hey guys, might b getting an eg soon and just wondering what engine to get..anyone wanna help n give ideas between h22a and b18c
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hey guys, might b getting an eg soon and just wondering what engine to get..anyone wanna help n give ideas between h22a and b18c
dont wanna join the "search the forum" bandwagon, but if u search u will c conversions especially in EG's have been covered a trillion times..
but just to give u a slight hand, u should tell us wat your goals are, wat your budget is, where are u located and wat kind of EG are u getting...
budget is under 6k..1995 GLi hatchback..in Western australia..
probly the B series conversion would suit your budget more, H series probly need 2 dig deeper ito your pocket... and parts are harder 2 find aswell i belive....
ohh okss..cheers man
still i reccomend just searching, and im sure sum others will help u in this thread later on in the day.
You'll find that a H22a is cheaper to purchase compared to B18C's, & you get more power & torque, i know which 1 I'd be picking.
Can't comment on installation cost's as im a DIY'er.
H22a all the way... owned 1... excellent combination in the EG :thumbsup:
Ignore the "handling rumors" some people crap on about too. (DC2 is your friend)
search the forums, but id go the B18.
oh yeh..was tinkn h22 but alot of ppl say the parts r hard to find
yeah dude, ive only ever seen it done in an EK.
they are good engine, but parts are a whole lot harder to find yeah.
its your call i guess.
whats making you want the b18? i got b16 with extractors and exhaust and i stay with most cars, unless they running a really high amount of boost lol.
^^ where are u located?
H22a parts ain't hard to find... wtf?
for the engine h22a is generally cheaper.. more work goes into it though as you need to cut into the chasis or something and you need different mounts so possibly labour adds up more. b18c pretty much straight bolt on if u got an efi eg civic engine more exp.. saves on labour compared to h22a. depends what you want out of the car! =]
western australia..
People get your information right on H22a conversion before giving this guy wrong answers...
Found this for only $1700 without mounts (i'd get Hasport or Innovative)
http://firesport.ipspace.com/?sectio...=show&id=97275
H22 definately gives u the torque and power, but because EG is already light at the back, heavy at the front, hence easy to spin out at fast corner. now u wanna put in a extreme heavy H22, it will make the car even easier to spin. well u can get a good set of coil to solve it.
WA is a place every one into nissan and holden, took me a while to find a place selling b18c, and install was more expensive than eastern state.
labour definately kills u with the H22. my convertion with a EG b18c nonR with a carby into EFI costs $3000, including fix the break master.
b18c nonR half cut in perth selling $4400, type R selling $6000.
if u want, u should go and talk to VisionR, that guy there doing a K20 convertion onto a EK, sick......
but yeah, 6k wont even get u b18c nor h22, u should go for b16a with that budget....
H22 doesn't weight THAT much more that the B-series engines. I believe without going back and looking there is something like 25lbs difference.
I am doing the H swap into my sedan at the moment and have only found certain aftermarket items harder and more expensive for the 2.2 But if I was going to go stock then I would definately choose the H. Will give the car a much better feeling for the money spent.
I can't comment of cost as I am in new zealand
Thought it was around 25lbs difference too.
only 25 lbs difference compare to H22 and b18c??? no way
400cc bigger in the engine
completely different set up, it look a lot more heavy
o i for got also u might need to change the exhaust and header in order to fit(correct me if i am wrong)
so much customise into H
yeh h22 wld b stock if i was to get it, mayb just extractors, air intake and exhaust
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connorling
H22 definately gives u the torque and power, but because EG is already light at the back, heavy at the front, hence easy to spin out at fast corner. now u wanna put in a extreme heavy H22, it will make the car even easier to spin. well u can get a good set of coil to solve it.
WA is a place every one into nissan and holden, took me a while to find a place selling b18c, and install was more expensive than eastern state.
labour definately kills u with the H22. my convertion with a EG b18c nonR with a carby into EFI costs $3000, including fix the break master.
b18c nonR half cut in perth selling $4400, type R selling $6000.
if u want, u should go and talk to VisionR, that guy there doing a K20 convertion onto a EK, sick......
but yeah, 6k wont even get u b18c nor h22, u should go for b16a with that budget....
HAHAHA wtf.Quote:
connorling
only 25 lbs difference compare to H22 and b18c??? no way
400cc bigger in the engine
completely different set up, it look a lot more heavy
o i for got also u might need to change the exhaust and header in order to fit(correct me if i am wrong)
so much customise into H
H v B v D Weight argument settled by the SCALES
35LB increase = 15KG. thats buggerall. you can definently live with that.
u dont need to change the headers but you will need to get a custom exhaust made up. who really wants to run the stock eg exhaust on a h ? and the headers are longer than the stock eg exhaust as well.
a 15kg weight increase in the front of an eg, i dont really think thats gonna make a big difference. h22a conversion is perhaps the same weight as most ppl that convert dont run p/s or a/c. so that'll probs wack 15kg back to stocko.
dont let weight phase you out!
The only real custom bits you need (not including sussy) are axles, mounts, pre-made wiring harness if you don't wanna graft them & performance exhaust.
Or you can use a OEM H22a header on your standard exhaust or get a cat-back.
H2B solves most of your transmission issues, or you are gonna have to cut a new section out for the floor to accept the H22a trans.
and also, i dont think u have enought space for the A/C, i have read it on the net once with an EG H22A, goes nuts but no A/C and P/S due to the space
but i am sure u can get customise one
at the end of the day, if u have the money, u can even put a V8 in it or mid engine nut civic, only if u have the money
Or just get the turbo d16 Built engine :p on the sale section from Weq LOL !!!
definetly make more power and bolt straight in.. well just suggestion though..
You can pickup the h22a engine for very cheap... if you are going to go b18.. you might as well go b18c7 and that's a little bit just more than your budget.. If I was you, I'd go straight for the h22a.. im pretty sure you can source most of the parts from around the forums anyway, just might take a bit of time.
The engine is, much, much cheaper though. My mate just picked up a vtec h22a for $2450... just have to look around... the torque is nice =]...
Personally, I prefer b series.
If your really serious about owning a B18c EG.
Then send me a msg and ill take ya for a spin in my so you can see what its all about.
Ill be leaving the country next year so if save your self the hassle and some $$ then your welcome to make an offer for my..
Has a few extra things you wont get with a SiR-G front cut
what do u have on urs????? havent seen ur car around tho, red EG with b18c ummmm............. where do u drive around usually???Quote:
Originally Posted by locote
buy that just the block, what about the whole engine?????? H22 definately look a lot bigger than b18, header, intake manifold, actual housing of the block....weight difference???Quote:
Originally Posted by imratedpg
B18 FTW!!!! when working on civics the enthesis is on Light weight....
use the lightest engine... H22A's are heavy!!!! but are definatly cheaper...
both are excellent combinations anyway... it would be good any combination..
Black EG...
pm me i know a guy selling h22B for 600.................
Hermmm....
with all the goods to make it run or on its own..
just the block
dude READ the link properly. if you read it in full the thread saysQuote:
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Originally Posted by imratedpg View Post
HAHAHA wtf.
H v B v D Weight argument settled by the SCALES
35LB increase = 15KG. thats buggerall. you can definently live with that.
u dont need to change the headers but you will need to get a custom exhaust made up. who really wants to run the stock eg exhaust on a h ? and the headers are longer than the stock eg exhaust as well.
a 15kg weight increase in the front of an eg, i dont really think thats gonna make a big difference. h22a conversion is perhaps the same weight as most ppl that convert dont run p/s or a/c. so that'll probs wack 15kg back to stocko.
dont let weight phase you out!
buy that just the block, what about the whole engine?????? H22 definately look a lot bigger than b18, header, intake manifold, actual housing of the block....weight difference???
H block: 123
B block: 104
difference = 19LB (8.6kg)
H trans: 96
B trans: 90
difference = 6 LB (2.7kg)
and then the thread author goes on to say H head is 10LB(4.5kg) heavier than a B head .
thus TOTAL difference = 35LB (15KG)
the thread author goes onto saydude they're still both four cylinders. you could make a b18c a 2litre or maybe a 2.1litre not too sure and would that make it weigh a hell lot more than a normal b18c ? answer is no.Quote:
As for the rest of the crap... who cares. Intake manifolds are light for any motor and come in different flavors, same with headers and all that BS. Accessories are up to the owner of the car. Everything else hardly applies... flywheels are up to the user, axles, clutch, aluminum or steel oilpans, etc etc all this shit is up to the owner of the car so that crap doesnt need to be part of the comparison.
what is this ?what do u mean by that ?Quote:
actual housing of the block....
if you go down the B path, go LSVTEC! b20 block & b16 head!
h22a eg is definently bang for your buck! you can get a setup just under $5grand depending on the parts you use. but with b18c series, i doubt u'd go b18c2 (in dc2 vti-r) and if you go the b18c7 then your definently spending atleast 6grand for a cheap halfcut/engine.
My recommendation is B18c.
H22a to much headache.. save yourself the hassle and do a B-series conversion
i have a h22a in an eg and if i had the choice again i would of went with the JDM b18cR.
Easier to work on (eg. changing water pump and timing belt) and has the same power and better gearing. Just less torque. Plus you can keep a/c and p/s without any problems.
^^ you can keep p/s & a/c on a H22a conversion... Just have to make or purchase the right brackets.
I'm not trying to rubbish a b18c or anything but IMHO H22a conversion out ways a b18c conversion.
Most people put coil overs/spings & ITR LCA's etc in EG anyway which will support the added weight.
If you want raw N/A power = H22a
Go for a spin a H22a EG 1st then decide.
Who's got one in MELB thought that would take me for a spin because I don't wanna go to WA!
if you were a capable diy person id go with h22 but doesnt sound like you are, i recommend a b18 then :thumbsup:
start reading and researching man, swapped hondas are pretty common nowadays. :thumbsup:
egSi what happened to you man, you yousta be cOol ?
your section in the traders was awesome. no online store atm ?
lol ^ pm sent mate :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kayot1k
If this is a road use car, it's there a legality issue concerning the increase to 2.2L in OZ? Increase %
My friend has just completed his B18C type R swap into his and imo it is very responsive, I can't imagine wanting any more power from a road goin civic, it has run very good times at QR and is very reliable. Mind u he has the car mildly stripped and a full cusco cage, his base however was the vti eg which did save a headache or two, lol.
Do keep us posted on what u choose to do, and some pics please
He would need an engineers report for either motor....
Well here in WA that is
i have b18cR, b18c with installation... did you pm me on another forums about this? :eek:
isnt b series more fuel economic as well
youll find way more b series parts on this forum then h so its not a matter of h series are hard to find .. jus b series are way more common
Yea same in QLD, it's just the % increase that DOT allows from memory will not allow a 2.2L in a Civic, any where, legally that is :DQuote:
Originally Posted by locote
yeh on wahonda i pm'd u
There're heaps of H22A civics. tegs around in AUS legally. As long as you follow the guide lines and have the right contacts the law issues are no dramas. If you in Vic and serious about doing a swap contact Modproject they're doing my EK h22 swap and to be honest i cant ask for a better helps and workman ship. the down side is they very busy and you gonna have to wait for a while :)
be different h22it! every eg nowadays is goin b18
Would have taken u for a spin for sure, thing was awsome :), sold it though awhile back & the new owner stacked it not long after i sold :(.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightKids
heard it was also sold in parts :thumbdwn:
I miss that car... :o f*^king young bloke who bought it :thumbdwn:
if your worried about the extra weight in the front why not relocate the battery to the back. and if its a street car you got the perfect excuse to put a stereo in there too. its not gonna be hard to cancel out the effects of an extra 20 kilos in the front. especially if your taking the battery out of there.
IMO.
Go the H22a, Bseries engines are very popular and are more expensive. You should be able to pick up a H22a for alot cheaper then a b18c. And you can get lots of aftermarket parts for them... Plus you will get much more torque from a H then any factory B.
like i said... my vote for the H. had 2 friends Run H22s in civics and they were torque machines. Only problems i herd of was breaking CVs and make sure you get proper Hasport/Innovative Mounts (dont try modify your standard mounts).
PM Honda_B_Blastin... or do a search, he did a extensive writeup on his H22a EG conversion
H22 in an eg is one of the best bang for your buck conversions these days,i love my b16 and i prefer driving it rather than a h22 because of the b16 revvvvvvv factor.
but if its outright power and torque your after,h22 is good value.depends if you want torque with power lower down (h22) or high end scream power (b series)
good luck sourcing a h22a unless you get 1 from japan
Last time I looked there where a few on here, and at other wreckers etc here in OZ?Quote:
Originally Posted by fusionprelude
yeh i came aross a jdm h22a (type r) uknow the ones thats comes from the euro R at honbits they were selling it for 4k for the halfcut but if u asked just 4 the block it would proz be cheper
but yeh it should be ez to find a h22a lying around sumwhere