Has the other party got something to say about this
Agree that its important to hear a (indirect?) account of what actually happened.
Can you (OP) prove that there was tampering ?! You are implying quite an accusation.
IF so , why dont you legally pursue ?
BTW dont remove posts for the heck of it - just because Im not patting you on the back like everyone else here im not hatin'. Im asking questions which would be appreciated to be explored.
Agree that its important to hear a (indirect?) account of what actually happened.
Can you (OP) prove that there was tampering ?!
BTW dont remove posts for the heck of it.
From the tone of your post, obviously we havent got along. I didn't like what you said, so i deleted it
Obviously the other party doesnt want to loose face or respect in the community so they would rather keep their silence and let this blow over
I don't need to prove anything. Do you think i am making this up?
Its funny how you deal with things Benjamin Obviously there is favoritism! I can clearly remember how you were backing up Toda scamming people's money. Nice way to show the community to see who sides your on.
Seems strange they decided to not use your motor and rather work nearly 2 days straight of motor rebuilding and tuning from the ground up? Being as desperate as they were and chose this harder route where they were cutting it so fine that they were lucky to get to the last day on time to race might say something.
Surely the person/s who made the call about your motor would have known what they were on about.
Plus the motor inspection was done at the Haltech workshop where I'm sure there would have been plenty of witnesses since that place was busy non stop at that time. Can't miss a motor with coolant in the sump, cylinders and intake.
Did you reuse the head gasket for the drag motor upon putting it back together? Or did you get a new one?
This whole thread is too one sided and seems to be taking advantage of the fact the 'fellow competitor' and the witnesses of the motors inspection don't follow this site and don't have a chance to reply. If it's such an issue, why not post this on some other forums as well?
"Sabotage" is a completely blown out of context word used here. Did this competitors "sabotage" actions cause you to perform less than what you could have? From what I saw, you were out every session doing the same times. And since you just threw the motor back in and did a 10 sec pass, what was tampered with to your disadvantage?
Should be careful trying to ruin other teams credibility who put in the hard work and money to get a good result.
You went out there and did a great result proving your set up. No one is denying that. Why wreck this with wild accusations?
Seems strange they decided to not use your motor and rather work nearly 2 days straight of motor rebuilding and tuning from the ground up? Being as desperate as they were and chose this harder route where they were cutting it so fine that they were lucky to get to the last day on time to race might say something.
To me it seemed strange that when the 101 CRX was there finalllly I could not see the Yellow EG around did they use that motor in the CRX??
i honestly dont think anyone is that bothered to pull a motor out, 'tamper' with it, waste so much time (especially at a time like super lap) ontop of risking losing the payment of how ever many thousands of dollars..
if i sold a motor to someone knowing that it was perfectly fine (especially when they had people come and inspect it), i wouldn't have given a refund
unlucky as to whatever happened to the motor, but well done on your achievements
12.949 @ 107.71mph 2.063 60ft on Advan AD08 EKK20A 142.9kw on 98ron
To me it seemed strange that when the 101 CRX was there finalllly I could not see the Yellow EG around did they use that motor in the CRX??
No the yellow EG retired on sarurday, I was with the owner talking to him and looking at the motor setup, he was telling me, he had tuning issues with it, it had way to much mid range from the new ITB setup
"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning.”
Seems strange they decided to not use your motor and rather work nearly 2 days straight of motor rebuilding and tuning from the ground up? Being as desperate as they were and chose this harder route where they were cutting it so fine that they were lucky to get to the last day on time to race might say something.
Surely the person/s who made the call about your motor would have known what they were on about.
Plus the motor inspection was done at the Haltech workshop where I'm sure there would have been plenty of witnesses since that place was busy non stop at that time. Can't miss a motor with coolant in the sump, cylinders and intake.
Did you reuse the head gasket for the drag motor upon putting it back together? Or did you get a new one?
This whole thread is too one sided and seems to be taking advantage of the fact the 'fellow competitor' and the witnesses of the motors inspection don't follow this site and don't have a chance to reply. If it's such an issue, why not post this on some other forums as well?
"Sabotage" is a completely blown out of context word used here. Did this competitors "sabotage" actions cause you to perform less than what you could have? From what I saw, you were out every session doing the same times. And since you just threw the motor back in and did a 10 sec pass, what was tampered with to your disadvantage?
Should be careful trying to ruin other teams credibility who put in the hard work and money to get a good result.
You went out there and did a great result proving your set up. No one is denying that. Why wreck this with wild accusations?
Well it does seem strange at that stage where they didnt want to use the motor. Obviously when they made the decision to buy the motor, they didnt have all their members there to make the call. The owner properly just want to get out their. He did even ask for a stock K20. When i mention we have another motor with such and such and make this power, he was instantly interested.
We had two of their team member help pickup he drag car at another location, where it started perfectly and sounded normal onto and off the trailer. When the motor was pulled out of the car and all bolt-ons where stripped down, they had another 3 team members thoroughly checked out the motor. It was a perfectly working motor when it was headed over to the other party. I even gave them the tune map as a base to fine tune the motor. With there 3 team member, we had another 4 witnesses from our team which saw this whole process
It the time frame of 2hours, i don't know what happen to the motor in their possession. All they did was pull off the sump as they were about to prep it for the dry sump set-up. One thing they did notice was that the oil was milky, normal for a car running E85 with a richer a/f mixture especially a race car moving in and out of the workshop.
When i got their with a fellow team member and saw coolant in the combustion chambers and ports, i knew something was suss going on. Its late at night and we had competition the next morning. We didnt need to drag this out and do the blame game. We refunded the money, and they did pay a few hundred bucks for our trouble, which was nice of them but we are still not quite happy with what we were to found when we pulled off the head when the motor got back to the shop at mid night.
It was midnight and we were pulling off the head of the drag motor. Everything checked out perfectly! We can visibily see coolant on all 4 cylinder and we have 3 other people that can vouch for this. We gave the owner a quick call to pop by the shop (only down the road) and check out the motor. He denied and said he was too busy. Hmm interesting!
As to why they spent Friday building another motor and tune it, i dont really know. You gotta ask them that. I assume they got offered another motor and parts that looked 10x better on paper then the one i offered. Who knows, i dont know the real story
As a reputable company, why would i go to the effort to pull out a motor and offer them a 'dud' motor? I had better things to do that thursday then to pull out a motor.
We put 'sabotage' cause the motor was tampered with. If you add coolant in the combustion chamber and crank over the motor, what do you think will happen? Coolant doesnt mysteriously dry up
There was no where in this post where i blame them for us not winning our class. They deserve the win and i peronsally congradualated them on their lap time and achievement. This post is about the drag motor and what has happen with it.
The thing that gets me going is the rumours going around about this motor. Time was wasted and the motor was pulled down to be checked and inspected. We DID reuse the same headgasket! We put back to the motor quickly, dyno'ed it (182kw) and ran it down the 1/4 to show the motor was perfectly fine!
No were near wild accusations. There is facts, figures and witnesses in this whole process
I still havent heard from the other party. They got my message and phone number.
Originally Posted by bennjamin
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