Bolt on Turbo or Rebuild

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21-07-2008, 11:01 PM
mike15h

Bolt on Turbo or Rebuild

Earlier in the year i asked a commonly asked question, should i buy a second engine with lower k's? And add a bolt on turbo kit, or rebuild my own B16a still adding a turbo kit and if so which one. I was tossing up between a Greddy kit or a Revhard kit for lower performance and more reliability, basically the only difference i found between the two was the Revhard kit had a front mount setup and the price. I have a 93model crx with a b16a with 217000 kms

With a 10 grand bugget can a rebuild be possible with descent results
what do you recommend, Forged pistons, Injectors, ecu, etc and also any gearbox upgrade without complication?

(Keeping in mind it's my daily drive and require reliability!)
22-07-2008, 08:03 AM
noodles025

Hey mate you could get a rebuild and turbo kit all done with no problems for $10,000 especially if you do the annoying stuff for the engine builders like pulling out and putting back in the engine. Or check this link out for a good buy http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93420
Everything you need...
22-07-2008, 08:14 AM
[ricer]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike15h

Earlier in the year i asked a commonly asked question, should i buy a second engine with lower k's? And add a bolt on turbo kit, or rebuild my own B16a still adding a turbo kit and if so which one. I was tossing up between a Greddy kit or a Revhard kit for lower performance and more reliability, basically the only difference i found between the two was the Revhard kit had a front mount setup and the price. I have a 93model crx with a b16a with 217000 kms

With a 10 grand bugget can a rebuild be possible with descent results
what do you recommend, Forged pistons, Injectors, ecu, etc and also any gearbox upgrade without complication?

(Keeping in mind it's my daily drive and require reliability!)

why not sell your b16a and gear box for a good price and put that money with the 10k towards a k24 set up...
would be awesome...

you'd have a much newer motor
heaps of torque
and should be super reliable and make for a very good daily!
22-07-2008, 08:23 AM
IEVAQ8

i would stick with your own engine and do a rebuild, then boost it................u may need to blow that budget a little thow.............but then again, depends how far you want to go...............if the engine aint showing any signs of wear.........and is still okay, just boost it............do a full comp test and leak down test and then decide with ur builder/tuner if rebuild is required.............
thats my opinion
22-07-2008, 08:47 AM
JasonGilholme

Dean (DLO01) turbo'd his del sol when it had over 200,000k's on it. had no problems at all. Good reliable setup.

It was an avo kit i believe.
22-07-2008, 01:35 PM
mike15h

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

Dean (DLO01) turbo'd his del sol when it had over 200,000k's on it. had no problems at all. Good reliable setup.

It was an avo kit i believe.

I want a bit more performance more hoping to get around 15 psi, (dont require track times or anything) thats why i considered rebuild and also i cant find anything on avo kits. nudge in the right direction would be great
22-07-2008, 01:41 PM
JasonGilholme

stock motor (new or old) won't run 15 psi without seriously causing reliability issues.

10 ish should be your max depending on your tuner.

if you wanna go higher you'll need a forged rebuild.
22-07-2008, 08:35 PM
mike15h

Another thing is i would like to keep my a/c and p/s! someone told me about a TOPFUEL 1000 B-series bolton kit but i cant find anywhere that supplies them
22-07-2008, 08:59 PM
DLO01

Avo sell AC and PS friendly kits:
http://www.avoturbo.com/avoshop/

Also the US companies have kits that retain your AC and PS
Check out:
Peakboost
Full Race
AFI
Love Fab
etc

You need to know exactly what you want. Your motor might be fine to boost as it is and you'll get over 150kw @ wheels if its done right. You could buy a second hand B16A2 with lower kms and boost that. If your gonna build your motor it will open the doors for some awsome power and it would be a waste to use a little bolt on kit.
22-07-2008, 11:17 PM
mike15h

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLO01

Avo sell AC and PS friendly kits:
http://www.avoturbo.com/avoshop/

Also the US companies have kits that retain your AC and PS
Check out:
Peakboost
Full Race
AFI
Love Fab
etc

You need to know exactly what you want. Your motor might be fine to boost as it is and you'll get over 150kw @ wheels if its done right. You could buy a second hand B16A2 with lower kms and boost that. If your gonna build your motor it will open the doors for some awsome power and it would be a waste to use a little bolt on kit.

Yeah man thats why i need advise i dont know what path to take
i see the mechanic tomorrow have no idea what im gonna ask for.

b16a engine and gearbox are only like 1500
22-07-2008, 11:33 PM
FkjAccord

at the end of the day dude its up to how much money you want to spend
23-07-2008, 02:37 AM
Limo

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike15h

Yeah man thats why i need advise i dont know what path to take
i see the mechanic tomorrow have no idea what im gonna ask for.

b16a engine and gearbox are only like 1500

but the thing is you have no idea of what sort of life the other engine had, as with yours, you already know how it drives, what probs exist if any.

i'd just boost it as is, plenty of parts to make a good setup within your budget. also if your worried about the condition of your engine make sure its tuned rich to be on the safe side of things. the only gearbox upgrades i'd think about is a good clutch kit and maybe reco the gearbox if its playing up atm like syncros etc.otherwise stock settings is fine.

when you talk to your mech, ask them to put together a kit that they would be suitable, then brake it down into parts and decide if thats the parts "you" really need or can i go for a alternative cheaper/branded/new/used/bigger/smaller etc

i went through exactly the same process.. asking heaps and researching on what other ppl have done.
23-07-2008, 05:26 PM
mike15h

Ok so the result is. 10000 wont cover a rebuild with a descent turbo kit, clutch, pistons, etc. though if i can find someone who stocks engine rebuild kits I may be in with a chance. So lil more help guys would be appreciated. cheers
23-07-2008, 05:34 PM
noodles025

Hey mate check out www.tunertoys.com I got all my stuff from there (rods, pistons, head studs, bearings, cometic head gasket) all for about $1200 including freight. But if you do get it from there make sure you pay a little extra for freight and get them to send it in 2 packages. It'll save you being hit with duty tax (I learnt that the hard way).

But to be honest I think you could do it all for $10,000.
23-07-2008, 08:16 PM
mike15h

Quote:

Originally Posted by noodles025

Hey mate check out www.tunertoys.com I got all my stuff from there (rods, pistons, head studs, bearings, cometic head gasket) all for about $1200 including freight. But if you do get it from there make sure you pay a little extra for freight and get them to send it in 2 packages. It'll save you being hit with duty tax (I learnt that the hard way).

But to be honest I think you could do it all for $10,000.

hey thanks for the info, just wondering did you replace most of the parts with standard replacement and also did you get a turbo kit from them as well
24-07-2008, 02:56 AM
eLs6uep

10000 should easy be enough for u too do a rebuild and get a decent turbo kit..i spend less then 10k on mysetup turbo kit was 6k and my rods piston bearings headstuds cost me under 3k.. all from the states..this was like 6months back...it should be cheaper now since the aussie dollars up..and also u would need ecu and tune that be round 1k-2k depending on wat u get..
i got
afi top mount kit stage 3gt
cp pistions
acl race bearings
pauter rods
arp head studs
24-07-2008, 10:03 AM
Limbo

b-series cost more for parts and rebuilds
24-07-2008, 04:05 PM
mad89

IMO just save your 10k and sell the CRX and buy another WRX to add to your collection.

2k into a WRX would probably shit all over a CRX with 10k put into it.

Besides, you already have a worked WRX with 200kw+ at the wheels, i dont see why you need another turbo car as your 'daily'.

Just my opinion i guess.
24-07-2008, 04:08 PM
JasonGilholme

turbo hondas are ALOT of fun to drive. and they're more unique then another wrx
24-07-2008, 04:58 PM
trism

Lolwut? 19psi onto an awd car with 200kw at the treads or 10 psi into an fwd with 150 at the treads. You choose thesecond option. What happened, your balls drop off?
24-07-2008, 05:03 PM
JasonGilholme

oooo dyno figures!!! ooooo

and it would be 8psi into a FWD with 200 atw.
24-07-2008, 05:03 PM
DLO01

Everyone has a wrx.

I neary bought a wrx over turboing my Crx. Glad I didn't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

oooo dyno figures!!! ooooo

and it would be 8psi into a FWD with 200 atw.

Exactly. My car 9psi. 204kw @wheels. Stock as a rock motor.

:thumbsup:
24-07-2008, 05:09 PM
trism

why so serious? Ever driven a worked wrx? All paw traction is epic
24-07-2008, 05:11 PM
DLO01

Are you kidding? Jase is not serious. If you saw his face, you would laugh. :p
24-07-2008, 05:13 PM
JasonGilholme

I'm not gonna lie. i've driven one and was impressed. great all round car straight out of the box and can be really good really easily.

only problem is everyone has one cause of those facts. i'd prefer to have something thats unique and personal. something you have to spend alot of time with. a real enthusiasts car.

just don't see the wrx in that light.
24-07-2008, 05:14 PM
JasonGilholme

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLO01

Are you kidding? Jase is not serious. If you saw his face, you would laugh. :p

i don't have a funny face!!! .......do i???? :o :(

:thumbsup::thumbsup::p
24-07-2008, 05:18 PM
Limbo

yeah blowing semi-stock WRX at the lights is fun

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

I'm not gonna lie. i've driven one and was impressed. great all round car straight out of the box and can be really good really easily.

only problem is everyone has one cause of those facts. i'd prefer to have something thats unique and personal. something you have to spend alot of time with. a real enthusiasts car.

just don't see the wrx in that light.
24-07-2008, 05:51 PM
trism

:thumbsup: fair enough
24-07-2008, 06:42 PM
mike15h

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad89

IMO just save your 10k and sell the CRX and buy another WRX to add to your collection.

2k into a WRX would probably shit all over a CRX with 10k put into it.

Besides, you already have a worked WRX with 200kw+ at the wheels, i dont see why you need another turbo car as your 'daily'.

Just my opinion i guess.

**E240 Edit - No Need to be so rude. Its just an opinion**
24-07-2008, 06:44 PM
mad89

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike15h

**E240 Edit - No Need to be so rude. Its just an opinion**

I knew that from the start. Though i am still entitled to voice it, hence the purpose of internet forums.
24-07-2008, 06:53 PM
eLs6uep

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limbo

b-series cost more for parts and rebuilds

no they dont...they roughly cost the same for parts...and for a rebuild
25-07-2008, 10:40 AM
Limbo

nope looked into it. b series parts are generally more expensive
29-07-2008, 10:25 PM
mike15h

help help help

I found a engine rebuild kit and of all places it was on ebay. its to good to be true.for a 1000 bucks you get:
*75.5mm Low Compression 8.8:1 SuperTech Pistons

*Supertech Pistons Rings

*Eagle H- Beam Rods with ARP 2000 Bolts

*CNC SuperTech Aluminum Block Guard

*ACL Race Engine Bearings

*Cometic MLS Race Head Gasket For SOHC & DOHC

*HAMP Oil Filter

the only problem is, its for d16 zc dohc engines......................

so does anyone know where to get a kit exactly like this for a 1000 bucks?
30-07-2008, 08:09 PM
mike15h

Done turbo comming soon

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