if your new to tuning, then i'd recommend not to go chrome. It runs everything fine, pretty much like most ECU systems, but you'll need to get the datalogger stuff to tune it and not many tuners will tune it.
End of the day if your new to stuff you don't want something that is gonna give you a headache trying to tune. It will not save you more money
i disagree if ur prepared to read and try what your doing...
i learnt alot from crome and me and a friend tuned my car (street tune) on crome
the surport is there from the us guys and besides setting up the datalogger ive had no problems what so ever...
i dont agree with people when they say aw just get a powerfc or just get a motec etc. because alot of people (namely me) dont have the money to spend on motec or in my case power fc isnt avalible for my engine.
for value for money its cheap and is as user friendly as say the new wolf system.
alot of people in the west only like to tune with v/afc, pfc, etc. and if u ask for a unknown ecu. they turn and dont wana know. its not that scary
this goes for ALL management like neptune etc.
and the us guys are using it so what makes them different to u... there not better, there not smarter, there no different to us....
But what Limbo is saying is that most tuners wont tune it or want to know and my become a headache not at all dising the ecu
As most ppl cant road tune there car by them selfs then it may become a problem trying to get a tuner to get them to tune it as they would rather use what they are familar with and dont want to experiment and have a customers car blow up as this would reflect on the tuner and at the end of the day word of mouth can really hurt a tuners business, but i completely understand your point
WOULD YOU LIKE SOME FRONT BAR WITH YOUR FRONT MOUNT
and i hate that track of people keeping mainstream... but i guess its just the way of the world...
its also a shame i see it all the time where im forced for example to give an unfinished car back to a person when i work 24hrs on a weekend after i do an engine swap and im not happy because people dont realise whats involved
if someone like myself is happy to work through it with a tuner and see the probs first hand and understand u dont mind helping out. its when u get some guy who just throws money at a problem to fix it and doesnt understand, is when u need to be mainstream i see both storys and ive been on both sides
Plus Hondata S100 is only like $350 when you supply the ECU
Why would you bother with anything else
Because a chipped OBD1 ecu is like $250, ecu, chip & 2 basemaps.
Here's my theory. Global economy has hit an all time low. crome (not chrome) is a free tuning program. If tuners would aim more at lower budget customers, they would get more business.
I know alot of us tuners use crome. Not 1 tuner (correct me if wrong) in australia have i heard tunes with crome. Neptune, yeah but only neptune RTP...
A perfect example would be me. Since no one tunes crome, DIY tuning cost too much, im forced to use an AFC cause its cheap. If i knew a crome tuner in QLD, i would deff scrap the AFC & use a chipped OBD1 ecu...
exactly im trying to get one of the local shops here to do it and hes quite keen.. we have 2 cars that i know of with crome and im lookin at running the 2nd possibly 3 ecus off it
the only people who can change it is the demand...
and to get more demand we need to c modifiers/enthusiats (like ourselves) surport the products instead burn them like ebay knock offs...
Just rem that end of the day, Crome, Neptune & hondata all use a factory ECU and adjust its maps.
Hondata has alot more tuner support & the tuners can sell it, that's wat it comes down to.
But for this thread with a person who is new to all this, it is not cheaper to go down the less trodden path.
If you have a better understanding of cars, and have access to someone who can tune or help with it, you'd most likely have taken their advice rather than some internet mechanic.
I've had quite a few tuned cars, and they can be real headaches when you cannot get them working properly. I even ended up selling one cos the ECU tune on it was so crap i hated the car. SOmeone else brought it off me and got it retuned, and had no issues with it at all. My loss. I've seen this happen alot of times. (my age is now showing ;p)
If you new to the scene, get what you want built and run a common ECU that you can readily get support. More enjoyment for you.
A-man - i don't dis the ECU, but you have someone to help you with support. Most average guys out there don't have your connections so its not so easy for them. Each to their own.
im not phased what anyone says about diff ecus because there is always going to be a hater. and its not my product so i dont really care but it works for me and im now seeing the benefits of keeping at it.
i think its a little diff being in WA then u guys but we are really backwards considering.
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