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depends what you plan on the future, and if you want NA or turbo setup, I wouldnt bother with the b18c2 unless you are going to boost it, if you want NA goodness go with b18c, and if you boost that, will yield alot of gain, but pointless in a sense, as the vtir turbo'ed shouldnt be far off the power figure of the turboed b18c. And will be cheaper for the motor. All depends on budget
141kw isn't enough? :)
141 should be pretty fun
im assuming this motor isnt built?
i'd probably concentrate on reliability
i would like to keep a turbo set up but just worried with the reliabilty on the motor when out on track and on the strip with the right cooling should be fine. i have no idea how much i could sell the setup for it depends on that if i will go b18c7 NA or b18c2 with a kit. the power its making is good but the motor doesnt feel very stong in mid range and i just want a twin cam. single cam just doesnt feel the same.
go for a b18c7 with the lsd gear box....and keep ur turbo kit...
and run low boost without break the engine!
that will be huge gain cus the 1.8 ltr and high compress ratio just reduce the lag a lot,
also the type r gear box got really close gear ratio and lsd...give a better lap time and less wheel spinning....
but the bad thing is u need a really really good tune and good take care....or the engine gona blow....
ahh k so you bought that setup, saw it for sale for a while, nice buy none the less
na bought the car all together
yeah thats what I ment, setup = whole car + what ever goodies came with it
yeah sorry
Yeah,sick car.I was checking that one out.
Guess you will be driving that to the wivenhoe meet eh
yeah be there for sure. we should meet before we go. im buying those sport max wheels from yonas i havent decied which ones yet....
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...rod/002red.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...rod/002blk.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...yrod/002gm.jpg
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silver centres for sure, goes best with the blue
The 3rd one looks sick.Is the last one a Dark blue?
i was leanin towards the red lol i recon would look good usdm style
its black center manQuote:
Originally Posted by beeza
Yeah red would look good, upto you really
red, do it!
yeh i dnt care about haters i recon it will look good im planning for red bride vois III
:thumbsup: do what you like, for yourself. See you sunday then
yeah i realy want to go b18c7 turbo but to expenise for my budget . i want to sell the motor setup with turbo and get a b18c2 and buy a afi kit the race one
http://www.afiturbo.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=51_52
Hey hey hey Red sounds mad,a photoshop would be sweet.
:thumbsup: good luck
i dnt hav it lol dnt no how to use it. someone can do it for me would be mad lol
Just start another thread with the pics ya want photoshoped,one of the guys will be able to do it :)
wat section
Maybe its the tune because turbo's are usually good for mid-range to top-end torque/power. Its either that or the turbo is too big for the motor.Quote:
Originally Posted by andy9999
In terms of single cam feel, your probably not used to a honda motor being so linear. From what i've been told, there's no significant drop in the power band just before vtec as is the case with the dohc vtec motors.
'no significant drop in the power band just before vtec as is the case with the dohc vtec motors'
That is partly true, there is a slight bump of decreased power, as the lobe engages (on stock motors, with a good tune, this should be eliminated almost completely). But you cannot compare SOHC vtec with DOHC, sorry to say but sohc doesnt feel very different when vtec engages
yeh thats true and not a very loud changer over lol the car is tuned by toda had 4 hours so i would think it could be the tune who noes
not dissing them just saying i dnt no how the car got tuned
if adrian from toda tuned it then you got nothing to worry about and be happy with the power its making, he does quality work
didnt the previous owner have a built b16a in there before? maybe the tune is isnt quite right for this motor?
yeah there was a b16a i dnt no if he used the same computer but its goes well dnt get me wrong its got power
probably used the same one... u got power FC yeah?
does the engine light still come on at 6800 or where ever ur redline is...?
yeh power fc. yeh it flashes somtimes through the revs y's that. how do u no this?
my mates old car. Ditch the D series and do B series and turbo that shit!
the flashing at unusual rpm is usually knock sensor for PFC.
Could be an faulty knock sensor like mine or you need a retune.
A dyno run should be able to tell you what's the issue
im getin a jdm b18c2 vtir and running a afi or full race kit on it. with hondata
from the integra gsr?Quote:
Originally Posted by andy9999
you will not be disappointed... :thumbsup::thumbsup:
you can keep the powerFC
but then again if your tuner is heaps more confident with hondata then get the hondata...
I dont see the point of buying a car u dont like....
But since u did and u want to swap..For a stock engine, id run the exact same setup on the b-series. Thats originally what the setup was designed for... SUS-R's car. The setup make 200kW on a type-r engine at 7psi.
Save ur money, get an ebay log manifold that positions the turbo in the same way. Best bang for buck ratio...Trust me...!
i will be selling my hole set up in my car atm.
its a d16y8 with gearbox, t28/71 garrett turbo with manifold all piping to suit ek front mount intercooler, the motor has a exedy heavy duty clutch, i will sell with or without ecu(apexi power Fc) and rc 550 injectors depending on price. i havent put a price on everything yet but anyone interested let me no.
And yes it will be a vti-r b18c on a teg
have you considered doing some head work? that would probably solve your midrange problems.
Port & polish + valve train + camshaft. All in all would probably cost you a 2k. IMO it would be better value and less hassell... then pulling it apart and starting from scratch.
good luck mate
yeh thats true i just want to go b series. putting set up for sale soon
wats ur motor had done to it and wat kind of power you making?
28/71 on a B would be quite some fun, response is the way to go nowadays, lagg is overrated. no love for D? lol its sucha hassle starting from scratch, hope ur willing to pour some time and money.
best of luck
or jus B18CR that thing with a 4.7gb + lsd + h/i/e + tune would yield decent power + big damage to ur wallet lol.
that is wat i had in mind as well selling my d series just motor and box and getting a b18c just using my turbo and ecu setup just buy a manifold and retune wat kind of power figues would i make anyone hav a ruff idea? and wats a good wat to set the turbo up hi or low mounted and which is a good manifold?Quote:
Originally Posted by tekung89
seriously go log manifold, no joke it will save u a headache. its hard to say wat power ur gona make but there is a C7 motor with 200kw atw on this forum, i know 2 b16a's who got roughly 140-160kwatw. and pretty much thats a stock motor.
wats a log manifold?
[QUOTE=andy9999;1869939]yeh thats true i just want to go b series. putting set up for sale soon
wats ur motor had done to it and wat kind of power you making?[/QUOTE.]
Some people may disagree with me and think i am biased. however...
Going a Bseries from what you have now could be alot more expensive and complicated then you expect. I honestly believe put some money into the head of the car and it will solve all your problems. There are plenty of SOHC vtec civics NA that have headwork that have similar midrange and torque as a Dohc.
If money is not a problem and its a simple case of (the more it costs means the longer it will take me to save). Then sure go the B18cr and boost it. It is by FAR a superior platform. But many people only budget for INITIAL setup costs, which imo is wrong... there are two kinds of costs. SETUP & MAINTENANCE. And you can be sure you will be paying higher maintenace costs if you do the swap. It will be harder for you to find replacement parts and you will pay more for them. EG D16 gearbox = $200, B18cr Gearbox = $1000 (aprox figs).. and same goes for anything you will need to replace.
Sure... some may say. "but he will make more power". But there comes a point where POWER does not = increased performance (in terms of 1/4 ETs.)
Do some more research man, proper unbiased research. HONDATECH, Dseries.org etc etc. Dont start throwing money around based on what a few people on ozhonda reccon. Dont fork out 10k for a b18cr conversion just because "you want a Bseries"... or Bseries is "Cooler" or more socially exceptable on ozhonda.
Thanks man. Love the car. keep me updated. add me on msn!
yeh one thing i did like about the D is that, i never had to worry about buying parts if they motor actually failed. plenty of it around and they go for soo cheap. i cant see why ur motor right now cant hit 140kw lol i know one fella who did it
he already said his current setup is tuned at 141kw
yeah d series parts are cheap but still a hassle to replace when they break...
but from owning a dseries turbo to b series turbo
the B is sooooOOOOoooo much more fun to drive... when vtec kicks in on the B its like a whole different motor lol... then again i probably just like it cause the wheels start spinning.... hoon LMAO
both stock motors
both gt28 turbos for got what size rear...
log manifold on the D
ram horn manifold on the B
apart from that 40-50kw difference atw lol
wat are the price figures on b18c2 vtir half cuts? and anyone no how much i can sell my motor for? without the turbo set with stock ecu and airbox p/s and a/c
$300ish?
These are the costs i see. Could you update your first post with the current specs of your setup?
Work the D16.
Complete top of the range head work. $2000.00
*Service, Port & polish, Valve job, valve train (springs & retainers), Cam + camshaft.
*Skunk2 intake manifold + larger Throttle body $750.00
* ARP head studs - $250.00
Retune - $1000.00
Max total - $4000
Drop in a b18c2
Sell the d16 - $500 - $1000
Buy a b18c2 Half cut - $6000
Extras - Injectors, Engine mounts, clutch, turbo manifold, modify charge pipeing - $2500
Labour - $2000
Retune - $1000
Max total - $10000.00
These costs are generally aproximate, but anyone feel free to argu them.
10k? u could buy a vtir teg with that kind of money
PLUS...!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
condition of a B18 will be unknown... unless your buying it off a trusted person
ok then but are d series motors as strong as a b and as reliable?
i think 10g is over esagerating i will do some research and keep udated
b18c2 halfuct 4k.
I agree with sexc. In regards to the cost of doing the b18 turbo it would be close to 10k give or take depending on who you know. I think you need to work out how much you want to spend, and whether or not your willing to part with.
One scenario is outlined above doing the b18 turbo convert = $10k
Second scenario is putting the 6k from the b18 motor into the d16; forging the internals, head studs, etc. Then re-tune of course.
Would you be happy with a car thats just a little bit faster than current (b18)? Or would you want to own a Honda that most other turbo cars can't touch (forge d16)?
Something to think about :)
thats wat i sourced around that price
4k for a b18c2 half cut? ...i dont think that is a all day, every day price.
I think those prices are pretty accurate. 10k would be cutting it pretty close. You would be surprised how easily budgets blow out. I do agree with Willie. You really need to sit down an think what you exactly want from this car. Budget, Times, Power, Value etc....
The life span on motors come down to how you well you maintain them and how well they are tuned. There is no reason why you cant have your D16 makeing a healthy & reliable 150wkw. But obviously ... with either motor (d16 or b18c) you choose, if you molester it with no maintenance, it wont last.
Just on a small not its been 5 years since i boosted my d15. I treat it well, TLC and it has not failed, and i am not afraid to push it when i want.
wat kind of head work can i get done to the d and how much will it cost? its running 9psi wat can i do if i wanted more boost? and safely
if you have to pay someone for the installation of the b18, + the purchase of the turbo kit and installation and tuning for it all = easy 15k
Unless u buy the parts seperate and peice it all 2gehter urself... trust me i know first hand
Forget headwork for the time being. Go straight for pistons, con-rods, ARP head studs and new oem head gasket (nothing seals better than OEM). This way you can run alot of boost. Talking like double your current amount. Power would then be easily over 200kw@ wheels = 12/11sec quarter mile @ 115mph +
hmmm to be honest i would disagree.
He is after midrange power not more top end. And you cant properly utilise a built block unless the head is flowing more then factory.
I think from what your saying Headwork is the way to go like what i listed before.
Complete top of the range head work. $2000.00
*Service, Port & polish, Valve job, valve train (springs & retainers), Cam + camshaft.
*Skunk2 intake manifold + larger Throttle body $750.00
* ARP head studs - $250.00
Retune - $1000.00
Max total - $4000
That way the engine itself will be makeing the extra power (at the same boost from your turbo 9psi), rather then simply increaseing the boost from the turbo. That means more reliability, and risking less parts to fail. Also working your head will mean you will make power past your factory Red line, aprox 8500. (John and Dan with same setup). Similar to a DOHC Bseries.
Again. All depends how far you want to go.
thanks for all the help guys i apreciate everything i will be looking further into it i have looked into a h22a conversion all motor 3500 just need to buy mounts and it all depends how much i will get for my setup. any one with ruff figures with motor turbo ecu everything needed.?
if u make a healthy 141kw atw then i think ur motor is in pretty good shape. im sure its capable of bigger numbers. why not stick wit it :P too much hate on the d's ay lol
cmon timmy... we all know its about social status on Ozhomo....
Anyway to the thred starter. Selling Dseries Gear is alot different, Its all about supply and demand, and lets face it the Dseries turbos dont have a huge following in australia.
After you messed around with hours and hours of labour (which will cost you $) you might be able to sell the whole conversion with turbo kit for 2500 - 3000 provided someone wants it.
As i said. Let us know exactly what you want in terms of "Power output" or "1/4mile goals" or "budget". Not just.... " Oh i want a b18cr... or a H22a... I dont know why... but i just do"
If you are really unhappy and you want to change that much about it.. i think you should even consider selling up as it is. and buying either a standard civic, or a civic with what you want done allready. Because doing a conversion on a factory car is a lot easier & Cheaper then what you have now.
Your all over the shop dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by andy9999
thanks for all the help guys i apreciate everything i will be looking further into it i have looked into a h22a conversion all motor 3500 just need to buy mounts and it all depends how much i will get for my setup. any one no how much i can get for my motor and turbo setup with ecu .Quote:
Originally Posted by 7ypeR
sorry mate
clear ur inbox sexc86
saw your car at the cruise. Very nice!!!
H22a ftw!!
Andy i thought you had a k20 half cut or somthing? its andy P aye from my school.. and how much you looking at selling the turbo kit for man with out the engine i am fairly interested.
send a pm to me or open ur pm message boxQuote:
Originally Posted by hondavti25