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Hey Guyz/Galz
Just got Toda Headers, Exhaust as well as an Injen intake installed at Toda last weekend on my DC5R. My dyno result is below, overall I'm very happy wif the resultz az well az Toda's service (Adrian is a god). Really noticed a big difference in the mid-high rev range. Let me know what you'all think ...
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...m_one/Dyno.jpg
Peace
how much all up did u pay including the service?
i paid $1700 or something i think.
1050 for headers, cat was like 250 and 250 for sway bar and 100 for fitted and b4 n after dyno.
what exhaust do you have?
so is this with just the headers, catback and intake... still running stock ECU?
thats decent for just bolt ons... makes getting a ECU kinda pointless :p
I paid 3300 for the lot.. headers, toda exhaust, high flow cat, ep3 sway bar, injen and fitting (and dyno).
The dyno result is just from these mods, dunno how it compares to otha ppl but personally im satisfied!
I have the headers and exhaust, but have a mugen intake and kpro and mine makes 138kw at the wheels. So you are doing quite well.
so u got toda exhaust? toda headers and toda cat? with an injen
made 130kw atw? prettty good i say, thats prolly the ktatw a typeS makes with similar mods
im a noob reading these. what was the difference on stock to new setup?
i take it as the redline is the stock power and the other two are after dyno runs.
hmmm, yeh i guessed that part, but what i meant was the kw difference.. goping by graph save to say 18kw difference?
sorry for not being clear
stock DC5r should be running around the 115-120kw at the wheels mark.
The curve on the graph also looks good to... its good to see the vtec is smoother then stock.
So a 10-15kw gain from just intake and exhuast is awesome... imagine what it would be like with a ECU and a decent tune :o
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Originally Posted by 45SET
how did you make a conclusion that a stock would be 115-120kw atw?
wouldnt it really matter where it was dynoed?
he got i/h/e which 18kw is a reasonable difference right? with a kpro that should boost an extra 10-20kw?
Well.. from what everyone tells me a stock DC5R should be runnin around the 105 - 110kw mark. I was runnin 111 kw stock before all the mods (which I was very happy with!).
The blue line is the dyno result without the injen (so just toda headers, cat and toda exhaust) and i got roughly around the 127kw
i didn't get a chance to dyno my car stock! although yeh from what i can see average is 105-110kw ALTHOUGH it really does matter where you get it dynoed..
i did mine on bels garage which i got 120kw atw with BC headers, cuistom cat, rm01a catback and gruppem intake
Hey Xpo2ed..
get ur car dyno'd at Toda and see what you get?
However I really recommend Toda products .. top stuff!
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Originally Posted by XP02ED
cause mine was dynoed at 116kw when it was stock.
that and they have a claimed 147KW from the factory... so a 20-25kw drivetrain loss (being FWD) is quiet reasonable.
But yes... dyno would also matter... but for argument sake i just stuck with 115-120kw.
If he got a ECU you would expect the power to go up to around the mid to high 140's... so only a 10-15kw gain... but the power would be across the entire power band... not just around the top end, so at the end of the day would make the most of the mods already performed.
P.S. i day my car got dyno's (at a all honda dyo day) there was several other DC5r's... and they where running around the figure they "should" have been getting with the mods they had done.
It is really pointless comparing dyno figures from different dynos from different days. The most important is looking at the lines on your graph which is atm looking good.
I was at the 2007 Perth autosalon bout a month ago and all the dc5 type R stock but with injen intake were getting 110-118kw at the wheels. Yeh so I guess thats da sorta power u can squeeze from the stock Rs.
That's GOOD gains:thumbsup:
Gota love TODA headers:p
I got 134kw on DC5S Toda headers/high flow cat/Toda exhaust with Apexi sri.
strange...your car should be making atleast 145+ kws atws.
look at all those stock k20 EG's with similar mods. :rolleyes:
gratz on the gains shane!
adrian told me about your car ... i was at toda the day after and pulled 134.5kw
145kw+ hmmm....
Nice results :thumbsup:
are you thinking about the blue DC5R's?Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR Lover
first one was stock but with GruppeM intake, it did 111kw
and mine (on sunday) did 122kw with GruppeM & FGK Powergetter.
mine had previously done 107kw completely stock.
again weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by matt
i wonder how people with eg's who transplant a completly stock k20 in and pump out 140kws-ish atw on the dyno....
must be the lighter chassis on the dyno thats juicing that extra 40kws :rolleyes:
they have smaller wheels..
same gearbox, LSD, driveshafts, wheels etc???Quote:
Originally Posted by z3lda
IF not, explains the difference.
negative, the difference is that most the K'd civics are tuned by DynoDave.Quote:
Originally Posted by z3lda
ie "tuned"
and power to weight...
Nice increase :thumbsup: i have an S with full toda system and gruppe-m... have kpro ready to go once i get a tune i will let u know the increase u get from kpro and good tune :thumbsup:
ie DC5R's are slow.
does that count on a dyno?Quote:
Originally Posted by MRK20A
wouldnt the most difference be the wheels it will be running? ie smaller
no it doesnt
i don't follow you son...Quote:
Originally Posted by mikul_ha
they make the dyno power and back it up with solid mph and ET.
Thanx m8.. let me know how u wentQuote:
Originally Posted by Mattski_VTIR
Would their be a 'healthy' increase if I added an ecu? Adrian told me that unless I do cams its not worth getting an ecu with my current mods.. apparently I'm only guna get 5-8 kw more max..
However.. cams + ecu im lookin at 150 kw
mphs and et is fine. there's no questioning that. more power, lighter chassis.
but it doesnt change the fact that a tuned dc5r makes less power
than a tuned eg k20 on the dyno..........right..
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Originally Posted by Type_Shane
and that was his advice? gees.... the difference you'll experience with DynoDave tuning is night and day. And i'm not just talking about peak power, it's through out the rev range.
Mattski_Vtir will get his dc5 tuned soon by Dave. He can come back and tell you guys if it was worth it or not.
who are u comparing us dc5R's too?Quote:
Originally Posted by z3lda
From what i see. the EG k20's all have KPRO or some aftermarket ECU and tuned.. and hitting 140-150kw..
Us DC5R/S s are hitting 120-130kw (depending on dyno) with a full exhaust system and intake.. NO ECU or tune..
correct me if im wrong on the dc5R/S's are hitting 130kw with an ECU and tune.. if so thats low :S
are you comparing jdm k20's to audm k20's?Quote:
Originally Posted by z3lda
adams egk20 ran a 13.9 with the stock ecu, and 12.7 after dave fiddled with the tune. with stock cams...Quote:
Originally Posted by Type_Shane
blows the cam theory out of the water hey ;)
type_shane, are you ricky's brother?
My Stock S did 124 at Bels
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Originally Posted by XP02ED
Nope.. no idea who Rick isQuote:
Originally Posted by XP02ED
all good, thought ur my mates brothers who just bought an R...
EL_dc5, i aint gna compare your results to mine, got a figure of before and after?
i assume most of the eg swaps are with jdm k20s therefore im comparing it with jdm dc5rsQuote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
i don't know of any local dc5's with jdm k20's to compare... but common sense should really kick in about now....Quote:
Originally Posted by z3lda
Ahh Is the Engine a AU K20 from a R or From an S because the S has the JDM Type R CAms = more agressive cams,
Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
most EG swaps have aftermarket ECUs..
the dc5's you are comparing it too have standard bolt ons i/h/c with no ecu YET>. unlesss u can specify whos dc5 u comparing the outputs too?
theres some dc5R's whos hit 170kwatw.. from memory.. he posted it on all motors before.. although he did quite abit
LOL Agreed
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Originally Posted by ginganggooly
Well my DC5R had simple add-on I/H/E without any ecu or tuning so I'm sure it would make quite a bit more (20-25 kw) if I didQuote:
Originally Posted by z3lda
And I think ur talkin bout a JDM K20 (as noted by a few otha ppl)...
:cool: :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
he didnt do 170 man. its a dynopack graph. which means its at the hub not wheels. they quoted him 150+ kwatwQuote:
Originally Posted by XP02ED
ah yeh :
http://ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66608
my bad! although did he have an ECU? not listed? well that i can see?
150kwatw sounds good
why haven't I seen any fast all motor dc5r times? they are not running or just not performing?
i would say money is an issue... esp spending 25-30k on the car :S
are the some of the EG's being done on hub dynos possibly?
but JDM K20A plus Kpro is gonna be putting out way more power than a K20A2 with stock ECU.
i cant recall seeing a dyno of K20A2 with only Kpro..
hmm i was reading on hondatech that james from hondata got 120 ish with just kpro and a custom hondata airbox?
Why is everyone caring about power output? Take the car to the track and see what MPH is does. Dyno's are used as a tuning tool not to compare power figures.
They set their car up and have it tuned for the circuit. Drags are no good :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
Dyno's are the worlds most accurate form of theoretical racing.
Where have you been for the last 5 years fatboyz????
Some of our customers results on the drag strip...
JDMyard EG Civic K20A 12.38 @ 109.51 - Version 1
JDMyard EG Civic K20A 12.47 @ 108.72 - Version 2
BADHBT DC2 K20A 12.70 @ 109.00
TOPONE Civic K24 12.80 @ 106.00
Jason DC2R B18C 12.90 @ 103.00
Darren EK4 B18C 13.10 @ 105.00
Paul EG6 B16A 13.60 @ 99.00 - std engine
It's clear to see with the poor times & low mph that these cars are powered by theoretical "Toda watts"
good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
Lets keep ANY negative or non constructive comments ot of ozhonda plz.
Also lets keep ALL dyno readouts OUT UNLESS there is a comparison from the same day on the same dyno. All other printouts mean little. 1/4 mile or track times mean results :D
..and a 1:55.09 @ Eastern Creek from a 1.6l EG Civic that was in street trim with a Toda Tuned Engine...Circuit isn't too bad as well hey.. :-)
Hey Mods,
Can you please close this thread.. got the feedback I needed (and more)