5th Gen Help

**subwayboy** · 08-03-2005 01:53 PM

Hey guys,
I need to know befor i start work on my car if the clear side indecators just slide forward and then out??
also if any one could give me some info on changing the lower front bumper lights aswell.

Thanks in Advnace

John

**28RAG** · 08-03-2005 02:09 PM

side indis....get a small flat head screw driver and pop them out on the side that has the metal "prong"

front indis....youll need a long phillips head and get in behind the indi from the radiator opening and unscrew the single screw there then you shoul;d be able to push them out

**Benji** · 08-03-2005 04:58 PM

have a look at thread about clearing out the bumper indicators under 'Articles/Reviews'

**subwayboy** · 08-03-2005 07:00 PM

thanks alot guys

**ICACHA** · 10-05-2005 12:47 PM

subwayboy, your PM's are full so I'll post here...

Sorry I'm no good with the 4th, 5th generation thingie. Can you tell me year of the car?

I've got an accord myself, it's a 94 model.

I have moved my fuse box and bonnet release to free up the kick panel for such an install. I had my Dyn MW150 (5 3/4) in the kick so the 4 inch should be no issues. Just depends if your car is the same...

George

**poid** · 10-05-2005 06:31 PM

i'm planning to do the same to properly install my Dyns

where did you relocate the fusebox to?

**ICACHA** · 10-05-2005 11:36 PM

not far from where it was. straight up

**poid** · 11-05-2005 07:16 PM

thats what i wanted to hear

**28RAG** · 11-05-2005 07:41 PM

is it worth having speakers in the kick panels?

**ICACHA** · 11-05-2005 08:03 PM

i take it you've never heard a car with speakers in the kicks?

try to imagine this, you are sitting on a couch in a room BETWEEN 2 speakers i.e. listening to an artist (only 2 speakers thou).

the singer is directly in front of you AND the most important part of this is the speakers are at EQUAL path lengths to your ears.

you will always get a centre image (singers voice) unless the artist has gone cheap on the recording.

the tweeters and/or mids in the kicks bring the speakers at CLOSE to equal path lengths to your ears. thats where angles and attenuation come into play.

you ULTIMATE goal is to have a HIGH stage (where you hear the different instruments placed where they actually are on the recording stage playing) dash level lets say. and the IMAGE (the singer) SHOULD be tight and in the centre of your dash, also high (lets say between the dash and the rear view mirror).

also if you can using time alignment (not always possible) try to re-create DEPTH, the performers (singer/s and imstruments) sound like they are playing in your engine bay. i've only achieved this with one car and now it has been stripped waiting to go into a new car that the customer purchases sometime in the future.

so what you are actually trying to do is re-create that 2 speaker job in your room on the couch in your car with you sitting to one side. VERY HARD TO DO, you can spend weeks if not months with placment of your front speakers.

now you might ask how about rear speakers, well i say YOU DON'T NEED THEM. the reason being is that your car is full of glass, plastic & vinyl which those materials REFLECT sound waves (bounce the sound waves around the car).

my question to you is, have you ever seen a CINEMA without carpet on the walls?
and the answer to that question SHOULD be NO! the car is and always be the hardest room to re-create what is perfected at home in a controlled environment.

does that answer why kicks are the MOST sort after spot to place high frequency speakers and IF it's possible the kick (such as E36 and previous BMW's) is also the best place for the midwoofer. having all the speakers (you can try coaxial speakers) in the kick can also make the stage seem light it's in front of you rather than to the sides when the midbass hits. cars with large kicks would be the best option there.

the subsonic frequencies should not over power the front stage (speakers) as it tends to drag your stage back. i know in this IMPERFECT world there are more bassheads than there are normal people so we tend to sell what makes money and not what is pleasant to the ear. bass sells and sound quality doesnt as any IDIOT can put too much bass in a car, but there are FEW that can make it sound SWEET!!!

**poid** · 11-05-2005 08:22 PM

too true, rears are not needed and usually the system sounds better without them.

I'll have to make do with just the mids and maybe the tweets in the kicks, not enough room for the 7" bastards in an accord

The only problem in car is that no matter how good you get the stage and the system balanced, as soon as you turn the key you're back to having farked sound in comparison (unless you have sounds deadened the shite out of the thing)