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    United States Grand Prix - Discussion

    They're going almost 350km/h down that straight!!! That is unbelievably fast. Hands up if you've been 350km/h in a car...

    Ralf Schumacher into his favourite wall. What are the odds. History repeats itself as he misses the US GP again.

    The Red Bulls have new engines. 35bhp more they reckon. Couldn't have picked a better circuit for some more horses. But will it last an entire race? New engine, more power, you never know. For DC's sake lets hope it does. He's had a really good season so far, far greater than my expectations anyway.

    McLaren look to have this one by the balls. If the Renaults can qualify somwhere up the front then they might just get into the first turn infront and hold them off for a while. Ferrari looks nothing special. BAR might have some pace here, but like Williams, they're lacking a bit of speed down the straight. Williams will be hoping for a lot of retirements or a couple of safety cars just at the right time.

    Will weather play a part? Looks fine and mostly sunny.

    Pity it's on at 4am. As tempted as I am to go to bed early and get up for the race, I might have to tape this one.

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    Possible Tyre problem for Michelin



    function openwindow(url,title,options) { window.open(url,title,options); }Michelin scrambling to solve tyre mystery
    In talks with the FIA at Indianapolis





    Problems for Michelin at Indianapolis
    Tyre manufacturer Michelin, which supplies all but three Formula One teams, was desperately seeking answers Saturday after it was unable to determine the cause of tyre failures in Friday practice for the US Grand Prix.

    "Following the incidents of yesterday, Michelin has controlled all the tyres that ran during the session of yesterday morning and afternoon," a statement from Michelin said. "Despite all the checks that we've done, both here and in our test facilities in Clermont-Ferrand, we have not been able to understand or reproduce the problem of yesterday."

    Michelin were concerned enough about the situation they were trying to have new tyres sent to Indianapolis from their headquarters in France.

    "We've been working with our people in Clermont- Ferrand in order to identify a product that we know is capable of running at Indianapolis, and we are in a process of discussing this possibility with the FIA and are actively pursuing the dispatch of these tyres to Indianapolis," the Michelin statement said.

    Left rear tyre failures led to crashes for two Toyota drivers, Ralf Schumacher and Ricardo Zonta, on Friday. Schumacher, who hit a barrier at speed, wasn't medically cleared to race and was to be replaced for the remainder of the weekend by the team's third driver, Zonta, whose tyre failure in practice had less dire consequences.

    Michelin had also advised teams on car set-ups to maximize their tyres' safety, which they said should not hinder performance.

    As changes were made by the teams, only two Michelin-shod cars posted times in Saturday morning's third free practice but in the fourth and final session, all were running on the full circuit.

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    more developments

    Michelin runners to run at Indy?
    Concerns over US Grand Prix participation





    Big problems at the US Grand Prix
    It’s been a torrid weekend so far for Michelin at Indianapolis with reports now coming in from the French AFP agency that the French company is advising its teams not to take part in qualifying or the 73-lap US Grand Prix as things stand at the moment.

    Michelin, in talks with the FIA, are looking at the feasibility of flying in a completely new batch of tyres from its French base for use in the race, but this requires authorisation from the FIA and agreement from Bridgestone.

    After recommendations were issued by Michelin concerning tyre usage at Indianapolis, Flavio Briatore clarified the Renault F1 Team’s position on the situation.

    “We fully support Michelin in this situation, and in the efforts they are making to best resolve it. They are flying out different tyres to use in tomorrow’s race – the same that were used in Barcelona for the Spanish Grand Prix,” explained Briatore. “The authorisation to use them has not yet been granted, but if that were not given, we would not compete in tomorrow’s race. The safety of our drivers remains our number one priority.”

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    Scary stuff... not good for the drivers' confidence!

    Trulli on pole!! He is SUPER light!! He must have 5 laps worth of fuel in that thing.
    Button in third. That's another good qualifying effort by him.
    Coulthard WAY off the pace in 16th. Heidfeld 15th! That makes Webber and Massa look pretty good.

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    indeed! trullie is super fast.
    juan he made a little lock up! so he could of been up the grip a little more.
    kimi is going to win! if he comes into the first corner an gets 1st. an just runs away an wins.
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    Flavio Briatore has said, "if no new tyres, both Alonso and Fisichella are not racing"
    That is amazing!

    Ralf is also out of the GP, Zonta is taking his place!

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    A few articles from ITV f1 webpage.


    Formula 1 impresario Bernie Ecclestone has dismissed suggestions that the United States Grand Prix might not go ahead due to a mass boycott by the Michelin teams.

    Having been unable to find an explanation for the tyre failures that the Toyota team suffered in practice yesterday, Michelin is seeking permission from the FIA to fly in a batch of new tyres of a different specification from those used so far at Indianapolis.



    This is a hot potato as far as the governing body and Michelin’s rival supplier Bridgestone are concerned, since such actions would involve several technical regulations being waived.



    If it is not allowed to run the new tyres, and doesn't make any progress in its efforts to get to the bottom of the problem, Michelin has said it will strongly counsel that its teams should not start tomorrow's race.



    Ecclestone was due to hold a meeting with team bosses on Saturday afternoon, and claimed he was confident a way out of the impasse would be found.

    “I think they [the Michelin teams] will find a tyre that will work and they will be able to start all right,” he told ITV-F1’s Jim Rosenthal.

    When asked whether he expected a full grid of 20 cars to start the race, Ecclestone replied, “Absolutely. I am 100 percent sure it will happen.”

    Ecclestone’s comments appear to indicate that he is prepared to support Michelin’s request in order to ensure that there is a race for the American public to watch tomorrow.

    However, he implicitly accepted that the granting of special dispensation to Michelin could lead to protests from the Bridgestone teams and the race result ultimately being settled in the courts.

    “I think if they do [run new tyres], they will be in breach of regulations – that’s obvious,” said Ecclestone.

    “But I am sure the stewards will let them run and we will see afterwards what will happen."
    Minardi boss Paul Stoddart has waded into the simmering controversy over tyre safety, warning that whatever decision is taken in the next 24 hours will have far-reaching repercussions.

    Stoddart drew a parallel between Michelin’s request to be allowed to use a new batch of tyres in tomorrow’s race – in contravention of at least four F1 regulations – and his own campaign to be permitted to run 2004-spec cars in this year’s opening race at Melbourne.

    On that occasion, Stoddart was involved in a stand-off with the FIA, winning an injunction from the civil courts that he should be allowed to enter his 2004 cars in the Australian Grand Prix only to finally relent and adapt the Minardis to conform with the 2005 regulations.

    Stoddart, whose team runs on Bridgestone tyres, says he has sympathy for the predicament rival Michelin outfits find themselves in – but that the FIA would be acting inconsistently (make that hypocritically) if it were to allow the rules to be bent.

    “The procedure is that 10 teams are going to have to agree something,” Stoddart was quoted as saying on SpeedTv.com.

    “In the interests of safety I will agree, and let’s just say that Jordan and [Ferrari boss Jean] Todt, the other two Bridgestone runners, agree.

    “You’re then going to have to have Max [Mosley]’s agreement, and Bernie [Ecclestone]’s agreement, so the 12 Concorde [Agreement] signatories are going to have to agree.

    “Then Max has to request, I believe is the right word, the stewards to go along with it.

    “The last time such a request was made, people will remember, was in Melbourne, when I had 10 signatures, and the stewards turned down such a request.

    “They were sympathetic to it, but it was outside the regulations.

    “This was clearly outside the regulations, so it will be interesting to see what happens.”

    Stoddart claimed he was not raising these objections out of partisanship, but out of a desire to see the regulations applied on a consistent basis.

    “I have the greatest sympathy for Michelin, it’s a great company, and I have great empathy with the teams that are affected by it,” he said.

    “But there’s no clear-cut way out of this.

    “Whatever takes place in the next few hours here, or perhaps even as much as the next 24 hours, [is] going to have far-reaching ramifications.

    “If something is rushed through because of circumstances, I can’t see that not having wider ramifications down the track.”

    One solution doing the rounds of the Indy paddock is that the Michelin teams could make a planned tyre change at some point during the race to fit a set used on Saturday.

    Scheduled tyre changes are expressly forbidden in 2005, of course, and it is not clear what penalty would be assessed to teams that followed that policy.

    “We don’t know [what the penalty would be],” admitted Stoddart. “At the start of the season we were told that the penalty was exclusion.

    “I would not want to be in Max’s shoes today.

    “At the moment the sympathy is with Michelin and the Michelin runners. No one wants to see anybody get hurt, and the whole issue of tyres and safety has come up again.

    “How many drums have to be beaten before we wake up to the idea that the only way forward is a single tyre manufacturer and a single compound?

    “It’s exactly what we all fought for, including sadly the teams that are being affected today.

    “We all fought for it in Brazil last October, in November, in December, when Max cancelled the F1 Commission meeting that would have seen that get voted for.

    “And now it’s in his latest proposals that he proposes that a single tyre should come in…”

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    Renault boss Flavio Briatore has threatened to withdraw his cars from tomorrow’s US Grand Prix unless permission is granted for Michelin to use a new batch of tyres flown in from its Clermont-Ferrand factory.
    “We fully support Michelin in this situation, and in the efforts they are making to best resolve it,” Briatore said in a statement released by the team.

    “They are flying out different tyres to use in tomorrow’s race – the same that were used in Barcelona for the Spanish Grand Prix.

    “The authorisation to use them has not yet been granted, but if that were not given, we would not compete in tomorrow’s race.

    “The safety of our drivers remains our number one priority.”

    In order to be able to run tyres of a different specification to those nominated prior to the event – in contravention of the technical regulations – Michelin will require special dispensation from the FIA as well as the agreement of its rival Bridgestone-shod teams.

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    If Bridgestone are going to protest, they must protest BEFORE the race commences. Then when a faulty tyre explodes, they will face the consequences. If they protest AFTER the race then they are cowardly and unsporting.

    Ofcourse it will require the FIA to waive the rules they are in breack of. But it is nothing like Soddard's claims... this is a matter of safety. The next time someone has a tyre failure in turn 13, they might not walk away. Soddard is a tool.

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    3:30 2005 Formula One Grand Prix

    fark how come chan 10 is playing it at 3.30 am...

    race starts at like 12 midnight melb time...

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    not true viv, rules are rules, and they have to be applied fairly/consistently. Like laws in society, the same is for the rules in competition, wihtout consistent application, whos to say that favouritism and other political aspects come into play, which clearly it would be (money being one of them when 14 cars are forced of the grid).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pornstar
    not true viv, rules are rules, and they have to be applied fairly/consistently. Like laws in society, the same is for the rules in competition, wihtout consistent application, whos to say that favouritism and other political aspects come into play, which clearly it would be (money being one of them when 14 cars are forced of the grid).
    100% agree!

    Kenshin - Race starts at 4am east coast, coverage starts at 3:30am

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