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i really need more specific help as i dont want to make any mistakes...
I want to be a pre 96 civic non vtec and place a turbo on it, im comming from audi turbos so i dont know much about civics, what do i need to look for in an average civic so it could be easy to put a turbo on it.
Thats my first question, next would be, what do i need to make sure is included in a turbo kit, other then the turbo ofcoarse...
please help...
when you say a pre 96 civic what are you refering to? EG? fark even a 86 civic would be classified as 'pre 96'
as for the turbo have a SEARCH. see what other people have on other setups for similar cars/engines. most people with hi-po setups go thru some trial and error to get it running nice so have a read and u could save yourself some time and money.
another thing is your budget.... how much money u looking as spending on this project?
the other thing is what is your goal? are you after a power figure? a track time? a quarter mile time? as your goal will affect the mods to your car greatly.
my goal isnt anything big, just a turbo on a civic to be different :) and im not a big fan of vtec...
so i want a simple setup..
I just want a check list of items i need to buy before i know ive got it all... and which engines do i look for, 92-96 civics... is carby okay? is 1.5 ? 1.6?
what exactly... help would be good.. i know others have setups but i dont know anything about civics so thos engine codes dont make sense...
help?
u want fuel injected. carby is gonna be very hard to turbo i think?
dont do the carby thing. thats too funny. 1.6 variety would be perfect. 1.8 even better... but it all depends on your commitment though. more boost = more commitment.
and stop listening to rnb =P
do you have a civic already? or are you looking to buy one and turbo it? more information is needed
im looking to buy one to turbo up so i need u guys (who know about them) to help me choose one that i know has potential butttt i dont want to go all out i wanna keep it as cheap as possible (if possible) dont know what my exact budget is yet, we'll see how it comes ... also most civics (e.g glis) seem to be 1.5 injected is that ok?
honestly, do 95% of the research yourself as most people will lead you down the wrong path. Its your money not theirs so they can suggest anything. Have a look around on what ther people have used for engines in the same car. Then look at what size turbo to go for(trim). Then look at engine management.
Once you have an idea, write it all down. Check with others to be sure it will work. A few technicians on here can look over your stuff and tell you what you could achieve.
B series are probly the easiest to work with as many parts are interchangeable like looms, gearbox, mounts, clusters ect..
thanx heaps that helps, sounds like ur talking from experience... does the gear box have to be changed or just the below is needed to place a turbo in:
Turbo Manifold
Wastegate
Turbocharger
Downpipe
Exhaust System
Air Filter
Intercooler Pipe
Intercooler
Blow Off Valve
Vacuum Hose and 'T' Fittings
Oil Supply and Return Hoses
Boost Controller
Fuel and Engine Management
also im looking for a shop to do it for me, but MRT quoted 15,000 , i dont like them too much when it comes to price but i "hear" quality is good, anyone else out there do this?
is a haltech computer ne good?
and i cant seem to find any injected civics, there all carby? between that year
do some research yourself, then come back with a proposed setup, and people will be far more likely to help you.
there isnt a single thing relating to this topic that you wouldnt be able to find info on, on the net
i know but sometimes peoples opinions or experiences can help... but ur right i found those answers now this is what im thinking i need so far:
aside from parts ive been told i need someone to do the engine compression, is that the ecu that does that or someone themselves?
what is the point of a forum if someone asks something and is asked to use google instead? lol
i know u may know this but others dont
like i said what do you want as a result? how much power? how much money do you want to spend?
i you want a car with decent power figures that isnt gonna blow up on you you are realistically looking at popping open the engine.
if you just wanna run 5-6psi or something that may not be required.... only thing is you wanna do it on an old engine with most likely alot of kms.
as said before checkout other peoples setups and make some goals for what you want..... so far you are saying like you just want a turbo to be different
if you dont even know what you want and dont do research do u think ur gonna ge a good result from slapping together any random parts?
and no not all 92-96 civics are carby. an si would be a good base for boost (1.6 dohc non-vtec)
okay i want 6psi
only thing confusing me now is, engine work, changing compression, is that done when i chang the ecu or does that need to be done by a mechanic
this is the best adviceQuote:
Originally Posted by ACTI0NMAN-1
from some of your questions if I were you I'd find a good mechanic
man anyone on this forum actually answer questions? lol its cool ill figure it out this post has taught me nothing other then to use the internet?
if you gave detail in your original post you most likely would have received a straight up helpful answer straight up
you post a question without detail and expect answers without detail
saying you want 6psi means nothing. if you were running 6psi on a high compression engine, that could still be making serious power, whereas if you used low comp pistons, or one of those stupid thicker gaskets, you would be making a fair bit less power.Quote:
Originally Posted by rnbguy
its very obvious that you havent really done any research of your own yet.
i suggest spending some time reading, here, and on www.hondatech.com.au, or www.g2ic.com to get some ideas about turbo'd hondas.
then you can figure out a proposed setup, and people will be far more willing to give you their opinions and thoughts
yusss agreed with MR.will there is a million things to say but actually putting pen to paper is a differnt thing..do the search then hit action man goodluck with it all any probs feel free to PM me
Its not the people trying to answer, its the questions your asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by rnbguy
heres one for you: i want breakfast, what do i need?
Its imposible for anyone here to give a good well thought out answer to your question, when all you seem to want is "a turbo civic".
For you to be able to ask questions that will get decent responces you will have to take everyones advice and do some research of your own, till you can begin to ask worthwile questions. No one will spoon feed you here, we're not going to tell you what car to buy, what parts to get, work out the best turbo for your setup etc.etc.
As everyone else has said, do some reasearch, theres so much shit out there on the net for you to read, if you want a good result in the end youl want to know whats what for yourself. Its obvious to all of us that you have no idea of what your after any more than "a turbo civic" and you want us to tell you what to do and what youll need, without doing any research of your own.
You havnt even begun to tell us how much you want to spend, the main variable of all of this!
Do you want a reliable turbo setup thats cheap, letting performane take a back seat over cost and reliability?
Do you want to keep the engine internally stock? and just do whats necissary to run a turbo system reliably?
Are you happy to spend a few grand beefing the internals of the chosen engine to push out huge power figures, even before spending money on the turbo kit?
Do you want the best possible components, or are you happy to just have it work reliabily?
Do you wanna run with turbo nissans on the drag strip?
All we know so far is that you want a turbo civic, help us help you;)
The best thing to do would be for you to work out which car and engine you will be using first. Id say from assumptions, based on your questions, that you truly just want a civic that has a turbo, the finer details dont matter, ill also assume that your not looking for massive power figures.
If this is so your best bet would be to get a civic or somthing with an EFI d series engine.
Leave the engine completly internally stock, bolt on the turbo components (turbo, mani, wastegate, bov, dump pipe, IC etc etc), ecu, and get it tuned.
Theres no need to reduce the compression, for a small budget turbo kit, that wont be chasing huge power figures. The fact that your asking weather or not it is changed by the ecu, shows that you really need to spend a couple of weeks/months researching, learning and teaching yourself about turboing engines. i sugest reading as much as you can in the honda-tech.com forced induction forums. Unless your happy to hand your car and a wad of cash over to a mechanic, and let him do all the work, it would pay for you to try and gain some basic knowedge and understanding of boosting an engine.
Work out what engine you will be boosting, how much you want to spend and what sort of performance/power you want from the engine. Research what turbo setups others are using on your chosen engine, and what it cost them, what power limits there are when keeping the engine internally stock.
The thing is the more reading and research you do, the more you know/understand, the better your choices you will make, the better your setup will be for a given amount of money.
there u go, welcome back forum spirit, thats what i wanted to bring out, if someone asks they want breakfast, u ask em what they feel like, sweet or savery, etc...
u asked u want fast or average i answer gradually.. i will do more reading, i just want a turbo thats all, the cheapest way to put a turbo in old shape civic... not after anything more then just the turbo,, if i wanna boost it later i might, doubt it...
is it possible to put a turbo on a carby?
u might as well buy a turbo and masking tape it to ur engine...
theres ur turbo
you know nothing atm
*shaking his head*
I think its best that you buy a pre-built civic, theres a few turbo civics on carsales.com.au it will save you money, time and hassles. Ive spent months reading on how to boost your honda and im still learning everyday, so dont rush things, just sit back and read, not just from this forum.
Heres a good link http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=399
thanx heaps guys honestly this forums helped a heck of a lot now, both knowledge with civics and my patience :P
btw im gonna get a 92 si as they pump 96kw.... its got a bigger exhaust to help a bit with top end power ..
might turbo it later down the track when i get sick of its performance now...
nice mate, thats a good choice, while your driving it around and getting used to it, also do research on what you can do with it, whether NA or F/I so when the time comes and your sick of how its performing, you already have a knowledge base to start modding it on.
thanx appreciate the advise... the only thing im worried about is its a 92 model... claiming 85,000 km???
i know these are easy to alter so might speak to rta about it...
man you need to do some research before you post a thread like this !!
comming from audi turbo ? so you're goin from luxury euro with torque to a torque-less 1.6L non-vtec povvo-pack civic ?
you dont like vtec ??? do u know what vtec is ? basically a stock D16 non vtec plus LPT bolt-on Turbo kit = SIMILAR performance to a stock NA B16 swap.. so your "i dont like vtec' statement is already out the window.
having said THAT..
EG "Si" is your best option if you "dont like vtec" (LMFAO!!) as it's ~120 HP (SOHC VTEC "VTi" is ~125HP) which is the most powerfull standard non-vtec motor found in 91-94 EG civics.
if you MUST stay non-VTEC and you want turbo.. I'd suggest getting an EG civic (Si,GLi,VTi) and swapping in a B18B (DOHC NON-VTEC) then adding a hairdryer.. but having a turbo honda isnt exactly "different" hahaha.
rightt got ya..
so back to what i was saying, im kinda worried about how low those kms are i hope that vcheck site helps out... what are common issues with these cars i should keep an eye out for
jks ill keep it in mind, im not a fan of vtec, just turbo.. not bcuz of power but i just like em, past 2 cars have been turbo and im not over it... not dissin vtec its cool dood.
neways do i have to do an engine swap, can i just slam a turbo onto current engine...
you can put a turbo on any combustion engine.
as long as it requries air and fuel it can be done.
but whether or not its good depends on what you buy.
if you're after bargain stuff.
TD04 from a WRX, find a cheap manifold, use a chipped ecu. fuel injection is a must, and you dont have to do an engine swap if your D series motor is Fuel Injected.
The boys suggested the right stuff find an EGsi get used to that, and then buy your parts and stuff.
sweet okay well im looking into this si... its done up nicely ill post pics when i buy it, if u guys do cruises i dont mind joining in (for those who already wanna st*b me heres ur chance) jks
ill keep u guys posted...
but before i let this go, what should i keep my eyes peeled for (problems with car)?
Does it have a :honda: on the bonet?
There's your first problem.
You need a http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...://www.nissan-
/bait
where are u located?
my mate has an EG SOHC VTEC TURBO car going up for sale in a bout 2months. its VERY neat and well looked after if ur interested?
ill go anywhere in australia, but trust me he'll be asking a price which would work out cheaper if i do with a private mechanic / relative...
is it the red sedan, im after a hatch to be honest... im in sydney
okay he turned out to be a fraud... kms where clicked back 100,000 :(
i dont think i wanna report him to cops i said i would, his packing it but thats enough for now i guess...
what if i get a gli, and just swap engine?
nah dont get gli, if you can afford vti/si, because you gotta get rear disc brakes. unless you have a set of disc brakes already.
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeRV
yeah youll want rear disk brakes for sure!
keep in mind though that you car do a rear disk conversion for no more than $500 easily. Might be cheaper going for a gli and doing the brake conversion yourself, instead of the vti/si option.
Just somthing to think about;)
thats a million dollar advise well actually $500 or less :)
but yeah ill keep it it in mind when im searching u guys are great... ta
i'm sure you can grab disks from a da9 as these are a few wrecks on here at the moment
man just when i want a civic the prices go up due to them being fuel economical :(
most EG's are over priced and over rated lol
im starting to see it, kinda getting over doing one up now, they look a little old... looking into the 96+ shape... as far as i know power wise its
GLI
CXI
EK
VTI
in that order
EK is the type of Civic
If you want a good one you want the EK VTi-R with the B16A motor.
Otherwise you'll end up with a D series motor. Stay away from CVT if you want to turbo.
EK's look better in my opinion.
okay gonna buy an EK tonight hopefully, nething i should look out for? its a 96
okay i take back what i said about vtec...
my mate took me for a spin in his 93 civic which was a carby... and now has a b18... man i want one,
his gonna try get me a b16 or b18 for around $1500 now i just gotta find a carby
no... say no to carbies. less power than a fuel injected engine in standard form. it also will be a bother if you want to change to a vtec engine as u will have to change fuel system or something.
okay ive actually gone and bought myself an ek 96 lol... couldnt do the older shape... now looking for a bolt on kit, i seen a few go for 1g mark , now looking at a cheap ecu solution (not after hecticmications just runs the turbo )
great you found a civic you like but
do you even know what you want? turbo or vtec?
how much do you want to spend?
what model ''EK 96" is it? CXI, GLI, VTi-R?
maybe you should of made up your mind b4 purchasing the car.
Just buy a Turbo Kit, if you want to go the hard yards and "JDM yO" get someone to bring you back a Top Fuel Bolt on Kit LMFAO... That'll give you a few ponies and a massive dent in ya pocket :pQuote:
Originally Posted by rnbguy
Being more serious, maybe look into using a T28BB off a SR then have custom work to have it bolt onto ya engine. There will be some around for sure with many of the T28BB being dumped for bigger turbochargers. That maybe an option, just an idea though lol...
do you mean just the T28BB turbo or the whole kit?
Nah nah, the T28BB is the name actual Turbine and its off from what I know at least the Silvia S15. The kit I doubt there is a premade one so you'll need custom fabrication for it to fit your car. The good news is sometimes this is cheaper than getting a kit from JP and works just as good. You'll need to talk to workships etc to see what they can do and recommend.
So you want a cheap turbo honda eh? (And it sounds as if your keen to tinker so...)
Go homemade! www.homemadeturbo.com
They're e-thugs most of the time but there's some good tech in there (once you learn to read past the slander & pr0n)
man I woulda sujested CRX there the best to turbo these days, bolt right on no ECU mod needed for ony 5 PSI buy an EBAY kit if you want cheap but you may need to reweld the turbine and the manifold