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Fredoops

07-09-2011, 12:14 AM

*UPDATES SEE BELOW*

HONDAMATIC
http://hondanews.com/media_storage/GIF/07CrvLine_14.gif
This is more of an info thread about the H5 series Auto tranny we have in our Euro's (and accords, and CR-V's etc etc). And issues arise from it, figured I'd clear a few things up.

About Honda "Automatic" Transmission (Hondamatic)
Now, Honda auto transmission is unique. Honda auto tranny do not use planetary gears like everyone else. Instead, our trannys are just like a manual with individual gears on parallel axes like a manual transmission operated by stator torque rather than hydraulics. So in essence, it's a hybrid of a automated manual transmission and a normal automatic transmission.

Advantages:
Is that it's more efficient for low torque engines as it sucks less power/torque when used on a 4 cylinder car, and it's physical size is smaller than a traditional automatic.

Disadvantages
... well....Honda auto transmissions are known to operate at a higher temp than other traditional auto's. This is because:

1. It's physical size means less surface/internal area to spread the heat around (think heatsink in your computer), this is not a major factor however...
2. The Main problem is it's design (without plantary gears), clutches cannot be larger in radius than the distance between shafts. As result torque must be handled by a smaller diameter clutch compared to traditional auto transmissions
- IN plain english this means higher operating pressure, greater component stress, as result: more heat, more wear/tear.

So what?
For us 4cyl owners its not THAT bad, the poor buggers are those in V6's (same tranny, HIGHER torque), there were cases of engine overheating from the auto tranny overheating in the Accords in the US. And there had been a class action against Honda about the transmission. In theory, our Euro's should be safe.
- Having said that, the K24 we have in our Euro's are about as torquey as the Honda 4cyl's go. So we'll probably want to be on the careful side.

What do I do?
Frequent ATF change is probably a necessity not a luxury. and in terms of ATF, considering the more stressful and higher temp nature of the honda auto transmission, I'd question the suitability of Honda OEM ATF-Z1, having said that, even Honda had replaced the Z1 with ATF-DW1 earlier this year(2011), DW1 is a new ATF fluid which is said to be more temperature/stress tolerant. DW1 is now the only ATF available from the Honda dealer (2013)

Note: in some countries transmission fluid and filter are replaced much more often than Australia, for example, in China, 4 cylinder accords have a tranny fluid change every 40k km and tranny filter every 80k km.

Alternatives OEM ATF?
There is nothing "special" with OEM Honda ATF, it's not unicorn sperm. Synthetic fluid *should* have a higher flash point (flash point is the temp which the fluid is vaporized)....

ATF-Z1 Alternatives (pre-2010)

Aisin AFW+
http://aisinaftermarket.jp/en/images/atfProducts02.jpg
Amsoil Multi vehicle/universal ATF
http://www.amsoil.com/shopres/products/270px/ATF.jpg
Nulon Multi vehicle ATF
http://search.supercheapauto.com.au/thumb.php?s=140&aspect=true&f=http%3a%2f%2fmedia.supercheapauto.com.au%2fsca%2 fimages%2f164776.jpg
Penrite Multi vehicle ATF
http://images.penriteoil.com.au/images/w320-h350/files/ATFFS004.png
Redline D4
http://www.redlineoil.com/content/images/products/51.png
Valvoline Maxlife Multi Vehicle Full Synthetic
http://www.valvoline.com.au/valint/australia/english/static_image/1129.04_MaxLife_ATF_4L_Profile_AUS.png
Chief Mohican Auto Transmission Fluid - Synthetic Multi-Vehicle
http://media.supercheapauto.com.au/sca/images/thumbs/344506-thumb.jpg

ATF DW1 Alternatives (Updated Jan 2016...)
Synthetic ATF-DW1 capable ATF (by the looks of it, DW1 is thinner). Take note: DW-1 seems to be called a different name in Japan - ATF-Z1 *ULTRA*

Aisin AFW+
http://aisinaftermarket.jp/en/images/atfProducts02.jpg
Nulon Multi vehicle ATF
http://search.supercheapauto.com.au/thumb.php?s=140&aspect=true&f=http%3a%2f%2fmedia.supercheapauto.com.au%2fsca%2 fimages%2f164776.jpg
Penrite ATF LV (LV: Low Viscosity) *NEW*
http://search.supercheapauto.com.au/thumb.php?s=140&aspect=true&f=http%3a%2f%2fmedia.supercheapauto.com.au%2fsca%2 fimages%2f396357.jpg
Redline D6
http://www.redlineoil.com/content/images/products/115.png
AMSOIL Signature Series Fuel-Efficient Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
http://www.amsoil.com/shopres/products/270px/ATL.jpg

TTransmission filter? What transmission filter?? (added Sept 2012)
http://hondasto.ru/d/324385/d/image.jpg
The dealership will likely to tell you there is no transmission filter. LIE!
There is a transmission filter. Part number 25430-PLR-003 (SAME FOR CL9 & CU2)
It is serviceable, it sits between the fuse box and the transmission

Pic of the location of the filter (CL9):
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/csmalser/Misc/I4AT.jpg
Pic of the location of the filter (CU2 - *ITEM NUMBER 5*):
http://www.oemacuraparts.com/auto-parts/2012/acura/tsx-sedan/tsx-trim/5-speed-automatic-engine/transmission-automatic-cat/at-oil-level-gauge-atf-pipe-l4-2-scat
Pic of the filter part:
http://f.rimg.com.tw/s1/f/8b/a5/21112200931237_92_m.jpg

Shift solenoid service!!
Yes there is a way to refresh your transmission by replacing the shift solenoid:
http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/1st-gen-problems-fixes/114698-fixed-what-felt-like-failing-automatic-transmission-90-1-hour-my-time.html#/forumsite/20824/topics/114698

Further Readings
(Honda auto) Design Limitations Causes Slipping Transmission Clutches (http://mdtransmission.com/honda-acura-transmission/accord-TL.html)
Techanical discussion on Honda Auto tranny (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef02326/0)
New recall on auto tranny, 1.5 million cars affected (USA) (http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/money/business_news/Copy_of_USHonda-Recall_22567286)
Honda Transmission problems Seems to Persist (New York Times) (http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/honda-transmission-problems-seem-to-persist)
"HotFlashing" ATF change method (http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9646216&postcount=4)
An unimpressed Australia Honda customerhttp://www.brisdance.com/Honda/AutoPage.html
Discussing on tranny filter on the Acura RDX http://rdx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803129
Discussion on filters on the Accords (I4 & V6)http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14699

transmission codes

RSX, TSX, Accord: (MRMA, MCTA, MCLA, BCLA)
CR-V: (MCVA, MRVA, MZKA, MKYA, GPPA, GPKA)

Update 1 - May 2012
(thank you HONTUNE form hondadynamiks in Adelaide)
ATF-DW1 has now officially entered the country! Honda Australia had advised dealers that all CU2's and Legends must run this fluid.

Update 2 - Sept 2012
added a section re:filter.

Update 3 - May 2013
ATF Filter Alert.
For those who are looking at installing a magnefine filter, please note the patent had lapsed on the filter so there are now Chinese copies around.
I have one such copy on my car now, so far so good but it had been reported that some of those Chinese copies leak.
So if you have a "Raybestos" filter, please check your filter to see if it is leaking and your auto tranny fluid level.

Update 4: June 2013
Updated ATF section, seems the local oil makers (Nulon & Penrite) also make synthetic ATF for Honda Z1, added them for good measure. *support local business*

Update 5: June 2013
Heres a tip on how to drain more than 3 ltr out of your tranny in one go
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?154787-CL9-amp-CU2-You-got-Automatic-transmission-*you-ll-WANT-to-read-this*&p=3765617&viewfull=1#post3765617

Update 6: August 2013
DIY guide on how to replace ATF fluid and filter
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?174659-Service-Accord-Euro-CL9-Part-2-ATF-flush-and-ATF-Filter&p=3794177#post3794177

Update 7: Nov 2013
Another good link
http://autorepairservice.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/honda-crv-transmission-troubles-shudders-at-low-speeds/

Update 8: Jan 2014
There are now ATF DW1 alternatives on the market, for those CU2/Legend owners... or any honda built post 2011. Seems that Honda dealers have recently jacked up the price of DW1.... it now cost more than the Amsoil equivalent.

Update 9: NOV 2014
Jdm speak: you'll be hard pressed to find atf-dw1 in the Japanese domestic market. It seems that the dw1 is called something else there: atf-z1 Ultra, ultra is just Honda speak for synthetic fluid.

Update 10: Feb 2015, Transmission solenoid. Switch replacement
http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/1st-gen-problems-fixes/114698-fixed-what-felt-like-failing-automatic-transmission-90-1-hour-my-time.html#/forumsite/20824/topics/114698

Update 11: March 2015, CU2 transmission filter location and part number
CU2 transmission filter sits at a different location than CL9, same part number for filter

Update 12: Jan 2016, New ATF for DW1
Penrite has a new product out, new ATF thats DW1 friendly, it's the ATF LV (low viscosity)

Update 13: June 2017, New ATF for DW1 and Z1 added
this is an interesting development, AISIN, the Japanese transmission manufacturer who makes transmission for Toyota and a large number of European cars, who happens to make automatic transmissions that's a similar design to Honda's have came up with a ATF product. http://aisinaftermarket.jp/en/products/atf/index.html

boleh

07-09-2011, 08:48 AM

Wow. Great stuff Fredoops (as always)

I've never got the ATF changed on my '06, and it has now done 118,500 kms. Hmm.. maybe I should book in for the 120k major service right now.

MR_LATE

07-09-2011, 09:33 AM

so wat about manual?

Lazarus

07-09-2011, 09:41 AM

ooo thx for that! will def need to change my ATF more freq

Fredoops

07-09-2011, 09:57 AM

Wow. Great stuff Fredoops (as always)

I've never got the ATF changed on my '06, and it has now done 118,500 kms. Hmm.. maybe I should book in for the 120k major service right now.
Time to switch to a better ATF fluid than the Honda crap IMO.
Australia doesn't seem to have any of the new ATF-dw1 honda released earlier this year, which is a better fluid from what I've heard

If you are in Melbourne hit up "performancelub.com" for some cheap AMSOIL universal ATF. At $18 a quart it's only $2.50 more per More than the Honda dealer OEM ATF-z1 which honda charge $16.50 a liter, they are in melbourne too.

mikey72

07-09-2011, 05:06 PM

i use nulon multi syn-atf

hope this helps.

Fredoops

07-09-2011, 06:03 PM

I've always wondered how we could cool down the transmission fluid/transmission... and would cooling it down help decrease wear and tear?

Yes, a lot of US Accord V6 owners add transmission oil coolers to their transmission fluid line to reduce the fluid tempature, having said that, it's quite a bit of a DIY.

Changing to a better fluid is probably the easiest to do.

marquee

07-09-2011, 09:19 PM

I can vouch for performancelub good guy sat at his house talking for an hour when bought my spark plugs and awesome prices

MingZai

07-09-2011, 09:27 PM

Time to switch to a better ATF fluid than the Honda crap IMO.
Australia doesn't seem to have any of the new ATF-dw1 honda released earlier this year, which is a better fluid from what I've heard

If you are in Melbourne hit up "performancelub.com" for some cheap AMSOIL universal ATF. At $18 a quart it's only $2.50 more per More than the Honda dealer OEM ATF-z1 which honda charge $16.50 a liter, they are in melbourne too.
correction
performanceclub.com
;)

marquee

07-09-2011, 09:30 PM

No it is www.performancelub.com it stands for lubricant

Fredoops

07-09-2011, 09:35 PM

Club/lube... Doesn't matter... at least no one call themselves K Y... Oh wait....

ANYWAY... Check out their Amsoil stuff, I'm going with redline D4 this time because of logistical issues, but regardless whether it's Redline or Amsoil, they are both IMO better than Honda OEM atf-z1.

Don't get me wrong, Honda OEM is fine... Till the warranty runs out.

dee-y

07-09-2011, 09:43 PM

Great info Fred.

On a side note, how often do you guys change your ATF?

Fredoops

07-09-2011, 09:48 PM

Great info Fred.

On a side note, how often do you guys change your ATF?

Up till my 100k service followed the logbook.
- then I realized oh shit...

So I had a ATF change every service for the last 3 services (110k, 120k, 130k) and I plan to do 6mthly ATF changes 3 times to get the Honda OEM fluids out of the system.

dee-y

07-09-2011, 10:10 PM

What ATF did Hondacare use?

Fredoops

07-09-2011, 10:20 PM

what atf did hondacare use?

atf z1

jono_l

07-09-2011, 11:00 PM

Great info Fred.

On a side note, how often do you guys change your ATF?

I drained and refilled twice at 75k with Redline D4 - the original fluid was very discoloured (brown) at this stage and I wish I'd done it earlier. Planning a third drain and refill when I hit 80k, then I might just do it every other service or so, given the fact that the stuff isn't exactly cheap!

Also, you only get 3 quarts (2.8L) out each time you drain it, whilst the entire system takes 6.9 quarts (6.5L). This means that after 1 drain, you only have 43% new fluid. You'll need 2 drains for 68% new fluid, 3 drains for 82% new fluid, and 4 drains for 90% new fluid. Be sure to run the car up to speed (i.e. through all the gears then to the point of torque converter lockup) in between drains if you're planning on draining the fluid more than once. This ensures that the new fluid is mixed in properly, otherwise you're just draining fresh fluid!

Snoop_gee

04-03-2012, 12:28 AM

guys u got any info on doing the actual changing of the auto trans fluid?

BigBen

04-03-2012, 08:33 AM

Thanks for sharing this information. I will do alot of km on the new Euro as its a company car. I usually change cars at 2-3 year interval which is good timing because my parents need another car, so I might purchase the Euro when the lease finishes and give them a Euro at a discounted price, knowing that I put the best fluids from the start.

I'll investigate changing to a better tranny fluid such as Amsoil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Ovw-Kij_M

jono_l

04-03-2012, 10:25 AM

guys u got any info on doing the actual changing of the auto trans fluid?

Pretty straight forward - on CL9, jack both sides up, and remove the cover that sits under the engine bay (undo clips and screws). Probably the best time to get a breaker bar to crack the drain bolt loose as well, as clearance is limited once you lower the car. Drain bolt is 3/8" square drive.

Lower the car back onto the ground / level surface, and drain out old ATF. Refill via dipstick hole using funnel - approx 3 quarts or 2.8L. Check levels via dipstick.

BigBen

04-03-2012, 12:55 PM

Pretty straight forward - on CL9, jack both sides up, and remove the cover that sits under the engine bay (undo clips and screws). Probably the best time to get a breaker bar to crack the drain bolt loose as well, as clearance is limited once you lower the car. Drain bolt is 3/8" square drive.

Lower the car back onto the ground / level surface, and drain out old ATF. Refill via dipstick hole using funnel - approx 3 quarts or 2.8L. Check levels via dipstick.

So you are only dropping the oil that is in the tranny pan, what about the oil in the torque converter? Looking at the specs the tranny holds 6.2 litres of trans fluid.

You might need to do a few fluid flushes to get all 6.2 litres out and replace with new fluid.

Fredoops

04-03-2012, 01:00 PM

So you are only dropping the oil that is in the tranny pan, what about the oil in the torque converter? Looking at the specs the tranny holds 6.2 litres of trans fluid.

You might need to do a few fluid flushes to get all 6.2 litres out and replace with new fluid.

You need 4+ flushes to get 90% new fluid.

2 flushes will get you 60odd percent, I'd do 2x flushes per service over 2 services.

ChaosMaster

04-03-2012, 04:02 PM

This is very interesting. Thanks Fred. Just wondering though, does this flush thing apply to all auto gear boxes or just this specific design. This gearbox is only found in the newer honda correct?

Fredoops

04-03-2012, 04:26 PM

"hondamatic" design had been around since 1970's, it got invented because Honda was too tight arsed to pay for the plantery design patent.
So nah, it's been around forever

About flushing, pretty much all auto tranny needs flushing similarly there are various methods of doing it among different trannies, but in essence they are the same.

ChaosMaster

04-03-2012, 07:38 PM

Lolz, was a bit worried, then remembered the amount of power and torque the 98's v6 made. Shouldn't be a problem then.

Fredoops

04-03-2012, 07:45 PM

Lolz, was a bit worried, then remembered the amount of power and torque the 98's v6 made. Shouldn't be a problem then.

10 million such v6 vehicles were recalled in the states

Dogchaser

08-03-2012, 04:57 PM

Anyone got a transmission cooler on their auto....?
Any one got any info on it?

Still, it's a damn fine box...
Makes plenty of people jealous.......(seems smoothness is a rarity out there)

BigBen

08-03-2012, 05:23 PM

Anyone got a transmission cooler on their auto....?
Any one got any info on it?

Still, it's a damn fine box...
Makes plenty of people jealous.......(seems smoothness is a rarity out there)

You need to drive a LS430 or LS460 or any of the V8 Lexus then you'll know what smooth is - you do pay for it thou.

Fredoops

08-03-2012, 05:56 PM

You need to drive a LS430 or LS460 or any of the V8 Lexus then you'll know what smooth is - you do pay for it thou.

or the ZF 8 speed.

Anyone got a transmission cooler on their auto....?
Any one got any info on it?

Still, it's a damn fine box...
Makes plenty of people jealous.......(seems smoothness is a rarity out there)

this is for a rdx... but it's got a lot of info on it.
http://rdx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803129

oh and Google search "TSX MAGNEFINE FILTER"
There's a few threads of the aftermarket filter (the factory filter isnt a real filter..... the holes were finger sized big....)

http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=667004
http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=754752

BigBen

08-03-2012, 06:17 PM

LS460 was the first to come out with the 8 speed auto tranny as well as the LS600h first high powered car with a CVT tranny that doesn't shits itself.

jbzonda

08-03-2012, 08:45 PM

Thanks for the info, my cars due in 8k for ATF and I'll be definitely requesting DW1.

Fredoops

08-03-2012, 09:37 PM

Thanks for the info, my cars due in 8k for ATF and I'll be definitely requesting DW1.

they might not have it

if not get something like redline D4 or Amsoil multi-vehicle atf

jbzonda

09-03-2012, 07:31 AM

oh right, thanks for the tip Fredoops.

Fredoops

27-04-2012, 12:29 AM

Right... Performancelub decided to raise their ATF price from $18 to $20
Not so flash on the idea of paying $120 for 6 quarts.

Amazon has redline D4 at $200 for 12 quarts (shipped), works out to be approx $17 per quart...
Im doing a 2x flash... So I don't need all that much tranny fluid ATM.

Who in Melbourne want a 6quarts for redline d4 to split my load?

EuroGraphite

27-04-2012, 08:12 PM

Any change to the shift quality?

Fredoops

27-04-2012, 09:05 PM

Have done it yet. Trying to justify blowing $200 on 12 qrts that will last me like 3 years

natnat

29-04-2012, 03:42 PM

could someone advise me if it is ok to use other atf fluid to mix it with oem atf z1 fill? or just tell me if you have mixed it with non honda atf in the last drain and refill, then 30k kms later it is still running ok :p

i am thinking of draining the gearbox atf and refill it in with Penrite ATF FS MULTI-VEHICLE FULL SYNTHETIC $14 a litre or Liqui Moly TOP TEC ATF 1200. easy to buy from local autobarn. both are Honda ATF Z1 approved..

the car is already 2 yrs old since production date and has done 27k kms.

i will need 3 to 4 L to drain and fill right?

Fredoops

29-04-2012, 04:10 PM

tknova

29-04-2012, 06:20 PM

Another reason not to buy an auto :p

Fredoops

29-04-2012, 06:23 PM

Another reason not to buy an auto :p

How does this contribute to the thread?

buddah51au

29-04-2012, 07:03 PM

I change my ATF every 12 months or 20K & have always done so. I use Nulon Sythetic ATF. My MY12 CU2 will do <10k per year, but will still get the ATF changed yearly.

andyn

04-05-2012, 11:21 PM

Fredoops

04-05-2012, 11:31 PM

hey i changed my fluid today... but i chose the newer atf-dw1 is it ok that it mixes with the existing atf-z1? also, i dont think it all drained out and subsequently its 0.5cm over from the full mark is this ok?

according to honda America it's okay to mix... does Honda dealers stock ATF-DW1 now?

overfilling is never a good thing tho.

Fredoops

05-05-2012, 08:59 PM

*update*
see 1st post.

Rudy

05-05-2012, 09:04 PM

according to honda America it's okay to mix... does Honda dealers stock ATF-DW1 now?

Yep, I picked up some DW1 about 2 weeks ago from dealer. Paid 70 for 4L.

Fredoops

05-05-2012, 09:04 PM

Yep, I picked up some DW1 about 1-2 weeks ago from dealer.

Thanks Rudy.

$70 for 5l.

Thats about $13 per quart.

Not a bad price guys

EDIT:
$70 for 4l which is $16.50 per quart.

Rudy

05-05-2012, 09:12 PM

Sorry I checked my bottle and it was actually 4L bottle. Kinda steep I guess (i dont really know what the going rate is?) , but this was my first tranny change (and will be a while till next), so I figured its ok.

EuroGraphite

05-05-2012, 09:13 PM

Has the DW1 become factory fill? If it did, does anyone know when?

Fredoops

05-05-2012, 09:41 PM

Has the DW1 become factory fill? If it did, does anyone know when?
I suspect it wouldve when the new 6 speed auto came out on the legend.

Sorry I checked my bottle and it was actually 4L bottle. Kinda steep I guess (i dont really know what the going rate is?) , but this was my first tranny change (and will be a while till next), so I figured its ok.

it's same price as ATF-Z1.

redseven

20-05-2012, 10:10 PM

I thought the new Acura ILX would come with a 5-speed auto but it's still stuck with the current box. C'mon Honda, the car seriously needs another gear... the current setup is clearly biased towards lower fuel consumption so first and second are really long. The high VTEC engagement point also means having to shift down to first or second to really accelerate.

sensei_

20-05-2012, 10:57 PM

Anyone know if the Mobil1 full synthetic ATF (Dex 4) will be sufficient in Honda's auto?

Fredoops

21-05-2012, 07:13 AM

^^ mobil USA said its ATF-z1 compliant, so I think it's useable. Reviews from BITOG says its pretty decent.

Depends on the price tho, if its like $16 a liter then it's within 50cents to the atfdw1 sold by the dealer.

08r3308

10-06-2012, 10:27 AM

So what is best way to change fluid.
Drain and fill?
Or use return hose and keep adding fresh fluid while car is running untill new fluid starts comming out?

Fredoops

10-06-2012, 01:57 PM

So what is best way to change fluid.
Drain and fill?
Or use return hose and keep adding fresh fluid while car is running untill new fluid starts comming out?

You dont use return hose to keep adding fluids on the go, you'd find with the return hose method you drain out 3 quarts, stop car, fill 3 quarts, start car, drain 3 quarts, stop car etc etc

08r3308

10-06-2012, 06:54 PM

i meant like this guy , it was supply not return
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsdPAadc9fY&feature=related

BigBen

11-06-2012, 08:03 AM

I don't think the CU2 has a transmission cooler, but I could be wrong thou.

Fredoops

11-06-2012, 05:06 PM

I don't think the CU2 has a transmission cooler, but I could be wrong thou.
Neither CL9 or CU2 has a dedicated transmission cooler, it's plugged into the radiator iirc

08r3308

11-06-2012, 06:57 PM

I assume youtube video tutorial is fine .
Will get some oil from Honda tommorow :)

jono_l

11-06-2012, 07:37 PM

I assume youtube video tutorial is fine .
Will get some oil from Honda tommorow :)

Honda service manual recommends drain and fill for ATF replacement - one would assume that this is the best way to do it for our cars.

Fredoops

11-06-2012, 10:38 PM

Honda service manual recommends drain and fill for ATF replacement - one would assume that this is the best way to do it for our cars.

Honda says a lot of things.

Honda also says the tranny fluid only needs changing once every 40k km.

riiiight.

BigBen

12-06-2012, 10:42 AM

Neither CL9 or CU2 has a dedicated transmission cooler, it's plugged into the radiator iirc

Any pictures or diagrams on which lines is the inlet and outlet that goes into the bottom of the radiator to the transmission?

08r3308

16-06-2012, 12:26 PM

Just picked up dw-1, 3l for $56so not bad value.

Apperantly this dw-1 supereeds old one and will be only fluid avalible.

Will change over weekend , i guess it ok to mix dw-1 and z1 :)

Fredoops

16-06-2012, 05:08 PM

Just picked up dw-1, 3l for $56so not bad value.

Apperantly this dw-1 supereeds old one and will be only fluid avalible.

Will change over weekend , i guess it ok to mix dw-1 and z1 :)

it is ok to mix according to the service bulletin

08r3308

19-06-2012, 06:35 PM

Been driving with one flush of dw-1. Downshifts much quicker and seems much better oil compared to z1. Will do one more flush on weekend.
This is on 20k 2010 euro

Fredoops

19-06-2012, 06:39 PM

Been driving with one flush of dw-1. Downshifts much quicker and seems much better oil compared to z1. Will do one more flush on weekend.
This is on 20k 2010 euro
Z1 is dino
DW1 is synthetic

go figure

08r3308

19-06-2012, 07:59 PM

Yeah at first my local Honda dealer said dw-1 is only for 2011 plus vehicles as they have a different auto transmission lol

Then one other guy said that dw-1 is fine and z1 will be phased out and dw-1 be the new standard.

im really happy i did the change tho i guess it will take 2-3 more drains till i get over 90% fresh fluid

Z1 is dino
DW1 is synthetic

go figure

Fredoops

19-06-2012, 08:58 PM

natnat

19-06-2012, 09:31 PM

rang around 3 different Honda dealer service centres in Brisbane today for 30,000km / 2 yrs service quote and asked what is included.. Austral Honda said it'd be 40,000km service for 2 yrs for $510 (and it does not include any brake / atf fluid change).

also asked when the ATF is due for a change, at 120,000km all 3 said. that would be 4+ years in the future for me!

i think i will go with Honda Care and ask them to to ATF change too.

08r3308

19-06-2012, 09:32 PM

i guess my dealership was full of it.

anyhow very happy with outcome i will do further 2x flashed this weekend .

anyone notice aus bottles of dw-1 are different to usa/canada ones.

I have seen canada ones state fully synthetic

no.... the 5 speed is the same, but there is a new 6 speed tranny out back in 2011 (used in the Legend), I made a post in the News section about it a year back.

08r3308

19-06-2012, 09:37 PM

just do atf fluid change yourself, its easy and you will save a fair bit by doing it. 3L will set you back about $60

rang around 3 different Honda dealer service centres in Brisbane today for 30,000km / 2 yrs service quote and asked what is included.. Austral Honda said it'd be 40,000km service for 2 yrs for $510 (and it does not include any brake / atf fluid change).

also asked when the ATF is due for a change, at 120,000km all 3 said. that would be 4+ years in the future for me!

i think i will go with Honda Care and ask them to to ATF change too.

ozscott

18-09-2012, 10:35 AM

Fredoops

18-09-2012, 11:08 AM

I have just clocked up 90k and stumbled upon this thread. Thanks to the OP!

I am having Honda do a full flush (the 3 times fill and drain) today (which I pay for...), but I have two questions:

1/ With no towing and doing 35,000k per year, is it reasonable to do a top up only (no flush once a year) and;

2/ Is it likely that I have done premature wear to the box and if so provided I look after it now (whether that is yearly or twice yearly etc) will it behave for the life of the motor?

Cheers and thanks

I didn't do my flushes till the car hit 100k, so I think youll be fine.

Providing you don't abuse the car, once you done your 3x3, you don't have To do it every year, as long as its at a greater frequency than honda log book suggests, even once every 18mth, 15k to even 20k km would be fine just not the 40-60k km the log book wants.

Also get them to change the filter

ozscott

18-09-2012, 12:16 PM

Many thanks.

Unfortunately, according to my local service manager the filter cannot be changed...

Cheers

sensei_

18-09-2012, 04:06 PM

thought the filters was just a stainless steel mesh that you had to wash out.

Jasemas

18-09-2012, 04:17 PM

Didn't know Honda Had servicable filters in their transmissions... Unless you pull it apart lol :S

aaronng

18-09-2012, 04:36 PM

I have just clocked up 90k and stumbled upon this thread. Thanks to the OP!

I am having Honda do a full flush (the 3 times fill and drain) today (which I pay for...), but I have two questions:

1/ With no towing and doing 35,000k per year, is it reasonable to do a top up only (no flush once a year) and;

2/ Is it likely that I have done premature wear to the box and if so provided I look after it now (whether that is yearly or twice yearly etc) will it behave for the life of the motor?

Cheers and thanks
Personally I'd do the same 3x change that you have done and then do the normal single drain and refill once year because you drive 35,000km annually.

aaronng

18-09-2012, 04:36 PM

thought the filters was just a stainless steel mesh that you had to wash out.

The mesh is inside the transmission casing. To remove it, you need to remove the transmission and then open up the casing (basically disassembling it!)

sensei_

18-09-2012, 04:54 PM

i thought it was accessible if you drop the pan.

Fredoops

18-09-2012, 06:16 PM

Many thanks.

Unfortunately, according to my local service manager the filter cannot be changed...

Cheers
I think the filter part no is: 25430-PLR-003 iirc

And doesn't it sit on Top of the tranny?

Edit, found that pics I was looking for:
http://cens.com/cens/supplier/20115/product/107375/MED.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/csmalser/Misc/I4AT.jpg

EDIT 2... dont trust the dealers..

If you look in your Honda car manual it will tell you that the transmission oil only needs to be changed at 120,000kms. That's right, read it again. But wait, it gets worse, Honda does not even mention the serviceable transmission filter and if pressed some dealers claims that it does not need replacing and lasts the life of the car. This filter is a standard run of the mill small oil filter with an inbuilt bypass valve.

In the USA, recommended oil change interval is up to 120,000 miles, like us, no filter change and less than half the old fluid changed.

IMO, tell the dealer to shove that comment where the sun dont shine and replace your God Damn filter.

Fredoops

18-09-2012, 11:15 PM

OP UPDATED

Included section re: Transmission filter.

TRaNz

18-09-2012, 11:44 PM

Freddy, wanna change my tranny filter for me? LOL

Fredoops

18-09-2012, 11:48 PM

Freddy, wanna change my tranny filter for me? LOL

It's a 15 min job for a mechanic lol

TRaNz

18-09-2012, 11:50 PM

yeah but i dont want to get my hands dirty.
One of the pics u upped/hotlinked doesnt work =[

Jasemas

18-09-2012, 11:51 PM

Do you think it's a conspiracy on Honda's part to not mention the Automatic Transmission Filter or fluid change?
Or do they think cu2/cl9 owners wouldn't keep their cars past 120,000kms?
Or have plans to avoid lawsuits about failed transmissions?

Fredoops

18-09-2012, 11:55 PM

yeah but i dont want to get my hands dirty.
One of the pics u upped/hotlinked doesnt work =[
Pic fixed.

Do you think it's a conspiracy on Honda's part to not mention the Automatic Transmission Filter or fluid change?
Or do they think cu2/cl9 owners wouldn't keep their cars past 120,000kms?
Or have plans to avoid lawsuits about failed transmissions?
I'd have no clue, it's like a $30 dollar part, I can't for the life of me figure out why they'd leave that out of servicing.

Then again, I can't understand why the ATF change interval was 60-100k km either.

I mean srsly, Honda is already the most expansive Japanese car to service, does it kill them to throw in another part and a fluid change in there?

Edit:
This is what someone's filter look like after he cut it open.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd186/kelvinhao/IMG_0312.jpg

Jasemas

19-09-2012, 12:08 AM

Fredoops

19-09-2012, 12:17 AM

Tis quite a dirty filter - at least its doing its job
How many kms on it?
You'd think Honda would make a bit more dough by going "oh hey you need an ATF fluid change and filter change for an extra $250 on top of your minor $250 service"
To the un suspecting stereotype rich snobby man in his late 30s (no offence to these people who take care of their cars) he'll just pay the cash and wont suspect anything
The above scenario would also work with the same man but not mentioning the life/status of his Transmission...
I watch who are at the dealerships about to buy a new Honda. I think to myself - should i run in their and explain to them one of Honda's many faults in their cars nowwadays?
Because 99% they are clueless about cars
Sorry /end rant

This is where I it the pic:
http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/1st-gen-car-care/36339-how-change-your-acura-tsx-automatic-transmission-fluid.html

Well I didn't start research and really "know" my euro till I had it for 7 years.

And I paid a lot of "tuition" fees to honda dealers over this period.

I guess some people just don't care.

Btw can you repost this on ozaccord? Just so more people know and hopefully prevent more $$$$ tranny work.

Jasemas

19-09-2012, 01:02 AM

This is where I it the pic:
http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/1st-gen-car-care/36339-how-change-your-acura-tsx-automatic-transmission-fluid.html

Well I didn't start research and really "know" my euro till I had it for 7 years.

And I paid a lot of "tuition" fees to honda dealers over this period.

I guess some people just don't care.

Btw can you repost this on ozaccord? Just so more people know and hopefully prevent more $$$$ tranny work.

Good old Honda Dealers 'Tuition' fees - the main thing is you did something about it and now you service your own car
And know it inside and out - like an old friend
I guess i'm lucky in that department that i had an uncle who knew a thing about cars and helped me on my way to fixing my car
In a weird way im kinda glad i got a 'lemon' of a car
Almost everything that is wrong with the car i have diagnosed/repaired - adding to my knowledge of cars
Shall post the tsxclub link
Surprisingly there are not many Euro's on OzAccord... Mainly cd5's lol
Why don't you join up?

Softcox

19-09-2012, 09:51 AM

Fred: is it the red or yellow spot on that photo? I'd like to do this myself but it looks a little more complex than ATF flushes

Fredoops

19-09-2012, 09:57 AM

Fred: is it the red or yellow spot on that photo? I'd like to do this myself
but it looks a little more complex than ATF flushes

The yellow bit

aaronng

19-09-2012, 01:02 PM

IMO, tell the dealer to shove that comment where the sun dont shine and replace your God Damn filter.
Different brand of car (Holden), but one day I was asking about the volume required to replace the ATF in my wife's Astra at the service counter.

Me: How many litres do I need for a drain and fill on the 2002 Astra auto transmission?
Service person: You are not supposed to change it, it is filled for life and does not need replacement.
Me: *Didn't believe a word he was saying, it has a damn ATF dip stick, so it will need replacement*
Me: I understand, but do you sell it and how much is it?
Service person: Of course we do, it's $xx per litre and you need 2 litres of it.
Me: Do you have it in stock?
Service person: Yup. *goes out to the back and brings the 2 bottles out*
Me: I thought it was meant to be "filled for life"?
Service person: ......

Never trust the service intervals nor the dealer if it does not make sense...... Common sense prevails.

TRaNz

19-09-2012, 01:26 PM

Aaron, what are your thoughts on this changing transmission filter business. Should i be bothered doing it or turn a blind eye? LOL

aaronng

19-09-2012, 04:38 PM

Aaron, what are your thoughts on this changing transmission filter business. Should i be bothered doing it or turn a blind eye? LOL

If it is accessible, change it! I thought it was inside the transmission casing like the older CD accords but I was wrong. So change yours when you can.

spring

19-09-2012, 05:52 PM

Just wanted to say thanks for this thread it has been most helpful, I just recently acquired a 2004 euro (first car =D) and will be doing this as soon as I get the necessary parts.

Tai

19-09-2012, 05:58 PM

I change my ATF fluid every 2nd engine oil change without fail.Doesnt cost that much either so why risk it.

Jasemas

19-09-2012, 07:04 PM

Just wanted to say thanks for this thread it has been most helpful, I just recently acquired a 2004 euro (first car =D) and will be doing this as soon as I get the necessary parts.

Jack
Jack stands
3/8 Racthet
3/8 breaker bar
Honda ATF DW 1 - 4litres
While youre at it. Do an oil change
And some confiedence
Set you back about $200+

Dealer would charge quite a bit more

Dont put it off man, get it done asap, car is already 8 y.o and the fluid prolly hasnt been changed

spring

19-09-2012, 08:32 PM

Jack
Jack stands
3/8 Racthet
3/8 breaker bar
Honda ATF DW 1 - 4litres
While youre at it. Do an oil change
And some confiedence
Set you back about $200+

Dealer would charge quite a bit more

Dont put it off man, get it done asap, car is already 8 y.o and the fluid prolly hasnt been changed

Thanks, I definitely will not put off, I'm not going to drive the car until I change it.

I think I will put in redline D4 ATF instead of DW 1, from what I have been reading it seems to be a much better choice, I just don't know if I should install a magnefine filter or just get a new OEM filter.

Fredoops

19-09-2012, 09:14 PM

Softcox

19-09-2012, 11:14 PM

Anyone here actually done the ATF filter change themelves? Easy or not?

edit: I read this thread on driveaccord (http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=41286) and it seems like getting the hoses on and off is a bitch but it's a pretty simple job

Jasemas

19-09-2012, 11:42 PM

Thanks, I definitely will not put off, I'm not going to drive the car until I change it.

I think I will put in redline D4 ATF instead of DW 1, from what I have been reading it seems to be a much better choice, I just don't know if I should install a magnefine filter or just get a new OEM filter.

If i were you i'd go oem for ATF but what ever floats your boat
As for filter go for OEM
As your Transmisison drain bolt is also a magnet
I swear when you take out the bolt its like a hairy black porcupine/echidna - i got freaked out

TRaNz

20-09-2012, 02:46 AM

If i were you i'd go oem for ATF but what ever floats your boat
As for filter go for OEM
As your Transmisison drain bolt is also a magnet
I swear when you take out the bolt its like a hairy black porcupine/echidna - i got freaked out

For the last 5 services ive always had the transmission fluid changed, bcoz i didnt want the jerkyness coming back wen driving in school zones. But when i take the bolt off i and watch the fluid drain, i expect to see some bits n peices floating around....but i dont see any...not evem in the bolt. Its like clean....TBH...i feel kinda left out. =[ Its like im doing something wrong...LOL

aaronng

20-09-2012, 07:04 AM

For the last 5 services ive always had the transmission fluid changed, bcoz i didnt want the jerkyness coming back wen driving in school zones. But when i take the bolt off i and watch the fluid drain, i expect to see some bits n peices floating around....but i dont see any...not evem in the bolt. Its like clean....TBH...i feel kinda left out. =[ Its like im doing something wrong...LOL
Because you have done 5 changes in such a short time span (2.5 years I'm guessing?) all of ATF has been replaced and only the clean stuff is left in there. From now, I'd replace ATF once every 2 years but do change the ATF filter at the next one.

Jasemas

20-09-2012, 10:29 AM

For the last 5 services ive always had the transmission fluid changed, bcoz i didnt want the jerkyness coming back wen driving in school zones. But when i take the bolt off i and watch the fluid drain, i expect to see some bits n peices floating around....but i dont see any...not evem in the bolt. Its like clean....TBH...i feel kinda left out. =[ Its like im doing something wrong...LOL

I guess it means your transmission isnt overheating and ripping itself to shreads *touch wood*
Good work on the preventative maintenance

rom5

20-09-2012, 10:30 AM

Would using mobil 1 full syn ATF be ok to use or should I just spend the extra few bucks and get dw1?

Fredoops

20-09-2012, 10:35 AM

Would using mobil 1 full syn ATF be ok to use or should I just spend the extra few bucks and get dw1?

Im using redline, and a few people here used Amsoil, i dont think anyone on this forum has experience with M1 yet.

guess it's about whether you're willing to be the first.

TRaNz

20-09-2012, 02:22 PM

Because you have done 5 changes in such a short time span (2.5 years I'm guessing?) all of ATF has been replaced and only the clean stuff is left in there. From now, I'd replace ATF once every 2 years but do change the ATF filter at the next one.

So like every 2nd service rather than each service? is that a cost issue or so i get to see some bits n pieces so i dont feel left out? =P

I guess it means your transmission isnt overheating and ripping itself to shreads *touch wood*
Good work on the preventative maintenance

hahaha, pity that it whines.....damm torque converter....

spring

21-09-2012, 06:20 PM

My local Honda dealer wanted $58 for the oem filter.

Fredoops

21-09-2012, 09:20 PM

My local Honda dealer wanted $58 for the oem filter.
fk that order form US

Softcox

21-09-2012, 10:16 PM

$58 ugh. Anyone want to order from US and split shipping cost?

spring

22-09-2012, 12:46 AM

I reckon just order a magnefine filter, that's what I did.

aaronng

22-09-2012, 10:53 AM

So like every 2nd service rather than each service? is that a cost issue or so i get to see some bits n pieces so i dont feel left out? =P..
Purely cost. if you don't mind the additional cost, then you can keep doing it.

Fredoops

22-09-2012, 01:36 PM

Im thinking we should draw up an alternative servicing schedule for the Euro's, jsut for the benefits of the owners

Jasemas

22-09-2012, 02:45 PM

Do the filter and fluid change once every year?

Fredoops

22-09-2012, 03:46 PM

Do the filter and fluid change once every year?

i think that would be excessive,

Im thinking ATF every 2nd year, filter every 4th year

Softcox

24-09-2012, 09:44 AM

I reckon just order a magnefine filter, that's what I did.

Where did you order it from and how much?

spring

24-09-2012, 12:29 PM

Where did you order it from and how much?

Ebay, for I believe $38, you could probably source it cheaper but I just went straight to ebay cbf looking around.

VTECACCORD

24-09-2012, 03:31 PM

have any of you guys considered using an additive called Lubeguard ? I have used it before and swear by the stuff in auto transmissions. At one stage SAAB suggested it in order to cure some of there transmission issues.

I don't sell or have any affiliation with this product btw, just throwing it out there, do some research before using.

Jasemas

24-09-2012, 04:24 PM

No amount of lubeguard or lucasoil
Will magically fix a failing transmission
From the day the car left showroom the transmission has been slowly 'ripping' itself to pieces
By doing regular maintenance on the transmission i.e fluid changes, not bunny hopping or shifting into P or D while moving
You can prevent major headaches in the long term
But if you havent been looking after it and hope the 'power of dreams' will save your car... Then im afraid your transmission is no longer for this world
And when it goes out... It goes with a bang

VTECACCORD

25-09-2012, 01:58 PM

Jasemas

25-09-2012, 05:07 PM

Totally agree with you, I was suggesting using it as an additive when you do go to change the fluid. I don't believe any fluid will last the life of the car.

Sorry if you took it the wrong way, meant no malice :)
But i see your point and of course as everything in life - its a gamble hahah

Fredoops

25-09-2012, 05:18 PM

Speaking about tranny goes bang

http://www.mdxers.org/forums/14-problems/45441-true-cause-honda-transmission-problem-2.html

ozscott

26-09-2012, 09:50 AM

Thanks for the helpful replies, especially as to the position of the filter which I checked out on mine.

Cheers

Fredoops

26-09-2012, 02:36 PM

I reckon just order a magnefine filter, that's what I did.

I have 2x 3/8 sized Magnefine filters coming in from the USA for $35 shipped.

Will let you know how they go.

sensei_

26-09-2012, 03:16 PM

care to share where you bought them from?

Fredoops

26-09-2012, 03:50 PM

care to share where you bought them from?

eBay, just type in magnefine

Softcox

26-09-2012, 04:32 PM

What's the direction of flow on the lines? For that price looks like I'll be getting one of those installed ASAP

spring

26-09-2012, 06:45 PM

I have 2x 3/8 sized Magnefine filters coming in from the USA for $35 shipped.

Will let you know how they go.

I received my filter today, I'm yet to install it though waiting on my ATF to come in, but it looks like it would be a quick 10 minute job.

Fredoops

26-09-2012, 07:19 PM

I received my filter today, I'm yet to install it though waiting on my ATF to come in, but it looks like it would be a quick 10 minute job.

guess we'll find out soon enough

rambohung

26-09-2012, 07:55 PM

Fredoops

26-09-2012, 08:20 PM

I've took my CL9 to my schedule service and ask about changing the AT filter, but they say it is internal of the transmission (they wrote it in the service statement sheet as well) and it will be a lot of work to take it apart to change it.

Read the whole thread please.

also:
1. read this (again, the whole thread): http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14699
2. ask them what is part number 25430-PLR-003 (retorical, it's a damn transmission filter)
3. ask them what is that thing in the yellow circle. http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/csmalser/Misc/I4AT.jpg

Jasemas

26-09-2012, 08:29 PM

Unless your car is under warranty
Service your car somehwere else besides the dealership as they just talk bullshit
Only bring your car there if you cannot diagnose an ECM fault

Fredoops

08-10-2012, 09:42 PM

Just some feedback after using the Redline D4 ATF for about 3 weeks

the shifts are definitely firmer and quicker, I suspect it's from the friction modifier content differences (ie: this would have less).
Otherwise the car seems to be a bit quieter, but that could be the combination of Redline racing engine oil and this tho.

Also my tranny filter had arrived today, i'll have that installed along with the pulley soon.

08r3308

09-10-2012, 07:24 PM

I'm thinking of trying this in my cu2 but don't want issues with warranty and incase something goes wrong

Just some feedback after using the Redline D4 ATF for about 3 weeks

the shifts are definitely firmer and quicker, I suspect it's from the friction modifier content differences (ie: this would have less).
Otherwise the car seems to be a bit quieter, but that could be the combination of Redline racing engine oil and this tho.

Also my tranny filter had arrived today, i'll have that installed along with the pulley soon.

Fredoops

09-10-2012, 07:32 PM

I'm thinking of trying this in my cu2 but don't want issues with warranty and incase something goes wrong

Get ATF-DW1 in that case, it should be an improvement regardless.

Mines out of warranty So i don't care so much.

Jasemas

09-10-2012, 08:42 PM

If it's under warranty
Dealership won't touch your transmission til its 120,xxxkms
You could 'risk' it and change it yourself - that's what i would do
And do the filter
If done correctly you'll be saving big $$$ in the long run
*touch wood*

08r3308

09-10-2012, 08:46 PM

All ready on dw1 but I did notice being bit notch compared to old fluid

Get ATF-DW1 in that case, it should be an improvement regardless.

Mines out of warranty So i don't care so much.

Fredoops

09-10-2012, 10:14 PM

All ready on dw1 but I did notice being bit notch compared to old fluid

im almost certain the new fluid has less friction modifiers to reduce the wear and tear when it's changing gears.

08r3308

11-10-2012, 08:08 PM

im almost certain the new fluid has less friction modifiers to reduce the wear and tear when it's changing gears.

i done drain and fill 3 x now on dw1

maybe it needs few more :)

kryptonite

11-11-2012, 10:49 PM

Also my tranny filter had arrived today, i'll have that installed along with the pulley soon.

any updates on this?

i want to give this shot as well on my next service

Fredoops

12-11-2012, 12:24 AM

any updates on this?

i want to give this shot as well on my next service

Getting it done this week.

I can see where it is its just the matter of getting the time.

Fredoops

17-12-2012, 08:34 AM

*UPDATE*

Finally got the new filter installed.

Will cut the OEM one open sometime this week to see just how muh gunk is inside.

kryptonite

17-12-2012, 11:28 PM

good stuff Fredoops.

waiting on my stuff to arrive along with other bits.

my car is falling apart....

Fredoops

17-12-2012, 11:42 PM

good stuff Fredoops.

waiting on my stuff to arrive along with other bits.

my car is falling apart....

Mines an 2003 as well

I feel you bro lol

08r3308

22-12-2012, 09:55 PM

I seen cu2 has filter as well, anyone know the part number?

Fredoops

22-12-2012, 11:46 PM

I seen cu2 has filter as well, anyone know the part number?

It should be the same as CL9, you know what, grab the cl9 part number for the filter and just call up honda parts and ask if that's the right part for a cu2

uPDaTe:
The Magnefine filter is in!

GT1

08-01-2013, 12:28 PM

How many litres does the CU2 auto transmission hold?

Fredoops

08-01-2013, 12:55 PM

How many litres does the CU2 auto transmission hold?

Around 9.

But you only get about 3 out of each drain because of the torque converter and clutch pack holding oils back.

GT1

08-01-2013, 01:24 PM

Around 9.

But you only get about 3 out of each drain because of the torque converter and clutch pack holding oils back.

Thanks Fredoops.

Do you know the exact official amount that Honda quotes? I've lost my owners manual.

BigBen

12-01-2013, 07:25 AM

The automatic tranny holds a total of 6.2 litres of fluid from dry.

GT1

15-01-2013, 03:07 PM

The automatic tranny holds a total of 6.2 litres of fluid from dry.

Thanks BigBen.

BigBen

23-01-2013, 07:59 PM

Just changed the automatic transmission fluid at 20k and it was really dark red almost black. A little smelly but not burnt smell which is good.

Lots of metal attached to the magnet thou.

I did 3 x drain and fill and now the transmission shifts nice and smooth again.

Total cost $174.00 for 12 litres of Honda DW1.

ocinivek

19-02-2013, 06:17 PM

Guys can you tell me where to buy geniune Honda DW1 ATF aside from Honda dealer?

Appreciate your reply

Fredoops

19-02-2013, 11:08 PM

Guys can you tell me where to buy geniune Honda DW1 ATF aside from Honda dealer?

Appreciate your reply

Honda dealer or honda dealer online.

That's it.

BigBen

20-02-2013, 05:26 PM

ocinivek

22-02-2013, 05:08 PM

Honda dealer or honda dealer online.

That's it.

Thanks fredoops! More power

ocinivek

22-02-2013, 05:11 PM

If you're in Sydney you can purchase them from Mekong Auto Spares in Canley Vale. The good thing with them is that they always have stock and are open 7 days a week everyday till late 6pm on Sundays. Prices are very close to trade prices.

Do they have website? Im in QLD at the moment. I will also try Honda dealer as per fredoops suggestion if time permits

krazynayba

14-03-2013, 09:59 PM

Mine came to about $65 for a 4L container from the Honda dealer for the DW1.

Only drained and refilled once so far and noticed that the shifts are significantly smoother! Now to get some more dosh and do it another two times :P

someon3

19-03-2013, 08:58 PM

I managed to get my transmission oil change (3x3) finally. But I'm worrying now as I gave my car to a friend last week to fix driver side power window and he's gone an extra step of putting in some Nulon ATF treatment that he swear by. He even put that in his own car (another brand/make), but I'm so worry if that conditioner will actually badly affect the transmission oil or the seal.

I did a little research and found out the flash point of Honda ATF DW1 is about 30-40 Celsius degree higher than the Nulon stuff.

Has anyone try the Nulon treatment before?

Jasemas

19-03-2013, 11:53 PM

All that treatment stuff will do is make it 'shift smoother'
And IF there is a problem with your transmission it will just 'mask the problem'
If you're worried about it
Tell your friend to not mess with your car and get him to pay for another 3 ATF changes

Fredoops

20-03-2013, 01:25 AM

They are usually plain friction modifiers.

Won't do much.

cend0l

24-03-2013, 02:22 PM

Is anyone kind enough to give a few pointers on how to replace the transmission filter? I've found a guide here: http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=41286

But it is very vague to say the least. A bit of help from this forum would be appreciated.

Fredoops

24-03-2013, 03:03 PM

cend0l

25-03-2013, 01:20 AM

You sure if you have a filter on the CU2? some one here was having trouble finding it.

Apparently CU2s' transmission filter is located on top of the transmission. That means having to remove the airbox to get to it.

See here, last post (10' TSX): http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=861247

I haven't got a chance to look at it yet. It's been raining lately in Brissy.

Fredoops

25-03-2013, 10:33 PM

Apparently CU2s' transmission filter is located on top of the transmission. That means having to remove the airbox to get to it.

See here, last post (10' TSX): http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=861247

I haven't got a chance to look at it yet. It's been raining lately in Brissy.

If its there then it's just a matter of unscrewing the bracket, inplug the hose, replace filter and redo the brackets.

But the friggin thing is not easy to get to mind you.

someon3

27-04-2013, 01:49 PM

Thanks to the suggestion by Fredoops, I bought the magnafine inline filter for my CL9 and have my mechanic replaced it for me today. I never done it before and watching him do it today I should be able to do it myself next time.

The only concern I have with this inline filter is its plastic cover and we don't know how that will stand the heat inside the car bonnet. Will that become brittle over time? The original one is metal. I do notice the label on the new filter mentions it should be replaced every 10k km, I'll probably keep doing a normal drain and fill every 10k and the same go for this inline filter. Just to avoid a few grand transmission rebuild fee

Am I too paranoid?http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/27/mapa5u6y.jpg

Hehe and the mechanic was wondering which was the flow direction too. He got it in the end (I sincerely hope so)

Fredoops

27-04-2013, 08:45 PM

Hehe and the mechanic was wondering which was the flow direction too. He got it in the end (I sincerely hope so)

Mine's flowing towards the cabin.

As to the heat, mine's doing fine so far.

if the transmission casing (which that sits on) is melting the plastic....

then the filter is the LEAST of your problems :-P

someon3

28-04-2013, 11:58 AM

Oh no fredoops, whats your car model? Mine is an CL9 and at the moment the filter is installed flowing toward radiator.

08r3308

28-04-2013, 02:28 PM

I done filter change on my cu2 , opened it up and what do you know full of crap.
Also done another drain and fill of dw1.

This is on 40k car so I recommend anyone that can locate filter to do it. I got ripped off tho $61 lol.
Guy at Honda was like what filter you car has no filters and once he looked into it bingo

Fredoops

28-04-2013, 04:19 PM

Oh no fredoops, whats your car model? Mine is an CL9 and at the moment the filter is installed flowing toward radiator.

Mines cl9 as well, same git up as the 7th gen accord.

Did your mech do a flow test?

someon3

28-04-2013, 04:49 PM

Mines cl9 as well, same git up as the 7th gen accord.

Did your mech do a flow test?

No he didn't :(. I went back to the mech but they close today, so got some help from a very handy friend and we did a flow test.

The finding is your flow direction is correct. It is toward the cabin. He helped me to reversed it too. While we were on it we trim the tube about 2cm shorter to reduce kink and did the passenger side actuator swap.

I shouldn't have paid the mech so easily. Prolly from now I'm gonna learn to service my own car with this friend. He's a very good handy man

Btw I've got a magna fine filter and 2x passenger side actuator for sale I anyone needed. Just pm me you can have it cheap as I got it plus shipping or pick up

Rich

05-05-2013, 06:41 PM

Can someone please tell me if the plastic splash guard underneath needs to be removed before draining the oil?

08r3308

05-05-2013, 10:49 PM

Yes needs to be removed

Snowcone

16-05-2013, 04:52 PM

Done one oil change so far and already the changes are smoother and the shuddering has stopped.
I haven't fited the filter yet as i will wait until the last of the oil changes are done.

Fredoops

28-05-2013, 07:22 PM

Updated section re: filter.

Fredoops

06-06-2013, 05:56 PM

Updated re: alternative fluid choices.

Snowcone

07-06-2013, 09:16 AM

Can't find topic via search function - link please Fredoops

Rich

07-06-2013, 09:28 AM

Can't find topic via search function - link please Fredoops

It's on the first page of this thread.

Snowcone

07-06-2013, 09:53 AM

Thanks Fedoops
I have to say I am now running a different oil to your recommendations and it is nice and smooth again.
I went for the Valvaline Maxlife Dex/Merc full synthetic ATF - details are -

Recommended - Honda/Acura ATF-Z1 (except in CVTs) applications

Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt 6.11
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt 28.18
Viscosity Index 173
Specific Gravity @ 6 0°F 0.843
Pour Point, °C,-51
Brookfield Viscosity @-40°C, cP8400
Flash Point, COC, °C 202
ASTM Color 7

A Viscosity Index of 173 is excellent meaning this oil will be stable at very high temperatures.

And I just received my genuine Magnafine filter today so I will be doing another oil and filter change this weekend to finish off the job.

Fredoops

07-06-2013, 12:18 PM

Added Maxlife to fluid list

BigBen

07-06-2013, 06:35 PM

The is the specs for the Amsoil ATL which is a replacement for the ATF-DW1. I'm going to try it out once the warranty runs out in a couple of years. At the meantime its every 20k km tranny service for me.
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/transmission-fluid/automatic/signature-series-fuel-efficient-synthetic-automatic-transmission-fluid/

Looks like Amsoil also make Amsoil ATF which is a replacement for the ATF-Z1
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/transmission-fluid/automatic/signature-series-multi-vehicle-synthetic-automatic-transmission-fluid/

Not sure what the difference is apart from the ATL looks like its design for a thinner viscosity transmission fluid, whereby the ATF is design more for the Dextron 3 type tranny.

Softcox

07-06-2013, 06:53 PM

BigBen

07-06-2013, 08:38 PM

Is it a problem mixing ATF fluids? Say I have DW1, is it fine to use Redline next time I change it over, considering it's still going to be ~1/4 (or whatever) DW1 left inside the trans. Silly question I know.

You can mix different brands but not really recommeded. You should flush as much of the old fluid as you can.

BigBen

15-06-2013, 12:28 PM

Just an update, on a CU2 2012 the tranny filter is located/bolted on the side of the transmission tunnel closest to the firewall. If you look down to the electric power steering motor you will see the filter.

Snowcone

26-06-2013, 09:36 AM

A tip for draining the oil.
I found I can get a full 5 litres out in one drain if you can have the front of the car facing downhill after it is up on ramps.
I have a sloping driveway so it was only a matter of reversing it up the driveaway and the running it up onto the ramps.
In this position my driveway was steep enough for the front of the car to be lower than the rear.
This helps getting more oil out of the tranny because the drain plug is at the front of the tranny.
I also got some more from the converter by reinstalling the drain plug (finger tight) after draining and then running the engine for around 10 seconds and then taking out the drain plug again. I did this twice and got a reasonable amount of extra oil out.
I am using Valvoline oil which is available in 5 litre containers and when I measured what I had drained out it completely filled a 5 litre container making it really easy to refill by simply putting the whole container of new oil back in.
Having now changed out 10 litres in 2 changes and replacing the filter, I don't think I will proceed with a 3rd change as the car showed a significant improvement after the first change anyway with the shuddering completely gone.

Just a question Fredoops seeing as how you have pioneered this thread, why have the Mods not made this a sticky?
Cheers
Gary

Fredoops

26-06-2013, 10:55 AM

*snip*
Just a question Fredoops seeing as how you have pioneered this thread, why have the Mods not made this a sticky?
Cheers
Gary

No idea,

PS: added your tip to the front page

08r3308

28-06-2013, 12:53 PM

I feel that dw1 is not that much better than old fluid.
Would redline or valvoline be better?
I don't know what to look for in MDS sheet

Fredoops

28-06-2013, 09:43 PM

I feel that dw1 is not that much better than old fluid.
Would redline or valvoline be better?
I don't know what to look for in MDS sheet

depend on the age of your CU2, it might came with DW1 outta factory.

08r3308

29-06-2013, 11:06 AM

depend on the age of your CU2, it might came with DW1 outta factory.

2010 I believe z1 was factory fill

ds4

29-07-2013, 08:27 AM

I just bought a second hand Honda accord euro CL9 2008 58000km. When I read about the requirement to change the transmission oil every 20000-30000km I am concerned because the logbook said to replace them at 120000km or 7 years. I am sure the previous owners have not changed the transmission fluid.

I have decided to change the transmission oil. Can I use an aftermarket ATF either Valvoline Maxlife DEX/MERC ATF or Penrite ATF FS? Do I need to change the transmission filter as well?

Thanks

Fredoops

29-07-2013, 08:54 AM

I have decided to change the transmission oil. Can I use an aftermarket ATF either Valvoline Maxlife DEX/MERC ATF or Penrite ATF FS? Do I need to change the transmission filter as well?

Thanks

If its ATF-z1 compliant I don't see why you can't use other fluids for the CL9, just do a 3x3 of the new fluid you choose the first time you use it so the majority of the fluids in the case become the new fluid.

And yes, replacing the filter would be a good idea.

ds4

29-07-2013, 11:07 AM

Fredoops

29-07-2013, 12:34 PM

Thanks Fredoops. I just called the dealer to give me a quote on Part 25430-PLR-003 $57. When I asked him to cross check if it fits the car, he said the part suitable for the VIN (JHMCL96308C2#####) is 25420-RCT-004 $118 (it comes in a kit with bolts, washer). Can you please confirm which transmission filter I should get for Honda Accord Euro 7th Gen 5Spd Auto?

25420-RCT-004 is inside the transmission, thats a strainer, not a filter

(25420-RCT-004) STRAINER ASSY., ATF

http://www.lingshondaparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection.php?block_01=17SEA01&block_02=ATM0840&block_03=2843

ds4

29-07-2013, 12:59 PM

Thanks Fredoops. I have a few more questions:

1. Reading the DIY ATF Service http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?174659-Service-Accord-Euro-CL9-Part-2-ATF-flush-and-ATF-Filter. He uses 3/8 Magnetic inline transmission filter. Is that an alternative part to the Honda part 25430-PLR-003?

2. From reading the product information on both Valvoline Maxlife DEX/MERC ATF and Penrite ATF Multi Vehicle FS, it has a note regarding not to be used for DSG and CVT. Does this note apply to the CL9 Euro?

- Valvoline MAXLIFE™ DEX/MERC ATF is suitable for Honda/Acura ATF-Z1 (except in CVTs) applications - http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/maxlife_atf.pdf.

- Penrite ATF Multi Vehicle FS - http://www.penriteoil.com.au/pis_pdfs/0ATF%20FS%20JUNE%202013.pdf. It has a note "Please Note: not for use in 6 and 8 speed ZF transmissions or 7 speed Mercedes Benz transmissions. Not for use in Direct-Shift Gearboxes (DSG) or Continuously Variable Transmissions (CVT)."

Is one better than the other?

3. When you said 3 x 3 - do you mean change the transmission fluid 3 times (every 10000km) with the same oil because each time I drain the transmission fluid I can only get 1/3 of the fluids?

4. When do you actually change the filter at the beginning of the cycle or at the last change?

Many Thanks.

Fredoops

29-07-2013, 03:11 PM

1. Reading the DIY ATF Service http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?174659-Service-Accord-Euro-CL9-Part-2-ATF-flush-and-ATF-Filter. He uses 3/8 Magnetic inline transmission filter. Is that an alternative part to the Honda part 25430-PLR-003?
An aftermarket part yes.

The aftermarket part is bigger in capacity, but it wont fit the clip where the filter is secured against.

2. From reading the product information on both Valvoline Maxlife DEX/MERC ATF and Penrite ATF Multi Vehicle FS, it has a note regarding not to be used for DSG and CVT. Does this note apply to the CL9 Euro?
No, CL9 accord euro does not use CVT or DSG.

Is one better than the other?
that I dont know, but since Penrite is an local company, I'd give them a shot

theres this full synthetic Penrite Multi vehicle ATF:
http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products.php?id_categ=3&id_products=336

^^^ once my redline d4 run out thats what I will personally use.

3. When you said 3 x 3 - do you mean change the transmission fluid 3 times (every 10000km) with the same oil because each time I drain the transmission fluid I can only get 1/3 of the fluids?

Fill and drain 3 times in short succession

so:
1. drain, fill, drive for 10-15 minutes,
2. drain, fill, drive for 10-15 minutes,
3. drain, fill, done

thats a 3x3, meaning 3 litres, 3 times.
just make sure your drive in between contains a stretch of highway.

4. When do you actually change the filter at the beginning of the cycle or at the last change?
doesnt matter.

ds4

29-07-2013, 04:41 PM

Softcox

29-07-2013, 10:16 PM

Has anyone found an issue using the aftermarket filter - Magnefine 3/8" Inline Magnetic Transmission Filter? With the dual filtration is that going to cause an issue? Repco sells the Magnefine for $16, Honda sells 25430-PLR-003 $57.

Only had mine installed last week but my Honda specialist mechanic said it should work fine. If you look on the USA based forums lots of TSX owners have done it.

ds4

29-07-2013, 11:51 PM

Did you use the fittings (clamps and hoses) from the oem filter or did you get the filter with 3/8" fittings? Which way should the magnefine filter arrow point towards? any picture?

Fredoops

29-07-2013, 11:53 PM

Did you use the fittings (clamps and hoses) from the oem filter or did you get the filter with 3/8" fittings? Which way should the magnefine filter arrow point towards? any picture?

hose yes, clamp no, it's DIY hoseclamp

Aarow points towards the cabin

ds4

30-07-2013, 10:04 AM

Can I use zip ties for the hoseclamp?

Fredoops

30-07-2013, 10:31 AM

Can I use zip ties for the hoseclamp?

no, you need proper hoseclamps to be safe

ds4

30-07-2013, 10:39 PM

is the washer for draining the transmission oil the same as the oil sump washer - 14mm aluminium washer?

Jasemas

30-07-2013, 10:41 PM

is the washer for draining the transmission oil the same as the oil sump washer - 14mm aluminium washer?

Negative
It's a thinner washer and from memory a bit bigger

ds4

31-07-2013, 10:52 AM

Does anyone know the part number for the transmission drain plug washer for the CL9? size and material?

Jasemas

31-07-2013, 06:54 PM

Why not go to a Honda Dealer who can/will get you the part that fitz perfectly and made of the right material for about $2-5?

sensei_

31-07-2013, 09:26 PM

thats abit steep for a washer no?

Jasemas

31-07-2013, 11:03 PM

Yeah
But your paying for fitament and keeping people employed :P

ds4

01-08-2013, 11:45 AM

Checked with the dealer, the washer for the transmission drain plug is 90471-PX4-000 18mm crusher washer

priom88

05-08-2013, 02:49 PM

Fredoops

05-08-2013, 03:00 PM

hi guys i hav changed my gear box oil with the dw atf oil as recommend in the post, but did not change the filter as the dealer said no filter required.

recently i found the magenife 3/8 filter and purchased from USA, so can i just intall the filter without changing the gear box oil ??

US magnefine filters are likely to be Chinese replicas rather than the real thing.
- if the filter says "Raybestos" and says "made in china" it's a replica.

Yes you can change filter without changing fluid.
- you might need topping up the fluid tho.

Fredoops

07-08-2013, 04:12 PM

Edit:
Op updated

ds4

18-08-2013, 01:24 PM

Has anyone tried this transmission filter from ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321104330802?item=321104330802&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123&vxp=mtr

It is not Honda OEM 25430-PLR-003. The Honda dealer sells AUD 57 per filter.

Fredoops

18-08-2013, 01:27 PM

EJ25SOHC

21-08-2013, 02:45 AM

CU2 seems have a different oil filter setup

ds4

22-08-2013, 11:24 PM

Changed the transmission fluid 3x3 on the CL9 using Penrite ATF FS - less jerking at 2nd and 3rd gear. Thanks for the advice guys!!

Shermanator

11-09-2013, 07:13 AM

Most of you guys seem to have CL9's. Can someone confirm to me if it is the same issue for the Cu2's and if so what is the part number for the transmission filter? As according to "EJ25SOHC" comment above he is on the understanding that its a different setup altogether.

honda73

14-10-2013, 11:35 AM

I flush my automatic Trans on the weekend and replaced the filter as well
I followed the Youtube video very easy, by doing this way you get 100% new fluid through the hold trans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVqiB1-DX24

Part # 25430-PLR-003 trans filter

blommer

04-11-2013, 01:01 PM

Just to confirm the flow of ATF is towards the cabin / firewall? and I should have the arrow pointing towards the cabin?

Fredoops

04-11-2013, 08:48 PM

^^^ yep, weired ain't it

blommer

05-11-2013, 12:46 AM

ya totally.. but it kinda made sense after searching on driveaccord.net

Everyone says arrow pointing towards firewall / cabin, with even 1 attempt to start the car and quickly turn it off to see where the ATF was flowing out from.

The DIY on this needs correction in the OP to avoid confusion for future DIYers

spaza

09-11-2013, 11:00 PM

Fredoops

10-11-2013, 10:37 AM

Hi Guys

I've recently purchased a CL9 @ 160k km. Only 3 litres of the trans fluid was replaced at 120k km. I don't feel comfortable doing the flush myself, any recommendations on places and approx cost of flushing? thanks

It's not "flushing" per-se

It's just drain a fill several times, usually 3 times (3 litres a time) hence the term "3x3"

looks like you'll need another 6-7 litres of fluid for a 2x3, any mechanic can do it, it's just an oil change.

Change fluid, drive for 15 min, change fluid.

Cla

27-11-2013, 09:12 PM

Hello,

What is the current recommended fluid? Honda ATF-DW1 or the Redline D4?

I just picked up an 06 euro auto (61k km's) and I have noticed the 1st to 2nd shifts are abit slow and I move in my seat because it seem's like there is a pause in drive.

Anyone experienced that sensation? I haven't drive another accord so I don't know if thats normal or not but it don't believe it would be.

Fredoops

27-11-2013, 09:19 PM

^^ its overdue for a fluid change anyway.

Oem or not, Fresh fluid would be an improvement.

axispower

28-11-2013, 08:41 AM

Jasemas

28-11-2013, 12:44 PM

I thought it was very poetic :P

axispower

28-11-2013, 01:09 PM

I thought it was very poetic :P

Me too. I think thats why its affected me so deeply

Fredoops

28-11-2013, 02:17 PM

Note:

added another link on the OP

Cla

28-11-2013, 07:53 PM

I checked the fluid today, it's a nice clear looking colour with no burning smell to it nor brown colour.

It's fully serviced but I know what the schedule doesn't state auto trans needs fluid replacement until 120k km's which is too long. Though looking at the colour of the fluid it's been replaced.

I haven't driven another euro auto, so I don't even know if this is normal or not.
It only appears to be a problem under low throttle load.

I'm thinking about replacing it anyways.

sensei_

28-11-2013, 08:09 PM

no matter how long ago it was replaced, replacing the fluid will sure be a hell lot cheaper than replacing the whole gearbox if it fails.

such is life for honda owners who have to worry about our gearboxes failing prematurely.

Cla

28-11-2013, 09:16 PM

True, I'll grab some tomorrow.
How much is needed? 12L?

Is it around $70/4L @ honda?

08r3308

28-11-2013, 09:25 PM

http://autorepairservice.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/honda-crv-transmission-troubles-shudders-at-low-speeds/ so this guy recommends full flush and no drain and fill?

Fredoops

29-11-2013, 11:00 AM

http://autorepairservice.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/honda-crv-transmission-troubles-shudders-at-low-speeds/ so this guy recommends full flush and no drain and fill?

Yea at up to 30000 miles, which is almost 50000km

If you change every 15-20k km then you'd be changing almost just as much fluid as a full 3x3 at 50000km

What he was against was the dealer doing a 1x1 every 40-50k km.

08r3308

29-11-2013, 03:02 PM

So in that case if i do 1 x every 10,000 k i should be fine

Maybe i should get another 6l and do 3x3 anyhow

sensei_

29-11-2013, 07:58 PM

True, I'll grab some tomorrow.
How much is needed? 12L?

Is it around $70/4L @ honda?

thats what ive heard too. 12L should do the trick with a 3x3 flush (3 litres x 3 times)

08r3308

07-01-2014, 06:08 PM

is anyone using http://productsforyou.castrol.com.au/product/Castrol-Transmax-Multivehicle/35

would this be better than valvoline max life

Fredoops

07-01-2014, 06:41 PM

is anyone using http://productsforyou.castrol.com.au/product/Castrol-Transmax-Multivehicle/35

would this be better than valvoline max life

Doubt it, it doesn't say its honda ATF compliant.

Jasemas

07-01-2014, 07:02 PM

08r3308

07-01-2014, 07:08 PM

Just go with the fluid mention here in this thread
I know it's a good idea to ask about other fluids
But Fredoops has made a list suitable for our transmissions
There shouldn't really be a need to doubt that

Not doubting , he has done a great job on this thread :)

i did a search on different fluids and castrol recommend their fluid in their search for Accord Euro where Valvoline don't.

I did sent email to castrol to see what they would say about this but will see , in meantime i might give Valvoline a go :)

Fredoops

07-01-2014, 07:38 PM

i did a search on different fluids and castrol recommend their fluid in their search for Accord Euro where Valvoline don't.

yes it is :-) EDIT: for CL9...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/silverster/Capture.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/silverster/media/Capture.jpg.html)

08r3308

07-01-2014, 08:04 PM

yes it is :-)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/silverster/Capture.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/silverster/media/Capture.jpg.html)

not for cu2 :)

http://i40.tinypic.com/zsok1y.jpg

Fredoops

07-01-2014, 08:08 PM

well... you're in luck...

Redline has a new ATF come out

D6

It's Dw1 compatible.

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=115&pcid=7

seems that Dw1 is just a thinner ATF cause D6 is thinner than the ole D4.... Might be safer for you to look at DW1 compatible fluids

Fredoops

07-01-2014, 08:24 PM

OP UPDATED

HONDA BUILT AFTER 2011 should look at dw1 comparable fluids instea of z1 just to be on the safe side

Those who's been Mixing with DW1 or DW1 is the factory fill.... probably dont want to use older Z1 Compatible fluid, because DW1 is thinner as it turned out.

sensei_

07-01-2014, 11:11 PM

what about those who are driving around with Z1 in their cars? im thinking of changing to the DW1 stuff some time soon.

Fredoops

08-01-2014, 12:10 AM

what about those who are driving around with Z1 in their cars? im thinking of changing to the DW1 stuff some time soon.

You can use whatever.

My post were for models that's DW1 factory fill

I CU2

13-01-2014, 10:37 PM

Does the fluid come out a cloudy colour? Just had 80k service @ Honda and they told me the ATF was looking a bit cloudy so I gave them the green to change it.

Jasemas

14-01-2014, 01:07 AM

Not really
It's suppose to come out really dark red with dark particles throughout
It'd be nice if they showed you the atf fluid

I CU2

14-01-2014, 02:39 AM

Oh right, is it even possible to see what colour the fluid is without changing it?

Fredoops

14-01-2014, 07:24 AM

Dipstick?

Btw you can actually smell old ATF.

The burnt/charred smell is really prominent.

Softcox

14-01-2014, 05:51 PM

Since getting my magnefine filter installed I can definitely notice a difference in the colour of the fluid wiped off the dipstick when checking the levels. Still looks pretty much pristine after ~12 months of use (Honda DW1 fluid).

chuboy

31-01-2014, 12:56 AM

I'm in Brisbane, thinking of ordering some Penrite ATF from thefarmstore.com.au if anyone wants to share the shipping costs. It's $11.95 for up to 20 kgs and a quote after that.

Fully synthetic Z1-spec is $45.95/4L
Semi-synthetic is $40.95/4L

Will place my order on Monday if no one gets back to me so you can have the weekend to to think about it. They sell other Penrite oils too if anyone is interested.

sensei_

31-01-2014, 10:31 PM

isnt there like 20% off at repco for car club members (roadside assist and the like)?

surely would be cheaper than buying from the above site.