b16a conversion dramas.

[Disciple]

Hey guys i will most probably be buying a full car (ek vti-r 1999 model) which is a statutory write off (interior destroyed) with plans to drop the b16a in my eg (1991-92model dual carbs) Now the only thing holding me back from buying the ek is:

1. Will the conversion from carb to EFI work fine with the ek parts? or will i have to buy parts from an eg gli/vti/sir?
2. Will the brakes fit on the front and rears?
3. I got told that an ek wiring harness will not work with an eg? (confused me!)

Anything else that would or could trouble me in the process?

also the guy told me he will throw an SiR cluster in the package for free.

[SINISTR]

hey mate,

welcome to OZ Honda...

I dont hold all the knowledge with EGs and EKs - im sure the others here will know a bit more - bit just to get us started here is what I see as potential problems with the swap you want to do.

well first of all a BIG problem is that your car is a Dual carb and not an EFI. Simply because everything is different on the Dual Carb, from Fuel lines to the fact that there is no ECU running the engine.
There are structural differences between the EK and EG chassis, therefore even just a straight EFi swap will not work - You will need to change everything and have stuff made up like fuel lines etc.

Idealy what you would want is an EG SiR - B16A with exactly thesame chassis as your car so pretty much everything is a direct swap - including fuel tank, lines, ecu, harnesses etc etc.

I mean this may be a dumb suggestion but maybe buy a wrecked EG which had a D16Y or even any other Efi Engine, strip EVERYTHING to do with lines, and engine harness, ECU, mounts etc etc off it and transplant into your car - Minus the engine. THEN buy the EK wreck and pretty much have the motor Bolted in there. a little more mucking around but a sure way of having it done properly.

Would the others agree with me?

[[[d a n n y]]]

most of the EK and the EG parts are interchangeable.
as long as u use everything from the EK u shouldnt haver any problems
brakes are definately interchangaeble.
they are pretty much the same.
u might have to EFI fuel lines off anotyher EFi EG
but other than that looks all good
good luck mate

[Disciple]

thanks guys.. if not my uncle could probably customise the fuel lines to make them fit. Going to take my uncle to see the engine 2moro since he is a mechanic and he can see if the engines worth touching, thanks for the info.. more would be muchly appreciated. I want opinions.. lots of them :)

[CTR Coupe]

if thats the blue one on pickels i wouldnt bother its done over 200,000 kms

[z3lda]

how often do u check the pickles site ctr coupe

nothing wrong with an engine that done 200ks, probly didnt even have a hardlife.

[[[d a n n y]]]

u could always have it rebuilt

[wynode]

Would the others agree with me?

Nope.......that post was pretty vague!

As danny has said......it can be done :)

[[[d a n n y]]]

Oh yeah 1 more thin i forgot
dont forgot the change the mastercylinder
the changed brakes will lock up if ur still usng the smaller mastercylinder off the EG

[Disciple]

wot colour was the one from pickles? light blue / dark blue?

this ones light blue with burnt up interior so really i dont know the k's :(

[[[d a n n y]]]

wot colour was the one from pickles? light blue / dark blue?

this ones light blue with burnt up interior so really i dont know the k's :(

mate dont worry about the kays
honda engines are very durable.
if not it's a good excuse to do a rebuild and chuck in cams and etc etc

[CTR Coupe]

wot colour was the one from pickles? light blue / dark blue?

this ones light blue with burnt up interior so really i dont know the k's :(

Light blue.

I get email updates when the site gets updated.

I know that car was for sale for about a year before it was bunt (probably was an insurance job). Just don’t pay top dollar for it. If you have to get it rebuilt, the car + rebuild is going to be more expensive than sourcing a good condition Jap spec motor with a warranty.

[LVNIT]

I rang up pickles about that car..

They are expecting to get 2 grand for it, just so you know :)

[Disciple]

nah this cars at hontoys.. its a light blue with approx 40k (apparently) it looks to me like its done around that, the engines VERY clean

[VTEChnique]

...the fact that there is no ECU running the engine.

actually Carby EF and EG civic's DO run ECU's.. beats me what they actually do and how etc.. but they DO have them so whilst you will still need to do some wiring, it DOES use an ECU..

easiest thing to do is get a EG GLi/Si/VEi/VTi wiring harness (both engine side and firewall/ECU side. The motor you buy out of the coupe is OBD-2, where EG civic's are OBD-1. this means that the wiring has differences in sensors and plugs etc.

you have two options here..

IF you get the whole harness and ECU etc from the coupe, you may convert your EG to OBD-2, but this may ivolve some extra work.

or you can convert your new B16A to OBD-1 with the use of a modified EG GLi/Si/VEi/VTi/SiR wiring harness. you will need ALL plugs and sensors to be OBD-1 to do this.

I'm personally not 100% sure of the advantages, but you can run an OBD-2 motor and harness with an OBD2 to OBD1 convertor plug to run an OBD1 ECU...

Basically EK motor into EG is a bit tricky JUST for the wiring.. however a competent workshop will have no trouble with this.

BTW, $2k for a 40,000Kms EK(series) VTiR front cut is VERY VERY good !!

[ECU-MAN]

actually Carby EF and EG civic's DO run ECU's.. beats me what they actually do and how etc.. but they DO have them so whilst you will still need to do some wiring, it DOES use an ECU..

for emissions






or you can convert your new B16A to OBD-1 with the use of a modified EG GLi/Si/VEi/VTi/SiR wiring harness. you will need ALL plugs and sensors to be

OBD-1 to do this.

OBD2 sensors work well with OBD1 just like using the harness :) its just have to wiring it up.


I'm personally not 100% sure of the advantages, but you can run an OBD-2 motor and harness with an OBD2 to OBD1 convertor plug to run an OBD1 ECU...
OBD1 is easyer to chip. OBDII is painfull to Chip




Basically EK motor into EG is a bit tricky JUST for the wiring.. however a competent workshop will have no trouble with this.

BTW, $2k for a 40,000Kms EK(series) VTiR front cut is VERY VERY good !!

:thumbsup:

[CTR Coupe]

I rang up pickles about that car..

They are expecting to get 2 grand for it, just so you know :)

far out if it goes for 2k thats a fairly good deal. go buy a full type R interior respray the car a decent colour, wack a b18c in it and for 15-20 grand you have a really nice car.

[Disciple]

thanks for all your replies guys, i put a deposit on the engine! *yay* 1 more b16a eg for u guys to see when i post up some pics :P

And btw im getting the WHOLE car therefore i can use whatever i need and what evers left im gonna get towed back to the yard!

For $2500 im over the moon, never thought i would have ever had a b16a civic although with that price it fell right in to my savings range :P

1 more quick question will the suspension also be usable on the eg?

[LVNIT]

far out if it goes for 2k thats a fairly good deal. go buy a full type R interior respray the car a decent colour, wack a b18c in it and for 15-20 grand you have a really nice car.

That car that im talking about is a different car apparently, to the one that he is looking at.

But you should see the car, you can not register it for a start, would only be good to someone who wants to use it for parts :) Besides, there is always someone who is willing to bid stupid amounts for these cars...

[jackosimm]

ive always had the fear of having major problems with an engine conversion

[--eskimo-eg--]

hey man,

do u know if hontoys still has any of the front cuts? im kinda looking for a b16a2 or b18c



thanks for all your replies guys, i put a deposit on the engine! *yay* 1 more b16a eg for u guys to see when i post up some pics :P

And btw im getting the WHOLE car therefore i can use whatever i need and what evers left im gonna get towed back to the yard!

For $2500 im over the moon, never thought i would have ever had a b16a civic although with that price it fell right in to my savings range :P

1 more quick question will the suspension also be usable on the eg?

[Disciple]

hey man,

do u know if hontoys still has any of the front cuts? im kinda looking for a b16a2 or b18c

Im not to sure man, im going to take a mate to see the engine i bought 2morro i can ask for u and let u know in this thread by 2morro nite. If they dont have any they said they can get some in stock, although dont expect to pay less than 3000-3500 because hes giving it to me for 2500 because my best mate bought stuff off him before so hes kinda doing my mate a favour :D