hey guys,
was just thinking what has better handling/speed/acceleration.
What would you guys rather and why?
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hey guys,
was just thinking what has better handling/speed/acceleration.
What would you guys rather and why?
dc5R/S
newer model
less problems
looks better
DC2R has better handling, acceleration and speed are pretty much the same level but the DC2R will feel alot more raw.
DC5R is newer with a nicer/more comfortable interior, and the looks between the two are subject to personal opinion.
I'm a huge DC2R fan. I definitely think the DC2R looks better. Given the money though, I'd probably go with the DC5R/S now (only for the fact that the DC2R is getting old and with age comes problems). If I had alot of money? DC2R and make it smickkk =] DC5 should be easier to live with though!
DC5R..but then again, im biased :P
I have a DC2R. Have driven both (my bro's DC5R). Really comes down to personal taste in the end. Both are quick cars. I like the DC2R, better handling, I love the rawness to it, noises, feeling to it, like the simplicity to it. Perfer the look of the DC2R inside and out. Hate the DC5R interior dash etc. Both great cars, but defiantly DC2R for me.
We all know the real mc'coy is the dc2 in the type r world. Its the real type r.
Although I always liked the DC5 type r and hense the reason i own one of these.
Its a great car and love it.
you will just have to have a think about which one you really like i guess!
Deano.
Yea, but we dont even have them here so....
I would prefer a dc2 anyway. A real sports car with 2 doors and still considered still possibly the best FWD car in the world!
The dc2 started the whole type r theme in the world when the fd2 was still a sperm in honda! Nice car, but.. i dont know....yawn.....
to add to your thread, i've got a query that nobody ever seems to talk about. i drove a dc5r a year or so ago, and only for about 20 mins, but it seemed to me like the steering was much more responsive as compared to a dc2r. i'm no saying the car would corner better, just that it felt like i only moved the steering a little to turn a lot, as oposed to a dc2r..anyone care to comment??
oh and to answer the question, all logic points to the dc5r. spend a little money on it and it beats a dc2r in every respect...however there is something about the dc2r. get in one, and you either feel it or you don't. to me it basically comes down to logic vs emotion.
I drove my friend's DC5 many years ago, interior is nicer, body styling is better, newer.. It was DC5 > DC2
Until I got myself a DC2R recently.. didnt really like it at first, noisy, etc, I dont know why I got it, but over time it grows in me.. like Deano said, the rawness, the noise, etc
So for me now I'd get DC2R over DC5R any day.. real type R!
DC2R for me..
ive had one for nearly 5 years - i have come close to selling it twice and fortunately i didnt..
i get sick of it sometimes because its impractical - annoying at times and uncomfortable..
but then i drive it again and im back in love lol..
my cousin had a DC5R for 2 years - we would often swap cars for weeks at a time..
id always find myself wanting my car back.. and he would always want to keep my car for longer lol
Also, how much are you going to spend on it..... even though i owna dc5, owning a dc2 really opens to doors to ALOT of modifications!
personally, i prefer the DC5, newer car. Also i really pay attentino to a decent interior layout, i mean, its what you look, and use when you are driving, the dc5 beats it hands down.
I own a DC5 and only driven a friends DC2 for a short time but I definitely like the SR4 recaros better. In saying that, in terms of handling, acceleration and power, DC2 is probably better because its lighter, designed to live on the track and as modifications go, you have alot more options not to mention cheaper ones too lol. When you drive a DC2, you actually feel like your driving one...when driving a DC5, sometimes you forget until you drive pass windows.
dc5r = modern comfort sports car, has up to date styling, more practical overall with more space.
dc2r = oldschool sports car, more noise especially since no sound deadening, smaller cabin space.
performance wise both very similar.
really depends on personal taste.
Im getting a DC2 over DC5 love the old JDM look its just me
I am selling my Evo8 JDM styled over a DC2 going NA
As everyone has stated, it's all really up to personal tastes
In my opinion, the DC2R is more of a driver's car - more rawness, lighter, more nimble; the driver is able to experience the thrill
Opposed to DC5R - I feel it's been tamed down a tad, heavier, more of a passengers car
Don't get me wrong, both are fantastic but I'd go with the dc2r - they're cheaper as well so more mods :P
DC5R are however, are newer (still quite old) and have the k20a..
All up 2 u
Come on guys. The "real Type R" is the NSX-R. Everything else is a compromise on an everyday form of transport.
actually the first type r was a motorbike... The CBR was a sports bike made by honda, but when they decided to put race piston in and modify the engine they renamed it the CBRR. RR standing for race replica.
This is straight from wikipedia:
"The Honda CBR models are a series of sport oriented motorcycles, several of which (400RR, 600RR, 900RR, 929RR, 954RR and 1000RR) are marketed as Race Replica, hence the suffix "RR" after the engine size designation. With the exception of the single cylinder CBR125 and CBR150, all CBR motorbikes have inline engines (as compared to the V engines in the VT, VTR and VF/VFR series). Less sporting models with inline engines make up the CB Series."
"A race replica motorcycle is a publicly available retail vehicle that resembles a competition race bike either in performance or appearance.
The classification is imprecise and varies from bikes derived directly from a racing prototype (such as the Ducati Desmosedici) to production bikes that are considered heavily influenced by a manufacturer's racing experience (such as the Aprilia RS125 or Kawasaki ZX-7R). It does not extend to retail bikes competing in race series that require an existing production bike be used (such as the Honda CBR1000RR).
The term is often applied by manufacturers to market motorcycles and scooters that resemble a racing prototype (such as a similar paint scheme) but are not actually derived from racing vehicles. Some of the performance race replicas are offered with sponsor decals so that it may completely resemble a professional race bike.
Some enthusiasts may incorrectly consider true race prototypes that have subsequently been privately sold as replicas (such as the Yamaha YZR500)."
The reason the first type r was made, was to take an 'órdinary' car and make it into a race car. The nsx r actually started off as just an nsx but then later became a type r to comete with its big brothers. The 'type r' has always been about increasing the performance of a stock car/bike
dc2r, dc5r are pigs and fat and heavy and just boo. why is this a question?
this shouldn't be a comparrison, dc2r is much better.
DC2R the original with cult status!
DC5R for daily duties and DC2R for weekends
i agree with above but i wouldn't waiste that much money on a daily. best daily is something that is cheap all round. example being like a barina or laser ;)
that way you have more to spend modding the dc2r!
Dc2r ftw!
Dc2r > dc5r
bloody oath there greater :), plus they just look sxc and sleek.
seeing those taillights in the distance always makes my day.
DC2R!
C'mon thats a bit harsh on the DC5 ITR! They are a brilliant car lets not 'kid ourselves. Just the DC2 ITR does it better!
Hmm... IMHO if you can afford to run the ITR's every day & not rack up too many km's on it (its not like they run 18L/100km if you drive them half nicely). Life's too short I say!
k20a>b18c7
double wishbone > mcpherson strut
jdm dc5r face lift hands down
i have a soft spot for the jdm dc2r too
i would take any
In Japan the DC2 is considered a very old car now. Tuners don't really do anything with them anymore. The K20 powered DC5 is a far superior car and when modded is better again. Sure, the DC2 has double wishbone suspension which lends itself to easier tuning and set up but at the end of the day the DC5 improves on everything, despite what the purists would say.
The Australian delivered DC5 wasn't the full bag of goodies but was still quite strong for a $45k package.
Looking at the extreme end of modification like my car, the gap between the DC5 and DC2 becomes even greater. The chassis is far superior and does a much better job of putting extra power down. If anyone disagrees you're more than welcome to build a similar DC2 and prove me wrong. :)
Fd2r
fd2r
fd2r
I highly agree with Monty. Ive been doing a shit load of research on the US n AU forums and k series engines have so much potential if modded with quality parts. And dont forget the fact its a 2L over a 1.8L. and as for *trentd* mate to bag out the DC5 to that level one would think you own a Lambo or sumthing. Great car in every aspect!!!!! oh btw Cars a Made to be drivn not to watch it in the garage everyday
i'm not saying it stays in the garage. you take it out now and again. why drive your loved car to work and shopping every day. you just get the risk of having it scratched and damaged.
and don't ever compare litres, 1.8l worse then 2l?
i have a 1.8 and it embarrases 6.0l's on the road. go figure.
i'm not saying the dc5r is a horrible car and not to have it. its just answering the question dc5r or dc2r, i'm saying dc2r.
because honestly it beats it in everything. handling, speed, looks, style, weight and much more.
you can do so much with a k20 engine, but you can do so much with a b18c7 as well.
you can do so much with a smart car if you feel like it.
i'm leaving my opinion and that is.
GO THE DC2R!!!!! =D
why's there so much hate for DC5R's here.. I am sure half if not most of the haters here havent even drive a dc5.
DC5R's are nice cars to drive. imo its tamed and modern and will eventually have more aftermarket support
DC2R's are raw, noisy and the interiors getting old.
IMO... K20a JDM DC2R ;)
I would take any! love them both
k20a dc2 would be insane!
i don't have a lot of hate for them. i just think there toooo boring.
its turned into a completly different car. and its too big for fwd.
if it was rwd i'd have one right now!
What would make the dc5r vtec raw more? exhaust, pod filter?
A pod is a good mod, not only does it get colder air, it gets more air all together. it will make the vtec raw more. having a aftermarket intake pipe aswell will make it raw very loud!
You talk a lot of crap for someone who havent even owned a DC5R...have you even driven one? its based on everyone's own opinion...you and other people like dc2r because they either have a dc2/dc2r or its their personal taste...good for you and i think they are a great car. Well i'll be plain and honest here and say that most DC5R owners here can buy a dc2r if they wanted to, but they prefer/bought the dc5r, so obviously each to their own...Too boring? not even a comparison?...get real...
IMO the DC2R looks a lot nicer, but I would jump at the chance of buying a bran new car which is what makes the DC5R better.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2538/82360783.jpg
picture speaks a thousand words
As someone who has owned both, the DC5R is better hands down.
Stock for stock, I did prefer the DC2R, however once you go mod for mod the performance gap just keeps increasing and leaving the DC2R behind. The extra torque that the K20 has down low is probably the icing on the cake; it feels good not to need to hit vtec just to beat someone off the lights so you can merge lanes.
I also prefer the gearbox on the DC5. Better ratios and a 6th gear for highway driving. Can happily chill out in 5th gear at 60-70km/h driving around town without the car struggling. The DC2 always pissed me off because the car felt like it was revving WAY too high at 110km/h.
I also felt the DC5 was more planted to the road when both cars had coilovers and RE01s.
Most of the other reasons I prefer the DC5 other people have already covered, however I did prefer the DC2R steering wheel and the overall size of the car.
Just my 2c
And i am sure most DC2R owners could of gotten a DC5R considering the minor price difference.
stock for stock the dc5r feels to plain, alot of the dc5r owners ive met got the dc5 over the dc2 because of the age issue.
And yes, we do need more people who have had REAL experience with these cars to comment.
Not true in all cases. The NSX engine actually makes more power after 100,000km's than when it is new. It's apparently how Honda designed it.
Any well maintained car will last a very very very long time. It just comes down to how much someone was to maintain their car. I've seen DC5R's that burn oil, and have shit valve clearances with noisy knocky pistons with 30/40,000km's. For example, I have 120,000km's on my DC2R, and it doesn't burn a drop of oil, and it super quiet. Just depends how you were to maintain it. Either way, it's freaking near impossible to find a mechanically A1 DC2R or DC5R. Too many P-platers owning them, and thrashing the crap out of them.
Oh, and i'd choose a DC2R over a DC5R anyday.
I've driven Both or I can say all, DC2R, AUDM DC5R, JDM DC5R, FD2R, FD2R RC, Mugen RR
Stock to stock between DC2R and DC5R for sure DC2R is quicker and handle better. But after you put some decent mods on them and a bit more of time by time. The gap grow bigger. I like the way how a Stock DC5R as a daily and stock DC2R as track car. But if I have $$ I will get a DC5R and mod it up like other mention the extra torque and protential to mod up a K20 engine since its still 2 lts vs 1.8lt.
I owned a DC5R and it really feel like a different car before and after you mod it up. I recently de mod my DC5R and still remember how it handle b4 I return it back to stock. by achieving a 1:38 in winton I think the time speaks many words.
I will say if you want a daily + track car get a DC5R and if you want to build a track only car get either one of them.
comparing a AUDM DC5R and JDM DC5R. They almost drive the same. except the JDM package offer a bit more values in terms of parts and it respond a bit better in high revs. generally its not that much faster then AUDM.
FD2R are really good cars compare to the one available in our market. but too bad they are not available in our own soil......hope this help~!
I got my DC2R, cos I couldn't see over the dash of the DC5R. Anyone else have that problem? lol.
i cant see the bonnet when im driving even tho i lean forward. DC5s
I have a Jazz and have driven a DC5 and on both cars I can't see the bonnet no matter what I try!
I have the same problem with the recaros lol...first time my mum test drove it she needs a pillow to sit on just to see the outside...or it maybe because some people drive muzza style??...its weird that sometimes i see people who look like they're almost in sleeping position/seating position driving around in their car.
lmao please don't compare the interior. i reckon the dc5r has the blandest interior ever used in a honda. i personally like the dc2r interior quite a lot, and if you don't that's fine, but the dc5r interior is not worth a mention in any argument anywhere. don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with it, but there is *nothing* special about it. i wouldn't say i bought a dc2r over a dc5r because of the interior, no matter how much i prefer the interior (quite a lot tbh). it's like saying i bought a ford over a holden because of the look of the badge....really? that's why you bought the ford? the look of the badge?
i don't think the dc5R/S has the blandest interior, i mean look at the cluster, with the white dials, needles pointing down to give race car look, amber lighting. The cluster itself has more character then the whole dc2R interior, which infact is just black plastics and the dials and intrustments clogged in the middle of the dash console.
Uhhhh have you read my post??? before you go all defensive, re-read my post...where did i compare the interior of both cars? or did i say that the dc5r has "such an awesome interior! much better than dc2r"...come on pure na...lets put aside our ego and wake up to reality..."dc5r have the blandest interior..." ur opinion, fair enough, feel better now?? LOL...i actually agree and think the dc5r interior is too plain...wish it could be like the interior of the fn2r...
Bought a car cos a badge??holden and ford?? what....what are you saying? What you did there was a very bad example of a paralleled scenario.
There is a thread called "what do you not like about honda integras" if your going to complain about the interior go there.
wow ok. first off, i wasn't getting defensive, like i said in MY post, interior's don't really mean much to me at all. i like mine, but it's not why i bought my car.
secondly, IF i misunderstood you, i apologize. if i am correct (as it's on the page before this), you said something along the lines of, "come to think of it, that's why i bought a dc5r, the dc2r is old styling and interior is outdated". now, from that i gathered you were saying the dc5r's inteiror is much better. i didn't even focus on the fact that i disagreed, i just said that it's a poor argument as to why a dc5r is better - the interior. Now, considering you told me to re-read your post, i did. When you said what you said - "i bought a dc5r because the dc2r is old styling and interior is outdated" (or something like that) - you clearly didn't compare the interior of both cars, and obviously didn't mean that the interior of the dc5r is much better styling. you meant...what exactly?
and lastly, my comparison of badges was to give an example of something that is on a car that makes absalutely no difference whatsoever, and saying that one simple interior over another simple interior (as even you agree, they're pretty simple inteirors) was the reason one car is better is, imo, silly.
oh and btw, i have no idea where my ego comes into all this lol. if YOU read one of MY posts (can't remember what page), i actually said that all logic points towards a dc5r being a better car...clearly my 'ego' clouds my vision and i worship all things dc2r. i just didn't compare interiors of the two.
Guy's. Its personal opinions to state what you perfer DC5R or DC2R. Lets just leave it like that and others respect it. Simple.
I think the interior of the DC5 looks pretty tacky and cheap tbh. DC2 is bland but it doesn't look cheap IMO.
If you think you'd like an Elise, get a DC2R. If not, get a DC5R.
I personally much prefer the DC2R -- It really comes down to personal preference. I feel like i'm in a go kart with the DC2R, DC5 'feels' heavy.
Pff.. DC2-R Interior is way better and makes the car way better.
*ducks for cover*
Rofl.
dc2r interior is too old and outdated i agree.
no way a dc5r interior is bland..
i will take the dc5r/s over dc2r anyday just because its newer..
Dc2r :)
DC5R more sexxy
dc5r due to the blue interior if nothing else
both are nice cars, dc2r has less blind spots
if the dc2r in aus came with the jdm front it would be alot better looking plus have hids stock but both could use the electric folding mirrors
Yes one thing i hate bout dc5... Hard to look back in.. Even without type r wing... Im gonna hav to get some circles for my
mirrors. Also the turninh circle in a dc5.... Never ever done a three point turn.
DC2 Type-R is more raw & raucous. It jumps around and the tail breaks out oh-so easily around corners. It handles extremely great with tenacious grip thanks to Honda for implementing the "Double wishbone" suspensions on all 4 wheels and that is just half the fun.
Its a very stimulating car compared to the DC5 Type-R
The DC5 R has been tamed in my opinion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5pAb...eature=related
Both dc2 & dc5 are tuned so enough said .......sit back and enjoy:)
you can tell the dc5 is faster on the straight. but who really cares about driving in a straight line. if you want a car that goes fast in a straight line, buy a nissan
rofl -- dead set. They are about the same performance. If you want to spend $100k then get the better platform, double wishbone throughout. if not, just buy what tickles your fancy looks wise.If they are still on the same level, get the newer one.
/end argument.
i use to say dc2r hands down but as time passes, the newer car (dc5r) will always grow on us. dc5r maybe? lol