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  1. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by pornstar
    if its ok, ill get the ozhoinda boyz down there for a day haha
    now now we dont want to embarras them do we lol :P

  2. #26
    oh is this thing gonna be at phillip island weekend that is posted in the events section? cause i would love to see somethiig like this in action

  3. #27
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    In all honesty, you have access to a lot of resources on this forum - Visitors here include 2 of the better Honda engine builders and race car engineers.

    IF you wanna get right into it, send the details (with lap times, car (civic/teg etc), to me and I shall forward them - Any "expert" who is answering the question with 13,000rpm is a few fries short of a happy meal.

  4. #28
    tinkerbell might be able to offer some insight into this. if your after info, he's always got something to say

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    Whatever happens post back here cause we are all happy to learn.

    Gluck!
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  6. #30
    yep Dynodave has answered many questions so far, and his help has been inmeasureable.

    Im not getting narky, but this post is quite a serious post, but ppl are talking like these guys are idiots that would not do the first simple things that would not cost above 20k.

    Ill clarify that, Im not taking it personal from anyone, and tho i sumtimes seem it, im not going personal on anyone either, except u can understand my frustration when i get 10 pm's about absolutely crap that doesnt even reflect on the problem.

    McChook, theres pros and cons to every setup, im sure u would know that as u seem to be quite a smart guy. At the same time then, u should also realise that there is no 1 best solution for every problem. Hvaing 13k of maximum rpms is going to allow the driver to change the driving condition to suit each track to a certain degree. As for forwarding u info and stuff, if u read the post carefully, alot of this has to be done in PRIVATE and confidential, thus i cannot just forward info like that. If these so called "expert" visitors could help, why dont they just post here or PM me like Dynodave has done? theres an answer for that that i hope i dont have to say, ur smart enough work it out.

    Now the owner of the car does not mind if we are there for the dyno, BUT the dyno operator has not given an ok as we have not put a question to him.

    And again, thanks for all the PMS from ppl who actually looked at the question for what i asked, and didnt friggin pick on the nitty gritty of the setup.

    Tsonda, no way it will be ready in time, the head that is being ported on the flow bench took more than 4 weeks to do because of the ever changing stroke length, and rotational mass on the head. Currently looking at removing the head rocker design and going toa 1to1 shim and bucket. Any inputs?

    After all that I have said, yes its good to be reminded of the simple things cos sometimes they can be overlooked, but when its done in a manner that seems to be ridiculing a setup, u can understand the frustration one would feel.

    PEace all.

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    thanks for that and good luck!
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  8. #32
    Pornstar,

    To get 2000 cc have you kept the stroke of the engine standard and resleeved the engine to run an 85mm bore?

    Or are you using a different stroke and a slightly more conservative bore?

    Am very interested in how this turns out.

    Good Luck.

    James.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pornstar
    McChook, theres pros and cons to every setup, im sure u would know that as u seem to be quite a smart guy. At the same time then, u should also realise that there is no 1 best solution for every problem. Hvaing 13k of maximum rpms is going to allow the driver to change the driving condition to suit each track to a certain degree. As for forwarding u info and stuff, if u read the post carefully, alot of this has to be done in PRIVATE and confidential, thus i cannot just forward info like that. If these so called "expert" visitors could help, why dont they just post here or PM me like Dynodave has done? theres an answer for that that i hope i dont have to say, ur smart enough work it out.
    To be honest - The best people don't post here as they get bombarded with emails from people who can;t do their own research, or have no clue whatsoever. The amount of rediculous and just plain dumb questions myself and my father recieve on SkylinesAustralia is obscene, and takes a lot of time to answer too - and there is the answer to your question.

    Work it out - experts charge a lot of money for their time.
    The time they spent replying to messages and emails is free to the quaestion asker, but costs the writer time. That time is valuable money which will never be recovered. A lot of the time, the same question is asked over and over, as is so frequent on this forum in particular. Thats why, when a rather different post like this comes up, it sparks a little bit of extra attention, and I assure you, a lot of interesting peope have looked at this thread with interest.

    In the end, leaving this one to DynoDave was easy - he answered first, no need to jump in on his answer. Dave knows his shit, there's no need for myself or anyone else to take it further in PMs.

    The secrets to building an engine aren't always secrets.

    And also, in reply to the question - I'd be running one of the ELF mixtures (not LMS or TurboMAX). May as well, since the budget is high, use the best petrol you can and make more horsepower

  10. #34
    pornstar: hehe nah i honestly wouldnt have a clue about the real technical side of engines, hence i havent really questioned any of your comments i just read and try to learn. im positive you know what your doing, respect!

  11. #35
    thats the nail right there McChook. Your only problem is that my post isnt a statement of "golly look at this mad setup", its a question looking for an answer. I dont really care whos interested and whos not etc. I just wanna find answers to the qn asked.

    As for skylines australia, dont even bring them into this forum, those guys are macho 2000 kw machines running 60psi boost stock. Their ignorance is a whole new meaning to the word.

    Anyway, I guess by ur statement, u dont think power can be made past 10k?

    crx_16x, ur right, by shortening the stroke it does loewr the CC capacity, but on NA setups, the sleeves can be overbored that far that it almost goes to 2 litres. Again, we have not measured it, nor do we know how much the stroke has changed by, its still being tested and being worked out. And u will note that i specifically said, its CLOSE to 2 litres, but didnt say that it was 2 litres

  12. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by pornstar
    Therefore to rectify the problem, the car owner wants the revs to go to 13k rpms, and hence keep him in the top of 4th without having to do 2 gear changes, this is one of the main reasons why he wants to be able to rev to 13k rpms.
    .
    i have only read page 1,

    if this is the MAJOR reason for 13krpm,

    maybe it will be cheaper to custom build a gearbox than rev to 13k @ 14:1cr? in the long run...

    i have heard of them in the US...

    i think Dave might have a contact?

    just a lateral thought
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