Power Of the Dseries Turbo!! - can you handel it?! - Check it out!

Hey guys

Being a big turbo dseries fan, i find it dissapointing that not many people on here explore the possibilites of the turbo Dseries engine. It is unfortunate of this due to lack of knowledge and realisation of the potiential!

Due to being involved in far to many threds in the past in regards to the idea of turbochargeing a dseries engine to be "Futile", "waste of money" "not good value" or the typical "you will never outrun a Bseries" Decided to post a few links as i have been useing this site alot... and a very very good site it is...

www.turbod16.com

Just want to make this clear, no im not looking for fights/arguments/flamers... however i am certain these 1 or 2 specific people will no doubt post some useless negative post here anyway.

Also no im not trying to convert people away from their beloved b's h's and k's just want to show people who are wanting some more power for their honda that there is a good safe and reliable route down the turbo d path

no bullshit/excuses etc.... just some dyno charts with their basic builds and a few very very cool and inspiring movies!!!

ps... i think there is one of a turbo d16z6 (same as ozzy d16y1 sohc vtec) with a bolt on greddy kit outrunning a k20a in an eg hatch with quad throttles etc etc..... lots of good viewing here everyone will appreciate !

would be nice for a bit of recognition for the underdog Dseries relative and its potential!

all good guys enjoy!

TurboD16.com -----> THE MOVIE!
http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=10521

Turbo Dseries Vids
http://www.turbod16.com/viewforum.ph...2cef10cb1f5e06

Turbo Dseries Rides
http://www.turbod16.com/viewforum.php?f=4

Top Turbo Dseries Hp Figures
http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=4140

Top Turbo Dseries 1/4 Times !
http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=13384

Turbo Dseries Engine Bay Shots!
http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=29766&start=0

SEMI BUILT - Non-vtec Turbo D run low 12's in oz! (respect dan / beast civic)
Page 30

Ek Civic Hatch, Stock D16y4 + AVO turbo kit! OZ BUILT
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpos...72&postcount=5

WEQ - Eg Civic Sedan, D16y1 + Bolt on Greddy Kit!
Dyno Sheet - Page 16
Videos (civic vs s2k & Civic vs Dc2R) - http://weq.hondatech.com.au/turbo/Vid/

Budget Basic Easy turbo setups - AND THEY WORK!
http://www.homemadeturbo.com/turbo_projects/

General Good Other webpages
www.d-series.org
www.homemadeturbo.com


THIS THRED IS NOT AIMING TO DISCUSS WHY A D-SERIES TURBO IS BETTER THEN ANY OTHER ENGINE OR MODIFYING PATH! IT IS TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL OF DSERIES TURBO ENGINE SETUPS !!!!!!

Some good vids, ect there, turbod16 is a grat site, certainly opens ur eyes

Im tempted to turbo my D16a, hmmmmm...

Might do some reading tonight.

Just wondering, Would these turbo kits apply to the D17A2's too? (My car is a 2005 Civic hatch Vi)

heres the engine bay shots link

http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=29766&start=0

its gud know the potentials of d-series as well..impressed to see some pple on the forum building turbod ones. gud work sexc86

anyways i think i will stick to my k-series for now :)

already on it! (53ERX) wealth of information on there.. and lots of hard to source parts also. (and cheap forged rods/pistons!)

the turbod16 vid is a good example of a d series turbo with stock internals, its not even a very high powered setup but as u can see it goes hard!

i am defs turboing my EJ8 ...in time :) with the help of aza hopefully

d series turbos go hard i should know ive got 1 in d house hold onli sitting on 5 psi so good but so much effort 2 hav it reving like a b series turbo but much worth the effort wen u say nah its onli a d series single cam:P:P

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Originally Posted by hinezz

its gud know the potentials of d-series as well..impressed to see some pple on the forum building turbod ones. gud work sexc86

anyways i think i will stick to my k-series for now :)

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hehe yeh you could be like the guy on the video that goes down to a turbo d!

yeh im with you mate.. ive heard and seen a few worked D16's pulling massive amounts of power from stock internals and forged. the only thing is tho.. alota d series engines tend to be smokey if not maintained. and the only reason i went turbo with be b16 is cos it was already there:cool:

hmmm here is the deal

if you maintain and look after a dseries turbo just as well as a dohc vtec.. i mean good fuel, good oil and regular changes, warm up warm down etc etc.. your dseries turbo will last just as long and go just as hard as your dohc vtec...

however!

if you treat your dseries turbo like shit and a dohc vtec like shit, crap fuel and oil, no serviceing, no warm up/down time, thrashing the car out of its limits... the dseries turbo wouldnt last as long as the dohc... ie it would fail quicker

IMO!

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Originally Posted by Sexc86

hehe yeh you could be like the guy on the video that goes down to a turbo d!

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dont think so :p k-series FTW:thumbsup:

if you watch that video of the d turbo vs the k20 hatch, you will notice that the k20 hatch won.. and it also miss shifted near the end of the race.

but in saying that yes the d series can make good amounts of power with a good amount of money.

Guys

If I lived in the US I would have Turboed my D16Y1 long ago but unfortunately we live in Oz

Turboing costs maybe twice as much if not more in Oz

I’d start planning if I new some trustworthy guys in the US lol

Still, if you cost it like this it’s still a good option

B16A swap = $3,000 to $4,000 = 118:KW (158:HP) at the fly witch is roughly 120:HP @ the wheels

D16Y Boosted = $3,000 (Greddy Kit) + $1000 install = round 160:HP @ the wheels

So you end up with 40:HP more for about the same price :D

LukeZen

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Originally Posted by Lukezen27

B16A swap = $3,000 to $4,000 = 118:KW (158:HP) at the fly witch is roughly 120:HP @ the wheels

D16Y Boosted = $3,000 (Greddy Kit) + $1000 install = round 160:HP @ the wheels

So you end up with 40:HP more for about the same price :D
LukeZen

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That's true, but it also depends on how far you want to go with each setup. a simple turbo kit added to any engine is going to give you more power, but what is the car going to be used for?

I pretty much guarantee if you chucked some decent head work at the B16, it would kill a Turbo-D, not necessarily in total power output, but in it's power delivery.

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Originally Posted by Waggy

That's true, but it also depends on how far you want to go with each setup. a simple turbo kit added to any engine is going to give you more power, but what is the car going to be used for?

I pretty much guarantee if you chucked some decent head work at the B16, it would kill a Turbo-D, not necessarily in total power output, but in it's power delivery.

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its all about budget though isnt it..... thats what the argument is all about a 4k bseries conversion vs a 4k turbo conversion on a d... d is gonna out perform....

ok now lets say do you pnp on your bseries atleast 1k... so your bseries is gonna cost you 5k... so now you compare it to a 5k turbo converion - with that extra 1k you spent on your pnp you could put it towards something extra on your D. Such as forged pistons and rods, ARP head studs, Valve Train etc etc and then it as well is gonna make more power and still be in the clear... IMO


Fishman - yeh no comment, feel sorry for you, what you post just prooves your Intelligence

got nothin else to say... look at the links.. evidence is right there stareing everyone in the face.. dont believe it sign up there and give you 2c

d series ftw! mines making 159fwkw on 1bar
fun but its mainly for straight line performance.

alot of members on here aint into 1/4 mile, they like to have their car track. where response low end power and VTEC is the sh*t!

end of the day, d series motors are the older motors of Honda technology :>

wow man thats awsome (Y)

end of day not trying to say other engines dont perform or dont perform as well.. purpose of this thred is to show people what the capabilities are by what people have done elsewhere.....

As there have been alot of threds lately like... "I some better performance what should i go with?"... and the response on ozhonda is alwayes 1 sided as not many people know better... or they make judgements without haveing any experience or doing any research

i've just never seen a quick turbo D.

it also depends on what sorta driving you wanna do. If you wanna drive in the hills then your turbo is probably gonne be useless cause you won't have the time to build boost between corners where as an NA setup is gonna have the same power delivery no matter what the situation is.

probably because really there arnt that many getting around in oz... but if you wanna see some quick ones just have a look through those links.. thats what they are there for and really there isnt much special about them, also of basic setups and alot of all out setups too

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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

i've just never seen a quick turbo D.

it also depends on what sorta driving you wanna do. If you wanna drive in the hills then your turbo is probably gonne be useless cause you won't have the time to build boost between corners where as an NA setup is gonna have the same power delivery no matter what the situation is.

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all i can say is not that im able to boost mine.... i have driven a fast d series. **** im in love. dyno and 1/4 times coming soon. and remember mine is still stock internals, go on turbod16 and theres shit loads of fast d's.

yes b series and k series would be faster turboed. but value for money is defantly there. mmm im in love :D

yeah but thats all in the US.

I wanna see something impressive in oz....so far i'm yet to see anything... :P

Also, you'd need to compare a turbo D to a B series with an Intake Headers and Exhaust because the Turbo version won't be runnin a restrictive intake or exhaust like the stock setup.

Of course an engine with a 2.5 inch exhaust is gonna perform better then one that has a stock exhaust.

Yep all in the US. Yet to see anything impressive here on a low budget. No doubt on a decent budget it's gonna be fast.

Can't wait to see aza's car run down the strip and come back with a crappy timeslip. Just so i can laugh and rub it in more. Make sure you post when you're goin so some members here can come along and make sure you don't make shit up, lol.

Fishman, you're a worry man lol. You say some smart shit and you say some stupid shit lol. :thumbsup: :cool:

aza: are you goin down the spit today??

I might be goin down. If ya see me park up man i'd love to see ya car cause the pics haven't been the best quality. :thumbsup:

Just finishing up my wire tuck on the drivers side if ya wanna have a look. :cool:

whats the difference between the us and oz.... engines are the same parts are the same... if someone builds an identicle engine in oz to someone in the us it potentially can make the same power...

This thred isnt about who has what or A vs B its about showing the potential of what the path has to offer... maybe you should READ it a bit more carefully

Of course budget will be higher, but we live in australia its gonna be higher for any path you choose to go down.

Azza's car will do good times, however im sure you ALL know its all in the techniquue and the driver to get the best out of your car... you cant just go there on your first run and get your best time... practise makes perfect...

his car is capable of a high 13 or low 14, weather he does it on his first few runs is irrevelent.... i got no probs going out there and shooting some vids of him doing some runs... (the proper way in as is complete street condition with street tyres... not with everything stripped out)

If a car in the USA with the same setup as azz's can run a 13 why cant it be done here? whats the difference? and they do it on LOWER octain fuel! all their pump fuel is like a max of 94 octain (correct if wrong)

i'm not saying its not possible.

i'm just saying that the cars in the US shit all over everything we've got in aus. except for a small handfull of rides (3 - 4 cars). You can hijack anyones shopping list and build a car but if the quality is shit then theres no way you can compare the two and say that car A is as good as car B cause its got the same shit. I'd rather see a mild car that is A+++ quality then a car that is wild but is a F- in the workmanship deparment.

If you wanna talk about the potential of the path then you need to compare it to other paths in order to prove its worthyness. Theres no getting around that.

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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

it also depends on what sorta driving you wanna do. If you wanna drive in the hills then your turbo is probably gonne be useless cause you won't have the time to build boost between corners where as an NA setup is gonna have the same power delivery no matter what the situation is.

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i disagree a turbo d can be built pretty much to any application, if you are more into your mountain runs or circuit raceing then you just need to design your engine and turbosetup accordingly... ie build your setup with a small ball bearing turbo, use smaller intake plumbing, smaller cooler etc etc... things like this to give you near instant boost response... also if you wanted to go further with the build things like high compression forged pistons to give you more power off boost...

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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

i'm just saying that the cars in the US shit all over everything we've got in aus. except for a small handfull of rides (3 - 4 cars). You can hijack anyones shopping list and build a car but if the quality is shit then theres no way you can compare the two and say that car A is as good as car B cause its got the same shit. I'd rather see a mild car that is A+++ quality then a car that is wild but is a F- in the workmanship deparment.

If you wanna talk about the potential of the path then you need to compare it to other paths in order to prove its worthyness. Theres no getting around that.

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Yeh i realise that but end of the day, they still use the same engines, the same parts and same tuneing hardwear/softwear that we have access too as well. Yes the Usa market is way larger but doesnt mean ours have anyless potential.

I disagree ...they way i see it if there is a bone stock ek civic with a d16 in australia and another bone stock Ek civic with a D16 in the usa, you buy the exact same greddy / AVO / Fullrace for both... imo they have the exact same potential.

When you talk about quality i think you mean more about machineing to some extent as yes deffinately would be more experience by people in the usa.

As for compareing it to other paths you cant compare A (engine conversion with blah blah blah mods) vs B (turbo conversion with blah blah blah) you can only do it by budget....

eg

Path A Engine Conversion A - Engine conversion will cost me $4000 and will give me Xwhp
Path B Turbo Setup A - If i use $4000 towards a turbo conversion setup Xwhp

If the turbo conversion weighs up better for $/HP then some might say... ohhh but turbo setup A wont be as good as engine conversion B which costs $6000.00 So then you have to go back and go

Path A Engine Conversion B - - Engine conversion will cost me $6000 and will give me Xwhp
Path B Turbo Setup B - If i use $6000 towards a turbo conversion Xwhp

so on and so forth

In the end it all comes down to the fact that I’m VERY VERY jealous of the Yanks and there cheap-ass parts :o


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I had 4K saved for my turbo setup but I when to South Africa to see the big animals instead :thumbsup:

fish man i thought the hole idea of this forum was to be HONDA enthusiast's not to bad mouth them just thought id make a point :) lol whats a 1-2 second differance any way ... 6,000 buks for 1 -2 extra seconds for a street car .... i think i can learn to live with a D turbo over a stock B16 any day and thats only because we own D16s... i dont think any one here is argueing the fact that if you own a B you would change it to a D .... if you dont like Ds stuff dont read it maybe?...

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Originally Posted by hondavti25

fish man i thought the hole idea of this forum was to be HONDA enthusiast's not to bad mouth them just thought id make a point :) lol whats a 1-2 second differance any way ... 6,000 buks for 1 -2 extra seconds for a street car .... i think i can learn to live with a D turbo over a stock B16 any day and thats only because we own D16s... i dont think any one here is argueing the fact that if you own a B you would change it to a D .... if you dont like Ds stuff dont read it maybe?...

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Guys

Please stop picking on people with disability's

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PS
fish man Dyno Davids D16Y8 N/A will destroy your B16 :)

fishman wheres ur time slips?

who are u anyway? **** dude get a life.

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Originally Posted by Lukezen27

Guys

Please stop picking on people with disability's
:eek:
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fish man Dyno Davids D16Y8 N/A will destroy your B16 :)

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yeah guys with d-series, should really stop picking on them, lmao

And who is Dyno David? Stooge.

Sexc86, you're a complete idiot, the whole point that JasonGilmore is trying to make is just cause US have done some things doesn't mean it's gonna happen here. We've seen it a thousand times. I know a hand full of Turbo D-series, and sad reality is they all run 14's like yourself.

Aza, i know a few people that have seen your car. They just say it's a joke, and you're a clown that knows close to nothing about it. And y do i need a timeslip? I ain't sitting around talking my car up, i know the difference between reading what's online and what's real. My stockish teg does high 14's nothing to be proud of.

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Originally Posted by hondavti25

lol whats a 1-2 second differance any..

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now you're a complete idiot, if that's what you think. y bother modiflying cars, just shows how much of a dumb ass you are.

1 - 2 seconds is the difference between a fast car and a car like aza'a and sexc86 :wave:

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Originally Posted by fishman

And who is Dyno David? Stooge.

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If you don't know then you DONT KNOW!

Nuff said

LukeZen

errr. isnt it dynodave ?

ok thats strange, noone off here has seen my car since its been running right..... haha dick weed. o well nice try at a dig anyway. if u acturlly did read u would no the car has only been running as it should since tuesday, and if u read my thread it was the first conversion i have ever done and first engine i have turboed and if u take that into account then imo its a pretty dam good effort. and as u just said ur integra is nothing to boast about so u sit back and diss cars that have got something done to it and sit there posing with a picture of a nice honda so everyone thinks thats what drive. o well mate honestly i dont care what anyone on here thinks of me or of d's. put up or shut up. ps this thread isnt meant to be a bitch fight, the prove of the POTENTIAL of a d series is all on the sites we have linked to. there are NO high powered d's in aus really. but that doesnt mean they don't exsist. but as we all no hondas dont need massive amounts of power to get some nice street times. but still for what they are and they money that goes into them..... d series is a cheap way to give ur car a kick and make it fun to drive and reliable if done right.

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Originally Posted by fishman

now you're a complete idiot, if that's what you think. y bother modiflying cars, just shows how much of a dumb ass you are.

1 - 2 seconds is the difference between a fast car and a car like aza'a and sexc86 :wave:

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ps why do u keep saying mine and sexc are the same. he has a basic d15 turbo currently (thats what the 14.5 1/4 time is from and thats in a full street trim SHOW CAR) and is in the process of building a D16. mines a completely different engine and set up. its like comparing a skyline with an wrx

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Originally Posted by zco

errr. isnt it dynodave ?

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hahah bingo.

Aza i'm just waiting for you to run your car. By all means i'll look like a total dick if you actually do run 13's. But yeah, i'm almost positivie you won't :wave:

lol ok and with that said we can stop the shitty posts. we will just put this arguement to a timeslip just to make u happy.

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Originally Posted by Sexc86

Azza's car will do good times, however im sure you ALL know its all in the techniquue and the driver to get the best out of your car... you cant just go there on your first run and get your best time... practise makes perfect...

his car is capable of a high 13 or low 14, weather he does it on his first few runs is irrevelent.... i got no probs going out there and shooting some vids of him doing some runs... (the proper way in as is complete street condition with street tyres... not with everything stripped out)

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typical loser excuse. i'm pretty sure it was just last week you said that he would run 13's no sweat. taking your words back already. :wave:

fishman you are a fool... so your telling me if 2 identicle hondas with the exact same turbo setups dont have the same potential? doesnt sound right to me...

only difference i could possibly see would be on a all out build where machineing comes down to alot of experience so there arnt any failures... Experience that the usa has far more of then oz

car A with Engine B and Mods C will alwayes have the same potential regardless of where they are located in the world..

In those links are HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of people and setups who are prooving you wrong... feel sorry for you that your so ignorant and think that your right and everyone else is wrong even with evidence stareing you in the face... the country they are in is irelevent

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Originally Posted by zco

errr. isnt it dynodave ?

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dose the spelling really matter?

And its DynoDave if you want'a go tech'n shi-t

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Originally Posted by fishman

hahah bingo.

Aza i'm just waiting for you to run your car. By all means i'll look like a total dick if you actually do run 13's. But yeah, i'm almost positivie you won't :wave:

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Covering up your noobness doesn't count here

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Originally Posted by Aza

lol ok and with that said we can stop the shitty posts. we will just put this arguement to a timeslip just to make u happy.

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I respect that. No more stupid posts. I'll just wait till you run your times. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Sexc86

fishman you are a fool... so your telling me if 2 identicle hondas with the exact same turbo setups dont have the same potential? doesnt sound right to me...

only difference i could possibly see would be on a all out build where machineing comes down to alot of experience so there arnt any failures... Experience that the usa has far more of then oz

car A with Engine B and Mods C will alwayes have the same potential regardless of where they are located in the world..

In those links are HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of people and setups who are prooving you wrong... feel sorry for you that your so ignorant and think that your right and everyone else is wrong even with evidence stareing you in the face... the country they are in is irelevent

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just shut the fuc k up and go run your 14 sec car. I never said any of the US cars are slow, i'm saying YOUR CAR IS. And maybe your mate Aza's too. Guess we wait and see.

in all honesty, fishman is just speaking his mind. and its just not words you wanna hear. if you think he's a dick, then go prove him wrong. but he'll have the last laugh when you cant live upto your words..
lots of shit talkers around, just go prove your point- go get those figures that you think you can get and then post slips.

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Originally Posted by Lukezen27

dose the spelling really matter?

And its DynoDave if you want'a go tech'n shi-t




Covering up your noobness doesn't count here

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well you were the one acting as if you know who dave is.. and i know for a fact that fishman has worked with dave flood himself. spelling doesnt matter, not trying to be picky..

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Originally Posted by fishman

typical loser excuse. i'm pretty sure it was just last week you said that he would run 13's no sweat. taking your words back already. :wave:

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The car is CAPABLE of a 13 i know this for a FACT seen it done, some of the brisbane boys might know a ek civic called 17son that got around a while ago... that was a sedan bolt on setup similar to azz's and he had a d16y4 which is non vtec... azz's is vtec in a lighter car.... do the math mate

WEATHER AZZ does a 13 / 14 / 15 / 16 on his first few runs, its irelevent... his car is capable of a 13..... seen it done personally and plenty of proof on my first post to...

No he wont do his best times on his first runs because like everyone it comes down to technique and practice... i bet the first time you ran your teg you didnt do your best times.... dont you worry ill go down to the strip with him and my digital camera, ill get a vid some paperwork

MY MAIN POINT! IF THERE ARE OTHER CIVICS WITH SIMIAR SETUPS TO AZZ'S RUNNING 13'S THEN WHY ISNT HIS CAPABLE OF IT?

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Originally Posted by fishman

just shut the fuc k up and go run your 14 sec car. I never said any of the US cars are slow, i'm saying YOUR CAR IS. And maybe your mate Aza's too. Guess we wait and see.

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ahha man its funny how people when people react when they loose an argument and resolve to childish abuse .... got some advice for ya mate... go to the bottom of the page, click number 1, READ the initial post, its not about my car its not about azz's car not about anyone in specific.... purely about turbod16's and the potential they hold. Your the one who got sidetracked and brings up useless crap

Feel sorry for ya mate your the one that brings this crap up.... and yeh i got no probs with cruiseing around in my Pride and Joy civic

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Originally Posted by zco

well you were the one acting as if you know who dave is.. and i know for a fact that fishman has worked with dave flood himself. spelling doesnt matter, not trying to be picky..

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lol

I know who Dave is though I have not had the pleasure but have talked to him a few times

So fishman must know about Dave's research on D's then :p

Its like this!!!

Every time someone posts something good about D’s, the B’s boys come in a say bla bla B16/18



Is this not true?

Nopes, it all about K-series these days.

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Originally Posted by hondavti25

lol whats a 1-2 second differance any way

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Err.. You are joking right? Obviously you don't know the gap between a 14 second car and a 13 sec car. Not to mention people spend $1,000's trying to break into a 1 sec shorter bracket.

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Originally Posted by Sexc86

some of the brisbane boys might know a ek civic called 17son that got around a while ago... that was a sedan bolt on setup similar to azz's and he had a d16y4 which is non vtec... azz's is vtec in a lighter car.... do the math mate

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Yeah I've seen 17son's car run at willowbank raceway. If i remember clearly, he did a 16 sec pass. lol Best for the night was a 15 sec i think it was.

nah mate incorrect, from memory on his initial setup and basic tune he did run some 15s, but i do know for a fact at the end of haveing his car before he sold it he was down to consistant 13s... ill see if i can get in touch with him and see if hes still got the slips

B series FTW!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Sexc86

nah mate incorrect, from memory on his initial setup and base tune he did run some 15s, but i do know for a fact at the end of haveing his car before he sold it he was down to consistant 13s... ill see if i can get in touch with him and see if hes still got the slips

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nah bro 15's if he was lucky

ahhaha i remeber 17SON, my basic b16 setup was running faster times then him. Lyle, he ran 15's and that's a fact, no shit if you keep on spending money on it, it's gonna run faster. But the FACT was that his basic boosted D-series setup ran 15's, ALL NITE LONG behind my B16.

There is no point at looking at the potential of cars overseas, and saying that a shitty basic setup here is gonna do the same time. The only fast D-series down under i can think off is Weq's car. And that was no basic bolt on Ebay kit.

Ok. Lets talk "Similar Setup's"

Similar can mean the difference between a custom 3" exhaust and a high quality branded exhaust. From all of this, I think what Fishman's point is really that the US guys use very high quality parts that we in OZ may not be able to get our hands on. I mean lets face it, If you go on ebay and buy some unknown branded forged pistons that the seller claims to "increase horsepower" opposed to toda forged pistons for instance, do you think that the quality and improvement would be the same?

I don't know what parts you guys have to support the turbo setups you're currently running eg; exhaust, manifold, ecu, tune etc. But I do believe quality parts do make a difference and contribution between a 13 sec car and a 15 sec car.

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Originally Posted by SLOWEGG

Nopes, it all about K-series these days.

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ur rite, k-series is in :thumbsup: dunno abt d-series :confused:

man im not blind..... im not saying at some stages he did run some 15s but i was there on one test and tune... and watched him with my own eyes do a few consistant 13...

if car A runs 3 times in a night, say a 15 and then a 14 and then a 13... safe to say its a 13sec car.. just because it DID a 15 doesnt mean its a 15sec car... as i said ill try get in contact with him and see if hes got any dyno sheets or timeslips etc etc

FFS his been there heaps of times the same time we were. And he struggled to even break into the 14's all nite long. I can recall at least 2 nites there.

So what if it's done 13's now, after his done more work to it. We have already stated if you keep doin work to it of course it's gonna be quick.

Plus his the guy telling everyone his got a fully built motor and runs super high boost anyways.. go figure.

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Ok. Lets talk "Similar Setup's"

Similar can mean the difference between a custom 3" exhaust and a high quality branded exhaust. From all of this, I think what Fishman's point is really that the US guys use very high quality parts that we in OZ may not be able to get our hands on. I mean lets face it, If you go on ebay and buy some unknown branded forged pistons that the seller claims to "increase horsepower" opposed to toda forged pistons for instance, do you think that the quality and improvement would be the same?

I don't know what parts you guys have to support the turbo setups you're currently running eg; exhaust, manifold, ecu, tune etc. But I do believe quality parts do make a difference and contribution between a 13 sec car and a 15 sec car.

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I understand your point mate but just because we are in oz doesnt mean we cant get quality hardwear. as i said if 2 cars are built the same with the same parts they have the same potential.... yes if you use shit parts, no name brands etc etc you will have problems and it wont perform but just because we are located in australia doesnt mean we are restricted to inferior hardwear....

The only difference between australia and the USA is work that has to be done personally such as machineing were it takes experience to get it right... experience that not many people have in australia

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FFS his been there heaps of times the same time we were. And he struggled to even break into the 14's all nite long. I can recall at least 2 nites there.

So what if it's done 13's now, after his done more work to it. We have already stated if you keep doin work to it of course it's gonna be quick.

Plus his the guy telling everyone his got a fully built motor and runs super high boost anyways.. go figure.

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man i dont doubt that the car has done those times but i know what i have seen and i know what his setup was before he sold it.... unopened d16, bolt on kit, haltec etc...

you should know duy that practise and technique plays a big part in the 1/4.... so the more practise that you do of course your going to get better times...

doesnt matter about he says/she says stuff... thats just irrelevent

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ahhaha i remeber 17SON, my basic b16 setup was running faster times then him. Lyle, he ran 15's and that's a fact, no shit if you keep on spending money on it, it's gonna run faster. But the FACT was that his basic boosted D-series setup ran 15's, ALL NITE LONG behind my B16.

There is no point at looking at the potential of cars overseas, and saying that a shitty basic setup here is gonna do the same time. The only fast D-series down under i can think off is Weq's car. And that was no basic bolt on Ebay kit.

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I don't understand this so help me

Weq first setup was D16Y1 stock with a bolt-on Greddy kit witch made 120KW at the wheels, so how could that be slower than a stock B16A = only about 88KW at wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only his last setup was boost built = 200KW on the wheels or whatever it was..

Luke

yeh weq's setup was a monstor! real inspireing!.... come to think of it i dont think hes really roaming the forem these days!... should get him in on an opinion on this thred

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yeh weq's setup was a monstor! real inspireing!.... come to think of it i dont think hes really roaming the forem these days!... should get him in on an opinion on this thred

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He sold out and when for pre built Z power lol

yeh i know **** he sold that civic cheap! i though even about buying it and changeing my civics engine with his! would of loved to see it first hand!

He is saying that Weq's car was fast, not comparing it to the B16.

hey sexc86.. have you ran your car down the 1/4 ? what kinda times are you expecting if you havent ?
is there a rought indication on how much money youve spent ? would like to know how these turbo d's run

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in all honesty, fishman is just speaking his mind. and its just not words you wanna hear. if you think he's a dick, then go prove him wrong. but he'll have the last laugh when you cant live upto your words..
lots of shit talkers around, just go prove your point- go get those figures that you think you can get and then post slips.

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Agreed :thumbsup:

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Nopes, it all about K-series these days.

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Agreed :thumbsup:

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The only fast D-series down under i can think off is Weq's car. And that was no basic bolt on Ebay kit.

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Agreed :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by riceball

Ok. Lets talk "Similar Setup's"

Similar can mean the difference between a custom 3" exhaust and a high quality branded exhaust. From all of this, I think what Fishman's point is really that the US guys use very high quality parts that we in OZ may not be able to get our hands on.

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Agreed :thumbsup:

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He is saying that Weq's car was fast, not comparing it to the B16.

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Yeah but my point was his first setup was Stock + bolt-on and that made more power than a stock B16

cant wait to the honda cruise in july!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by riceball
Ok. Lets talk "Similar Setup's"

Similar can mean the difference between a custom 3" exhaust and a high quality branded exhaust. From all of this, I think what Fishman's point is really that the US guys use very high quality parts that we in OZ may not be able to get our hands on.

Agreed
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Agreed? why is it then that i can get my hands on the same internals and bolt on's that people can in the usa?


zco - mine is a d15b7 (SOHC 1.5 non vtec) Compelte standard engine, bolt on kit with microtec lt8 (standalone management)... the whole basic setup cost me abit under 3k tuned ready to go.... (however i saved a bit of money importing the gear from the usa and did all the installation basics myself)...

Last time i ran my car was a few weeks back, running 7psi... takeing into account and extra 100kgs of audio gear in the boot and 100kg worth of chrome rims (25kgs each) Complete as is show condition and a fuct clutch (slipping top end on gear changes) i ran a 14.5 @ 99mph....

No im not trying to make excuses i think its actually a pretty good time for the car and its circumstances... however its commen sense that its capable of better times if the conditions were different then as above... also makes 105fwkw

end of the day im not trying to make this about ME or MY car or MY setup..
no one believes me more then happy to show dyno sheets and my slips



If you want a good general overall idea of how Turbo D's run go through the links on my main post thats what they are there for!

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I don't understand this so help me

Weq first setup was D16Y1 stock with a bolt-on Greddy kit witch made 120KW at the wheels, so how could that be slower than a stock B16A = only about 88KW at wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only his last setup was boost built = 200KW on the wheels or whatever it was..

Luke

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I don't know buddy, why don't you tell me y about 5 other cars i know with D-series turbo run slower times than me in a stock b16? Dyno numbers mean nothing. Show me 1/4 times.

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I don't know buddy, why don't you tell me y about 5 other cars i know with D-series turbo run slower times than me in a stock b16? Dyno numbers mean nothing. Show me 1/4 times.

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lol

Yeah I don't understand that's why I asked

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Yeah I don't understand

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that pretty much sums it up, hahahah.

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I don't know buddy, why don't you tell me y about 5 other cars i know with D-series turbo run slower times than me in a stock b16? Dyno numbers mean nothing. Show me 1/4 times.

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did you have any interior or any excess weight in your car running those times? didnt you have I/H/E on your b16? doesnt sound stock to me ? also man check the links on the first page should be a fair fair few turbo dseries 1/4 times there.... thats what the links are for


End of the day the links are there for a reason... ozzy engines are exactly the same as us engines... we have access to the exact same parts as them as well... we even have an advantage as they only have reg 94 octain fuel everyday access! we have up to 100!! they have the same potential hense thats what the potential of a boosted D is....

nothing different just because they are in a different country... man im just going around in circules... im off to bed

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Originally Posted by riceball
Ok. Lets talk "Similar Setup's"

Similar can mean the difference between a custom 3" exhaust and a high quality branded exhaust. From all of this, I think what Fishman's point is really that the US guys use very high quality parts that we in OZ may not be able to get our hands on.

Agreed
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Agreed? why is it then that i can get my hands on the same internals and bolt on's that people can in the usa?

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I agree, as the US will always be the US, and we will always be Australia, the sheep of every fcukin facet when it comes to fashion, technology...and cars when compared to the rest of the world.
Everything comes out and is implemented elsewhere first,
And by the time we catch up and produce the same sort of work, they would have created atomic bombs that fit in your jean pockets.

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I don't know buddy, why don't you tell me y about 5 other cars i know with D-series turbo run slower times than me in a stock b16? Dyno numbers mean nothing. Show me 1/4 times.

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DYno number mean something!!! it will predict how fast are you going on the quater mile!! THEORITICALLY!

but as we know, tire spins, no tractions, wind, wheather comes to play.

basicly DYNO NUMBERS GIVE YOU a rough indication how fast your car should be getting to. give or take 0.5 of a sec. :angel: