1994 Civic World Time Attack Challenge

Aim: Build from the ground up a World Time Attack Challenge (WTAC) Racecar from the a 1994 EG Civic Hatchback.

Goal: Place in the top 10 open class at WTAC Open Class 2019

So welcome to what will undoubtably be an adventure and quest largely into the unknown. My background is Mechanical engineering and have spent the last 5 years building and racing cars but never something on this scale.

The Car: Well after much deliberation about which car would be best suited for such an application, and studying the WTAC open class rules, the decision of a hatchback was made and with a 1994 Honda Civic showing up for a tiny $400 with no signs of rust and slightly leaky engine, the purchase of a small yet incredibly slow and smelly car was made.

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The Plan:
- Create or Find a CAD template of the car.
- Begin the design of basic aerodynamic features
- Strip the car of anything that will not be required and can sell on
- Finalise the final body shape so production can begin on the 'wide body'
- Create accurate CAD model of the engine bay
- Select an engine, Make a CAD model and design mounts
- Mount the new engine into car and start plumbing it in
- Wire the new engine with the use of a MoTec ECU (Have past experience and a tuner)
- Fit rollcage and seat along with any other internal safety devices
- Finalise Design of Aerodynamics package
- Manufacture the aerodynamics package
- Fit and upgrade the suspension
- Paint the car
- Turn the key and hope it doesn't go boom!

I am sure there will be a lot of smaller, time consuming steps to be completed but they are the major steps from what I can see but plenty to be done.

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Step one was to start to develop a complete CAD model of the car. I spent days searching the Internet looking for a CAD model but none existed, so it was time to make a measuring jig and mark over 300 points on the car to create an accurate CAD model that aerodynamics could start to be modelled upon. If anybody is interested in this CAD model, more than happy to share it around as it took so long to make.

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The basic design of the aerodynamic package is largely governed by the rules so using the cad model, the extremities of the rules were marked out and using some intuition and past experience, the beginning point of the package was created. It will consist of a front splitter and wing combo, sideskirts, rear wing and a rear diffuser. The main concern was trying to keep the centre of balance in the centre of the car, as a rear biased car would create understeer through the high speed corners and that is not ideal.

The use of NACA and several other types of wings were tested using CFD with the front wing and splitter being tested using quarter car simulations and the rear wing and diffuser being tested using half car simulations. Future iterations will be constantly occurring during the build and the design will forever evolve until manufacturing of the wings and diffuser.

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Stripping the car and discovering its past. This was fun as I intend to use nothing from the interior other than the dashboard, door cards and steering column so everything was out in a hurry. Still have quite a few parts hovering around the joint so if anyone is looking for that missing part, I might have it. Anyway, the car was stripped and then put up onto jackstands, ready for the exterior to also be stripped and most parts will be custom throughout this build.

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The main pieces to keep were the front fenders, the lower hatch and the bonnet. All of these will be modified and recreated using Carbon fibre to limit the weight and also allow the body to 150mm wider to allow for wider tyres and additional shaping for aero. I intend to do a full how to guide on the creation of composite panels so anyone can do it at home.

This is currently where I am at with the build. The front left fender has been shaped and is going through the final stages of sanding. Once I can get access to my computer, I will be looking to upload photos on the progress to date and also elaborate on anything interesting.

This is a long term project and will take considerable time. I am always open to comments and feedback and also giving out any advice if someone my ask.

Updates coming shortly
David

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This will good to follow.Very cool stuff David!

Been working through the front fender wide body over the weekend and the last few days. Below is a quick run through of the steps so far;

1. Clean the panel with prepsol ensuring a nice clean surface

2. Tap up any holes and indentations (Although will not affect the final product, keeps everything clean)

3. With the designed front fender in mind, create a cardboard surround. In this instance, the widebody will be 100mm wider at the wheel centreline and will seamlessly join back to the original panel near the bonnet line. The cardboard surround will be held onto the panel using hot melt glue as it is cheap, easy to apply and quick drying. If the panel needs to be kept for resale or any other purpose, I would have put some masking tape along where I was going to glue, this ensuring the panel is not damaged.

4. Using some expanding polyurethane foam in a can, start spraying the foam onto the panel and into the cardboard enclosure. Build up several layers and remember the foam will expand quite dramatically, and put aside to let cure and completely expand before moving it or touching the foam. The cans of foam cost about $10 each and 2 cans was more than enough to complete the front fender.

5. After the foam has cured for atleast 24 hours, I removed the cardboard backing and placed the foam covered panel back onto the car ready for shaping. For the larger portions to be removed, I use an old plaster saw. Once the rough shape has been achieved, a mixture of an orbital sander with 120 grit disc and 80 grit hand sanding will get the foam back to its desired shape.

6. To obtain a nice hard workable finish on the foam, body filler is applied and the shaping and sanding continues. All holes that are in the foam need to be filled and the panel is smoothed out to a paint-prep finish. All low points and filled and all high points are blocked back to obtain the shape required. It takes a lot of body filler and a lot of time but the more time spent on this step, the better quality of product will be produced.

This is currently where the car is at, for the next few weeks, more sanding and shaping along with the purchase of coilovers, fibreglass consumables and hopefully the first mold for body work can be produced by Christmas.

I will be uploading pictures later to go with the update.

People WILL read your long posts but if U ignore their posts,they will ignore U.

It's a simple rule of life,no one likes to be ignored.Remember,I too could have chose to ignore your post out of fear of being ignored like everyone else mate.

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People WILL read your long posts but if U ignore their posts,they will ignore U.

It's a simple rule of life,no one likes to be ignored.Remember,I too could have chose to ignore your post out of fear of being ignored like everyone else mate.

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Chill dude.. I don't think anyone is intentionally ignoring you. If you asked a question then that would be different but saying "subscribed" doesn't usually warrant a reply.

Speaking of which, subscribed. lel

David, have you decided what sort of powertrain you intend to run?

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Originally Posted by beeza

People WILL read your long posts but if U ignore their posts,they will ignore U.

It's a simple rule of life,no one likes to be ignored.Remember,I too could have chose to ignore your post out of fear of being ignored like everyone else mate.

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Not intentionally ignoring anyone. You left a comment, I smiled and continued working on the car. Glad to have you subscribed

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David, have you decided what sort of powertrain you intend to run?

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Not as of yet, I have thrown around several ideas but yet to come up with a solution that I am 100% set on. So far I have looked at:

Honda B20A6 out of a 3rd gen Prelude
Mitsubishi 4G54 out of a 1st gen Magna
Honda K24A1 with AWD from a CRV
Holden 186 RWD from An LJ Torana

The usual suspects such a B16 of B18 or even a K20 have been looked at but cannot find one at the right price currently. All a bit too costly considering they will need a full internal rebuild regardless of which motor I go with.

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Not as of yet, I have thrown around several ideas but yet to come up with a solution that I am 100% set on. So far I have looked at:

Honda B20A6 out of a 3rd gen Prelude
Mitsubishi 4G54 out of a 1st gen Magna
Honda K24A1 with AWD from a CRV
Holden 186 RWD from An LJ Torana

The usual suspects such a B16 of B18 or even a K20 have been looked at but cannot find one at the right price currently. All a bit too costly considering they will need a full internal rebuild regardless of which motor I go with.

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That is a very unusual line up of options for an EG.

I think most other open class Hondas are running K series engines. Look into K24A3s out of accord euros, they can come cheap enough. From what I've been told I'm fairly sure the K24 that comes in the CRV is basically junk.

Sorry David...been having a hard time.Sorry mate.

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Sorry David...been having a hard time.Sorry mate.

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No stress mate. ��

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Originally Posted by Super-DA9

That is a very unusual line up of options for an EG.

I think most other open class Hondas are running K series engines. Look into K24A3s out of accord euros, they can come cheap enough. From what I've been told I'm fairly sure the K24 that comes in the CRV is basically junk.

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In order to beat the competition, either need to out develop know systems that are currently in use or think a little outside the box. I have several spare B20A6 engines lying around. The magna engine is a bit unusual, SOHC, 2.6 litres but capable of holding boost from factory (Same engine used in a Mitsubishi Starion)

I might have a quick look into the accord engines while I am on break today.

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Not as of yet, I have thrown around several ideas but yet to come up with a solution that I am 100% set on. So far I have looked at:

Honda B20A6 out of a 3rd gen Prelude
Mitsubishi 4G54 out of a 1st gen Magna
Honda K24A1 with AWD from a CRV
Holden 186 RWD from An LJ Torana

The usual suspects such a B16 of B18 or even a K20 have been looked at but cannot find one at the right price currently. All a bit too costly considering they will need a full internal rebuild regardless of which motor I go with.

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At least for the B20A6, wouldn't the larger initial buy-in cost on a B16/B18 (or even a K24A3 as mentioned) be easily offset by the power ceiling and ease of access to off the shelf aftermarket parts?

That is the main concern with the B20A6, I have built a fully forged one in the past and that was very expensive to source parts for however not impossible. The same can be stated for the Mitsubishi engine but givens its size, presents an interesting option. It is an interesting point of discussion, because if you could fit any engine into the front of a EG Civic, what would be the best? Ideally I would like to stay FWD as going RWD would take up a lot of underbody aero advantages that the FWD layout presents.

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It is an interesting point of discussion, because if you could fit any engine into the front of a EG Civic, what would be the best? Ideally I would like to stay FWD as going RWD would take up a lot of underbody aero advantages that the FWD layout presents.

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Out of the options you have mentioned, a K24/K20A FWD setup will be the best for the SMSP track without a doubt.

I would imagine any money saved by using an old prelude engine or non-honda unit will need to be used for all the custom work anyway. Remember that you're comparing engines/transmissions that have no off the shelf conversion parts (for an EG) to ones that have everything you need already developed and readily available.

I'm sure you know about the EG that JDMyard won open class with this year, that is a good example of what can be done this way.

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Out of the options you have mentioned, a K24/K20A FWD setup will be the best for the SMSP track without a doubt.

I would imagine any money saved by using an old prelude engine or non-honda unit will need to be used for all the custom work anyway. Remember that you're comparing engines/transmissions that have no off the shelf conversion parts (for an EG) to ones that have everything you need already developed and readily available.

I'm sure you know about the EG that JDMyard won open class with this year, that is a good example of what can be done this way.

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It is definitely an interesting point of discussion and given this will be the first time this car has run and the main focus being on aerodynamics and weight, the powertrain will probably end up being a B18 or a K24 but considering all the available options is something I am really keen to do. And powertrain has a long wait ahead, more updates on the wide body progress tomorrow.

Holden 186?

Struggling to work out whether this thread is serious or a piss take.

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Holden 186?

Struggling to work out whether this thread is serious or a piss take.

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Similar to the B20A6, it is in engine that I have experience and available. Would be an immense project to put one in a civic and do a complete RWD conversion. Not a probable option but still in brainstorming phase for powertrain

If your doing something this extreme and open for suggestions.
4G63 from EVO 8. My EVO 9 put down 258kWs on mostly stock car. DW300C + ID1000s + 3in exhaust turbo back only budget spec MRT lols + BOV + 3port boost controller + Pipe from turbo out to intercooler on e85.

Similar Deck height and use of transverse gearbox should make for an easy swap if Track car.

Precision Auto do 800hp builds for for under 14k Long block - Fcuking bang for buck. I have spent similar on my ej257 and im only at 400hp.
https://precisionautomotiveracing.co...ges/evolution/

Again Idunno your budget and if your looking to place to top 10 at WTAC i think your gonna need heaps of power + reliability.

With about 20K you already be at power levels of big hitters of WTAC with reliability.

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If your doing something this extreme and open for suggestions.
4G63 from EVO 8. My EVO 9 put down 258kWs on mostly stock car. DW300C + ID1000s + 3in exhaust turbo back only budget spec MRT lols + BOV + 3port boost controller + Pipe from turbo out to intercooler on e85.

Similar Deck height and use of transverse gearbox should make for an easy swap if Track car.

Precision Auto do 800hp builds for for under 14k Long block - Fcuking bang for buck. I have spent similar on my ej257 and im only at 400hp.
https://precisionautomotiveracing.co...ges/evolution/

Again Idunno your budget and if your looking to place to top 10 at WTAC i think your gonna need heaps of power + reliability.

With about 20K you already be at power levels of big hitters of WTAC with reliability.

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Thanks for the input. Probably a little over budget but would make for a pretty amazing build.

No updates over the weekend, personal life got really busy and I ran out of body filler. Probably won't get an opportunity to work on the car for a few weeks now with work commitments but plenty of parts to be order so will be getting some new goodies.

A few goodies have arrived, bit of work to do be done before these can start to get ready for mounting.

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Edit: How do I rotate these images hahaha ;)

Nice sheet lol

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Nice sheet lol

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From my personal collection haha
Hiding under those sheets is 2 Honda B20A6 engines. One which is stock and one which is not.

More updates and photos to follow but a completely worked engine is nearly ready to be positioned in the EG shell.

Strong engine.Good choice.

Since deciding on an engine, mounts and new front cross members have been designed.

Front Cross Member:
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Passenger Mount:
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Designed and FEA'd ready to go, start manufacture tomorrow

So been some time as I have been away with work for some period of time.

I have chosen B20A6 as my main engine platform to be building from, looking at making 500 HP at the fly, given the car will weigh sub 800kg, this will be plenty. Brand new H beam rods, forged pistons, stage 3 turbo camshafts and new stiffer valve springs with titanium retainers have been purchased. The head has been worked to include oversize valves on the exhaust side to assist with flow for some turbocharging. The stock intake manifold has been sent to CAD and a new design is currently in the works, but that is in the early stages of design still.

Fibreglass is about to be put on order to create widebody moulds for the front fenders, but could take some time given I am about to be away for another 5 weeks.

Still working hard but work and personal life always wants to get in the way, will try and get the updates in a little more often.

David