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Well guy I've been thinking whether i should keep my DC2R or not... I've been thinking to get an EG and do some sort of K swap but i'm not quiet sure on what i should do.
The EG may cost more but it will most likely see the road more than my dc2r... my dc2r sees the road maybe once a week and i keep spending money on the car :/
opinions?
in my opinion, i would keep the dc2r because it looks way better and plus why not just do a k swap in the dc2r ! looks better and goes harder. :thumbsup:
DC2R hands down for me
forced induction maybe?
hm... i'd prefer to stay n/a... i'm looking at getting bc spec 4 cams and itbs and mayebe even ctr pistons, do you think its worth doing all that ? at one point i even considered selling the dc2r for a mx5 :/
i'd just spend that money on a turbo kit. You'll end up going ALOT faster and won't spend much more then what you would on those cams, pistons and ITBs.
any reason why would the potential EG see more of the road than ur current dc2r?
if u have the habit of babying and not driving ur current car, trust me, after u get the EG it will end up staying in garage most of the time too :)
dc2r!
got any pictures of it? what colour is it ?
I'd say keep your DC2R as well,
I prefer N/A too, its a noble challenge after you've achieved smthg thru N/A
everyone knows, thru boost, the power is already there. easy.
Keep the Dc2R, much better car to drive.
As for mods, simple bolt-on I/H/E and a hondata plus tuning will net some good results.
DC2R-K :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by xtat1k
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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
^^^ I am with these guys. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by hinezz
DC2R for sure :)
That’s the way, I personally don’t find powerful fwd to be very pleasant to drive, especially when they are turboed.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
keep the dc2r & make it perform at the same level as EGk20A
not worth the hassel of getting a clean eg then custom fitting the k20 into it, getting it engineered, upgrading the brakes, sourcing the half cut and for what? a car that is a little bit quiker than your dc2r!
Take a look at Deano's car in the Appearance thread (yellow DC2R - DLO01). That's how you do a DC2R right.
Stock engine + boost ftw. 200kw atw is perfectly attainable, as Dean shows - and from what I've heard, his car is stoopid fast.
300kw on a st honda is stupid fast.
200kw on a st honda is fun sr20 killing fast.
lol.
take out and sell the b18c7 in your dc2r. put that cash towards buying item 3 from this: (or something similar)
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70744
and put it in your dc2r :)
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Originally Posted by IZY-10
it wont be slightly faster. plus if you then use hondata k100/kpro it will be a lot faster. shouldnt need to be engineered in a dc2r as the displacement increase is less than 25% from memory i think its something like that. correct if im wrong
Dc2r is a much better chasis and has more than enough power......if money is not an issue then do it, however I have seen many EG/EK's with ITR or K conversions, you need to ask yourself, for the money spent is there that much gained over a Dc2r???
not a little bit faster, try alot faster :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IZY-10
200kw on a street Honda = Nissan Killer ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
/puts on flame suit.
i drive a cw dc2r... the car is purely a weekend car and it is babied a lot so it hardly sees the road
the eg civic would most likely see the road more but then it'd have a k20 in it which may be another reason for me to keep babying the car :/
by one second:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawasaki
DC2R... Keep it. If anything, go for a K20A, and stay NA.
After all NA>FI. IMO Turbo is cheating, It's too easy to get power. Personally I'd just work the B18C. It's more of a Fun, and raw motor, and suits the DC2R chassis feel. I think K20's are a extremely boring motor, although they are torquey. Ofcourse a heavily worked B18C isn't going to be as reliable as a morderately tuned K20, but if you not guna be driving it much, I think it'll be the better/funner option.
I'l give u a ride in my k-series wen its done. Then decide for yourself if its "extremely" boring, or jst "extreme" ;) :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by ricki_kalsi
LOL... nah I know it's fun cos it's fast. But it's not raw enough. It's not what a real Type R motor should feel like IMO. hehe.
i guess ur rite..in the end its the feeling which counts, in dis case u like "raw" LOL!:p i prefer mine well done!Quote:
Originally Posted by ricki_kalsi
My Type R motor loves boost pushing in to her.
Revs her **** off.
Loves it.
^^^ Oh, thats quite sexy hey?
But yeh, its what you like/want. :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: its all abt the feeling! :cool: n/a guys woudnt knw hw we FI boys feel! LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by DLO01
LMAO, have any of you giving advice even driven a k-swapped EG?
All these guys talk like that know, i think not unless you've driven both can you really give a fair opinion.
to OP, it's really want you want in a car at the end of the day, everyone has different opinions on looks, but as for performance K>B.
For, definately the EG-K.
People tend to swear by whatever car they are currently driving/aspire to driving.
That's why I like the EG as it's an underdog and more stealth with a more lovable appearance even though the DC2R is technically much better car from the factory with the body stiffening all done at the factory.
We bought the DC2R last year as it would have been much cheaper than retrofitting the type R gear into my exisiting EG. But as competent as a package the Dc2R is and the car is everybit as good as ppl say it is I still can't fall in love with it.
So I'm getting my EG converted with a B16A to start off with and doing up the B18C7 motor in our DC2R slowly. When the time is right for us to get the DC2R K converted by someone in the Eastern states in a few years time the B18C7 tuned engine setup would then bolt straight into my EG which I intend to keep in the long run.
An EG with a good K swap along with that 6 spd would be very awesome, potentially the ultimate sleeper from hell if you keep the appearance understated. The trouble I find with the DC2R is that ppl with turbo Nissans and WRXs know what it is and tend you provoke you on the road whichever they can as they know the DC2R has no answer to them esp in a rolling situation when they have the run on you from behind. In the EG they never bother as they think it's a EG breeze and tend to leave you alone.
"DC2R has no answer to them"???
Are you referring to standard nissan's and wrx's, if so, especially in a rolling start the DC2R defiantely does have an answer. Heavily modified WRX's and Nissan's is a different issue
Whats the point of having a descent motor and babying it all the time.
Let her warm up completely and give it a bit of stick everynow and then. Otherwise whats the point? might as well have a cxi civic with a faulty headgasket like everyone else. :thumbsup:
hahaha that's exactly how I thought and that's why I didn't buy a dc2r, I knew it was gonna get picked on by turbos and v8s and not enough suprise factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by EG30
if your the type of person that buys and sells cars then i suggest keep the dc2r. No matter how much you spend on the EG at the end of the day its just a civic and will not be worth as much when it comes time to resell. just something to think about.
my b16 eg-crx runs with VN v8's and 180's no problems. door to door 1.6ltr power baby :p:pQuote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
where abouts are u located.. come for a drive in my EG K20A and i will let you make up your mind..
i use to have a dc2r and i prefer my EG K20A anyday..
it is so much fun and most people on the roads have no idea about how quick you are.. bye bye nissan..
i'd go for dc2R
im in the bankstown area, you ?
anyone wanna take me for a ride in a dc2r?.. in canberra
is that your ride in your photo? top one k20 eg that was in autosalon etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by k20man
being a honda nut i would love to be able to sample all the little honda fruits in the garden. given your current situation i would advise you to look heavily into a egk20 then do it if your still not scared off by the whole process. just because the dc2r has such an awesome reputation it doesnt mean its for you.
it also comes down to what type of driving you do. if you going to go for a nice weekend drive down old pac, then keep the dc2r. cruise the highway buy a toyota. if your a traffic light warrior and only care about what others think of your car go turbo k20 in the integra. infact buy a nissan (runs and hides)
what do you like most about your current car? work on emphasizing what your love and improving what you dislike.
300kw on a street fwd is wheelspin hilarity :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
niiiiiceeeee...
Havent been in a egk20 but if I had a choice between the two, EG-k ftw~!
This is bias cause I love the EG model.
SO EG-K20 for the win! Thats if you haven't spent cash on modding the dc2r already.
At the end of the day you'll have many people giving you heaps of different opinion but you have to decide. Its you that ultimately gonna have to live with it at the end of the day. Which car do u feel most passionate towards?
Regards,
David
yeh thats my car.. i bought it off top one about 1 yr ago, yeh it was at auto salon tooQuote:
Originally Posted by xdannyx
I agree with David here,Quote:
Originally Posted by Phamburger
There is no way you can get anything out of asking a question like this on a Honda forum.
(Unless you asking "chromies or volks time attacks").
You're just going to have to make up your own mind.
You'll always get different opinions here :)
why don;t u sell your type r engine package and do a k serise swap
I don't see why people to to K swaps from a b18c7? Spend that money on the B18c7 and you'll kill K series anyday. Remember its the total package. Close gear ratio, higher FD and abit more power it'll be the same as k20a.
DC2R!!!
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Originally Posted by fatboyz39
Adrian@toda also said this. Cos the DC2R is lighter so it's easier to improve the power to weight ratio. But the K20A motor when worked is more reliable than the B-series.
But ne ways... B- series FTMFW!!!
that's y most of his customers with big budget b-series builds run mid 14's. :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by ricki_kalsi
Mid 14's quater mile?
Does Straight line speed matter? I'll be guessing that Toda's customer's cars are track preped. Meaning they'll have more Neg camber than drag cars, and less straight line traction and speed.
yeah that's a classic excuse, i love it. My car is for track that's y it's slow. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ricki_kalsi
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Originally Posted by ricki_kalsi
Why is a dc2r lighter than an EG? And if a built motor runs mid 14s then you might as well not building it and just focus on suspension???
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Originally Posted by fishman
Ummm not an excuse man. Just a pure fact. I don't know if you watch best motoring, they had a section on it. And pretty much anyone on this forum can tell you suspention setting and correct tire choice is the key to fast times around a circuit or drag strip.
Sorry I was comparing DC2R chassis weight with that of the DC5R.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
Yes it's true, but it's no excuse for dud engine builds. Other cars with stock engines that are also setup for circuit are pulling faster times both down the strip and around the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by ricki_kalsi
Get a rotary
Sounds like fishman is not a fan of toda australia.
And nissan's or toyota's do not have to be heavily modified to beat a dc2r.....except for the noise...you arnt going as fast as you think you are.
Ive owned a dc2r and a S15. S15 FTW
yeh. dont cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by ricki_kalsi
honda's are slow full stop!
b-b-b-b BUT I GOT A CIVIC thats like the fastest car out there in cabramatta. why else would every asian get one
hondas are built not for straight line all out obviously, but the N/A on Hondas are remarkably built.
that's why they scraped the K23 turbo on the new RDX. cos lots of people apparently don't want a turbo acura/honda.
Thats the shit brother, a $5000 rotary will kick any K series conversion and/or B series turbo setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowa
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Originally Posted by blk_shadow
dc2r or EG LOL....
obviously DC2R for sure looks 1000000000000 times better ...
Could possible be the driver. Ever think of that? If you put tsychia in a stock EK4 and put say "yourself" in a turboed K20A in a stripped out EG, with perfect suspension set up... who do you think will win??Quote:
Originally Posted by fishman
I guess your not a fan of Toda racing. I know how it feels to not be a fan of a garage if you get a dodgy product or service. I know Toda's tunes are not great for the street. My ECU tune has left me with less power than stock below 4000RPM, but above that, it's awsome. On the track the car was more responsive, and reved out much much quicker than stock, and car is not pinging or ne thing. So i'm a happy customer. But this also leads to a slow drag time, as the tune is for a high rev range which you would use for the track and not for the drag strip. Just my 2 cents.
lmao, that's the most stupidest thing i've ever heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by ricki_kalsi
yeah man lolQuote:
Originally Posted by fishman
why would u want a tune that only works at high RPM and you have less power then stock down low?
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Originally Posted by jords
be carefull.
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Thats a fkn classic mate :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ricki_kalsi
Seriously, I'd be asking LOTS of questions if I lost power ANYWHERE in the rev band after paying for a tune.
haha yeh right.. i will race any $5000 rotary you got.. and prove you wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by jords
Does it feel like hitting full boost above 4000rpm?:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ricki_kalsi
Mate if the car got power it'll do good times at 1/4mile. Drag, circuit, whateva it'll do the times at 1/4mile. Too many excuses "my car is setup for F&*ken circuit, so what. our stock ITR with I/H/E 13.6 and again STOCK b20/ITR with I/H/E 13.4. My lil swift SETUP for circuit ran a F#$%ken 14.7 with F^&ken -3 camber ! mofo . If your engine is a nugget then accpet it and keep driving it on the circuit. IMHO ppl with built motors are too scared to take it to 1/4 mile casue the number might be embrassing comapred to stock motors :eek::eek::eek:.
why would you not use high range rmp on a drag? what sort of rpm you should be using when doing drags then?Quote:
Originally Posted by ricki_kalsi
Easy buddy, I had a series II Rx7 12a turbo that was completely stock and would run 12.6 s all day every day..........ask any rotary driver. Look in the back of any fast fours and rotarys magazine and see how many rotary powered vehicles are listed as the fastest.Quote:
Originally Posted by k20man
If you want to race you have a choice of an LT celica with a 13b bridge port, RX4 13b turbo, series 5 rx7 13b turbo or, series 6 rx7 twin turbo type r (JDM)......let me know which you would prefer to race, because I know many of my mates would like to destroy you and your comments.
true rotary are crazy fast.
are any of the cars listed above $5000 or under??Quote:
Originally Posted by jords
he's talking about a 5000$$ built rotary motor, not the whole package...