8th Gen Civic - Concerns on fuel economy

I'm looking at purchasing a VTI-L very soon, and one of the factors that influenced my decision was its fuel economy (compared with its competitors in Mazda 3 and Toyota Corolla). Honda lists the VTI/VTI-L manual economy figure at 6.9l/100km. I understand that these figures are likely to be higher, but many of the reviews I read mentioned that the Honda figure was very close (real-world perhaps more like 7.1). I've seen many around here indicate a MUCH higher figure, even after breaking the engine in - figures like 9 - 12l/100km are very disheartening.

I'm coming from a 93 EB Ford Falcon with LPG fitted, so I understand the Civic's economy won't match LPG, but it shouldn't be that big of a difference. I get around 350km on a 60 litre tank of LPG, Civic owners are saying they get around 400km on a 50 litre tank of ULP (a much more expensive prospect).

Can anyone shed light on this? I was under the impression the Civic was one of the best cars in terms of fuel economy (for the price).

really depends on how you drive whether you floor it or not, but just for everyday normal driving the fuel economy is pretty good. it is def not 12/100km. it more like 7-7.5/100km maybe. anyway you wont go wrong with fuel economy. but i the 8th gen seems to have a few factory problems, one of them is the driver side window stuffing up. however honda will fix it with your warranty. people on hear have listed alot of other problems to which i have not experienced except window problems. if your able to deal with these issues, the civic is a nice car for you.

driving habits can increase your consumption up to 40%.

it is one of the best cars for fuel economy, but you need to learn how to drive economically.

with my integra, I can get 350 for a tank or 500, depending on how i drive.

i used around 9-10/100k with my Sports (Auto) and its a mix of city & highway drive...

firstly LPG equipped cars do consume the same amount of fuel or even more.
but the LPG itself is cheaper so it may seem so.
the civic is a very fuel economic car
in the end it depends how u drive your car

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Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]

firstly LPG equipped cars do consume the same amount of fuel or even more.

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Yes I realise that, i'm just comparing the $/litre ratio, which is obviously more important when looking at different fuel systems. I can travel about 350km for under $30 (60 litre tank based on LPG prices on < 50cents/litre). I'd be interested in knowing how far people can travel on ULP. It seems to be around 400-450km for around $65 (50 litre tank on approx $1.30/litre), so a fair amount more compared to my LPG tank.

costs me about a dollar a kilometre.

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Originally Posted by yourfather

costs me about a dollar a kilometre.

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err, you sure about that?

here is mine everysince I started recording, (2006 Honda Civic VTi-L Auto), no modifications.

http://www.phyrefile.com/pic/2007/06/17/fuel.JPG

you can see it varies alot, I believe the first tank was 80&#37; in the city, 20% highway or less.

let's take the worst case scenario..

an 8th gen civic can give you 8/100k (in facts it can vary if you do the city driving, you can get up to 10/100k)
while the lpg-fitted car can give you 15/100k

so

if you need to do 100k, the civic will cost you:
the civic will cost you: 8 litres x $1.25 = $10
while the lpg-fitted car will cost you: 15 litres x $0.50 = $7.50

Conclusion:
there is NO way you can beat the lpg...only toyota prius with its hybrid machine can match the lpg so far.

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Originally Posted by Hans Bond

there is NO way you can beat the lpg...only toyota prius with its hybrid machine can match the lpg so far.

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not even Civic Hybrid? Dang!!!

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Originally Posted by Hans Bond

there is NO way you can beat the lpg...only toyota prius with its hybrid machine can match the lpg so far.

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I realise that, but i'm happier with your figures of 8/100km. I'm more concerned about these figures of 10/100km.

I think you're better off buying a diesel car if you're THAT concerned about fuel economy.

Although the only thing that I can think of being the small Polo TDI lol.

I have to admit the technology behind the prius beats the civic hybrid, they even have less fuel consumption than civic hybrid.

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Originally Posted by denot

not even Civic Hybrid? Dang!!!

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Originally Posted by NeoNode

I think you're better off buying a diesel car if you're THAT concerned about fuel economy.

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I would if I could, nothing really in my price range or specifications. I'm just wondering why many reviews suggest a figure close to 7/100k whereas everyone else is getting much worse.

my worst ecenomy to date is 9.5 and i have a heavy foot. im usually about mid 8's with mostly city driving. around 500-550km a tank is normal

^manual or auto?

manual 1.8

hmm... if you can see my spreadsheet, I get about 100km's less than you on everytank (with I guess 50/50 driving), very light on the pedal.... what petrol do you use?

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Originally Posted by andyhui01

here is mine everysince I started recording, (2006 Honda Civic VTi-L Auto), no modifications.



you can see it varies alot, I believe the first tank was 80% in the city, 20% highway or less.

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you're very good bookkeeper !!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

jus normal ULP, usually from shell... my trips are city but theyre also longer.. the car is getting a chance to get to operating temp... ive been on study leave this week and its been shit coz i havent been going more than 5k's or so to anywhere, just to the gym n that on my breaks...

i reckon if ur car is tuned for standard petrol, using premium wont make a difference....

^hmm.. I use Unleaded 95, after a few tanks of BP, if I don't see improvements, I will go back down to regular ULP.
My cars economy is pretty shit as I do alot of inner city suburb driving and alot of short distances and a @(I&*$ load of traffic lights, so I guess that isn't helping it.
dmx, it helps if you do Commerce at uni :D

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Originally Posted by yourfather

costs me about a dollar a kilometre.

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We have a SS Commodore,XR8 Falcon,LS Integra,CBR600RR and non of our machines use this much fuel.
You got serious issues if you are using this much.

my auto sport drinks 12L/100km average... i don't thrash it either. just the usual to and from work.

just used E10 from caltex... got 680km of the tank so far.. still 4 little bars... and i was giving it to it

These figures are so confusing, 12l/100km driving conservatively, now 680km from a tank without driving conservatively... it seems the new Civics are much worse.

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Originally Posted by Arcturus

These figures are so confusing, 12l/100km driving conservatively, now 680km from a tank without driving conservatively... it seems the new Civics are much worse.

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Chylld sports auto has a lot, i mean A LOT, issues.. so this 12L/100km is possibly to happens with his car. Mine got around this figures when my uncle driving it for a week (and trash it a lot T-T).

Any1 try the new 10% ethanol ULP from Caltex on our new civics yet? Pro cons using this?

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Originally Posted by Arcturus

seems the new Civics are much worse.

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the new Civics are much worse than?

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Originally Posted by andyhui01

^hmm.. I use Unleaded 95, after a few tanks of BP, if I don't see improvements, I will go back down to regular ULP.
My cars economy is pretty shit as I do alot of inner city suburb driving and alot of short distances and a @(I&*$ load of traffic lights, so I guess that isn't helping it.
dmx, it helps if you do Commerce at uni :D

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its the short distances that kill it on any car... the car needs time to warm up for the best economy... also the start stop isnt good for it.. taking off takes a lot more fuel than maintaining speed.. thats why highway driving is so good for fuel economy....

ppl get spoiled on driving 1.5, 1.6l engines, naturally they use less. im stoked with mine (well i jumped out of a supercharged v6 lol, 14-16l/100km). my old mans gti is a 2.0l and that does around 10l/100 in city/suburban traffic

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Originally Posted by denot

Chylld sports auto has a lot, i mean A LOT, issues.. so this 12L/100km is possibly to happens with his car. Mine got around this figures when my uncle driving it for a week (and trash it a lot T-T).

Any1 try the new 10% ethanol ULP from Caltex on our new civics yet? Pro cons using this?


the new Civics are much worse than?

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can someone elaborate further on the 10% ULP? It seems like the EG civic got a good economy, but thats 1.6 so its a diff story, and with the new civics, it seems like the new civic has a huge range, I've heard of auto 1.8l's doing 550-600 on a tank and some people can get about 350 a tank.

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Originally Posted by andyhui01

can someone elaborate further on the 10% ULP? It seems like the EG civic got a good economy, but thats 1.6 so its a diff story, and with the new civics, it seems like the new civic has a huge range, I've heard of auto 1.8l's doing 550-600 on a tank and some people can get about 350 a tank.

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The FD civic is also much heavier than the EG civic.

btw, just curious, to those guys who get 500-550 on a tank, do you guys pull out the nozzle after it stops or do you pump extra litres in? Because I should point out, I pull out once the nozzle stops (round to the nearest 10c so not much diff) and about 50&#37; of the time when I start my car, I am 1 bar short of full (and even if its full, it'll go away in less than 5km)... do you guys experience this or does everyone just pump in an extra 2l or however much?

i agree with u andyhui01... usually i put some extra in, but last time i pull of when it stops (cos its exactly on $30) then it was 1 bar empty... strange strange

ok i used E10 from caltex.. tank is now empty.. 760km out the tank... wich is manual vti witch is r18a, anyone gettin less then 450 must be flogging the nuts off the darn thing... or using crap fuel...

what kind of driving u doing

^how can there be such a big difference? I've tried driving 100&#37; to get the best fuel consumption, very very light on the accelerator, rpm never went about 3k rpm. I've already tried Shell 95 and BP 95, very minimal diff, the BP is just slightly better. If there are more people on his side, I might have to try switching again.

umm did a trip to byron bay and back... still had more then half a tank... rest was comb of city and highway... hit rev cut quite a few times... 1st 2nd and 3rd

I get 450k at best from a full tank, usually about 400. I spend about $40 a week on fuel. Automatic 1.8

But I love near city, so I always in stop start traffic.

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Originally Posted by andyhui01

^how can there be such a big difference? I've tried driving 100% to get the best fuel consumption, very very light on the accelerator, rpm never went about 3k rpm. I've already tried Shell 95 and BP 95, very minimal diff, the BP is just slightly better. If there are more people on his side, I might have to try switching again.

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I think because

1.they drive a manual=more fuel efficient
2.More highway driving
3.less usage of vtec

thats maybe my explanation for why some people get better fuel economy. But I agree with you, my auto gets pretty bad economy no matter what I do!! I'll be happy with just 10L/100km.

^ I know manual would save abit more fuel, but not that much... and I'm pretty sure I did not VTEC it when I tried to get the most out of my tank, I like right in the CBD, as in postcode 3000 so I go through alot of stop start traffic, I would guess its about 50/50 for highway and city for me.

Even the other Manual 1.8 civic could only do 500-550, not 600+

maybe they changed something for the 2007 model lol... cause was quicker on 1/4 then a sports :S... and using less fuel lol

First post here for some time and am now going to be an 8th Gen Civic owner so will be back here more often :)

Seems some very very different results on fuel usage from everyome here. I am having mixed feelings on buying the new Civic however am hopeful i will be one of the lucky ones that gets great fuel economy :) Getting out of an Echo that is able to get 550-600klms out of 36 litres i am hoping to get around the 8 litres per 100 from the Civic, fingers crossed....

Will give my findings on fuel economy once i have driven the car for a tank or 2 :P

Mine is about 10L/100km, vti auto 1.8. Mostly short trips, around 25km a day. I used normal unleaded bp/shell/mobil. I've just started using Shell V-power, anyone here using v-power? any pro and cons? IMO, the car feel smoother, but looks like drinking the same amount of fuel...

Ok i've just run through my first tank, which got around 380 km on 34.5 litres of whatever kind of petrol the dealership put in. That works out to be around 8.5l/100km, can I expect a significant increase on the next few tanks?

It's a VTI-L manual.

what kind of trips were u doing? that sounds about right

I drove mostly through suburban streets with little traffic. After about 200km I travelled further out of Melbourne where there were less traffic lights but more turns and varied speeds. Overall, generally outer-suburban driving.

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Originally Posted by chylld

my auto sport drinks 12L/100km average... i don't thrash it either. just the usual to and from work.

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geez my 5.7lt V8 calais used bout 13-15 just round town!

my mrs just got her civic sport autop yesterday, ill see wat shes gettin on that

her brother gets his Civic type R on thurs, ill look at his, when i was drivin mine i was gettin like 9.5lt/100k round town and 12/100k when i was in 8,000 land!

best way go to the gym and shed a few pounds helps with economy and your mrs might appreciate it too! Win Win situation!!!

Ive been getting consistant 9.5l/100km since new and even after filling with 5w30 synthetic oil.
took a trip to geelong and back and only achieved 9.2, expected better.

Have fitted Denso Iridiums yesterday and will report if theres any improvement. Car feels smoother and quieter somehow with the Densos

New Car = high fuel usage. Because the engine is still wearing in.

Expect the fuel economy to be on par at around 15,000km


My Euro was eating 16L/100km but now its down to 9.xL

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Originally Posted by yourfather

driving habits can increase your consumption up to 40%.

it is one of the best cars for fuel economy, but you need to learn how to drive economically.

with my integra, I can get 350 for a tank or 500, depending on how i drive.

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civics have 45L tank..
and when the fuel light comes on i go refill..
and it gets full at 37L (whilst refilling)
hence you still have 8L in your tank when the fuel light turns on.
and 8L can take u about 100kms extra.

just wondering is your 500kms based on when the fuel light turns on? or using that 8L to push the petrol to the limit ?

should I get one of these cars?

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Originally Posted by amurray

ok i used E10 from caltex.. tank is now empty.. 760km out the tank... wich is manual vti witch is r18a, anyone gettin less then 450 must be flogging the nuts off the darn thing... or using crap fuel...

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Not calling you a liar, but may I ask how much fuel you used in doing that 760? Because even if you did use all 50L of your fuel which would cause your car to break down on the side of the road..

calculating your L/100km's

.. 760 / 50 = 0.658 per 1k
0.658 x 100 = 6.58 L / 100km's

So since its impossible to use up all 50L's, lets say you drove with 5L's left in your car..

760 / 45 = 0.59
5.9L/100km's

That is a whole liter below honda's rated 6.9L/100 which people rarely get even if they drove like granny's.

With most drivers here claiming 7-8L's / 100. I cannot see how it's possible your car was able to get 760L's. just like to know what's behind this thats all.

Based on your claim, my assumptions would be:

Caltex E10 is magical fuel

Theres a flaw with how you calculate the fuel usage of your car (maybe you just forgot to reset the odo from the previous tank so the KM's added on.)

maybe he has a hybrid

To everyone complaining about fuel ecconomy from the 8th generation Civic. I purchased a VTI auto in July, 2006 and have kept a comprehensive log book on the vehicle since that time. To date i have travelled 22,000kms at an average of 7.06 ltr/100km. Best recorded is 6.51L/100km, worst 7.5L/100km. I have only ever used standard unleaded fuel from my local woolworths petrol station. As this vehicle is advertised at 7.2L/100km i am fractionally in front of that. To me it is a great car that has given no problems to date.

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Originally Posted by clem

Not calling you a liar, but may I ask how much fuel you used in doing that 760? Because even if you did use all 50L of your fuel which would cause your car to break down on the side of the road..

calculating your L/100km's

.. 760 / 50 = 0.658 per 1k
0.658 x 100 = 6.58 L / 100km's

So since its impossible to use up all 50L's, lets say you drove with 5L's left in your car..

760 / 45 = 0.59
5.9L/100km's

That is a whole liter below honda's rated 6.9L/100 which people rarely get even if they drove like granny's.

With most drivers here claiming 7-8L's / 100. I cannot see how it's possible your car was able to get 760L's. just like to know what's behind this thats all.

Based on your claim, my assumptions would be:

Caltex E10 is magical fuel

Theres a flaw with how you calculate the fuel usage of your car (maybe you just forgot to reset the odo from the previous tank so the KM's added on.)

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Clem, add this to your unbelievable list. 667km on 44.5 lts. the first 280 km on that tank around town, so a figure in the mid to high 5L/100km is what i would expect on a long trip....on standard unleaded fuel

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Originally Posted by andyhui01

here is mine everysince I started recording, (2006 Honda Civic VTi-L Auto), no modifications.

http://www.phyrefile.com/pic/2007/06/17/fuel.JPG

you can see it varies alot, I believe the first tank was 80&#37; in the city, 20% highway or less.

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Andy, compare this log book on a VTI Auto

DATE MILAGE FUEL M.P.G Ltr-100 COST SERVICE LABOUR PARTS COST
13/07/06 20 14.6 $20.00
15/07/06 *203 38.67 $49.46
21/07/06 724 39.7 * 37.25 7.62 $50.77
23/07/06 1130 27.3 42.16 6.72 $36.00
26/07/06 1332 1,000km Nil Nil $000.00
28/07/06 Headlight Bulbs $170.00
28/07/06 1565 30.94 39.5 7.1 $39.26
04/08/06 2052 34.15 40.66 7.0 $43.33
12/08/06 2539 35.14 39.36 7.21 $44.59
21/08/06 2992 32.09 40.12 7.08 $40.73
25/08/06 3391 27.12 41.94 6.8 $34.42
01/09/06 3863 33.00 40.41 6.99 $41.55
08/09/06 4307 31.27 40.39 7.04 $39.05
16/09/06 4921 43.57 40.10 7.09 $53.55
17/09/06 4922 Oil & Filter 50.00 $50.00
24/09/06 5455 37.46 40.50 7.01 $44.91
03/10/06 6066 42.26 41.10 6.91 $50.25
30/10/06 6541 35.43 38.14 7.46 $38.58
06/11/06 7011 32.74 40.83 6.97 $35.65
13/11/06 7468 31.89 40.80 6.97 $34.73
20/11/06 7964 35.17 40.10 7.09 $37.59
27/11/06 8424 32.46 40.32 7.05 $34.70
04/12/06 8862 32.73 38.07 7.47 $35.00
11/12/06 9330 31.56 42.21 6.74 $31.84
17/12/06 9801 33.07 37.05 7.27 $38.00
19/12/06 10220 27.76 42.93 6.62 $28.00
19/12/06 10244 10,000km Service $50.00 $50.00
28/12/06 10806 42.90 38.85 7.32 $43.72
06/01/07 11394 39.70 42.14 6.75 $40.45
16/01/07 11887 35.75 39.20 7.25 $38.57
23/01/07 12312 30.57 39.53 7.19 $32.38
30/01/07 12942 43.62 41.06 6.92 $45.76
06/02/07 13388 32.28 39.29 7.24 $31.92
12/02/07 13782 28.52 39.27 7.24 $28.92
19/02/07 14263 33.75 40.51 7.01 $36.75
26/02/07 14724 32.15 40.77 6.97 $35.00
02/03/07 15129 Oil & Filter $49.60
05/03/07 15200 35.08 38.58 7.37 $38.21
12/03/07 15639 31.32 39.88 7.13 $34.11
19/03/07 16090 31.09 41.27 6.89 $33.86
26/03/07 16558 34.45 38.64 7.36 $36.13
02/04/07 17028 32.80 40.74 6.98 $38.67
11/04/07 17564 37.98 40.17 7.08 $44.80
18/04/07 17960 29.53 38.14 7.46 $34.82
09/05/07 18487 38.05 39.40 7.22 $44.48 (Average fuel consumption @ 21,711km)
25/05/07 18929 33.23 37.84 7.52 $41.50 21,508km 1518.767lts = 7.06lts/100km
11/06/07 19596 44.50 42.62 6.67 $57.81 13,442.5 mls 333.767 gal = 40.27 mpg.
15/06/07 Oil & Filter, Auto trans oil $95.95
19/06/07 20145 37.04 42.15 6.75 $45.52
25/06/07 20698 37.62 41.79 6.80 $48.50
02/07/07 21215 35.62 41.26 6.89 $43.78
09/07/07 21711 34.28 43.72 6.51 $42.13
16/07/07 22196 33.33 41.35 6.87 $40.97

How you guys get that log? Manually calculation? Or does Civic have built in fuel log program?

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Originally Posted by oniononline

How you guys get that log? Manually calculation? Or does Civic have built in fuel log program?

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hahahaha... built in log program will be cool... :p

Every one using this forum obviously has a computer, so if you go into microsoft word it is quite simple to make your own log book. It takes all of about 5 minutes every week to keep it up to date & with a calculator it is very easy to keep an eye on fuel consumption.
The other reason for the log book is being a qualified mechanic i prefer doing all my own servicing, well i probably over service the vehicle in the hope of a pro-longed life.
After that it is up to each individual to understand what they are doing in the way they drive their vehicles in relation to ecconomy. It is not a matter of treating a car like a baby, just drive it smart.

There is a fuel used / km traveled program on certain cars, the new Subaru has it and I've even read something like that can be unlocked in Mazda 3 cars, just wonder if there is one figured out by someone haha.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

It is not a matter of treating a car like a baby, just drive it smart.

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Haahahaha... for me, I treat my car like a baby by driving it smartly... ^_^

anyhow, my fuel consumption was rather absurb today... just fill the tank 32.85L for 311.15kms... -_-" (too much heater???)

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Originally Posted by amurray

hit rev cut quite a few times... 1st 2nd and 3rd

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Just trying to say that its highly unlikely that someone who hits rev cut at 1st 2nd and 3rd 'quite a few times' is able to achieve 760kms in the same tank.

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Originally Posted by clem

Just trying to say that its highly unlikely that someone who hits rev cut at 1st 2nd and 3rd 'quite a few times' is able to achieve 760kms in the same tank.

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Clem, i agree wholeheartedly, 760km per tank under exteem driving conditions could not be achieved, except in dreams

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Originally Posted by denot

Haahahaha... for me, I treat my car like a baby by driving it smartly... ^_^

anyhow, my fuel consumption was rather absurb today... just fill the tank 32.85L for 311.15kms... -_-" (too much heater???)

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hmmmmm...10.56L/100km compared to my worst ever of 7.6.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

hmmmmm...10.56L/100km compared to my worst ever of 7.6.

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whats ur daily commute like?

i do pretty much normal driving with some highway driving and get 500km or so out of a full tank out of my fd2 manual

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whats ur daily commute like?

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My daily comute is a 90km round trip, 60% rural back roads & 40% town.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

hmmmmm...10.56L/100km compared to my worst ever of 7.6.

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indeed this was my worst... bear in mind i have the sports, auto, 80% city (slow-stop) driving and heater always on whenever i drive with my fiance... usually i only do around 8.5-9L/100 kms...

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My daily comute is a 90km round trip, 60% rural back roads & 40% town.

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that makes sense then.. mines like 40km in the city/ inner suburbs lol

As an update on my last 5 tanks fuel consumption has varied between 6.51 & 6.87 L/100k. engine must be starting to loosen up a little.

nows winter, noticed my fuel consumtion has gone up to 10.5/100

Would you mind telling me please how being winter effects fuel consumption? It is winter here as well & for the last 6 weeks (500 to 600km per week) i have used less than 7L/100km. Only fractionally but very consistant.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

Would you mind telling me please how being winter effects fuel consumption? It is winter here as well & for the last 6 weeks (500 to 600km per week) i have used less than 7L/100km. Only fractionally but very consistant.

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heater on all the time? QLD doesnt have as "wintery" as NSW or MELB... so I dunno if you need heater on in QLD...

i woulda thought u'd consume more in summer... as the a/c is constantly running...
i think the heater would have minimal effect on fuel consumption...

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Originally Posted by ^^v

i woulda thought u'd consume more in summer... as the a/c is constantly running...
i think the heater would have minimal effect on fuel consumption...

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Not too sure about that... but what I thought is that in summer, you just have the A/C on mid (24-25 degree) and set the fan to high to save fuel... but for heater, no matter how many degree you set, it will consume the same fuel as if you put them on max (or Hi in our civic)... any tech ppl can help?

Using a heater has absolutely no effect on fuel consumption....period.
Think of a heater a a very small radiator situated behind the dash with a fan attatched. You control both the amount of hot water flowing through the heater radiator and the fan speed.
To the person who said it does not get cold in QLD, 14 consecutive mornings below 0 deg puts a quick ebd to a crazy comment.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

To the person who said it does not get cold in QLD, 14 consecutive mornings below 0 deg puts a quick ebd to a crazy comment.

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Well thats only for this year I believe... the coldest ever for the past 20 year (according to chnl nine)

I stand bye my original comment, cold weather & using a heater has absoultely nothing to do with fuel ecconnomy.
You made the statement it doesnt get cold here, well let me tell you it does, every year we have cold weather, & that is coming from someone who lived in the southern highlands south of sydney.

anyway... lets not continue the "weather" topic now shall we? :angel:

Just refil my car again today 31.50L for 321kms...

Just bought my Civic VTi-L Manual about 4 weeks ago. I always fill up after 500k's, which is exactly a weeks driving for me. That uses just over 34l. So normally running at just above 6.8l/100km. That is about 40% highway and 60% in the streets.