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Which has the most potential on track and the most tuning parts options etc.
I'll be putting in a K20 or K24 for motor and welded in rollcage.
Cant decide between the 2 so I need OzHonda help.
Im very serious about the civic race car and my current DC5R is going up for sale.
Budget would be 15-20K with K Series Swap.
EG, lighter.
EG is lighter. But the EK has a better chassis.
im sure with all the after market bars and that a EG chassis can be a track monster
he's welding in a roll cage toooo!
but personally i'd go for a ek just because eg has been done to death
eg cheaper too
eg or ek.... why no ef or ed crx
hard to fit the K20-24 in a CRX/ED Civic
mmm would probally go the EG even tho i prefer the EK shape.
with the welded cage it will negate any chassis flex you would have with a EG-EK.
The only reason to go EK would be having a newer chassis that might not flex as much(ie a 92 chassis vs a 01 chassis not updated chassis design)
but that will make only very slight differences.
and EG chassis would be much cheeper and you could spend that money refreshing the EG (ie re tack welding all the joins and putting urethane in the chassis rails)
if you weren't going k20-24 id probably say go buy a EK4 VTI-R and just drop a worked b20 block in it.
not hard. just not common in aus. same shit as you go through with eg pretty much need to purchace mounts and shit and get someone to install. and if you can find a ef crx chasis you have a stiffer chasis than an eg.Quote:
Originally Posted by CTR Coupe
The EG chassis is weak and moves like a mofo (well my Si did). Get an EK :)
I'd suggest the EK.
the EG is getting too old and if you're going to put out that much power, then the EG is going to be insufficent i would feel.
EG will save you money. Everything for an eg is generally cheaper and easier to find since it shares many things with DC2's. EK will cost more, parts will cost more and a tad harder to find. EG is also lighter then the EK.
But end of the day, just go with the one you like more! I would choose an EK myself.
thinking of some similar myself to replace my old BMW 2002 group Nc racecar actually...
For me it's EG as I really love that organic shape and it's lightness.
With a homologated roll cage welded in with pick up points over the suspension towers and selective seam welding, the EG will no longer be flex city.
The EK4/9 with airbags and ABS would be better for tarmac rallies. With changeable conditions and unforeseen hazards the extra safety net won't go astray. The EK also looks more contemporary thus more attractive proposition for potential sponsors.
The EF CRX, with its shorter wheelbase than the EG and EK would be great for Autokhanas type events would be too twitchy for my liking for tarmac rallies. On the track that won't be a problem though.
For me personally I would either do up an EG or get an EP3 ( private import from HK myself or from an importer in aus ) and strip down+cage+engine mods+chassis mods.
EK>EG for track.
IM sure you can get a EK as light aas a EG once its totally stripped. For example Proconcept Race car Ek weighs 850kg without driver.
EG FTW...
If you gonig to build a race car, u are gonig to reinforce the chasis and change all the bushing.
dont know why ppl say EK is newer blah blah... same shit, everything is going to get changed..
EK's look like a big rice bubble anyways.
To OP... can I ask what catagory you are planning on running in?
Not 100% percent sure yet. But I will be entering in pro racing with the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPEEDCORE
We all know when it comes to body rigidity that after stripping the car then welding in a cage and polyurethane filling flex isnt going to be an issue.
If the EK can go as light as an EG civic then its a very good option for me.
Keep the comments coming guys its very helpful. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I reckon EG.
I think you could build up an EG / EK to what your asking for similar costs.
I say go with your preffered option.
I reckon EK will give you more confident and enjoyment on race track (circuit) more than the 100kg benfit that can give from EG!
Except you go for drag racing!
OK now WTF do you mean by pro racing?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by DC5TYPER
A little advice if I may.... look into what race series you are wanting to race in before deciding on a car and engine combination. Until you figure this out, your just wasting time by speculating on how you want to prep a car.
Thats pretty good advise.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPEEDCORE
to: DC5TYPER
Have you participated in any such competitive speed events before? Maybe you should just take your current car as is and participate in events such as Hill climbs and supersprints first...otherwise, there's always IPRA...
In Australia, with a Honda Civic EG or EK, you're looking at:
(1) Series Production Car, or
(2) Improved Production Cars
The rules for each of these racing series are in the CAMS website under CAMS MANUAL. It tells you what you can do to the car and as such what you can't.
http://www.cams.com.au/
..and where have you been?Quote:
Originally Posted by tank
Yup... good old 3J :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tank
If we take IPR even at state level.... with a K inside, the dreaded LM weight penalties are a reality. And with a K24.... going up against 13Bs with close to what? 300 at the wheels..... would be interesting to say the least.
Improved Production 3J with 2000cc Motor has a Race weight requirement of 1045kg Minimum :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn:
Cant seem to find a Series that can run this sort of car.
Car looks like its going to be for club event.
My brother is currently building an EG track car, but with a b16 though, to be able to compete.
The reason for choosing it is that the cage should eliminate most of the weaknesses of the chassis' rigidity and second is its lightness. Also I believe a lot of the parts suited for DC2 can be used for EG like typer quick rack. However parts in general wont be a problem for ek/eg.
Have you chosen which path you're taking?
Good luck and have fun scraping the tar off the lucky civic shell =D
Im currently going to budget on another ek just for track purposes, let me know how you guys go with the build like prices and stuff
EK would be better. EG chassis already abit old, rust and too much strain on the body, make it even weaker.
TO Refresh the car will cost more than an EK which have a younger age.
Im leaning towars EK but I had a EJ Coupe before and had trouble with legs hitting sterring wheel. Im 6 foot and seating position is better in a Eg but if i can over come the issue with the EK then its a most like.
Group 3J in Production car cup K20 can run miminum weight of 1025kg. DC2 would be better option for that series.
Between EG-EK ill be deciding in the factors if wheelbase, total track, minimum weight, Weight distribution, etc. I know EG with k20 is animal of a mix for drag times cos of weight, but ive seen alot of EK9s doing very well on tracks then EG civics.
Haha thats a funny statement.. if u are gonig to build a track car u are going to reinforce the chasis anywayz... all bushing would be change to siffen it up..im pretty sure you wouldnt leave it as it and track it... if so of course an EK would be better... but we are talking abt a specific race car.Quote:
Originally Posted by 040501912
Why not an EK Sedan just for kicks
drew due to the added weight!
deffinatly go the EG!!!!
watch videos and EG'S OWN!!!!!
not many ek's used for full on racing. personally i would choose the eg for various reasons.
Not really the EK sedan models can be had 1020kg stock
Which is pretty light, especially by the time you rip out all the interior and stuff, and the chassis strength isn't really going to be an issue once the roll cage is in
ek hatch, look at the spoon civic, ek9 that revs till 10krpm
They wouldn't build a race car like that without reason.
Watched a best motoring vid with a b20 ek9 engine, it was as fast as a s2000 round the track, something to think about.
i love EG's. But EK's are meant to have a better suspension setup. A roll cage in an EG wont address this issue.
EK's look better than EG's
Is that not reason enough?
i think if you agree with that, EK, if not EG. That's pretty much it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
Get EK. the EG is too round. EK looks tough with a kit.
this is nothing to do with the LOOK of the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
IMO the EG is older+ cheaper for parts , and more options for suspension / swaybars etc. so its the better option for track correcto ? :wave:Quote:
Which has the most potential on track and the most tuning parts options etc.
[quote=Limbo;1098691]ek hatch, look at the spoon civic, ek9 that revs till 10krpm
They wouldn't build a race car like that without reason.
Watched a best motoring vid with a b20 ek9 engine, it was as fast as a s2000 round the track, something to think about.[/quote
I remember watching that Video clip and yes a fully worked ek chasis with power from a work 2L engine will go pretty good but it depends on the class that guy is going into aswell.
You need to look fast even when you're going slow to screw with the oppositions mindQuote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
in terms of wheel base, i would 100% go to a EG Sedan. Especially if you need that little bit more weight for a certain class. Longer wheelbase can be a better handling car in most cases. Short wheelbase = more tempromental.
he's talking about the whole package... not only the engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
You can make an EG rev to 11,000rpm if you want. Just slap in a well built engine :p
i would use EG base if i was to build a track car..
its lighter + good chassis...
Another possiblity is to import an ex race car from places like China and Malaysia.
In Zhuhai, China they used have the under 1600cc group N class for the EGs and Eks. That class is now obsolete and so are the cars. Now they've a class called N2000 with DC5Rs.
I can't imagine they will be that $$$, and they are all proven race ready cars. Obviously some are better prepped and better shape than others. With the age of the EGs they would be a lot more bashed up than the EKs.
You can import one of those as a race car, provided you have a full CAMs competition lic ( or get some who has to apply for permission to import ). All those cars have FIA papers to prove it's an existing race car so there won't be any problem getting the import permit. Bear in mind the car can never be allowed to be licensed as a road car in Aust.
When in was in HK at a Honda wrecker who specialises in DC5R and K20As, they told me they can sell me a near newly put together DC5R with FIA cage, fully stripped, seam welded, JDM K20A drivetrain, 2 sets of wheels and race exhaust that has completed 4-5 races with FIA papers for about $28-30K AUD which I thought was very reasonable. Cost of doing the same here with the stripping, seam welding, donar car shell, cage and paint is enormus; let alone the mechanicals. With freight and duty/GST you're looking at around $40-45K, all you need then is a car trailer to tow it to events.
Or a new Mugen N2000 DC5R is aval brand new ex Japan in HK for about $80K, used one around $50-60K for a 1 yr old car.
Eg Ftw !!!!