Formula 1 2009 season discussion

[hooyn]

9 days till first prac in melbourne


whos are you rooting for this season?

what races will you go to ?

what do you think about the new changes thats happened ?





im going for the new brawngp team, and red bull.

hoping to see button and vettel get some podiums

hope that mcclaren and ferrari have some competition

cant wait to see kers in use

:D

[1900-hustler]

woooooo

im hoping vettell can prove that he is a contender..
i would like to see him up in the mix again this year..

i'll place my bets on teams after the melb gp.. i wana see which team has got all this kers malarky right..

bring on the season wooot

[Type S Tony]

I was a big fan of Kimi but he left mclaren & now i have no respect for him!, its asif he saved his best driving for ferrari! so Go HAMILTONNNNNNN! show em how its done son!

[bo279]

Mclaren looks like they're struggling. They even admitted that they won't be competing for wins yet...but its probly all BS
BrawnGP are doing incredibly well in testing. But that could be qualifying pace compared to race pace from he other teams.

Also, Button is the most overated driver.

[JDM.Power]

alonso and his renault team should be back on track for this year.

bmw sauber should be a stronger team than last year also.

[bo279]

looks like a good competitive year as well. Not one team dominated testing.

Also they've introduced a new system where the driver with the most wins will get the drivers title. If the wins are equal than it'll come down to points. Massa would've won last year under this system.

[Type S Tony]

Man F1 is so hectic, I was i could be a mechanic on a f1 team!

[1900-hustler]

yea i just read about the new structure regarding the most wins = 2009 driver champion..

so what happens to consistency then..

we might see drivers who dont have a shot at winning just retiring their car so then can get new engines for the next race..

[bo279]

I think the only way to fix the scoring system is to maybe not spread it out so wide. Maybe go back to the old system of only giving point to the first six. I think the gap between 1st and 2nd is not big enough, use to be 4 pts but now its only 2.

atm you pretty much just finish in the top half and you get some points.


Hamilton won by a point last year. im pretty sure he scored some pts on his shocking weekends where he came 8th. thats BS.

Similar to V8, where russell ingall won the title when i think he only won 1 round.

[Petronas]

Petronas - Number one OzHonda F1 fan! If I didnt check each and everyone of these sites everyday, I'd go crazy...

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/
http://formula-1.updatesport.com/
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/index.shtml
http://www.planet-f1.com/
http://www.pitpass.com/

Wtf... I have just read about the rule changes... This is a f*cking joke... I've followed F1 since 2003 and have seen season reviews since 1975 and this one of the most boneheaded moves by Bernie and the FIA... ffs...

[MRFIT]

I am rooting for Massa all the way.... as long as Hamilton doesn't win, I will be happy...

[_CiVIC_]

cmonnnnnn FERRARI!!!

waiting till Schumacher makes a comeback LOLOL!


oh and I can't stand Hamilton!!! B00!!!!!!!! you succcckkk!

[^^v]

man honest to god fkn MAX MOSLY that fkn faggot... always has to ruin shit... fk the new rule changes (points system) ... its just dulled the championship... shoulda kept it as it was...

anywayz just goin by testing pace (not just quali runs but long runs too) n from what other drivers/teams r sayin about brawn gp... they'll be walking away with the victory come melb...

CF will be struggling... i predict him losing his front wing from breaking too late into the first corner...

[1900-hustler]

ahh now i wish i was going to the race in melb...

*looks at bank account..* :(

[Petronas]

man honest to god fkn MAX MOSLY that fkn faggot... always has to ruin shit... fk the new rule changes (points system) ... its just dulled the championship... shoulda kept it as it was...

anywayz just goin by testing pace (not just quali runs but long runs too) n from what other drivers/teams r sayin about brawn gp... they'll be walking away with the victory come melb...

CF will be struggling... i predict him losing his front wing from breaking too late into the first corner...

I agree, Max AND Bernie need to step down... (Though we know we wont see Bernie gone for a long time yet...)

Points suck, I agree...

I don't agree that BrawnGP will be walking away though... I still think it's a stunt to get sponsers...

[^^v]

I don't agree that BrawnGP will be walking away though... I still think it's a stunt to get sponsers...

its a possibility... although i doubt it

they're not just puttin in a flying lap on fumes...their long stint pace is roughly .5 to 1 sec faster than the other teams...

also gota rememba its Ross Brawn... hes a no nonsense type of guy.. n it would make no sense for them 2 remove ballast for the tests (assuming thats what they're doing) as that would interfere with setup data...

plus this year they're being bankrolled by Honda and to a certain extent bernie (advanced payment of tv revenus)... n Ross has been quoted as wanting to find a long term sponsor.. not a short term one wanting to get cheap exposure thru topping testing times...

heres an article taken from f1live.com
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090316140253.shtml

Ross Brawn has plainly rejected speculation his Brackley-based team is artificially topping the test timesheets.

Ever since the BGP 001 recently made its debut, it has stunned the F1 world with its pace, raising suggestions the speed is being achieved with low levels of fuel. Another suggestion is that the Mercedes-powered car may also be running beneath the official minimum weight of 605kg plus driver, in a desperate bid to attract sponsors following Honda's withdrawal.

But team owner and boss Brawn told Auto Motor und Sport: "I am looking for long time partners, not sponsors who want to buy a cheap spot because of fast lap times."

Even F1's cynics are coming around to the realisation that the car is genuinely quick no matter the configuration, with the exclusion of underpowered Honda engines another factor at play.


"Just the driveability of the engine is a dream," Rubens Barrichello, referring to Brawn's customer deal with Mercedes-Benz, said. "Finally, when I accelerate, I have the feeling of knowing what to expect.”

"The power is wonderfully manageable and predictable," he added.

E.A, Source: GMM
© CAPSIS International

[bo279]

Petronas - Number one OzHonda F1 fan! If I didnt check each and everyone of these sites everyday, I'd go crazy...

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/
http://formula-1.updatesport.com/
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/index.shtml
http://www.planet-f1.com/
http://www.pitpass.com/

Wtf... I have just read about the rule changes... This is a f*cking joke... I've followed F1 since 2003 and have seen season reviews since 1975 and this one of the most boneheaded moves by Bernie and the FIA... ffs...

Petronas, you tried this one ? http://www.itv-f1.com/Home.aspx
that's my daily dose.

Like i said b4 they should get rid of the pts for the first 8 placings. That rule was introduced because of schumacher winning the championship with still half the season to go.

[bo279]

CF will be struggling... i predict him losing his front wing from breaking too late into the first corner...

Who's CF?

[Petronas]

Petronas, you tried this one ? http://www.itv-f1.com/Home.aspx
that's my daily dose.

Like i said b4 they should get rid of the pts for the first 8 placings. That rule was introduced because of schumacher winning the championship with still half the season to go.

Hmm here's and interesting article... Finally something that "I think" will do the sport some good...

30Mil Buget cap though with allot more technical freedom...
http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45280


Who's CF?
"Captain Faggot" aka Lewis Hamilton

[bo279]

CF's got a pussy cat doll....wonder how he managed that!!

Didn't read all the fine prints, but i cant see how $30mil is going to be enough, especially for staff n drivers. i mean, alonso would be pretty close to that mark already per season.
I read somewhere that toyota spend around 300-400mil a year.

Also back in 98 or 99, there was a 5 week gap between the second last race and last race. Championship to be decided between schumacher and hakkinen, the two teams reported spend around $50mil each on developement for that race.
It all went down the drain for ferrari when schumacher stalled it on the grid from the front row and was moved all the way to the back.

[i_s2_honda]

WOOOOO!!! bought my tickets few days ago... can't wait :p

seriously banking on Renault this year, either Renault or BMW... don't know why but i reckon seeming as if a lot of things have been standardized ferrari and mclaren will struggle this year...

[^^v]

ferarri i think are on top of this years regulations...
maccas on the other hand.. they're struggling (so far)... i wont be suprized if they copy a few ideas from brawns car lol...

[rom5]

Alonso to win 2009!!:wave:

Webber to have a good year:thumbsup:

CF :thumbdwn:

[tron07]

hamilton will crash in to alonso's car and they will both come out and punch on... that would being more exicitement to the sport

[Petronas]

CF's got a pussy cat doll....wonder how he managed that!!

Didn't read all the fine prints, but i cant see how $30mil is going to be enough, especially for staff n drivers. i mean, alonso would be pretty close to that mark already per season.
I read somewhere that toyota spend around 300-400mil a year.

Also back in 98 or 99, there was a 5 week gap between the second last race and last race. Championship to be decided between schumacher and hakkinen, the two teams reported spend around $50mil each on developement for that race.
It all went down the drain for ferrari when schumacher stalled it on the grid from the front row and was moved all the way to the back.

Maybe the budget won't apply to driver salaries? The teams will always adapt to the money thing... What interests me is the "technical freedom" part...

Formula One has always been about technical excellence and development... Creating new things...

Stupid rules like "engine freezes" will only make things more dull, eg. Renault/Redbull in 2008... ffs Toro Rosso got a win...


hamilton will crash in to alonso's car and they will both come out and punch on... that would being more exicitement to the sport

I agree... Alonso would f*ck Hamilton up I rekcon... In a punch on that is... (And probably on the track too with equal equipment...

[^^v]

the budget cap apply to EVERYTHING (except motorhomes and FIA fines)... so that includes driver salaries team salries.. testing... development.. PR... everything....
which i think its pretty ridiculous...
i cant see anyone actually implementing it...
they giv u all this freedom (unlimited revs.. unlimited testing bla bla) but where on earth r they gona develop when there's hardly any money (in f1 standards)...

FIA hav totally ****ed up this one (which isnt a suprise)...

[s2ker]

Im rooting for alonso this time around im hoping that renault is up to spec and he can shove it to CF and fagclaren

[1900-hustler]

no one fans of bmw sauber?

[Joe kickarse]

be interesting to see how kubica goes this year

[1900-hustler]

wanna go to melb next weekend john..
watch the f1.. i can sit on your shoulders.. and vice versa to get better views..

no homo

ps.. yeah kubica was in the mix last year..

i duno if i wana see alonso take it out this year.... go vettell hahah

[bo279]

i think f1 needs new people to manage it...get some drivers in there ffs. It's getting stale. These old farts are running out of ideas and cant't make up their minds.

Like the engine freeze, they say u cant develop your engine, but then renaults somehow fall behind everyone else and they say OK u can develop your engine to catch up and look at alonso dominate the end of season.

Look at the amount of changes and regulations that's been introduced in the last 5-10years. Some of these rules have been rediculous and didnt last long, like the no tyre changing rule, which i think helped renault and alonso ALOT to win the championship. 1 lap qualifying. now slick tyres are back as well.

When i first started watching (1994), it was exciting. anything can happen. watching schumacher in the then benneton car beating the then unbeatable williams.
Also back then the car wasn't as big a factor as it is today, but more about the driver, schumacher chasing down a ferrari with 10 laps to go and 30 seconds ahead of him. that's the kind of sh!t u dont expect to see anymore. Even if they chase them down, they wouldn't be able to overtake.

[Petronas]

i think f1 needs new people to manage it...get some drivers in there ffs. It's getting stale. These old farts are running out of ideas and cant't make up their minds.

I absolutely agree with you



Like the engine freeze, they say u cant develop your engine, but then renaults somehow fall behind everyone else and they say OK u can develop your engine to catch up and look at alonso dominate the end of season.

They didn't let Renault update their engine until 2009 I think...? Otherwise I'm pretty sure RBR would have demanded that they receive the upgraded engine as well... And thus probably being able to challenge for the win in Monza... (Webber was close tot he top 4 but just couldn't keep his pace up to match Vettel)



When i first started watching (1994), it was exciting. anything can happen. watching schumacher in the then benneton car beating the then unbeatable williams.

I started watching in 2003 but I've seen every season review from 1975...

How f*cking utterly awesome was the 1993 season!? Senna in an underpowered, customer-Ford engined McLaren taking it to Prost and his dominating Williams...

[bo279]

see...back then it was all about skills. Talent doesn't get lost in the crowd like it does now. Hamilton is lucky to get McLaren, i mean he's an awesome driver (still a d!ck though) but i don't see him going too well if in force india.

if it was all about car in the schumacher era, he might've been lost in the crowd too. He was snatched from jordan by benetton only after a few races cause he was doing so well. think he qualfied 6th or 7th in his first race, but crashed it in the first corner =D.

Where u get the season reviews from Petronas? Download or youtube?
Love watching old in-car footage, shows how much more they had to fight the cars than they do now.

[Petronas]

Where u get the season reviews from Petronas? Download or youtube?
Love watching old in-car footage, shows how much more they had to fight the cars than they do now.

I got it from this private torrent tracker site called "Pirrana Exchange" ... 35GB

It's closed down now... It took me 4 months lol...

I could send it to you a copy in the mail if you want.. 4 DVD disks I think... PM me


see...back then it was all about skills. Talent doesn't get lost in the crowd like it does now. Hamilton is lucky to get McLaren, i mean he's an awesome driver (still a d!ck though) but i don't see him going too well if in force india.

if it was all about car in the schumacher era, he might've been lost in the crowd too. He was snatched from jordan by benetton only after a few races cause he was doing so well. think he qualfied 6th or 7th in his first race, but crashed it in the first corner =D.

I think the car to change it all was the 1993 Williams... First car with Active suspension wasn't it? It was also the first car to test CVT (Constantly variable transmission)..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3UpBKXMRto

It was banned...

You have to remember Traction control was banned in the 90's but there were rumors that most teams were using some sort of traction control in their cars... (Especially Benetton in the Schumacher era...)

[^^v]

Some good news... the new rules regarding points (championship decided by wins) might not stick.... All the Teams r against the idea...
12 8 6 5 4 3 2 1 is a better alternative...


http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090320164731.shtml

The following is a statement from the Formula One Teams' Association in which they express their unhappiness with the decisions made by the FIA World Motor Sport Council earlier this week.

"Following the decision of the World Motorsport Council of the 17 March 2009 to change the way the drivers’ championship is awarded, the teams gathered and unanimously agreed to question the validity of this decision.

"FOTA had made a proposal that was carefully based on the results of a Global Audience Survey, which allowed listening to preferences of the public, and all the teams firmly believe that these indications should be properly taken into account.


"The amendment to the sporting regulations proposed by the World Motorsport Council was not performed in accordance with the procedure provided for by Appendix 5 of the Sporting Regulations and, as per the provisions of the article 199 of the FIA International Sporting Code, it is too late for FIA to impose a change for the 2009 season that has not obtained the unanimous agreement of all the competitors properly entered into the 2009 Formula 1 Championship.

"Since the change to the scoring system unanimously agreed by the Teams and proposed to FIA did not receive approval of the WMSC, no change can occur in 2009, and the Teams wish to reaffirm their willingness to collaborate with the FIA in order to jointly define a new point system for the 2010 season within a comprehensive set of measures aimed at further stimulating the attractiveness of the F1 Sport."

E.A, Source: GMM
© CAPSIS International

[Petronas]

Some good news... the new rules regarding points (championship decided by wins) might not stick.... All the Teams r against the idea...
12 8 6 5 4 3 2 1 is a better alternative...


http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090320164731.shtml

F*cking thank god...

[bo279]

I got it from this private torrent tracker site called "Pirrana Exchange" ... 35GB

It's closed down now... It took me 4 months lol...

I could send it to you a copy in the mail if you want.. 4 DVD disks I think... PM me



I think the car to change it all was the 1993 Williams... First car with Active suspension wasn't it? It was also the first car to test CVT (Constantly variable transmission)..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3UpBKXMRto

It was banned...

You have to remember Traction control was banned in the 90's but there were rumors that most teams were using some sort of traction control in their cars... (Especially Benetton in the Schumacher era...)

Cools. Pm send

Yeah theres always rumours of team with traction control. It got too hard for them to poilce and finally they just ended up legalising it. At one point they even had pictures as prove from a McLaren when they were dominating in the late 90s.

[JDM.Power]

Scoring change to occur in 2010 – Ecclestone

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090322160654.shtml

it would just keep getting pushed back if all teams dont agreee.

[_CiVIC_]

cmonnnnnnnn FERRARI!!! only a few more sleeps! :thumbsup:

[hooyn]

heres drivers for this season


McLaren Mercedes
1 Lewis Hamilton (GB)
2 Heikki Kovalainen (FIN)

Ferrari
3 Felipe Massa (BR)
4 Kimi Raikkonen (FIN)

BMW Sauber
5 Robert Kubica (PL)
6 Nick Heidfeld (D)

Renault
7 Fernando Alonso (E)
8 Nelson Piquet (BR)

Toyota
9 Jarno Trulli (I)
10 Timo Glock (D)

STR Ferrari
11 Sebastien Bourdais (F)
12 Sebastien Buemi (CH)

Red Bull Renault
14 Mark Webber (AUS)
15 Sebastian Vettel (D)

Williams Toyota
16 Nico Rosberg (D)
17 Kazuki Nakajima (J)

Force India Mercedes
19 Adrian Sutil (D)
20 Giancarlo Fisichella (I)

Brawn Mercedes
21 Jenson Button (GB)
22 Rubens Barrichello (BR)



i want to see the bolded get some podiums this time around XD

f1 is so addictive

[GreekWarrior]

interesting to see how Vettel does this year, he had a few good races last season


and I hope CF crashes on the first lap

[bo279]

interesting to see how Vettel does this year, he had a few good races last season


and I hope CF crashes on the first lap

i think he deserves a few crashes. Sometimes he over does it when overtaking, he basically just sticks the nose in and says i'm overtaking..move! He's lucky the other drivers let him get away with it and not just crash into each other.

Like Montoya, he had some agressive passes, but also accidents to match.

[1900-hustler]

Practice starts 12:00pm tomorrow !

Live on one HD aka TenHD aka ch 1

cant wait...

[ek4-guy]

Go HOLDEN

[1900-hustler]

Go HOLDEN

there are v8s racing lol :p

[tRipitaka]

issues with brawn GP's design..

[^^v]

All three teams (Brawn, Williams & Toyota) have been cleared to race... and cars have been deemed legal

imo the protesting teams were just having a sook that a teams come out of no where n blitz the field (Brawn)...

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090326142229.shtml

The protest lodged against the diffusers used by the Toyota, Williams and Brawn GP teams has been rejected by the FIA after a six-hour audition in Melbourne ahead of this week-end's season-opening Grand Prix.

Technical delegates had cleared the cars earlier today following the scrutineering process, but at least four teams - Renault, Red Bull, BMW Sauber and Ferrari - did not agree and formally protested.

The contesting teams had one hour to file an appeal of the FIA's decision, and they have done so with the excpetion of BMW Sauber, as reports indicate the team's paperwork arrived past the deadline.

The appeal hearing will take place after the Malaysian Grand Prix at earliest; therefore the disputed teams' race results shall remain provisional in the meantime.

Toyota statement:
Toyota Motorsport has studied the wording of the new 2009 regulations in precise detail to ensure that we have interpreted them correctly.


Toyota Motorsport Chairman Tadashi Yamashina said: "We are pleased with the decision of the race stewards but we prefer not to comment further on the situation. This weekend promises to be a tremendously exciting Australian Grand Prix so we are now looking forward to starting the competition on track with the first practice sessions on Friday."

Williams statement:
The Stewards of the Meeting for the Australian Grand Prix have rejected a protest lodged by Renault, Ferrari and Red Bull and confirmed that the Williams-Toyota FW31 is technically compliant with the appropriate 2009 Formula One Technical Regulations.

Williams' Technical Director Sam Michael said, "We are pleased with the Stewards' decision and we have no further comment to make."

[s2ker]

Does any body know where you can watch streaming of the races and practice?

[1900-hustler]

Does any body know where you can watch streaming of the races and practice?

its live on ten HD from midday friday sat & sun

otherwise you can stream it off the F1 streaming website..

http://www.f1-streaming.com/f1/

[JDM.Power]

ima get ready, for practice oooo yeah!! surround sound ! :)

[1900-hustler]

fark im at work :(

but tomorrow for quali and race im gna watch..

also with surround sound ftw hahah

[Petronas]

What time does the race start on Sunday for Sydney viewers? 5pm or 4pm (It says 4pm when I click "Convert to my local time" on F1.com)

[GreekWarrior]

hahaha CF is starting 15th tomorrow

[JDM.Power]

brawn really backed up their testing times!!

[GreekWarrior]

I reckon

pole for button and front row to brawn

[Petronas]

I reckon

pole for button and front row to brawn

F*cking amazing... I really am baffled at how good Brawn is... I think even with a Honda powerplant the Brawn Machine would have been as devastating as it is now...

Nice work Honda Motor Co. lol... (Though I know it's about saving money and bla bla bla but Honda have to admit that in at least some respect that they made a mistake, even if it was a small one...)

[GreekWarrior]

hope button wins tomorrow

[Petronas]

hope button wins tomorrow

Rubens for me... :thumbsup:

The old dog deserves to have one up on Ferrari...

I think Ross Brawn knows just how unfairly Ferrari treated Rubens, that's why he got the drive over Senna... Ross and myself have a soft spot for Rubhino...

[1900-hustler]

branson was cheering lol..

brawn gp ftw..

still backing red bull to take out the minor placings

[GreekWarrior]

Rubens for me... :thumbsup:

The old dog deserves to have one up on Ferrari...

I think Ross Brawn knows just how unfairly Ferrari treated Rubens, that's why he got the drive over Senna... Ross and myself have a soft spot for Rubhino...

as long as cf doesn't win I'm happy :P

[^^v]

this about sums up how i felt after Q3...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3y026mr7OE

i shoulda put down some money on button for the win... odds before their first test was lik 1/66...
ffffffffuuuuuuu

[hooyn]

wholeyyy shit i cant wait for the race

[hooyn]

ao what time does the race start tomorow ?

[95civic]

Starts at 5, going to be a good day!

[hooyn]

sweeeeeetttttt

[95civic]

Anyone else here going???

[supernatural]

straight to the telly after watching superlap... this is gonna be a hectic race...

[Petronas]

Starts at 5, going to be a good day!

Even for Sydney?

[1900-hustler]

cmonn button...

he was saying he was having issues with the supersoft tyres..

so i duno how hes going to go esp with the dropping track temps..


vetell & kubica may go over the top i reckon

[GreekWarrior]

nah he should be right

[1900-hustler]

how bad as was barrichello @ the start lol

i fell asleep for abit.. did he get a drive thru penalty?

[1900-hustler]

ohh choke of a pit stop

[chunky]

what is this 'curs' bullshit or whatever?
its extra power for a certain time
then it recharges
sounds like some video game shit

[chunky]

lmfao nice work
brawn 1,2 now

[ek4-guy]

lol vetel should have kept going on 3 wheels

[aaronng]

Vettel would be disqualified if he did that. Good job Button. Flawless drive.

[GreekWarrior]

brawn power!

[aaronng]

The Brawny Virgins win 1-2!

Richard Branson has freakingly eerie luck with him. How would be know that his last minute decision to sponsor Virgin would end up with his team winning 1-2?

[ek4-guy]

says a lot about honda

[GreekWarrior]

lol at vet and kuby taking each other out



honda must be kicking themselves for leaving!

[revjunkie]

that should have been honda 1 and 2..

[ek4-guy]

that should have been honda 1 and 2..

yeah if honda was using mercedes engines

[aaronng]

honda must be kicking themselves for leaving!
And so they should. It's like them for thinking that they are right all the time.

[chunky]

lol
were the merc engines that big a factor?
maybe

[revjunkie]

the honda and mercedes engines.. same hp output.. wasnt the issue.. it was the team drivers getting stale.. if you were threatened with your job loss you would perform also.

[GreekWarrior]

but dont forget also, totally new cars this year, and honda/brawn have been developing they're car for over a year now

[chunky]

honda must be dieing right now
all that work
haha

[ek4-guy]

the honda and mercedes engines.. same hp output.. wasnt the issue.. it was the team drivers getting stale.. if you were threatened with your job loss you would perform also.

hp isn't the defining factor that makes an engine it's how it makes that power

Ross Brawn took a average pakage and made it better

[B18C VVTi]

Woohoo!!! time to change the forum name to OZBRAWN.com!!!!

:honda::thumbdwn:

[yourfather]

gotta admit, it's an amazing story

[chunky]

Woohoo!!! time to change the forum name to OZBRAWN.com!!!!

:honda::thumbdwn:

hahahaha hell yeah

[B18C VVTi]

LOL...

WTB:


E63 Half Cut - I'm doing a Merc conversion for my EG. :wave:

[revjunkie]

max doughies..

[GreekWarrior]

ozbrawn.com ftw

then I wont be ashamed to tell people im a member

[Petronas]

gotta admit, it's an amazing story

You know what, at a glance it is but then when you delve deeper its kinda not...

Honda have been developing this car since early 2008... Honda has been bankrolling this team probably up until 3 weeks or so ago. This 'is' a Honda chassis (minus the engine). This car would have been little different (If at all) if Honda had of stayed...

If you want to see how a real new team will do on debut, (And not just one which took over another - This "other" being one with MASSIVE resources already put in place) wait until USGP in 2010...

If you follow F1 as closely as I do then you'll come to realize and accept that BRAWNGP or Virgin BRAWNGP, whatever it's called, will not last... They don't have the resources that Ferrari, Toyota and even Redbull have... I give them the first 3 months or so for the flyaway races then when they get back to Europe we'll see them coming back into the midfield or not as dominating as now...

By next year, mark my words, this team will be midfielders... (Note: If the salary cap does come into effect then what I said may not apply)

[StrawberryFace]

You know what, at a glance it is but then when you delve deeper its kinda not...

Honda have been developing this car since early 2008... Honda has been bankrolling this team probably up until 3 weeks or so ago. This 'is' a Honda chassis (minus the engine). This car would have been little different (If at all) if Honda had of stayed...

If you want to see how a real new team will do on debut, (And not just one which took over another - This "other" being one with MASSIVE resources already put in place) wait until USGP in 2010...

If you follow F1 as closely as I do then you'll come to realize and accept that BRAWNGP or Virgin BRAWNGP, whatever it's called, will not last... They don't have the resources that Ferrari, Toyota and even Redbull have... I give them the first 3 months or so for the flyaway races then when they get back to Europe we'll see them coming back into the midfield or not as dominating as now...

By next year, mark my words, this team will be midfielders... (Note: If the salary cap does come into effect then what I said may not apply)

Why would their awesome run change in that time? They DO have the resources to be a constantly winning outfit. The fact remains that if they keep in points paying positions, or better yet place on the podium, sponsors will throw money at them.

Don't mistake this as just another 'Force India' or 'Spyker'. Ross Brawn is an EXTREMELY capable man with plenty of industry connections.

The same thing happened when Ken Tyrrell created his own team from scratch. No one thought it was possible to match the front running Lotus', and he proved them wrong. Jackie Stewart, under Tyrrell's guidance went on to win many a grand prix with that outfit.

[^^v]

Originally Posted by revjunkie http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/images/aria/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2195555#post2195555)
the honda and mercedes engines.. same hp output.. wasnt the issue.. it was the team drivers getting stale.. if you were threatened with your job loss you would perform also.
hp isn't the defining factor that makes an engine it's how it makes that power

Ross Brawn took a average pakage and made it better

its been said the merc block is around 50-60hp up on the Honda... that certainly makes a difference on the straights...
n the drivers have also commented on how 'drivable' it is.. the power comes in really smooth.... torque is also better apparently...




You know what, at a glance it is but then when you delve deeper its kinda not...

Honda have been developing this car since early 2008... Honda has been bankrolling this team probably up until 3 weeks or so ago. This 'is' a Honda chassis (minus the engine). This car would have been little different (If at all) if Honda had of stayed...

If you want to see how a real new team will do on debut, (And not just one which took over another - This "other" being one with MASSIVE resources already put in place) wait until USGP in 2010...

If you follow F1 as closely as I do then you'll come to realize and accept that BRAWNGP or Virgin BRAWNGP, whatever it's called, will not last... They don't have the resources that Ferrari, Toyota and even Redbull have... I give them the first 3 months or so for the flyaway races then when they get back to Europe we'll see them coming back into the midfield or not as dominating as now...

By next year, mark my words, this team will be midfielders... (Note: If the salary cap does come into effect then what I said may not apply)

u cant forget that they still have one of the best facilities on the grid when it comes to development...
only thing they're lacking imo is funds... which im sure they'll get after todays results.... sponsors should be knocking on their door before the next round...

[Petronas]

Why would their awesome run change in that time? They DO have the resources to be a constantly winning outfit. The fact remains that if they keep in points paying positions, or better yet place on the podium, sponsors will throw money at them.

Don't mistake this as just another 'Force India' or 'Spyker'. Ross Brawn is an EXTREMELY capable man with plenty of industry connections.

The same thing happened when Ken Tyrrell created his own team from scratch. No one thought it was possible to match the front running Lotus', and he proved them wrong. Jackie Stewart, under Tyrrell's guidance went on to win many a grand prix with that outfit.

I see where you're coming from on this and I do agree with you that this may not be another B.A.R. 2004 season. Yes this is Brawn and not Nick Fry at the helm anymore (They should have kept Richards/Prodrive after 2004) but also remember, like I said earlier, this is not a BRAWNGP car, this car was created with Honda money...

For me, it's about the money and this teams past history on not keeping their eye on the ball (2004 to 2005)...

Only time will tell... I still stand by my judgment that Ferrari and McLaren (As well as Redbull and Toyota) will catch up in leaps and bounds after the first flyaway Grand Prix...

[EGB18CT]

great job they did, shame it finished under safety car - I had a strong feeling this was going to happen.

agree with petronas.. this was essentially a honda win, chasis developed by honda since like sept 2007 i think it was, just a merc motor dropped in. Ross was fairly new to honda too, so it was all just starting to slowly come together.

just a shame for cam mcconville, i believe he was looking to get into the f1 car.

[StrawberryFace]

agree with petronas.. this was essentially a honda win, chasis developed by honda since like sept 2007 i think it was, just a merc motor dropped in. Ross was fairly new to honda too, so it was all just starting to slowly come together.

So if the BGP001 lost, would that be a Honda loss as well?

The chassis does not make up the entire vehicle, and i think it's an insult to credit this win to Honda. Honda gave up their chance to win when they axed their F1 program...

[chunky]

yeah wtf i hear cam mcconvilles name dropped here and there?
did he move from v8s?

[EGB18CT]

when i refer to honda i mean the 'honda team' engineers, drivers, car, ross brawn included, all that is missing is the honda logos (you can say honda funded this team too - they basically developed the car/chasis bar the motor) all brawn did was basically buy the team from honda and change the name...

cam mcconville i believe was testing the car and was looking to become a future driver for them? not sure but im guessing something like that - can anyone chime in on this?

[yourfather]

You know what, at a glance it is but then when you delve deeper its kinda not...

Honda have been developing this car since early 2008... Honda has been bankrolling this team probably up until 3 weeks or so ago. This 'is' a Honda chassis (minus the engine). This car would have been little different (If at all) if Honda had of stayed...

If you want to see how a real new team will do on debut, (And not just one which took over another - This "other" being one with MASSIVE resources already put in place) wait until USGP in 2010...

If you follow F1 as closely as I do then you'll come to realize and accept that BRAWNGP or Virgin BRAWNGP, whatever it's called, will not last... They don't have the resources that Ferrari, Toyota and even Redbull have... I give them the first 3 months or so for the flyaway races then when they get back to Europe we'll see them coming back into the midfield or not as dominating as now...

By next year, mark my words, this team will be midfielders... (Note: If the salary cap does come into effect then what I said may not apply)

Typical Malaysian attitude

"mark my words" armchair expert right there....

It's an amazing story because it's about a guy who in November was told he'd have no job, the team is new, had no sponsors until yesterday and managed to come poll and 2nd and then finish the way they started.

[chunky]

isnt he nepalease?
haha

[yourfather]

i dont care if he's a butt dwelling pirate from uranus

[wtfhax]

i dont care if he's a butt dwelling pirate from uranus

omg looooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[ford_racing]

great job they did, shame it finished under safety car - I had a strong feeling this was going to happen.

agree with petronas.. this was essentially a honda win, chasis developed by honda since like sept 2007 i think it was, just a merc motor dropped in. Ross was fairly new to honda too, so it was all just starting to slowly come together.


Its not quite that simple with the chassis development.
Yes Honda did have a good basic chassis, but I'm willing to bet that the McLaren Mercedes motor / gearbox would have had different dimensions & mounting positions from the engine / gearbox Honda was working on.

And in F1 this is one of the most important parts of the car it would have required a lot of work to make it fit and keep CoG and drivability the same and improve on it.

I'll bet that they spent a lot of time & money redesigning the chassis once they got the Merc engine contract.

Either way, go team Brawn!

[Petronas]

Typical Malaysian attitude

"mark my words" armchair expert right there....

It's an amazing story because it's about a guy who in November was told he'd have no job, the team is new, had no sponsors until yesterday and managed to come poll and 2nd and then finish the way they started.

Thats the first thing that came to mind when I was typing the msg "Mark my words"... Sounds a tad cocky...

It's amazing that Brawn got all the deals put in place to get an engine, to get an entry and to revive the team (And now a sponsorship deal with Bransen).

It was however not amazing that they did so well. The only thing that amazes me is that they married the Mercedes to the Honda chassis in such a short amount of time AND that they had so little track time before the season. (Massive kudos to the team for this) Everything else was already put in place, the engineers, the R&D facilities, the car... More than a year of development competing with 8 to 6 months, hardly a surprise...

I admire very much Brawn, Fry and Rubens (Never been a Button fan).

And... what buggs me is everyone is hyping this team to be "new"... It is NOT new (in the sense that everyone thinks anyway), the only new thing about this team as of now is management and engine... Honda money has always been there (Up until a certain point anyway) and now being replaced with new money...

We will see the effects of Brawns leadership as opposed to Fry and Honda soon enough...


isnt he nepalease?
haha

Yeah lol... I'm not familiar with any native Malay culture/attitudes...

Like I said... we haven't had a new team (Built from scratch) since Toyota in 2002... Wait until USGP...

[kam]

i lol'd at that polish fag (the one who crashed 3rd last lap) who actually thought he would have one if he didnt crash. wat a fukn moron. stupid ugly ass nose too

http://www.formulaf1.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/robert-kubica-vs-gargamel.jpg

[chunky]

would have one?
you mean won?

[EGB18CT]

lol we commented on his nose when he took his helmet off, bloody tool

[^^v]

i lol'd at that polish fag (the one who crashed 3rd last lap) who actually thought he would have one if he didnt crash. wat a fukn moron. stupid ugly ass nose too

http://www.formulaf1.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/robert-kubica-vs-gargamel.jpg

not a kubica fan i take it?

he woulda been right on buttons ass if he hadnt of crashed...
n had a good chance of overtaking him as well...
vettle n button were on the softer tyre n were considerably slower than kubica...

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

I was there with my missus and once again, a handful of ferrari fans show there typical un-sportsman-like stinky attitudes! I had my Jenson Button flag and they were bagging me and my missus throughout the race! at the end of the race we held the flag over our heads proudly... lol EAD fagggzzzz...

but it was a great race... and weather was really good! So happy that I was there for Button's 2nd career victory... Honestly I didn't think I'd ever attend a race where JB would win! lol Brawn team ftw!~

[yourfather]

Thats the first thing that came to mind when I was typing the msg "Mark my words"... Sounds a tad cocky...

It's amazing that Brawn got all the deals put in place to get an engine, to get an entry and to revive the team (And now a sponsorship deal with Bransen).

It was however not amazing that they did so well. The only thing that amazes me is that they married the Mercedes to the Honda chassis in such a short amount of time AND that they had so little track time before the season. (Massive kudos to the team for this) Everything else was already put in place, the engineers, the R&D facilities, the car... More than a year of development competing with 8 to 6 months, hardly a surprise...

I admire very much Brawn, Fry and Rubens (Never been a Button fan).

And... what buggs me is everyone is hyping this team to be "new"... It is NOT new (in the sense that everyone thinks anyway), the only new thing about this team as of now is management and engine... Honda money has always been there (Up until a certain point anyway) and now being replaced with new money...

We will see the effects of Brawns leadership as opposed to Fry and Honda soon enough...



Yeah lol... I'm not familiar with any native Malay culture/attitudes...

Like I said... we haven't had a new team (Built from scratch) since Toyota in 2002... Wait until USGP...
ok it was just the arrogance that was pissing me off.

there is no such thing as native malay culture

[Petronas]

This guy says it like it like it should be said in the media...
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3265_5117553,00.html

Honda's Two-Year Strategy Is On Course
Forgive the intrusion to the "incredible fairytale" proclaimed by Eddie Jordan, but, upon reflection, the Brawn GP story is not the romantic tale of plucky underdogs making good that some elements of the F1 media are intent on depicting.

Brawn GP are not the new boys on the block. They are the massively-resourced Honda team operating under a new badge and with a considerable budget. Their figurehead is the most-celebrated engineer in the team's history. Their drivers are both established race winners. And they've been working on this car for over a year.

Where precisley is the romance in that? And where's the underdog? There is, undoubtedly, a novelty factor in finding another team at the top of the pile but, in general, Brawn are being portrayed as something they are not.

As Martin Whitmarsh remarked, Brawn are effectively reaping the rewards of "a strategy" devised by Ross Brawn 15 months ago when, in his own words, "we decided to virtually drop the programme for 2008 and concentrate on 2009."

Some might consider that strategy duplicitous. Not so; it was a business decision, and one made easy by the full horror that was the unfixable Honda. There's no polishing a turd, after all. But there's a flip-side to consider. McLaren and the like should have no shame - and suffer no repercussions - from copying aspects of the Brawn, including their controversial diffuser. "We had 15 months to look at the regulations," remarked Brawn at Melbourne. The rest of the field, busy racing to the maximum in 2008, had no such luxury.

[EGB18CT]

hamilton 3rd! trulli been relegated!!

[StrawberryFace]

This guy says it like it like it should be said in the media...
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3265_5117553,00.html

Honda's Two-Year Strategy Is On Course
Forgive the intrusion to the "incredible fairytale" proclaimed by Eddie Jordan, but, upon reflection, the Brawn GP story is not the romantic tale of plucky underdogs making good that some elements of the F1 media are intent on depicting.

Brawn GP are not the new boys on the block. They are the massively-resourced Honda team operating under a new badge and with a considerable budget. Their figurehead is the most-celebrated engineer in the team's history. Their drivers are both established race winners. And they've been working on this car for over a year.

Where precisley is the romance in that? And where's the underdog? There is, undoubtedly, a novelty factor in finding another team at the top of the pile but, in general, Brawn are being portrayed as something they are not.

As Martin Whitmarsh remarked, Brawn are effectively reaping the rewards of "a strategy" devised by Ross Brawn 15 months ago when, in his own words, "we decided to virtually drop the programme for 2008 and concentrate on 2009."

Some might consider that strategy duplicitous. Not so; it was a business decision, and one made easy by the full horror that was the unfixable Honda. There's no polishing a turd, after all. But there's a flip-side to consider. McLaren and the like should have no shame - and suffer no repercussions - from copying aspects of the Brawn, including their controversial diffuser. "We had 15 months to look at the regulations," remarked Brawn at Melbourne. The rest of the field, busy racing to the maximum in 2008, had no such luxury.

That is way underplayed...the fact remains that Honda was NEVER a competitive outfit. This weekend in Australia, however, they have shown otherwise.

[Petronas]

That is way underplayed...the fact remains that Honda was NEVER a competitive outfit. This weekend in Australia, however, they have shown otherwise.

Ross Brawn is the instigator of all this success...

And this team was competitive at one stage in their B.A.R. Honda guide under the watchful eyes of David Richards/Prodrive (Same organization which ran the Subaru WRC teams) - 2004, they came 2nd in the constructors championship, beating McLaren & Williams (who were part of the "top 3 teams" at the time)

[StrawberryFace]

Ross Brawn is the instigator of all this success...

I 100% concur with this statement.

[krogoth]

lol @ ferrari anus expansion

[aaronng]

Button's gf (the girl holding the Button flag walking with his dad after the race) is hawwwwwt

[krogoth]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

very good observation aaron

[bo279]

agree with petronas...this IS honda. I don't think you can blame honda for pulling out, they are more interested in the well being of Honda, then Honda F1.

This car has been in developement for almost 2 years whereas other teams had 6 months, probly shorter for title contenders. I think if there wasn't such a massive change in the rules, they'd still be behind.

We'll see if they can keep up developement on the car. A few years back when webber was at williams, the car was competitive at the start of the season, but fell backwards badly cause they couldn't develop the car anymore due to funding. The big boys (ferrari, mclaren) just storm ahead.

Remember there's still an appeal on the rear diffuser. Did a bit of reading on it and it seems very grey. It may be legal, but also against the spirit of the rule changes. Pretty much everyone has followed the rules EXACTLY and made a diffuser with the measurements stated in the rulebook. But Brawn (the genius he is) made the diffuser within the regulations AND also added "hole" in it to allow air flow from the front to pass out of thus generating more downforce. With the increase downforce, there's argument that their design is causing disturbance in the air, which is making it hard for the car behind to overtake, which is what all the rulke changes are about.

I think you couldn't have asked for a better start to the season, all the overtaking were great to watch, the effects of KERS are more evident in a race.

[Q_ball]

I watched the first 30 mins of the race yesterday before passing out due to exhaustion (not boredom).

How lucky was Barrichello to retain his 2nd spot finish after that shocking start?!

Good victory for Brawn none the less... ex-Honda so i suppose we can go YAY

Whats everyone's thoughts on the new Kerrs system?
Loved all the overtaking that was going on because of it :)
Certainly more evident this season imo!!

[krogoth]

****ing OATH

TOYOTA GOT FKN RAPED

TRULLI kicked 25seconds for overtaking while the safety car was out

he is know in position 12 ROFLMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

AND HAMILTON IS FKN 3rd ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

what a champ from 15th to 3rd

[krogoth]

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2009/805/6603/results.html

[Q_ball]

18th ;)

Hamilton was last on the grid yesterday arvo.

[EK1.6LCIV]

good race, Melb is a great track, can't wait to go there to watch it in real life one time :D

still cant get over Branson can just buy a team and win instantly... lol

[GreekWarrior]

far out, I didnt know the next race was this weekend, awesome

[tRipitaka]

do you guys reckon jensen button still has his NSX ? since honda don't own the team anymore ?

[EK1.6LCIV]

yea, you get to keep all that merchandise (it should be included inthe contract)

one guy in Moto gp got a bike for every season win in his contract :D

[dahon]

honda shuld sign on as a sponsor...
it was funny seeing brawn gp suits with no sponsors on em...
branson is one lucky guy...
90% honda chassis + merc engines = good stuff!
hamilton goes on for a solid 3rd... who wouldve expected that!

[EK1.6LCIV]

Im def going to watch the next race

[bo279]

if vettel is getting penalised 10 grid positions for Malaysia, how come nothings been done about rubens? Pretty identical, except he got away with a slight damaged wing.

i think vettel also helped jenson by taking out kubica, he was a MAJOR threat to the fairytale. as wouldve been kimi if he stayed on the track and also he had KERS to help with the overtaking.

[^^v]

anyone else notice the other commentator (not brundel) sayin "Beumi" over n over.... he musta said his name bout a hundred times....
gave me the shits...

but yea cant wait for Sepang next week... should be interesting to see how they go on a 'real' racing track... the KERS cars should hav more of an advantage than they did @ melb considering Sepang has a few more straights ...

[GreekWarrior]

im cut cf got 3rd but ah well

[tRipitaka]

anyone else notice the other commentator (not brundel) sayin "Beumi" over n over.... he musta said his name bout a hundred times....
gave me the shits...

but yea cant wait for Sepang next week... should be interesting to see how they go on a 'real' racing track... the KERS cars should hav more of an advantage than they did @ melb considering Sepang has a few more straights ...

not next week..
it's this week! :eek:

[dahon]

woooo
management midsem then straight to watching friday practice for me!

[^^v]

not next week..
it's this week! :eek:

:eek::eek::eek:

my bad... i meant THIS week

[Petronas]

do you guys reckon jensen button still has his NSX ? since honda don't own the team anymore ?

I have a growing suspision he might be driving an AMG black series soon lol...

[krogoth]

the more i think about it, the less im impressed by hamiltons 3rd place, he just got lucky

he only made one or two passes, evry1 elses mistakes and collisions leading to their retirment or getting penalised that shoved him up into 3rd place..

as for brawn, i want more info...but it seems that this is basically a 100% honda outfit, except for the merc engines

and i would love to know y brawn decided to go with the MERC engines, prob coz MERC wanted a part of the pwnage car honda had made

i now think that Melb GP results would have been the same if Honda had stayed on board with their F1 team....

[^^v]

and i would love to know y brawn decided to go with the MERC engines, prob coz MERC wanted a part of the pwnage car honda had made

i now think that Melb GP results would have been the same if Honda had stayed on board with their F1 team....

it was a choice of either Merc of Ferrari... they went with the Merc coz apparently it was a better fit into the chassis and their existing gearbox (they're not using mercs)

meaning less modifications than if they had tried to mate it with the Ferrari...

[dahon]

well honda was one of the first to start testing their new car for the 2009 season...
and they should have done it a long time ago... complete redesign of the chassis...
but its good to see a 90% honda car (chassis) doing well so far.. and good that they went for the mercs... ferraris suck balls

it would be good to see honda semi sponsoring/helping out the outfit aswell... hopefully..

[^^v]

well honda was one of the first to start testing their new car for the 2009 season...
and they should have done it a long time ago... complete redesign of the chassis...
but its good to see a 90% honda car (chassis) doing well so far.. and good that they went for the mercs... ferraris suck balls

it would be good to see honda semi sponsoring/helping out the outfit aswell... hopefully..

Honda was one of the first to start development of the 2k9 car... but they were actually the last to test it... well not honda.. they had already left... but Brawn...

Honda has given a fair bit of money behind the scenes.... without their support Brawn wouldnt be competing this season...
but in no way are we gona see a Honda logo on the car.... n merc hav made it clear that in no way should their brand be compromised.

[dahon]

really? dang =(
bloody mercs... lolz

[bo279]

currently Brawn will be reaping the benefits of honda money & developement from last year. But as time goes on, they'll start to look like a private team e.g. force india, williams. They just won't have the funding like a manufacturer to develop the car.

When Minardi was around, Paul stoddart said they had $40-50 mil to spend a season, and that's mostly money from his company. Whereas ferrari, mclaren, toyota, could spend that in one race.

[Petronas]

Sad to see Honda's impossible dream come true... Just... With no Honda logo's and a rival powerplant...

That's f*cked...

Is it just me or does everyone else here think Nakajima is rubbish..? We know why he's there but still...

[krogoth]

he is rubbish, but y is he therE?

[^^v]

he is rubbish, but y is he therE?
one word...
ToYbOtA

[bo279]

same reason y sato was there.

[Petronas]

same reason y sato was there.

Sato was awsome to watch though.... Nakajima just plain sucks...

Sato also evolved into a half decent driver in his later career...

[bo279]

Sato was awsome to watch though.... Nakajima just plain sucks...

Sato also evolved into a half decent driver in his later career...

one thing that stands out for me was when he had 3rd in the bag but went for the glory of 2nd and took himself and rubens in the ferrari off the road...hahahaha

[krogoth]

one thing that stands out for me was when he had 3rd in the bag but went for the glory of 2nd and took himself and rubens in the ferrari off the road...hahahaha

i dont get this

[kam]

I was there with my missus and once again, a handful of ferrari fans show there typical un-sportsman-like stinky attitudes! I had my Jenson Button flag and they were bagging me and my missus throughout the race! at the end of the race we held the flag over our heads proudly... lol EAD fagggzzzz...

but it was a great race... and weather was really good! So happy that I was there for Button's 2nd career victory... Honestly I didn't think I'd ever attend a race where JB would win! lol Brawn team ftw!~

shoulda let rip with "omg yalla fulli habibi ur ferrari didnt win bro dose hektik flutters"

[kam]

i dont get this

one thing that stands out for me was when he had 3rd in the bag but went for the glory of 2nd and took himself and rubens in the ferrari off the road...hahahaha

=

i dont get why, when he was set to finish 3rd quite easily, he tried the foolish maneuver of going for 2nd place, which resulted in them both crashing. hahaha

[Malenic1981]

I just got beck from Mel guys and all I can say it was bloody good, it was worth flying all the way from Perth, and I will definitly do it again. Very good race and goos result for us honda fans cos pretty much it's half honda half mercedes that won hehe, anyway Hamilton did very well and he proved that he will be up there again, and Button proved that he is good driver if he has good car to drive, feel sorry for honda cos this could have been golden year :-(
and I managed to get this photo
http://photos-h.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v2622/144/11/1443992653/n1443992653_289911_2012069.jpg

hehe fully sick, I had seat at fangio grandstand so view was very good (start, pits ect) just so good and also australian GTs was good, all those supercars :-)

[chunky]

it was practically 90% honda 10% merc

[Min988]

Yeah i got back from Melbourne yesterday, The merc engine makes a distinct popping noise as it downshifts, brawn were also using the "front diffuser" , I think its adjustable by 6 degree, I noticed the cars with the diffuser were more stable through the corners, which has cause a stir in the rival camps. Virgin stickers were tacked on Saturday during Quals and werent there on friday during practice. Ferrari with the KERS system was a suprise, safety cars (C63) were also hot sounding cars. Nothing can truly replicate the awesome sound of a F1 car, its a must do in real life. I heard from friend that brawn has axed 230 staff from its team today.

[^^v]

theres murmurs that the BRAWN wasnt showing its true pace in melbourne....
if this is really the case.. then gg the rest of the field...

actually it makes sence... why push the car to the limit when u know it'll get u home (with a win) when only pushed to say 80%... n plus why would u wana make everyone else look stupid... it'll just cause more controversy imo... so good ploy by ross...

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090331094410.shtml

Brawn GP recorded a one-two victory in Melbourne, but it seems the former Honda team could have destroyed rather than simply beaten its competition.

BMW-Sauber figures expressed huge disappointment about Robert Kubica's late crash with Sebastian Vettel last Sunday, insisting the Pole could have raced up to eventual winner Jenson Button and passed him.

"That's interesting," Briton Button, 29, grinned as he reflected on his win in St. Kilda - a beach suburb near Melbourne - before having to jet off to Malaysia.

"I don't think Kubica has any idea about whether I was driving as fast as I could have," he added coyly.

Red Bull's Vettel, seemingly matching his Mercedes-powered rival as he ran second to Button for most of the 58-lap race, suspects the Brawn driver's hint is indeed true.

"I have the feeling they (Brawn) were playing with us," the German told Auto Motor und Sport.


An unnamed Brawn team figure is quoted by Britain's Guardian newspaper as also suggesting the Brackley camp did not display its full pace throughout the 2009 season opening race weekend.

"It is just foolish to just annihilate people all the time," he said. "I think we have a little bit in the bag. We've got good stuff coming and I think we have reason to be confident," he said.

Source: GMM
© CAPSIS International

[chunky]

they're just getting up themselves now

[^^v]

nah man...
they're being smart about it...

EDIT: teams actually get 8 engines for the season... my bad lols...

[Petronas]

Oh I do feel for Honda's foolishness...

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090331093053.shtml

The much-feted Virgin linkup, estimated by analysts as worth millions of dollars in terms of TV exposure alone in Melbourne, is still just a $500,000 two-race deal, with most of the 2009 budget coming from money pledged by Honda in order to keep the team alive and avoid staff redundancy payouts.

[Malenic1981]

I think they will get sponsors on board so their budget will be stable, also honda is giving them lots $$$$ and I think next season honda may even start making engines for them again (and some other teams), they will need this for their marketing and what better way to do it than be part of winning F1 team, they made a very good base with this 09 car and it will run well for next few years and honda will definitly want to be in cos they realy deserve credit for this success, just look how much publicity is "honda" getting even they are not officialy in.

[krogoth]

i dont see honda participating in F1 for a very long time if ever again

[Petronas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Ab7LVZN70

[^^v]

lolol...

from what i've read Honda have a clause to come back into the team if they wish... thought i duno how reliable this info is...

[bo279]

some good news to start the morning with

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25281028-23770,00.html

[BlitZ]

Hondas.. what suckers..

funding the team and not getting credit..

Ozhonda.. lets get $500,000 and sponsor a race...

FARK.. we be awesome. I salute me

[--drew--]

some good news to start the morning with

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25281028-23770,00.html
OMG

I saw that on sunrise this morning and yelled at the tv

[GreekWarrior]

hahahahahaha

suck shit cf

[EGB18CT]

good - did he get fined too? or is it just because he's LH he don't get fined for bullshitting, there trulli coped a fine?

[Petronas]

OMG

I saw that on sunrise this morning and yelled at the tv

Thank god... Trulli deserved that podium,...


hahahahahaha

suck shit cf

My thoughts exactly... Though you do have to feel for 'Dave Ryan'... 35 years at McLaren and he gets fired (Well, "suspended" for now)... He started out as a simple mechanic! And worked his way up the ranks... Got promoted last year in fact, to "Sporting Director"


good - did he get fined too? or is it just because he's LH he don't get fined for bullshitting, there trulli coped a fine?

I hope he got fined... Redbull got fined for a mistake, McLaren should too...

[krogoth]

****ing hamilton, lol

[1900-hustler]

anyone watching the malaysian gp?

[1900-hustler]

Button on pole for tomorrows race..

[hooyn]

where did you watch it ?

i read last night on bris tv guide that it would be showing from 7pm on one hd. but then i got home and ****ing gay f l is on

[chunky]

wtf srs button on pole?

[1900-hustler]

where did you watch it ?

i read last night on bris tv guide that it would be showing from 7pm on one hd. but then i got home and ****ing gay f l is on

on the net brah

got a subscription lol

yeah i thought it was gna be on one.. then gayfl ftl..


wtf srs button on pole?

yeah dude

button pole with trulli...

barichello is 9th because he got a 5 spot penalty for changing his gearbox

[krogoth]

LOL

fkn barichello

keep us updated, lol

[1900-hustler]

2009 FORMULA 1 PETRONAS MALAYSIAN GRAND PRIX
Pos No Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3 Laps
1 22 Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes 1:35.058 1:33.784 1:35.181 18
2 9 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:34.745 1:33.990 1:35.273 20
3 15 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:34.935 1:34.276 1:35.518 17
4 23 Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 1:34.681 1:34.387 1:35.651 20
5 10 Timo Glock Toyota 1:34.907 1:34.258 1:35.690 24
6 16 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:35.083 1:34.547 1:35.750 21
7 14 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:35.027 1:34.222 1:35.797 19
8 5 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:35.166 1:34.562 1:36.106 19
9 4 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:35.476 1:34.456 1:36.170 17
10 7 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:35.260 1:34.706 1:37.659 15
11 6 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:35.110 1:34.769 14
12 17 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1:35.341 1:34.788 13
13 1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:35.280 1:34.905 13
14 2 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1:35.023 1:34.924 14
15 11 Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari 1:35.507 1:35.431 16
16 3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:35.642 4
17 8 Nelsinho Piquet Renault 1:35.708 11
18 21 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 1:35.908 8
19 20 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:35.951 10
20 12 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:36.107 9



results are here

http://www.formula1.com/

bear in mind vetell has 10 grid penalty for the accident in the aust gp with kubica
and barichello 5 spots for the gb replacement

[GreekWarrior]

god damn it I was going to watch it tonight, thanks hustler. lol

[EGB18CT]

go JB, hopefully old school barra will be up there in the race too.

[^^v]

where did you watch it ?

i read last night on bris tv guide that it would be showing from 7pm on one hd. but then i got home and ****ing gay f l is on
fkn gayfl

quali was on one @ 10:30...

massa had a shocker today.. starting 16th coz he underestimated everyones times lols...

possibility of heavy rain for tomorrows race... should mix things up a bit...


EDIT:
maybe kimi shoulda opened his eyes rofl..

http://www.blogdocapelli.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/20090331kimi.jpg

[GreekWarrior]

lol...


open your eyes finland

[Min988]

If I sort my tools after I use them am I finnish?

5pm for the race on tv tonight right?

[^^v]

7pm start...
buildup starts @ 6pm...


EDIT: interesting article... cf thought about quitting maccas n f1 all together.... drama queen much

http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/74279

Hamilton considered quitting over Oz GP
By Simon Strang Saturday, April 4th 2009, 23:43 GMT
http://www.autosport.com/images/upload/1238889221.jpgLewis Hamilton considered quitting McLaren, and even Formula 1, over the controversy surrounding his exclusion from last week's Australian Grand Prix, according to a report in The Sunday Times newspaper.

The newspaper claims that the world champion was talked out of walking away from the sport by FIA president Max Mosley, after Hamilton contacted the governing body to express his frustration that McLaren had misled him over the affair.
The Briton was disqualified from the Melbourne results after the stewards deemed he and McLaren sporting director Dave Ryan had 'deliberately misled' them about a radio conversation that took place after he had passed Toyota driver Jarno Trulli behind the safety car.
Hamilton and his father Anthony are reported to have been furious that his public perception had been tarnished by the affair, and both apparently insisted McLaren allow him to take the unprecendented step of holding a press conference in the FIA media centre so he could come clean about the situation.
He subsequently made an emotional open apology to the stewards and his fans. "I was misled and that is the way it went," he told the press. "I would like to say a big sorry to all my fans who have believed in me, who have supported me for years, who I showed who I am for the past three years, and it is who I am. I am not a liar. I am not a dishonest person.
Bernie Ecclestone told the Daily Mail: "Lewis is terribly upset but his father is even more upset having his son called a cheat. Anthony has brought Lewis up not to be like that and he is disappointed somebody has called him a liar when he isn't deliberately lying."
Hamilton's future with McLaren now remains unclear. BBC commentator Martin Brundle pointed out in his Sunday Times column today that the 24-year-old could walk free from his multi-year contract citing a breach on the team's behalf.
"McLaren could also now be perceived to be in breach of Lewis's contract for bringing him into disrepute especially as a senior team member has taken the whole rap," said Brundle, who raced for McLaren in 1994. "This would make him a free agent if he wanted to move teams."
Brundle also suggested that the scandal may stay with Hamilton forever. "The Briton's reputation has understandably taken a battering but a sense of perspective is required here.
"He will recover from this in time but he will have to live with the stigma in perpetuity, just as [Michael] Schumacher does. It will always be mentioned in his epitaph."

[EGB18CT]

dntcry, i say harden the fcuk up.

[i_s2_honda]

lol...


open your eyes finland

f**king LOL!!!!

[--drew--]

Another win for button.

Stupid rain halting the race.

[dahon]

another stupid decision by the FIA.. especially bernie.. 5pm start in low light when they know it always rains heavily in the afternoon...
what a bunch of idiots..
good race but shulda started earlier.. and the big goof the fia did at the end with the clock and everything else (ie postponing the race and making people wait anxiously when the race was over a long time ago)... tsk tsk
raiko likes his ice creams.. hehehe

[aaronng]

Blame the organisers for starting the race later to cater to the European viewers. If they started as per regular time, they would have avoided the rain.

[tRipitaka]

loved those spectators who did a group mud slide lol

[GreekWarrior]

^^^ saw up that chicks skirt


so yeah another one for button and cf didnt get shit, happy

[Petronas]

"Felipe baby stay cool" LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrQhP-HuZNA

[^^v]

man good shit... jenson wins again.... but farrrrk anyone see the lap times he pulled out after trulli pitted... a SECOND faster than the previous fastest time... amazing...

regarding the 5pm start... bernie/fia r idiots for not changing the race time to say even 4pm... that way they woulda avoided the rain...
ridiculous... u woulda thought after the info they have regarding the weather they woulda moved the start time fwd an hour..



"Felipe baby stay cool" LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrQhP-HuZNA

that cu*t is goin bald bad...

[Petronas]

man good shit... jenson wins again.... but farrrrk anyone see the lap times he pulled out after trulli pitted... a SECOND faster than the previous fastest time... amazing...

regarding the 5pm start... bernie/fia r idiots for not changing the race time to say even 4pm... that way they woulda avoided the rain...
ridiculous... u woulda thought after the info they have regarding the weather they woulda moved the start time fwd an hour..




that cu*t is goin bald bad...

I was actually hoping rain would come down... But not so much that they had to stop the bloody race...

Rain always shakes things up and I knew that rain was the only hope Webber had to get up there... Pitty for him they stopped the race, cause the RBR was a demon in the initial wet stages... Mark is pretty good in monsoonal wet conditions as well (2007).

[^^v]

true that...
but the rain that was expected was gona be monsoonal ... torrential stuff...
so taking that into account.. it woulda been wise to change the start time...

[aaronng]

Button's gf is hot.... yummy

[GreekWarrior]

"Felipe baby stay cool" LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrQhP-HuZNA

hahaha yeah I was laughing at that

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

"Felipe baby stay cool" LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrQhP-HuZNA

hahahahaaa man that was crack up!!! and uber quick post on youtube... :D


"haneman82 (27 minutes ago): stay cool felibe baby, we will change your diapers! and ice cream for kimi!" - youtube comment

BRAWN GP :thumbsup:

CF/mclaren :thumbdwn:

[^^v]

anyone see rubens walking 'back to the pits alone lols... not a happy chappy...

[GreekWarrior]

anyone see rubens walking 'back to the pits alone lols... not a happy chappy...

yeah lol


what a mad c*nt

[1900-hustler]

too bad it got washed out..

the race started well.. but yea

button :thumbsup:

[Petronas]

too bad it got washed out..

the race started well.. but yea

button :thumbsup:

Hope it's not a BRAWN whitewash this year (ala Ferrari 2004)....

God that year was a snooze... The only highlights of that year were Kimi at Spa and Montoya at Sao Palo ...

(But guys... How f*ckin sexy were the 2004 cars... God V10 beasts... I think they will be the fastest cars of this decade...)
http://www.carforums.net/reviews/makes/pictures/mclaren11.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/381/renaultr24lo8.jpg

[Petronas]

Pic of Kimi while everybody else was waiting for the race to restart lol...

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee249/Piratella/Piratella_02/snapshot20090405133809.png

Quote from another forum -
Brilliant. Even more brill that a couple of mins later Luca was like "we might have him back out..." no mate, Kimi has gone!

[bo279]

any of you think that vettel is gonna end webber's career? he's just smashing him.

[STAiN MASTER]

I was quite pissed off that a good race was cut short, I dont know why they based the timing of the race when they knew Sepang was known to have heavy showers around 6ish Sepang time, with knowing this information they put the race during this time, i dont care if its for the viewers in Europe because all they got to see was a race then never happened, so the drivers get half points for a half race, so the fans should get half their money back!

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

media and advertising revenue... it's not about the spectators at the race or the European audiences, its about clever marketing techniques and making sure these big corporate brands get as much public exposure as possible for their big dollars spent. as much as i love F1, its predominantly just a marketing circus!

[STAiN MASTER]

media and advertising revenue... it's not about the spectators at the race or the European audiences, its about clever marketing techniques and making sure these big corporate brands get as much public exposure as possible for their big dollars spent. as much as i love F1, its predominantly just a marketing circus!

I remember reading somewhere that, racing cars used to be in the colours of which country they came from, ie British racing green is from England, silver is from Germany like how you used to see them in the olden days, now the colours of the cars are in the colours of the sponsors.

[Petronas]

now the colours of the cars are in the colours of the sponsors.

You can thank Colin Chapman's brilliance for this... 1968 Imperial Tobacco Lotus

[STAiN MASTER]

You can thank Colin Chapman's brilliance for this... 1968 Imperial Tobacco Lotus

I think this is was the one?

http://grandprixinsider.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/graham-hill-lotus-49b-monaco-gp-1968sm.jpg

[^^v]

the diffuser saga will hopefully come to an end today...
the court of appeals ruling will be heard in a few hours...


http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090415090616.shtml


http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/imgactu/zoom09/brawn-fia-z-02_150409.jpg

F1's governing body will on Wednesday announce the verdict of the FIA International Court of Appeal hearing in relation to the diffuser saga.

In front of nearly 40 involved lawyers, officials and team personnel, the panel of judges heard the hearing for eight hours in Paris on Tuesday.

The future unity of the Formula One Teams' Association came under intense pressure, as the technical arguments veered into personal attacks, with Brawn, Williams and Toyota accused of fielding illegal cars by their rivals.

Ferrari QC Nigel Tozzi led the charge for the appellants, accusing the team's former long-time Technical Director Ross Brawn of 'supreme arrogance'.

Brawn returned fire, accusing Ferrari designer Rory Byrne of making arguments that were 'vindictive' and amounted to a 'fishing expedition'.

When twice asked to withdraw his slight against his former friend, Brawn insisted: "We are on opposite sides in this argument, so I stand by my statements."

Brawn accused Red Bull's Adrian Newey of 'bringing the sport into disrepute' by arguing that because the diffusers made the cars faster, an argument on the grounds of safety is valid.

"The safety implication relating to a technical feature of the car is a bit below the belt," the Briton said.


Ferrari's Tozzi also argued that the diffusers fly in the face of Max Mosley's attempts to reduce costs by 'limiting the opportunities for technical innovation'.

Brawn countered: "Formula one is all about innovative design. It's a cornerstone and objective of the sport."

Brawn lawyer Paul Harris surmised of the appellants' arguments: "What we have seen is a sideshow, irrelevancies, or to coin an English phrase, a red herring."

FIA Race Director Charlie Whiting, meanwhile, was accused by Ferrari of 'getting it wrong' when he cleared the controversial cars to race, and 'not understanding the point'.

During a lengthy and detailed exchange debating the definition of a 'hole', one of the FIA judges, Malta's Guido de Marco, reportedly fell asleep more than once.

E.A. © CAPSIS International
Source: GMM

[Min988]

The diffusers makes a huge difference though, hopefully its deamed legal, I'm sure other teams haven't sat around doing nothing and have their "sus" diffusers ready for installation, especially for this weeks round of F1.

[^^v]

yeah... it does make a difference...but in Brawns case its the whole package that makes it quick... not just one element... but thats not saying it wont be a disadvantage losing the double deck diffuser ... they'll lose a few tenths AT LEAST...

rumor has it that a 'radical' update is scheduled for the spanish gp... n it'll 'shock' most people... apparently its a radical sidepod design... cant wait to see that one...


and regarding the other teams ... the press has already said Renault is ready to implement their own DD diffuser as soon as the next gp (which is this sunday)... and the other teams (maccas .. Ferrari ... bmw) will have theirs by the Spanish gp..

[Min988]

Radical update in brawns case might be more virgin stickers and a new colour scheme to suit virgins support. Should make the race alot tighter, love kers.

[90LAN]

Radical update in brawns case might be more virgin stickers and a new colour scheme to suit virgins support. Should make the race alot tighter, love kers.

minh i saw you in the pits at the mel f1 buddy
you luck fella lol

[Min988]

I've been forced fed the love of F1 lol. Never thought it be so interesting. My ears crave the (real life) sound.

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

DIFFUSERS LEGAL!!! woot...

[^^v]

finally they (Ferrari n co) can stfu about this diffusers...


The FIA International Court of Appeal met yesterday in Paris to hear an appeal lodged by Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault. The three teams were appealing against decisions taken by the Panel of the Stewards on Thursday 26th March 2009 in Melbourne.

Prior to the race the three teams submitted protests to the Panel of Stewards arguing that the cars of Brawn GP, Toyota and Williams did not comply with the Technical Regulations.

The dispute related in particular to the diffuser design used by the latter three teams. The Panel of the Stewards rejected the protests submitted. The protesting teams then appealed the Stewards’ decisions and were joined yesterday in Paris by McLaren, Brawn GP, BMW Sauber and Toyota who give their accounts to the Court.

The International Court of Appeal announced today that the diffusers designs run by Brawn GP, Toyota and Williams are legal and therefore the results from the opening two rounds of the championship are now confirmed.
Click here to find out more!


"The FIA International Court of Appeal has decided to deny the appeals submitted against decisions numbered 16 to 24 taken by the Panel of the Stewards on 26 March at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia and counting towards the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship," a statement released this morning read.

"Based on the arguments heard and evidence before it, the Court has concluded that the Stewards were correct to find that the cars in question comply with the applicable regulations."

"Full reasons for this decision will be provided in due course."

Earl ALEXANDER
© CAPSIS International

[Min988]

I can't wait for this weekend now, got ONE HD now lol finally.

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

no doubt, ONE HD ftw! And I thought last years coverage on 10HD was good. No more staying up until 2-3am to watch races and going to work dead as! Although if I didn't stay up then I'd watch the races on the "internets" but it isn't anywhere near as exciting when it isn't live...

Shanghai this weekend......... will/can the band wagons be a threat to Brawn, Williams and Toyota???

[^^v]

just checked tv guide... dun think they'll be showing quali on ONE..
anyone know where u can watch it online??

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

http://www.f1-streaming.com/f1/

[bo279]

the diffuser legal or not, there are pros and cons.

PRO: is that it mixes up the whole field, the fairytale of a "new" team dominating, making ppl think u can join f1 n be competitve straight away....good marketing.

CON: it contradicts the rule changes, the cars are meant to have less downforce, less turbulence for the cars behind and thus making it possible to overtake. but by having the double decker diffuser it creates more downforce on the rear and more turbulence, thus less overtaking and we're back to square 1.

Ross Brawn has already mentioned that the rules are too grey, they need to be more refined to stop things like this happening. He's warned them, they ignored him and now he's taking advantage of it.
He's right, if the rules are not more specific, the cars are just gonna start having sh!t hanging off it to create more downforce. They'll just start to look like last years cars again.

BMW boss Mario said the teams with the DD diffusers are going around croners faster than they were last year. So by making the diffuser legal, it doesn't really make sense.

[^^v]

f1s more about politics these days...
i swear.. max n bernie should be ousted... either that or FOTA start a new series ...

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

shiiiet... the Brawns lookin menacing in the practice sessions already!! cant wait for quali tomorrow.. it'll be airing at 6pm AEST for ppl with ONE HD!!! have a great weekend guys...

[aaronng]

Qualifying on One HD today at 5pm!!! Woooot!

[^^v]

for vic viewers its @ 6pm...
bloody gayFL

[Min988]

I just returned my shit set top box.. ahh!

[aaronng]

I'm at the missus' parent's place, and they dont' have a set top box. :(

Brought my laptop and tv tuner USB stick ftw!!!!

[1900-hustler]

bring on qualifying woot!

[Min988]

I'm pumped and qualifying looks like a goe-er just brought a BUSH set-top box works a treat better than anything else ive tried on the market.

[Min988]

Looks like this is going to be the closest race this year.

[aaronng]

Qualifying was goooooot! Webber denied 1st again eventhough he did drive well. Can't wait for tomorrow's race!

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

interesting mix in quali... looks like Renault's last minute double diffuser addition has given Alonso a good advantage now! Did they only fit Alonso's car with D.D.? Cuz Piquet was knocked out Q1... although that's pretty expected! lol

[^^v]

alonso is on fumes... he'll be in on lap 10ish..
n the red bulls r also running lite.. they'll be in arnd lap 13-15

both brawns r considerably heavier... should be pittng around lap 19-20... its looking good for the race....

cant wait...

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

yes yes!!! strategies will definitely determine the outcome today... redbull chasing their maiden victory! Brawn still in a menacing position... I'm hoping a Brawn 1-2 victory again so Flavio can EAD!

ONE HD @ 4:30pm for Victorians!!! :thumbsup:

[GreekWarrior]

I knew vettel would be a contender this year

good job to webber as well

redbull 1-2

[1900-hustler]

yeah boii nice race by the RBR team

[Petronas]

I would have really liked Webber to finish ahead of Vettel... I hope Webber gets a win this year I think it will be his last chance...

If Vettel keeps beating Mark then I think he won't last past 2010.... Here's to hoping

[krogoth]

**** red bull

**** vettel, lol

[hooyn]

is it just me or do i just find the shanghai races to be so boring.

there was what. 4 safety cars? D:

wooohoo for vettel.

[votek]

what time is the race tonight on channel 10

[krogoth]

its not on channel 10........

was on ONEHD at 5 today..

i dont think it will be shown on 10HD

[GreekWarrior]

yeah it is

11:15pm

[tRipitaka]

its not on channel 10........

was on ONEHD at 5 today..

i dont think it will be shown on 10HD

shown on channel 10 at 11:15pm..

10HD = ONEHD

[krogoth]

ah sorry my bad, lol

i dont have an digital at my place

still running analog, i went to a mates to watch it on 1hd

[Binny]

yea this epic nub had to watch it at mine, and BTW button and barrichello can get fkd. HAMILTON FTW!!!

[^^v]

http://www.lewishamiltonsucks.com/files/lewisinlove.jpg

[Project R]

hey how many times did hamilton spin out at the race???