How hard would the conversion be?
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How hard would the conversion be?
Quite hard, you need hasport engine mounting kit. No engine modification needed on chasis. If you got a Vti-r, it would be better solution to go turbo. People will say that the h22a will be too heavy and it wont handle too good. The handling should be fine, as long as you get some good coilovers.
Hasport engine mounts and avid driveshaft(good quality)
The engine height is not bad in ek civic. i think it will handle fine so all those rumors dont believe..haha
apparently the h22a only weights an extra 50kilos
IMO ill turbo vti-r, achieve more power and best bang for your buck upgrade power wise.
so is a h22a in a vtir a good option?
Turbo is good but u gotta count on thing playing up..
Since ive turboed my a few things have anoyed me, its still driveble but not thrashable atm..
If i was to doit again id go NA H22a or save up a bit more and K20a...
N/A less hassles
whats more power in a ek, b18cR or jdm h22a
same power, more torque in the h22a, also cheaper in replacement parts
i think the b18cR will suite better for the EK. its a small car so doesnt need a 2.2L engine. it revs higher than the h22a. and u can get more aftermarket parts and mods for the b series. plus the typeR gearbox will have shorter gears that will compensate for torque.
the reason hondas handle so well is because of light weight (and more importantly weight balance)
not only does an h22a + gearbox + larger clutch + larger driveshaft weigh substantially more than b16 or b18 components, but that weight is all in the same place
expect a h22a powered civic to be way too front heavy, go the b18c ftw
bullshit.....h22a motor and gearbox weighs and extra 50kilo, that f*(ken nothing. Just get decent coilover and you should be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by roar
JDM h22a has 220hp, this the same amount of power as the k20 JDM motor which also produces 220hp. The h22a has abit more torque. The type S motor came with a better gearbox then the old h22a, with better final drive and LSD.
IMO do the h22a, you'll rape most cars on the street esp b18c7 conversion.
i would have thought 50kilos would be quite significant tho
considering that civics are quite light cars
couple of weight reduction to the car and there's your 50kgs..
the h22a type S motor are a cheaper option if u want cheap power... but the conversion is not for the faint hearted.
gl with ur decision
how is a h22a type s motor a cheaper option?
it costs about $2K more than a normal h22a and has got onli 20hp more.
20hp more, better gearbox (LSD, final drive). Its pretty hard extracting 20hp more out of n/a. Better cams, higher compression and etc. KInda like comparing b18c2 and b18c7, big difference aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRH-22A
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Originally Posted by .::F[L]Y::.
the normal jdm h22a comes with the m2b4 gearbox which has LSD, and the same final drive as the type S gearbox.
and anyway, the H boxes are interchangable.
the type s has higher compression and has been ported. thats where the 20hp comes from. i still dont think its worth the extra $2k.
if anything, i'd be lookin for the h23a vtec that came out of the 97+ accord wagon.
I personally think the h22a would be a great option. I am toying with the idea as well for a future car. After you factor in mounts and drive shafts it’s fairly plug and play apart from cutting a hole for the shift cables. But get under there and visualise where you would be cutting, once you remove the feeling of “oh shit I don’t know what ill be cutting into” idea you will be a step closer to achieving this goal.
The effect of 50kg worth of weight is a bit of a wives tale as well. Imagine driving with a passenger, and take into account that feeling, they will probably be 80-90kg for the average male (Your already over the amount of weight added for that swap).
Also how many of you doing a swap will be redlining the car through a 3rd gear sweeper on a race track and really having to deal with weight transfer??
The torque and power will I think produce an awesome street car with far more point and shoot ability then the lower torque engines from Honda.
why not use your exisiting box with the h22 engine.
better ratios
thats what i did.
itr box + h22a
:thumbsup:
you need that h to b gearbox conversion kit right? heard even with that they need to cut stuff?
seems lyk most ppl think h22a is better
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Originally Posted by d15z1SUX
yes u do need the h2b kit and there's no cutting involved. just a bit of grinding.. haha
but stll its a cheaper option
why not a k20???
cause a k will cost 10 times as much as a h22a with a besries box
and u'll get the same power
hey i got a h22a in my car... no complaints. i love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phuong1987
anyone know the weight of a k20 plus gearbox vs h22a with gearbox?
im sure they are quite similar. forgot where i read... maybe it was in another thread that the k20 weighs about 50 more than a b series. so that would put the weight of k20 vs h22a quite equal?
correct me if im wrong
JDM H22A halfcut on a 94 prelude for 3000, is that cheap what else do i need for a conversion
my friends h23a accord rips~!
thats not a bad price aslong as u get wiring loom and ecu and drive shafts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phuong1987
other thing u need is mounts. HAsport mounts about 500bux + labour and ur set.
cutting a hole for the shift cables?
im pretty sure k20 engines and gear boxs are slightly lighter than b-seriesQuote:
Originally Posted by d15z1SUX
imo save and get a k series motor in ur car. in the long run it will be the better option. they respond to modification a lot better than the H and B series do.
if u are considering saving for a k-series then do some reading at k20a.org. should be enough info to convince u the wait and cash is worth it :cool:
thats pretty cheap. where u getting it from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phuong1987
h22... k20... depends on ur budget?
personally i'd go for the torque of the h and its cheaper
however... the k20 is of the new generation. it has more power and it has more moding potential. of course because its newer it will come at a higher price but if u got money then go for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraiye
h22a is good power for budget. its technology is getting a bit outdated though. even the corolla sportivo engine has nearly the same amount of kw whilst being only 1.8L.
And turbo it, as 1 of my friend did, over seas.
Fully built H22A type S stroke to 2.3, on EG civic hatch
Big massive turbo runs 10 sec passes on 1/4 mile .. :p
plainly rubber eating machine and love to snap the cv joints LOL
For budget wise, i prefer H22A then K20A which cost like 3X more then complete halfcut H22A. H22A is older technology though still proven made 220HP same with K20A. and lots of the H22A aftermarket parts had been proven and fully tested to improve performance.. 200 cc more would not hurt as may be in latter stage u wanna put turbo ??? LOL
as many says the older the person the wiser it gets :p
at the ends both have to loose powersteering, and AC which compensate your weight gain *50 kg as people say.
modification on the shift link are common on swap engine car.
H series ROCK ON !!
some jap auto place
not if u keep ur bseries boxQuote:
Originally Posted by 040501912