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Hey guys i found out that the new lancers have almost the same price range as Civic FDs and i think their specs are better. 2.0L Mivec, knee airbags, active stability and traction control etc. And the VRX model has 18 inch alloy and its only 28,990 rrp. I think mitsubishi is trying to compete with honda but they have the upperhand with the specs. the interior is awesome. was trying to convince my friend to get a civic but after he saw the new lancer he wants to get it so badly haha.
New lancer is ok... the front looks good... but the rear looks like a big fat arse.
me not like the lancer interior... -_-"
me like civic interior FTW :p
I'd say get your friend to test drive both and see which one he likes better. I'm partial to the Lancer. hehe.
Took a test drive last November ( also tried the new Subaru hatch) but didn't like very much. Argeed abt the back end of the new Lancer, ugly is the word :D. Apart from the VSC, the new Civic is much better car imho.
Yea for some reason the lancer is starting to take my vote even tho i own a civic lol.
New lancer specs are much better, at the end of the day ill go for the one who is faster, im guessing our civics.
new lancer has 113kW so im guessing that their pretty close
lancer - better than civic sport sorry! the auto has 6-speeds (in manual mode) and paddle shifters. the rear end aint ugly!
the lancer is a very big improvement over the last one!
What does the closure of the Adelaide plant that only manufactures the local Mitsubishi 380 got anything to do with the Japanese imported Lancer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nato
even mitsubishi lancer's spec is better.. , Civic fd has a better design..and i beleive that quality and brand recognition for Honda better than Mitsubishi.. like SONY LCDand samsung LCD .. most of sony lcd will more expensive compare to samsung Lcd coz brand and quality recognition , this just my opinion anyway ..;)
When the Lancer specs came out I was amazed at how great they are and thought they would blow everything else out of the market... until I went and sat in one and drove it.
Especially in the lower specced cars (i.e. not the VRX), it's really not very impressive. The transmission is supposed to be amazing at maximising the performance of the engine, yet the car still felt sluggish. If anything, it made me feel like I was driving one of those old school "floaty" Holden family sedans. Then you realise the interior is really crap- especially things like the stability control button (kudos for including stability control though).
Anyhow, without going into a long winded pointless argument, what sounds good on paper, doesn't always translate into a good car. And then not everyone has the same ideals as to what a good car entails.
It's like England.. sure, theyve got the best soccer players on paper.. but where are they for Euro 08 ?
....lol... as per 99% of this thread: Civic > Lancer y0
Mivec.. hAHAHAHAHHAa.. Vtec all the way..
this was actually a major debate for me about a month ago.. I decided to go for the new lancer simply because it offers much more value for roughly the same $$$
I do still love Honda's but in the real world with certain budget I just can't justify buying a new Civic Vti-L over the new Lancer VR. I still have and love my EG, but the Lancer is a better drive compared to the FD imo ( I drove both extensively before buying ) hence the decision on buying it.
I agree on the brand recognition that Honda > Mitsu , but to say that the lancer feels sluggish is simply saying that the Civic feels worse. They are both by no means a sports car but with bigger engine, the Lancer feels more responsive than the Civic.
As for the interior, the Civic feels somehow cramped due to massive dash which also gives me trouble checking oncoming traffic when I wanted to make turns. Also I dont quite like the grey plastic they use in the Civic. Civic does have bigger capacity boot and better view from the rear view mirror, while Lancer's rear view mirror is next to useless and the boot isn't quite as big. And I like the flat rear floor of the Civic.
However, the overall value of the Lancer is far better when you add in auto headlamp, rain sensing wipers, 7 airbags, 2.0L 113kw engine, and in my case free sunroof.. the price quoted after haggling for the Vti-L at the time was $27,099 with all the usual stuff (carpet, tint, full tank of petrol, 3yr warranty) and the Lancer was $27,199 with sunroof, carpet, tint, 5yr warranty and 5yr NRMA roadside assist..
I was actually considering both a FD1 or a Lancer VRX at one stage, only reason was that i chose the FD1 is for the finishes and quality and with the Lancer i reckon its a bit cheap and plastic
even tho lancer has a new shell.. they devalue like their is no tomorrow...
the fd has retained its value pretty well.. for a 2nd hand.. ur still looking at over 20k...
hmmm the lancer does have better features.
love the front but the back looks like a busted arse!
That is very true ... very good point made.Quote:
Originally Posted by warwick108
specs on paper dont really mean much. a while back there was a comparison between mirage cyborg ZR and civic Si-R where the mirage was more powerful and lighter, but was still slower. here is the link for it
http://asia.vtec.net/side/cyborg/
So does the new lancer beat a FD1 in acceleration to 80/100kmh? I'd assume so... but then again apparently the FD1 gets up to 100 quicker than the FD2 (atleast aus spec).. weight being a factor apparently... then the torque of the 2lt lets the FD2 beat it beyond somewhere near 100km/h.
I may have misinformation.
dunno abt lancer, but with FD1 & FD2... I've tested it a VTI-L auto vs Sports Auto... for the first 2-3 seconds theyre equal, then the VTI-L leading for the next 2 secs and then the Sports catching up after the 3rd gear and when it goes 4th gear the VTI-L driver can see the Sports fuel tank cap (he drives on the left of the sports)Quote:
Originally Posted by markCivicVti
^_^
but with the lancer, somehow i would like to test the Ralliart version (if its out in Oz)
i would assume the vti-l being the slowest of all the fds?
because its got the same engine as the vti.. but with more stuff?
air bags.. cd change.. climate control..??
hahahah sooooo true!Quote:
Originally Posted by warwick108
the added weight of all the extra features the vti-L has combined would still be so minimal as to only have a minute impact on performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by warwick108
how much weigh will cd changer and climate control add to your car acceleration?Quote:
Originally Posted by warwick108
I think it would be almost zero..
well u can say its close to zero.. be realistic.. lets say around 20kg?..
so.. the vti still must be faster.. cause its lighter.. not faster by much.. but still faster.. =)
Isn't it statistically proven that people on lower incomes typically have unhealthier diets and are more prone to obesity/overweight? So therefore, if you were to inappropriately apply that here- the people who are cheap and buy the VTi must therefore be heavier/fatter than those who afford the VTi-L and thus this balances it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by warwick108
</politically incorrect post>
On a serious side; how about the steelies?
There are 4 important areas that Mitsubishi will never match Honda:-
1: Build Quality
2: Reliability
3: Resale Value
4: Econnomy
why would poor ppl... be fatter? wouldnt you think poor people cant afford food? and actually be skinnier?
one important thing about mitsubullshit, engine is not reliable
except the evo :D because its fast
I remember reading about this back in Geography (back in year10 or something) that people with less disposable income are more likely to pick cheaper foods to eat, and that the cheaper foods are more likely to be unhealthier, fattier, processed more, McDonalds, etc... as opposed to wealthier people who are more likely to indulge in healthier eating habits such as fish and fruits.Quote:
Originally Posted by warwick108
Can't remember the article but I'm pretty sure this has been covered many times... I even recall seeing an article in Time Magazine not that long ago where they had photos of different families and all the food that they had consumer during a single week.
Atm I'm watching Biggest Loser on Ch10 *gasp* (I was eating dinner and needed something to entertain me!) and it made me realise that just having one of these guys in my mere Civic was enough to add 7 to 10% of the car's mass! If you were to take a few, your car could be upto 400kg++ heavier! Ouch for the engine. (Note: I'm not taking a swipe at the contestants- they have guts to do this on national TV, and kudos for trying to improve their health/image, but I'm just making the reference to people who do everything they can to shave a kilogram here and there off a car's mass in modifications; but then go and eat McDonalds and Mi Goreng to the point where they gain more weight!)
You missed SEXINESS. ps. I'm not biased :)Quote:
Originally Posted by buddah51au
LOL @ the Evo comment.
Looks don't count for me as much as the 4 very important areas i listed.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaCe
If people brought cars just on looks the old VW beetle would never have been as successful as it was.
In years past Mitsubishi have always had a problem with the mechanical longevity of there cars (maybe there has been the odd exception), on the other hand Honda are renowned for there longevity.
haha i was joking- of course it's not that important, but it definitely has an impact on the other variables you mentioned.
most ppl that own hondas are asians. how fat can we get?.. lol..
i drink a beer a day..and I'm a skinny mf.. lol
i have owned several Honda's and i am definitely not asian..........lol
Drive did a comparision between the new Lancer and its main rivals. Lancer came third behind the Ford Focus and Mazda 3. It was the quickest car in the group but was let down by its cheap and noisy interior. Oh well, at least its much better than the interior in the previous Lancer lol.
http://http://www.drive.com.au/Edito...eID=45795&vf=7
judge by the features, looks like lancer has more than fd
judge by power, i think would be the same even lancer got 2.0 engine.
remember, Honda (VTEC) is unique engine.ie. Land Cruiser 100 got 4.5 V6 engine produce only 165 kw but MDX only 3.5 V6 produce 195Kw.:thumbsup:
judge by model,both looks ok. FD (front + rear) sweet:thumbsup:
Lancer rear end remind me to lexus IS
lancer front end, u can mods to be evo X shark nose (current trend style- evo/GTR/R8)
or may be u want mods FD front end with shark nose looks ???:cool:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...2022008036.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...2022008035.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...2022008034.jpg
O wow... i wasn't expecting that at the end of the post...
Mugen skirt + Phat Front End... interesting...
Where did u get this from..?
Err. Lancer.
Give me a Honda anyday.
if thasts not the worst looking fd.. then i dont know what is..
Agreed.
Here is something more tasteful...
http://news.windingroad.com/wp-conte...roto002-sm.jpg
http://www.topgear.com/content/news/...es/1/large.jpg
Comparissons anyone?
lancer front is pretty sick
but the back is terrible lol...
Indeed the evo front looks mean as a evo should look like. Although the rear looks like something an old man would drive.
But the fd2r is goooooodd all over.. =]
I was very very asshamed today!!! When we stop behind this car in the middle of the rain, my fiance ask "what car is it?" and point to a few car stopped infront of us. and I say "new Lancer" and then we skip passed it, it was an ALFA ROMEO!!!! really looks alike from the back!!!
look at the lap times.Quote:
Originally Posted by NSPYRE
that comparison was so close it was up to the drivers.
Gansan (Kurosawa)was driving the EK4 and that says alot.
Before he retired he was one of the best drivers on Best Motoring.
Cyborg cup cars in Australia managed to do 1:10 around Wakefield park with untouched internals.
i have to say the new lancer is very impressive.
obviously its no FD typeR but we arent comparing that.
lol @ the fd which had sex with a lancer and then got confused and stuck a GTR badge on the front. XD so
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Originally Posted by dmx
LOL very interesting. Looks like it's "hovering" in the 2nd pic- very futuristic and reminds me back when the new "GTR Prototype" was around (i.e. gran turismo and various other video games). I think it's a tad OTT for a humble Civic but at least there are more 'aggressive' bodykits out there.
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Originally Posted by dmx
OMG u have all seen it here first, the worst looking civic EVER! i cant believe anyone would bloody do that. horrid!
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Originally Posted by warwick108
worst ??? dont agree 'til u see THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:zip::wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...724232634m.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...724232945m.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...724233913m.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...726133804m.jpg
na.. the black is better.. the black front lip actually kinda looked like a murcielargo.. dont u agree? the back is way over done tho.. =S
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Originally Posted by dmx
yeah thats one of the thai civic,
yeah over done imo :P lambo stylez
The front has potential, the back looks hot with the quad exhuast but not the rear diffuser thing in the middle.
With a bit of tweaking i think this kit could work. :)
OMG... put them all to sleep.... :(
I want to throw up :eek:
Anyways, doesn't the fd have more torque though?
what rims does that black civic have? they are exactly the same as the fd2r
er... so different... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by warwick108
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlif.../323632/p1.jpg
Here's my daily drive CJ lancer after 2 months of ownership.. sold my ES civic, but still got the EG for my project..
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...059_resize.jpg
yuk.. thats disgusting.. it has a mitsubishi bag.. ewww.. lol.. jk..jk..
i dont mind the lancers front but one thing couple have been different....
the fact it doesnt have a bumper
i would have liked to have seen it all the bottom end of the front bar from the top
of where a bumper should be all set 'out' from the rest not flush anymore