Innovative vs Hasport (Cable to Hydro conversion kit)

[DA9B18C]

Has anyone used either of these products??

its a setup to use for a cable setup car to run a hydro gearbox.

if so, how did they find them?

direct fitment? quality?

what's your overall rating??

any feedback.

(also, dont say 'convert the whole setup' that wont happen)

[JohnL]

its a setup to use for a cable setup car to run a hydro gearbox.

Um, a "hydro gearbox"?

Is it a hydraulic shifter mechanism, replacing a cable shifter??

[Killa From Manila]

hydraulic clutch vs cable clutch

[CRXer]

hydro clutch release john

had a hasport going for well over 3 years now
still going strong & doesnt feel a lot different to the stock clutch pedal from what i remember.

its had an oem b18 clutch hanging off it the whole time,so cant comment on how reliable a HD clutch setup would be

only PIA was having to get the cable lengthened to suit.

if i did it again,i'd prob do the full hydro conversion,but u didnt want to hear that did u....

[DA9B18C]

hydro clutch release john

had a hasport going for well over 3 years now
still going strong & doesnt feel a lot different to the stock clutch pedal from what i remember.

its had an oem b18 clutch hanging off it the whole time,so cant comment on how reliable a HD clutch setup would be

only PIA was having to get the cable lengthened to suit.

if i did it again,i'd prob do the full hydro conversion,but u didnt want to hear that did u....

cheers, what i wanted to know. thanks

[JohnL]

hydro clutch release john

Thanks CRXer.

It is just a tad confusing since 'hydro' specifically relates to water, not hydraulic fluid....

[CRXer]

Thanks CRXer.

It is just a tad confusing since 'hydro' specifically relates to water, not hydraulic fluid....
cant beat em...
have to join em....
imagine how many hours of your life u could have back if the net was spelt properly & proof read...

[Bludger]

in essence, its still a cable setup isn't it?

I mean, its only just a mechanism to convert the cable pull into a "HYDRO":p box.

So you're not really getting the benefits of a pure "HYDRO":p box. ie, pedal feel.

[CRXer]

yes its still a full cable setup
the converter just lets u pull a originally hydraulic(better john?)horizontal acting release fork with a originally vertically acting cable.

as for the feel,as a daily driver,i have no complaints with either weight or accuracy,but like i said its still an oem clutch hanging off the end of my setup.

[JohnL]

cant beat em...
have to join em....
imagine how many hours of your life u could have back if the net was spelt properly & proof read...

Yeah, I know. It's a constant aggravation that so many other inhabitants of this planet are not as perfect as I am...

[JohnL]

yes its still a full cable setup
the converter just lets u pull a originally hydraulic(better john?)

Much...



horizontal acting release fork with a originally vertically acting cable.

as for the feel,as a daily driver,i have no complaints with either weight or accuracy,but like i said its still an oem clutch hanging off the end of my setup.

But does it actually feel any different to the stock cable arrangment? I can't help wondering what the point might be when there are so many things to spend money on that are worthwhile. The only advantage I can see might be that if a much shorter cable can be used, then some cable 'sticktion' might be eliminated?

[CRXer]

its just a cheap way to get a Bseries motor with hydraulic clutch tranny into a ED crx(or similar) which has a factory cable clutch arrangement.

saves having to try mount a master cylinder to the clutch pedal somehow.

prob with the crx clutch pedal is its a 1st order lever,whereas hydraulic clutch pedals are 2nd order.
so u have to reverse mount the master cylinder somehow so the clutch pedal actually pushes on it & not pull.

jdmyard just did one recently where they reverse mounted the master cylinder under the dash so the top of the clutch pedal does indeed push on the master.

theres other arrangements as well by hasport which has a short cable arrangement activating a reverse lever arrangement to a master in the engine bay.

[string]

I placed an order for a full set of innovative mounts including the cable->hydro actuator last week. They're busy as hell so I'll let you know in about 3 months by the time I get them and then get around to putting them in :D

It's probably the cheapest and easiest way to use a hydro box in a DA/ED. The short ratio cable boxes are known to have poor syncros and can't use parts from hydro boxes so it'd be a gamble to get one second hand. Also they cannot use aftermarket B16A LSDs without modifying the casing.

B20VTEC + B16A S4C + LSD = fun times ahead for me.

[CRXer]

i know someone who just did an innovative ED setup string,let me know if u need some clutch cable lengths,im fairly sure he would still have them written down somewhere

[JohnL]

its just a cheap way to get a Bseries motor with hydraulic clutch tranny into a ED crx(or similar) which has a factory cable clutch arrangement.

Thanks, it all makes perfect sense now.

[Bludger]

Yeah, I know. It's a constant aggravation that so many other inhabitants of this planet are not as perfect as I am...I realized a little while ago that I was much too superior to the rest of the inhabitants on this little planet. I worked out that no one I met or came into contact with ever was up to the standard that i'm on.

A short while after I thought to myself........... I should always put myself in another's position before I say or do anything, just so that I would at least have an educated guess about the way others would feel from my actions & words.

From then on, I realized that I wasn't so good after all. I was the best of the best coming from my perspective, but when looking from another's perspective, I was horse shit.

You my friend have always been highly regarded by me, mainly because of the mature posts & replies I read here on this forum from you, not to mention the long and thoughtful replies, viewpoints & being very informative.

On topic.

I have a y1 gb.

Can I bolt a type R GB onto my y1 clutch housing?

[CRXer]

lol,think john was jokin bludger

S80><Y1 looks close bludger
bolt pattern on the front looks similar,dont know bout the diff side.....
guess ud have to work out whether the y1 release bearing works on the itr input shaft or not & also any difference in lengths of the input shafts.
also ud have to change your tranny mount
also ud be left with one bastard of a gearbox that noone would want,a hydro(oops) Y1.....

easier to just do a converter

[Bludger]

I know he was joking, I was just being light hearted, but not always easy to tell over interweb

[Bludger]

ys1 is LSD isn't it?

if so, maybe look for one of those.

just get a custom final drive ratio.

[DA9B18C]

I placed an order for a full set of innovative mounts including the cable->hydro actuator last week. They're busy as hell so I'll let you know in about 3 months by the time I get them and then get around to putting them in :D

It's probably the cheapest and easiest way to use a hydro box in a DA/ED. The short ratio cable boxes are known to have poor syncros and can't use parts from hydro boxes so it'd be a gamble to get one second hand. Also they cannot use aftermarket B16A LSDs without modifying the casing.

B20VTEC + B16A S4C + LSD = fun times ahead for me.

this is correct! after all that crap we are getting somewhere.

my point exacly, i have a standard cable clutch DA9 setup and want to use a Type R GB on my B18c1 conversion. hence i will be using the Cable to Hydro actuator.

cheers