well hey all... iam just wondering overall which is better....?
and wats the differences?
btw iam a newbie....
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well hey all... iam just wondering overall which is better....?
and wats the differences?
btw iam a newbie....
Which is better? I assume you're referring to the EK...
I personally love the Coupe. The shape is awesome and when you modify them they look stunning. The hatch is nice too, they are perfect to mod for the race track, but the Coupe can handle just as well.
i reckon the coupe has a better exterior, looks nicer but the hatch's styling does grow on u, however the coupe's got ugly flat seats, hatch has much better ones and sunroof standard ;)
but as long as its got a b16a under the hood, thats all that matters :) heheheh
hehe help me on codes... i dont know them.... B16A?Quote:
Originally Posted by luzinit
Here's a start for info on the Civic models...
http://www.ozhonda.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4
There's been heaps of discussion on engine swaps etc on this forum so check other posts, lots of info already on B16A's etc...
Personally, even though i am a sedan boy myself, id go the hatch. I just dont like the styling of the coupe, its probably cuase i have seen way to many riced up ones round UNSW...
yeh iam prob going for the hatch....
but chu guys reckon VTi-R is the next best thing after Type-R rite?
wat about the SiR version? is that any different in performace wise 2 the VTi-R?
go the hatch! coupe just looks wrong if you keep it stock. at least a hatch looks alright stock.
SiR is a JDM tuned b16a. Bit of performance diff, probably only really comparable ona dyno though, it'd be a drivers race.
b16a is the dohc vtec engine that came in the vtirs, hatch n coupe.. hehe
sir is jap equivalent of the vtir hatch, except its got 170hp instead of 160hp due to fuel n emission regulations or something.. ?? not much diff tho, so yeh, in australia ur looking at only the civic vtir hatch 96-98 or civic vtir coupe 98 - 01 i think, or 98-00, something like that..
go the hatch!! going prices start abt 16k, where as the coupe u'll prolly find are about 20k +
i say coupe ;)
comon now thats an easy sway for the coupe. How many do you see of the vtir coupe compared to the hatch on the road. The hatch just looks like any other cxi or gli. The coupe has that sexy sleek look even when stock. and performance wise well both have an angry B16A under the hood. but in apperance wise. Go the coupe, if you can find one? :wink:
Yep thats right !Quote:
Originally Posted by NsX
Id prefer a hatch over a sedan or coupe anyday !
ntw, they race hatchies and not coupes too. :P
they both nice.. personally i wanted the coupe but bought the hatch.. (damn insurance, a 2 door hatch is cheap to insure but most insurers wont touch an under 25 with a coupe! dammit!)
:x
The coupe looks sleek and sexy.. the hatch can look mean if you want it to :P
personally coupe..
but hatch due to the weight difference if u wanna go faster
There is a 9kg weight difference between the EK hatch and the Coupe.
The hatch is lighter.
the hatch vs the coupe-> hatch lighter
after maket parts support more for hatch than the coupe -just a minor comment but overall after maket parts support - abudance nothing IMO, comes even close to civic after maket support
engine no same only that the hatch built in japan, coupe in america
both insurance are cheap, the vti-r as low as $650 for over 25, the coupe as high as $1400 for below 25 -full comprehensive
price of the coupe vs hatch...coupe more expensive because its a newer make. price for hatch vti-r as low as 12K(that the lowest that i have brokered) and highest that i ever brokered for mate is 16500-just last week (total stock with 5g worth of sound system and programable security system with audio parts left over)..highest i ever paid is for mine-amount undisclosed,(because it in preiumn color, no vtec during the years of ownership, full stock honda leather interior and fully stock and almost new condition, although it still smell new till today)
agility is in the hatch, if space is concern-> then go for coupe...whichever its up to your usage requirements.
The interior of the 97 VTir hatch is unique to that edition only and is not replicated in any other civic.
hummmmm...what interior are you talking abt??? if you are talking abt the aircon panel, then the ek9 panel is difference(the carbon fibre look)...otherwise the ek4(civic vti-r aircon panel) is the same across all ek civic family..does not matter its a 96, 97 or 98 or cxi, vti-r coupe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
unless you are talking abt the vti-r cluster (hatch and coupe) then the cluster is difference coz the coupe has a maintainence thingy while the hatch does not have. and there is also a variance of cluster for the eks family with some without the rpms meters... maybe here is something you might not know, even with the maintainence thingy on the vti-r coupe, it is still possible to use the CTR cluster in the vti-r coupe without any modification(i just install that last week on my mate's.
if you like to know the 3 most prized ek cluster are the spoon sports , the SIR and the CTR..in order of rarity and price...when i'm free i will take some pix of the 3 cluster
hummm..what else could interior be different, well most are of grey tone with black wall panel...except mine everything is black because of the leather interior including door panel....
pls enlighten me to which interior of the ek you are talking abt that is difference....the only thing i can tell you apart from that is that the civic vti-r hatch has four pillow(headrest) 2 front and 2 on the rear...this is the sure way for me to id a civic vti-r to any other civic hatch...coz some bloke can have the vti-r rims or he can be rice and put a vti-r sticker
but if you are talking abt ek9 and ek4 interior difference, then is the
CTR carpet, the red armrest of the door panel, the brake console , the handbrake lil latch knob, the a/c panel, the cluster, the extra holder on driver side a/c vent, the cup holder , gear knob and only the CTR-Rx has the red stiched shift boot and DC5/ s2000 pedal set without the deadrest pedal and the CTR interior is black except the roof carpet...and the front and rear seat is different to the ek4(civic vti-r).... however the ek4(civic vti-r) in japan has a SIR emblem sticker rather than the vti-r sticker .....and if you must know, the japan ek9 and ek4 has extra coin holding compartment located where your fuse panel.
well if you don't believe me, then when i get time in the summer, i will take pix of all the difference ...
hehe no not the differences of the EK9 to the VTiR.
The 97 VTiR hatch was on sale for a limited 16 months in Australia.
The interior includes, red/purple pattern seats with black headrests, red/purple arm rests, black carpet and dash.
The other VTiRs have a grey trim and different seats.
The dash panels are the same.
I know all 3 clusters you are on about :) did u buy the CTR cluster [genesis] was selling?
damn that spoon one is joy :P
oic..i learn something new today...maybe i will check the vti-r that my mate bought to see the pattern....coz i remember that the red/purple line do exist , the black headrest , black carpet and the dash is the same on his:o) and his a 96...nontheless, i will have a look but i learn something new:o)
the CTR cluster ..you mean from alex(genesis)..i didn't buy it, my mate did:o)
me i'm just like to collect cluster:o)
laffz...yeah, i just state the difference of the CTr and the ek4 coz i thought was a better comparision of difference..hehehe..
can you kindly tell your friend hes a bastard for me :)
I wanted that dash !!!!!!!!!!!!
Im buying the centre console.
So far i have got EK9. momo srs steering wheel, red carpet, red floormats, CF gauge bezel, titanium shifter, and the CF centre console is in progress.
My EK4 to EK9 conversion is getting there :P
all i need now are the red armrests and recaros :wink:
i was under the impression that civic coupes were assebmled in the states, along with the accord. or something like that.
and the hatch was from japan... or something like that. :oops:
something to consider/look up.
IMO a civic hatch is better looking than the coupe :) i wanted one at the time i bought my integra, but the fuxxing things were all selling for around 24k, i got my car for 18k.
bah, oh well.
Not sure about the accords, but the vti-r coupes were made in the USA (ppl doubt the build quality) and only release b/w around 1999-2000.
You pay a lot more for a coupe than a hatch here in Oz.
The coupe, definitely :D
Loads more sex appeal than the hatch. Having said that, the hatch can look hot as especially with a nice bodykit and rims.
well i think my lil purple one dont look to bad for a girlz car.. theres a pic in my profile i think? :)
it has the interior the other guys were talking about - black with red/purple patterns in the seats.
but if you want a really sexy coupe, get an intergra :lol:
THANKYOU..Quote:
Originally Posted by [[d a n n y
if you want to RICE - get the Coupe - Great for Audio and Bodykits.
if you want to RACE - get the Hatchy - Great for Track and Strip.
HB is lighter than coupe and also has a shorter wheelbase.
whoever said that the VTiR HB looks like any CXi is a moron.. there are as many GLi and VTi coupes than VTi-R coupes.. probably MORE !!
having said that.. IMO the coupe is a very beutiful car, but you might as well get an integra VTiR for the same price..
Vti-R coupes were only realease here for a few years. Not as long as th Gli and Vti coupes. Hence I'd say the vti-r coupes are rarer than the other coupes. Not to mention hatchbacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTEChnique
yes the hatch is lighter, also the hatch has the shorter wheel base too ibelieve, therefore all this adds to a a much better handler.
the coupe is alot rarer and is dead sexy though....
whats the specs like hp... etc etc on a normal VTi-R HB?
ou really need to read the civic model info sticky...
Civic Vti-R
Released: 1995-2000
Engine: 1.6L DOHC VTEC 16 valve 118kW
Weight:
Brakes: 4 wheel Anti Lockdisk brakes (ABS).
Features: Power windows,Mirrors, sunroof (not on coupe) and Central locking.
Models: 3 Door Hatch or 2 door coupe.
As stated it depends on wot u want the car for. The hatch has better race potential, but the coupe will be the better head turner. There was one on the cruise and it was a real stunner. I think it belonged to Civic Si.
yeh i just want... a VTi-R HB.... and tune it out 2 RACE
My input is that the hatch is the faster of the two (as some already mentioned) and i think it rarer than the coupe. Definately a better race car and you make it look like a CTR no worries :lol: . The coupe on the other hand a nicer looking car and has more space etc. There are loads of this model in the States.
yeap belongs to Civic Si, he's car reall turns some heads with those chromiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dream`R
That's my Civic. Thanks dude! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream`R
When I was in da process of purchasing a Civic Vti-R, I had a look at both da hatch and da coupe.
It all depends on ur needs as mention in other posts.
The coupe addressed my needs perfectly! :D
It's all been pretty much covered, but if I had the choice, I'd be going with the coupe based on it's stylish looks. The hatch is "nice" but just doesn't appeal the way the coupe does
Cheers
looks, i'd definitely take the coupe anyday...black one sitting on some brozne volks te37 is just sexy as....
hatchies are easier to park :P
sounds like a femme talking... :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
:mrgreen:
hahah any small car is easy to pick imo
lol - if I wanted easy to park, I'd go back to a first gen Civic - one guy on each corner and you can carry it into any parking spot :P
hehe i had to change the tempo a bit for a smile :)
How hard are they to find the vtir hatches down south... because i am in brisbane and i am trying to track one down (decided to go for this rather than put the b16A into my vti coupe) and it is dead on impossible. They are rare as anything up here.
mm i see about 2-3 each week in the trading post :) but then again, they are probably the same cars advertised.. hehe
when i went to buy mine 2 months ago, i had a look at 4 others! 3 private 1 dealer! got the dealer one, coz it was in the best condition outta the others.. stock as a rock too
lafffz...we shld get together someday for a ek4 to ek9 conversion photo shoot....good to know that you are almost done with everything....Quote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
i'm almost done now:o) just hanging around for an engine:o)
i'll keep a look out if there is cluster "cheap":o)
you want the red armrests...hum check with me during summer, you can have mine if i decided not to go with it..coz i still prefer my back leather ones... it good to know that there is another JDM whore like me<laffz>
if you are in sydney...you are probably seeing the wrong private ones...Quote:
Originally Posted by luzinit
coz i just brokered 2 in last 3 weeks. price is fantastic, condition is immaculate:o)
EK4 and EK9...
wats the differences in them 2?
as for interior, Civic Type R(btw whats ur name..*insert here*, pls) and myself(nic) have mentioned muchQuote:
Originally Posted by NsX
engine is b16a and b16b respective both 1.6L
if you are in melb then you will get more luck searching for an ek9. otherwise be contented to go for the civic vti-r(ek4)
this can go on forever with the difference....maybe you should do a search on WWW -some research....readings.
unless someone here indulge you with every single info.
in short....read this
http://www.quantum.net.au/ablew/Civic.htm
and see this
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/5111/
or click on the red arrow for the rest
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/G.../gallery2.html
some of the pix can be click for enlarge.
its has one of the most comprehensive pre and post facelift of the civic type r(ek9)
The coupe is so damn fine!!! Def. my choice
http://www.redbook.com.au/VehicleSea...rdkey=HOND99VA
that is pretty interesting...
a comparision of a 96 Vtir HB, 97 vti coupe and 99 vtir coupe..
but realy its all a matter of style.. 8)
Style would be all I'm judging on. But those linkls are interesting
cheers
Hey "Civic Type R", Sorry for that mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
But i must say it looks cool and it was in really good condition...heheheh
.....but yeh me and eknine will help you out
if we see any cheap ek9 clusters floating around.
Maybe we will meet up some time see your nice type r conversion aye!.
Sypherg, he is in perth bro!:o)
unless he drive down for my post conversion preview<laffz>
hehe yeah thanks heaps guys for the support ! much appreciated.
I trust you are talkin about the red armrests at the window controls. Yeah i'll take them off you if you dont want them. Thing is tho, i think they're glued to the vinyl trim door skin. :?:
but anyway, i will have all the items arrive in 2 weeks and will most likely start ripping out the whole interior then. However im still waiting on the red carpet so i cant start anything until that arrives .. :roll:
Ive done it before for a previous car show as i had my window smashed in by a nice brick one night. So i had to remove the seats for the vacuumer. Fun job tho :)
All i need now are red recaros. I have a contact in Japan who looks after me really well and he can get me a pair cheap. But ironically im also tryin to save for a property ive just bought...
but yeah, id love to catch up !
wat are the chances of me getting a Type-R civic.. in NSW?
and how much chu guys reckon dey retail around?
or if not imported and how much?
just do it like everyone else does...
import a Ek9 from Japan...either written off or whatever...
buy a Ek shell...and swap all teh bits from the JDM wreck into teh shell !
Voila ! Instant civic type R !!!
Thats how ANY exist to my knowledge in Australia...a legal loop hole that still can be acheived :P
Its basically a "legal number job"... :wink:
I will definitely go for the coupe, partly for its look as it comes with type r bodykit standard. The weight difference between h/b and coupe is actually not much, can check it at www.drive.com.au and u find that the coupe is lighter than h/b. And the h/b comes with sunroof standard which reduce it's chasis stiffness, but can't really be bother unless u drive on the track. One thing u might want to consider is aftermarket mod, which is harder to find for coupe as it does not exist in Japan.
Umm just for the record, NO civic Type R come in coupes or sedans :)
The only R's are:
Civic Type R - Hatch
Accord Type R - Coupe
Accord Euro R - Coupe
Integra Type R - Coupe
NSX Type R - sex on wheels
and the hatch is lighter than the coupe too. Only VTir have sunroof standard. :P
now thats a car worth getting your knickers in a twist about :P :P :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
dont forget the headlights and the most obvious change, the 5 lugsQuote:
Originally Posted by NsX
how much is an import gonna cost?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
maybe speak to one of the member by the name of genesis(he has one for sale)...not sure if he is in melb or bris.. otherwise the trading post is a good way to start..Quote:
Originally Posted by civ
My CTR arms rest comes with the whole vinyl panel(excluding door), including the switches and the door latch..
the armrest are not just glued..its riveted(plastic rivet)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
thats right ....but chance are its easier in Melb than in NSW..the R&rR here are just so much hassle..
and what Ben mentioned is right....built one(conversion) or the only way is to get a wreck one and redo...
IMO, i will never go for a wreck car(the integrity of the chassis). and conversion is good, slow and eay but just very expensive-if you used the civic vti-r..but the good thing is that you get a sunroof-that why i choose to go with that shell- lovely australia weather....
Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
hummm..the headlights really issn't much different if you are talking abt the 96-98 CTR(compared with the ek4)....however on the 99up, yes i agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by one more chance
tip: the headlight tint on the ek4(96 - 98) are only slight chromy than the CTR(slight dark tint..almost hard to see, unless you know what you are looking, the 99up is an obvious chromy dark)....to get it to look like the CTR, no work is necessary to redo that tint..it is hardly any different to a naked eye IMO(coz when i put them side by side, only 3/6 guys can tell me that its is different)
all you need is to snip of the bulb reflector, you can't reuse after...and the only way to take that out without opening the silicon seams around the headlight is to snip the reflector into piece and remove via the bulb housing... IMO, it not worth doing it but thats the cheapest and easiest way to go:o)
i'd go a hatch anyday!!
one and only........... 2000 em1 Civic VTiR coupe
the main difference (externally) is it's rear end...........it depends on what kinda shape ass you fancy...........hehehe
coupe is slow...toooo heavy ...
The Hatch has a better interior - superior to the coupe ;)
Well, apart from the seats, are there any diff. between the coupe and hatch, interior-wise? But one thing's for sure, the seats in the coupe are crap!! I can't believe they were fitted from the factory!! :shock:
ultimate hatch for me?
EG6 mate.. 8)
The hatch is full black interior with better seats and not some ugly grey velour as in the coupe.
Ultimate Hatch interior : the EK9 Civic Type R interior. ... my interior :D
dont go either....sedan for life ;)
buy a coupe and boost it :)
hey just a thought... with ppl complaining about how hard it is to find a EK4 for sale on the market... which of the 2 reasons u reckno are true
1. (my reasoning) they are too damn good and no one in their right minds should sell thiers
2. (some guy who works at honda, family friend): at 35,000 bucks on the road, as new, the ek4 didnt attrach enough rev heads who coulda spent the money on things such as a 200sx, Wrx, almost new hand ludes + tegs, MR2s, 2.2L celicas, etc etc...
basically he was going that 35k too much to spend on a HB that is differentiated outside with just a small spoiler and small rims from the base model, and had performance that coulda been topped by many in the same price range...
hey just a thought... with ppl complaining about how hard it is to find a EK4 for sale on the market... which of the 2 reasons u reckno are true
1. (my reasoning) they are too damn good and no one in their right minds should sell thiers
2. (some guy who works at honda, family friend): at 35,000 bucks on the road, as new, the ek4 didnt attrach enough rev heads who coulda spent the money on things such as a 200sx, Wrx, almost new hand ludes + tegs, MR2s, 2.2L celicas, etc etc...
basically he was going that 35k too much to spend on a HB that is differentiated outside with just a small spoiler and small rims from the base model, and had performance that coulda been topped by many in the same price range...
and mate get teh HB, b4 i bought i test drove both... the coupe definitely feels a bit heavier to lug around...
I'm glad i have kept my hatchie ;-)