Honda Integra Type R Problem!

Hey people,

Bought my car approximately 3 weeks ago, got an NRMA Inspection before I purchased the vehicle to make sure everything was in working order..

After owning it for the time period, I noticed smoke blowing out of the exhaust, I didnt think much of it.. just needed a service and new oil...

The car is burning a couple of litres of oil every week, which im topping up...

The mechanic I spoke to said "its ****ed"....the problem could be valve rings, oil rings...

The car still goes how its s'pose to go..

Can anyone help...OR offer suggestions

Was it compression tested?
Any visible oil on the engine or around it?
Got a photo of the engine?

rear main leaking maybe? generally the rings dont go on our cars, thats generally tho.

try another mechanic. Some mechs are just terrible and tell falsify everything.

No leaks anywhere near the engine nor on the floor of my garage... so No the car doesn't leak oil whatsoever.

a couple of liters a week?>??????????
thats way too much..............take the car to a reputable mechanic who knows his hondas and get them to do a comp test and leak down test............

good luck

If its puffing smoke and burning litres of oil quickly I'd definately get it checked out asap.

Dont wanna stuff up your engine any more.

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Originally Posted by absolutR

rear main leaking maybe? generally the rings dont go on our cars, thats generally tho.

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Rear main leaking?

Make much sense?

you run it with no oil? my mates jdm r doing the same thing cause he ran the car with no oil...

is it blowing smoke only after u sit at traffic lights for abit or is it doing it all the time. to be burning that much oil and not leaking anywhere it sounds like it could be the oil rings

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Originally Posted by Chi

If its puffing smoke and burning litres of oil quickly I'd definately get it checked out asap.

Dont wanna stuff up your engine any more.



Rear main leaking?

Make much sense?

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yeah rear main seal.

yeah the car wasnt compression tested through the NRMA..

I got an bookin on saturday for an inspection...

what should i specifically ask the mechanic to check??

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Originally Posted by absolutR

rear main leaking maybe? generally the rings dont go on our cars, thats generally tho.

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Completely Untrue, the B18C is notorious for oil ring failure (not compression ring). Pretty much the only reason why the B-series becomes thirsty for oil after 250,000kms.

Depending where you live, i can recommend a mechanic that rebuilt my engine for me and did a damn good job and was competetively priced.

Secondly, as mentioned earlier if the car is blowing smoke while accelerating then most likely it is your piston rings (oil and/or compression). If its only blowing smoke after sitting in your garage or sitting at traffic lights it is most likely your valve stem seals.

Although 2 litres a week is most likely rings, not seals. Obviously the smoke the car is producing is blue not black?

A compression test will more than likely not tell you anything that is completely conclusive. If your oil rings are gone, the compression / power production will be very close to what is expected, if its compression rings your car will be loosing alot of power and run sluggish.

Oil rings are a common problem in the B-Series engine. In my opinion it sounds like your oil rings are gone in two or more cylinders.

Something that you can do for now is inspect your spark plugs and check if they're fouled, or very black. (The spark point will be covered with sludge and be a dark black colour if your oil rings are gone).

To give you an idea of cost if it goes either way....Around $400-600 if its valve stem seals including labour(very cheap if your mechanically competent)....and about $3000 mark for a rebuild (mine was for a VTi-R) included pistons compression/oil rings, teflon or coating of somesort to internals ( i forget exactly what it was), machined head/flywheel, 3 Angle Valve Job, OEM Gasket kit including head gasket, IM gasket, exhaust gasket etc...... and they will be able to tell you alot about your engine and what condition everything else is in.

Goodluck.

Regards,
Andrew

couple of litres a week? damn........ time for a rebuild.

thankyou andrew. your help is greatly appreciated. yes the car is blowing blue/white smoke and its actually spitting oil out of my exhaust as the rear of my car has proven to me. but the smoke is only noticable/visible while i accelerate when vtec is engaged. i think you are correct in saying the source of the problem is the oil rings as im not loosing any power. ( not that im aware of anyways as ive only had the car for under a month. ) I will definatley be checking my spark plugs for "sludge" and i will keep you informed. One last thing, im still driving my car for daily use. Im not using vtec as i am afraid of damaging the engine even more, but could normal low rev driving be doing more damage or am i fine for driving it for the next couple of weeks or as soon as i can get it repaired? thankyou very much for all your help.

your vtec is leaking :/

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try takin the bus/train.
can yoo imagine pouring oil down the piston bore? n let it run?
well youll probably get a hydraulic lock, but that wont happen to you lol -.-" but another thing to keep in mind is your cat.
no, not the meowing type. the burning fuel type.
oil+cat converter+long period of driving without a fix = ?
probably will save you a couple of dosh on replacing your cat.
or you can just vtec the oil outta there when you get everything fixed =D

either way. just get it fixed asap.

two words
"hanny's"
oh wait thats only one word

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Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T

Was it compression tested?
Any visible oil on the engine or around it?
Got a photo of the engine?

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Off topic

Haha..I like your 八兩金 profile picture!!!

yay.... looks like a rebuild... because no-one opens the engine JUST to change rings. might be a good idea to sneak in some eagle rods, and i'd seriously be starting to think long term here. do you wanna look at going forced induction? you might wanna drop in some low-compression pistons or even get slightly higher compression pistons.
Might also look at re-sleeving the engine. very important
if your sleeve's are gone, then new ring's will only hold up for so long before the blow-by gets the better of them.
either way, if those pistons need new rings. then seriously start thinking forced induction & low compression or naturally aspirated & high compression.
the best stealth mods cannot be seen unless you open the engine up.
have fun

If you had it NRMA inspected and they missed something that major they are liable , id be checking with route before anything else

Check your radiator to see if there is any oil mixing in with the coolant. You'll see it floating on the top and if there is, might be a headgasket.

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Originally Posted by Jomsy

If you had it NRMA inspected and they missed something that major they are liable , id be checking with route before anything else

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this guys is correct i would do same thing, you paid them for something they f***en didn't even do properly,~ i don't know why your trying to fix the problem when there is clearly someone to blame.

however if you go to nrma they will say you did it to the car, so yer, if i was you i would probably take it to honda last resort but still check with nrma and keep hassle them!~

damn ,man ive got tha same prob. on ma dc2 chews oil instead of petti lol , i top up oil every 2 weekz n abit ,coz ye duno y ,n i hardly drive it well long distance ,too much vtecn i gues lol :p but na gota get it chekd ne clue on wat it could b coz its unusual ,cheerz

perhaps oil rings are gone

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Originally Posted by notahonda

two words
"hanny's"
oh wait thats only one word

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WTF?! It's one word... 2 syllables.

^hahah
but yeh id recomend hannys aswell. they really kno their hondas.

I think thats the way they kinda are man. I bought a dc2r around a year ago, with a complete rebuild by honda, over 6gs. Perfect job, however, it was still going through abit of oil, and the good old black stuff on the bumper. I had another dc3r b4 dat dat did d same. although i think 2L a week is too exesive, but you'd expect moderate oil comsumption in these engine.

Can anyone confirm this from their experiance?????

as far as i kno. hondas are high reving engines. and givin ur engine a betting (aka vtecing) will burn more oil than usual. as ive experienced with my vtir my bro's vtir and my dc5r now. but regardless 2L is too much oil to be burning.

NRMA. No Real Mechanic Available.
nrma are ok but not up2 standards if your gonna be spending a lot of money.
my mate got his evo8 inspected by road traffic something. can remember exactly.
and they went over eveything and when i say everything i mean everything.
thinkness of paint on panels. compression test. everything. look abt 5-7hr from memory
and was abt 400$ well worth the money.
if u wanna kno who did it exactly pm me and ill find out

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Originally Posted by Jomsy

If you had it NRMA inspected and they missed something that major they are liable , id be checking with route before anything else

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unfortunately their not as they have a disclaimer.

nrma inspections suck they always miss lemons when it comes to performance cars, their mainly holden/ford trained.

if a person doesn't know much about cars the 2 ppl you brig with you are:
- mechanical mate
- body/paint minded mate

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Originally Posted by Fuzz21

NRMA. No Real Mechanic Available.
nrma are ok but not up2 standards if your gonna be spending a lot of money.
my mate got his evo8 inspected by road traffic something. can remember exactly.
and they went over eveything and when i say everything i mean everything.
thinkness of paint on panels. compression test. everything. look abt 5-7hr from memory
and was abt 400$ well worth the money.
if u wanna kno who did it exactly pm me and ill find out

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why don't you post it, if their that great and thorough it may earn you a few +rep points :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by dsp26

why don't you post it, if their that great and thorough it may earn you a few +rep points :thumbsup:

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ok found out who exactly did it.
state road car/vehicle inspections.:thumbsup:

here is the web site too
http://www.stateroads.com.au/index.asp