2014 3rd gen Honda Jazz arrive July 2014, but big disappointment in engine type :(

[warrenR]

Evening folks. Just wanna share some thoughts with the new Jazz which will be out July 2014. I did a search couldn't find a similar topic. So I am hoping this is a new topic here.

According to Honda Australia Official, the 3rd gen Jazz arriving in July. http://www.honda.com.au/news_detail.aspx?view=907&category=3
Yes, you are right! We will see the all new Jazz from the local showroom by end of this month! Getting excited? I was too! But,,, hang on a second! After reading thru this official news, my big excitment turn into big disappointment! I think the Honda enthusiasts can already tell where the problem is.

In the news Honda claim this "The all-new Jazz will be available in three variants – VTi, VTi-S and VTi-L – all powered by a 1.5 litre i-VTEC engine delivering 88 kilowatts of power at 6,600 rpm and 145 Newton metres of torque at 4,500 rpm."

Well then we have a problem here. By these engine performance figures, this is clearly an old SOHC L15A engine which used on previous two generations. I have been expecting the 3rd gen Jazz come with a all new DOHC direct injection engine, like the Japanese, US, and Chinese market, but apparently I have been dreaming :(

Some of people might ask, does it matter even if it comes with an old engine? I would say apart from the performance difference (engine output and fuel consumption) and if you do not think being unfair to Aussie consumers, the answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT!

But to me, or probably to some Honda enthusiasts, it does matters!

the 3rd gen Jazz engine in Japan. US, and eastern-Asia countries as below:
Model: L15B (Earth Dream)
Type： DOHC Direct Injection i-VTEC
Compression Ratio: 11.5
Max Power: 97kw (132PS) @ 6600
Max Torque: 155Nm (15.8kgm) @ 4600

As you can see, this new L15B has the highest power output over any Natural Aspirated engines with same displacement. I feel glad that Honda did it again, well ahead of competitors in terms of engine performance. But the problem is we are not gonna enjoy it in Australia. At least not for a while, while the other 3rd gen Jazz owners overseas already enjoying the fun.

Just wanna express how I feel ATM:
This is obvious extremely unfair to some Australians who intended to buy 3rd gen Jazz (When I mean some, because I know most buyers do not care about slight difference in engine performance :) )
Honda assemble plant in Thailand has lots of parts from 2nd gen jazz leftover. By putting those obsolete parts into new Jazz could guarantee low production cost and consume all the older stocks
Also this could help Honda Australia marketing to work out a sharp price tag on the new Jazz (same price as the old ones)


I am not saying that its a absolutely wrong idea to throw an old engine into a new car. There still be some advantages such as low price tag, and the old engine may be more reliable. But What I wanna express is that the 3rd Jazz was design along with a all new earth dream direction injection engine, and I believe such engine is perfect for the 3rd gen Jazz since it would have been designed and engineered for the 3rd gen Jazz. I also believe the earth dream engine can truly reveal the potential of the 3rd gen jazz chassis.

I was going to sell my FK civic for the new Jazz. But I have changed my mind. Hopefully after Honda Thailand plant cleared all the old engines parts, they would start making the 3rd gen Jazz "as standard" by assembling the earth dream engine.

[Fredoops]

Sorry to break it to you but...

The difference between the 2 motors is basically direct injection.

NONE of the direct injection "EarthDreams" engines had made it to Australia so far. I do not believe any engine out of Honda's Thai factory has direct injection (we already had this situation with the new honda accord launched almost 2 years ago)

the ONLY hope is that with the new Free trade agreement we have with Japan, we may get Japan sourced Jazz instead with direct injection instead of the one's from Thai (which we currently have a free trade agreement with)... BUT im not holding my breath, because the Thai Honda's are cheaper to make = more profit margin.

[warrenR]

Sorry to break it to you but...

The difference between the 2 motors is basically direct injection.

NONE of the direct injection "EarthDreams" engines had made it to Australia so far. I do not believe any engine out of Honda's Thai factory has direct injection (we already had this situation with the new honda accord launched almost 2 years ago)

the ONLY hope is that with the new Free trade agreement we have with Japan, we may get Japan sourced Jazz instead with direct injection instead of the one's from Thai (which we currently have a free trade agreement with)... BUT im not holding my breath, because the Thai Honda's are cheaper to make = more profit margin.


You are right. I just checked the Thai made 9th gen Accord 2.4L, it does come with "earth dream technology" but again no direct injection :(
From what you saying, I feel like the thai factory is going to assemble engines without direct injection for next couple of years :( Okay I know it will be bigger profit margins for Honda, but we as the consumer, pay same or dearer price for same car but less power...

Do we just suck this all up..... T_T

I really hope your "free trade agreement" logic come into reality in Aussie

[NightRyder]

It's not just the engine that is a disappointment, what about the little details like LED headlights and the Mugen body kit for aesthetics on overseas models!

[rosewood]

this is the new flyer from honda which shows the models http://i.mail-cdn.com/media/app7/4/new_jazz_space/Honda_Jazz_Flyer.pdf?utm_source=jazzhype&utm_medium=email&utm_content=text&utm_campaign=jazz

[08ESE]

wow pretty crappy colour range.....

[rosewood]

Honda has never had much color choice in comparison to other cars, but the yellow looks a bit better than what they had in the past. My GE09 is due for a change over, only has 58,000klms.

[rosewood]

new jazz now showing on honda site with prices
http://jazz.honda.com.au/home.html

[DreadAngel]

Typical Honda Australia... Miss out on most things and hopes to sell on badge alone...

And it still looks awkwardly bulky -_-

[rosewood]

I owned 2 jazz cars so far & I really only buy them for the magic seats that fold down flat.

[Jasemas]

Looks like a smooshed up 5th gen oddyseey
Wonder if they're bringing back the dreaded cvt thats in the odyssey

[Jasemas]

**** they ditched the auto for the cvt
I bet this will bite honda in the ass in 10 years time

[Jasemas]

Oh wow
Rear drum brakes
In this day and age?
Jesus

[rosewood]

isn't the cvt the same as they had in the 2003 models

[Tonkatsu]

Disappointing as we don't get the updated drivetrain. Was looking forward to the L15B and 6 speed. That along with the marketed improved " fun to drive " characteristics would have brought it a tad closer to the Swift sport AKA a fun light car package.

if we are indeed getting the GK chassis with the old GE engine/drivetrain, I'd expect fuel economy to be no better than 7l/100km.

Sigh

[Jasemas]

My ge is averaging 5l/100kms
So good
But if you wanted fuel economy you should of bought a prius

[Torell]

guys your missing a few things,

so for less money, you get a new earths dream transmission, you get a really nice looking dash update, you get the screen(!!!), and you get HIDs or woteva u wanna call them. oh, and you get 2 ltrs per 100km less fuel usage.... or close to it.

the only downfall i see, is there is only 1 baby seat anchor instead of 2.

and unlike the hybrid (which i had to drive yesterday during servicing) you get full boot space :) like normal. ++

forgot to mention, most their colors are pearls or metallic too.... and the auto up/down for passanger front window! bonus. tweeters and alarm too!


(ok my fault, not less money. same :) )

[rosewood]

I think this model is cheaper than in the past, the top model is $25,750 on the road. In the past the top model has been around $28K

[Jasemas]

For that money (25k)
You could get the top of the range city VTIL/civic territory

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

But if you wanted fuel economy you should of bought a prius

Really?

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/BL-DSB-1408

[Jasemas]

Really?

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/BL-DSB-1408

Maybe they'd like to downsize to a 25 year old crx with antique safety features when compared to a 2013 Jazz?

Maybe i did throw around the prius thing - i was just saying in general, if he wanted an even more fuel effiecent car he'd consider a nissan leaf?

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Maybe i did throw around the prius thing - i was just saying in general, if he wanted an even more fuel effiecent car he'd consider a nissan leaf?

You did put it out there, just like I put it out there.

If the pure concern is fuel economy the leaf may be the winner.

[Grayfox]

LED headlights are a nice thing and hopefully the civic will get them in a facelift
Again no manual option for higher grades and an old manual for base model.
The UK gets a 6-speed manual for theirs so why do we still get stuck with the 5.

[Jasemas]

LED headlights are a nice thing and hopefully the civic will get them in a facelift
Again no manual option for higher grades and an old manual for base model.
The UK gets a 6-speed manual for theirs so why do we still get stuck with the 5.

Same thing about getting the old drivetrain from the ge chassis (made in thailand)
Cost cutting and Honda Aus thinks we don't need a 'new' jazz

[pacogun]

Oh wow
Rear drum brakes
In this day and age?
Jesus

Indeed, shocking isn't it with rear drum brakes.
And the manual transmission still only 5 gears. Honda should put 6 gears for MT to help when cruising over 100 km/h or over. The RPM is quite high with jazz GE when using 5th gear run on 100 km/h or over, which in turn also affecting fuel economy. I saw on Honda official website, even the fuel cons of MT is worse than CVT. But, I still not too confident with this new CVT. There are a lot of problems with old jazz CVT.
I know that most of buyers will buy auto(CVT) trans anyway, so I think Honda doesn't care about adding the 6th gear. Only crazy people like ME who still prefer MT to Auto trans.

[DreadAngel]

Same thing about getting the old drivetrain from the ge chassis (made in thailand)
Cost cutting and Honda Aus thinks we don't need a 'new' jazz

So true, Honda Australia always skimps on everything.

If you look at everyone else's option list, Honda Oz is on a Jenny Craig diet...

[Jasemas]

So true, Honda Australia always skimps on everything.

If you look at everyone else's option list, Honda Oz is on a Jenny Craig diet...

lol maybe they do not want the Jazz to weigh over 1100kgs?
Which is freakin' light for a modern day car
Replace panels with cf LOL

[DreadAngel]

Do it!!!

Hahahaha!!!

[Grayfox]

lol maybe they do not want the Jazz to weigh over 1100kgs?
Which is freakin' light for a modern day car
Replace panels with cf LOL

The cars weight is 1100kg.http://www.ozaccord.net/forum
A newer engine might be lighter as it would be made with newer alloys.

From what I have heard the kiwis get the L15B engine.
And a Mugen version

RS version
http://www.honda.co.nz/assets/New-Cars/Jazz-As/Gallery/_resampled/SetRatioSize800450-Silver_RS_Front34_Ret_2.jpg

RS Sport
http://www.honda.co.nz/assets/New-Cars/Jazz-As/Gallery/_resampled/SetRatioSize800450-White_RS_Sport_Front34_Ret_2.jpg

Mugen version
http://www.honda.co.nz/assets/New-Cars/Jazz-As/Gallery/_resampled/SetRatioSize800450-TintSilver_Mug_Front34_Ret_2.jpg

Hopefully a facelift model will get it or honda Australia will make a RS or sports model that has the L15B.

If I ever need to get a new car and honda have a jazz with it, I might just get it.

Then a few performance mods will come.

Knowing the performance companies there will be a few mods for it

[Jasemas]

The cars weight is 1100kg
A newer engine might be lighter as it would be made with newer alloys.

From what I have heard the kiwis get the L15B engine.
And a Mugen version


Hopefully a facelift model will get it or honda Australia will make a RS or sports model that has the L15B.

If I ever need to get a new car and honda have a jazz with it, I might just get it.

Then a few performance mods will come.

Knowing the performance companies there will be a few mods for it

New Jazz weight is
Manual 1048
Auto 1095

That's on average 30-40kgs heavier than the outgoing GE chassis

Now if you have not been reading anything that we have posted
The engine in the new chassis is the same L15 from the outgoing GE chassis
Still a 1.5litre SOHC 16valve L15, no new alloys, not lighter than the old one
Not the DOHC L15B (130hp) found in the JDM models
They have done away with the old L13, so it's 1.5L all through the range
Also the kiwis have different laws compared to ours

[Grayfox]

New Jazz weight is
Manual 1048
Auto 1095

That's on average 30-40kgs heavier than the outgoing GE chassis

Now if you have not been reading anything that we have posted
The engine in the new chassis is the same L15 from the outgoing GE chassis
Still a 1.5litre SOHC 16valve L15, no new alloys, not lighter than the old one
Not the DOHC L15B (130hp) found in the JDM models
They have done away with the old L13, so it's 1.5L all through the range
Also the kiwis have different laws compared to ours

They still get the better engine, better spec range and better colors regardless of their roadlaws.

I know the new jazz uses the old L15A engine which has 88kW instead of the 97kW.

The weight of the mugen is 1,070kg for the CVT and 1,050kg for the manual.
By the looks of it they get the same options with the jazz as we do.

This is why i assume the newer engine will be made lighter than the older one.

[rosewood]

Has anyone see the 2014 city, looks like the jazz only a sedan without the magic seats

[Jasemas]

Well a city is based on the same chassis as the Jazz
The city is more of a sedan and even if they were magic seats
It would make no sense as the city has a sedan shape - so you automatically have a boot to contend with
While the jazz is a hatchback there's more head room all the way to the back and no small boot to limit space

[curtis265]

The cars weight is 1100kg.http://www.ozaccord.net/forum
A newer engine might be lighter as it would be made with newer alloys.

From what I have heard the kiwis get the L15B engine.
And a Mugen version

RS version
http://www.honda.co.nz/assets/New-Cars/Jazz-As/Gallery/_resampled/SetRatioSize800450-Silver_RS_Front34_Ret_2.jpg

RS Sport
http://www.honda.co.nz/assets/New-Cars/Jazz-As/Gallery/_resampled/SetRatioSize800450-White_RS_Sport_Front34_Ret_2.jpg

Mugen version
http://www.honda.co.nz/assets/New-Cars/Jazz-As/Gallery/_resampled/SetRatioSize800450-TintSilver_Mug_Front34_Ret_2.jpg

Hopefully a facelift model will get it or honda Australia will make a RS or sports model that has the L15B.

If I ever need to get a new car and honda have a jazz with it, I might just get it.

Then a few performance mods will come.

Knowing the performance companies there will be a few mods for it

gosh i thought that was an odyssey!

[Grayfox]

I do kinda like the look of the mugen one.

[Tai]

I prefer the RS model kit

[Jasemas]

Mugen is too much
Esp. with those foglight holes

[Grayfox]

Yeah true.

By the looks you could get the RS Sport and add the mugen grill which looks nicer IMO

[warrenR]

Disappointing as we don't get the updated drivetrain. Was looking forward to the L15B and 6 speed. That along with the marketed improved " fun to drive " characteristics would have brought it a tad closer to the Swift sport AKA a fun light car package.

if we are indeed getting the GK chassis with the old GE engine/drivetrain, I'd expect fuel economy to be no better than 7l/100km.

Sigh


Dude, I Definitely know where you come from...

But Honda will indeed improve the fuel consumption on the 3rd gen Jazz with the old drivetrain. Just think about the fuel consumption differ from 8th gen and 9th gen civic with similar R18 engine. Also the 3rd gen Jazz's CVT would further make it "more economic" than the outgoing model.

[warrenR]

guys your missing a few things,

so for less money, you get a new earths dream transmission, you get a really nice looking dash update, you get the screen(!!!), and you get HIDs or woteva u wanna call them. oh, and you get 2 ltrs per 100km less fuel usage.... or close to it.

the only downfall i see, is there is only 1 baby seat anchor instead of 2.

and unlike the hybrid (which i had to drive yesterday during servicing) you get full boot space :) like normal. ++

forgot to mention, most their colors are pearls or metallic too.... and the auto up/down for passanger front window! bonus. tweeters and alarm too!


(ok my fault, not less money. same :) )


Agree with the car tech update on the 3rd gen Jazz over the. But there are some what I personally call "Big Sacrifices" on the 3rd gen Jazz as trade off for the sharp price tag:

1. Even though the Engine on the 3rd gen Jazz is the old L15A, but it may not be the same L15A on the GE Jazz. If you have a look at the engine room pics on the GE Jazz, the L15A7 engine has the metal or aluminium Manifold; but when I check the engine on the new Honda City, it has plastic manifold instead. I dont have any picture to show how the engine look like in the 3rd gen Aussie Jazz, but we all know it share lots of parts with the new CITY.

27211

27210

2. It has drum brake disc for the rear instead..


Will wait for Dealership to post the new Jazz sales picture to confirm...

[Grayfox]

Best way to know anything about the new engine is to look under the hood and see its engine code and normally any kind of change means a new engine code.
Wikipedia just lists the engines for the new jazz as L13B and L15B.

At this rate, it looks like australia is the only country that gets the older engine.

[Jasemas]

2. It has drum brake disc for the rear instead..


Will wait for Dealership to post the new Jazz sales picture to confirm...

It's stated on the Honda Aus website the new Jazz's specs
And its drums for rear

[Fredoops]

we got the south east asia cost cost version just like the Accord/Civic/City

it is what it is.

[Grayfox]

I went and saw the jazz today, the dash glows blue or green, but it was hard for me to see in the day light.

The engine is a L15Z5.
The front looks nice, but i dont really like the look of the rear when i see it.

[curtis265]

okay guys - am i the only one who thinks this is hideous?

[Jasemas]

I think its hideous too
I thought the ge chassis was okauy - but it has grown on me

[Grayfox]

The rear is hideous, i just didn't want to sound too negative.

[DreadAngel]

okay guys - am i the only one who thinks this is hideous?

Looks like a FN2R cross bred with a Odyssey...

[warrenR]

Not sure if any of you are aware of. I just realize that all 3rd gen jazz in Aussie are made in Japan!
You can look for the ads that the dealership place on the car sales web sites, and the country of origin is Japan!!
I think it's good news for us, but why not throwing in a direct injection engine in the Japanese factory (the same factory make those jam Fit with direction engine)

I can understand why the new city has no direction engine since they made in Thailand. Anyone has any clues??

[Fredoops]

I can understand why the new city has no direction engine since they made in Thailand. Anyone has any clues??

just because it's assembled in japan doesnt mean it's made form japanese local parts.

Ive replaced the headunit in my accord euro (prefacelift 2003) with a facelift one (2007), the head unit in my 2003 was made in Japan, the head unit in my replacement from 2007 was made in Thailand.

the car was always assembled in Japan.

It's probably a Japanese block with a thailand head, or a fully imported thailand engine....

[Jasemas]

The only second gen Jazz that were made in Japan were the Jazz Vibe and Vibe S
As Thailand was flooded Honda AU needed a new source to get their Jazz til Thailand got back up and running

Also the VIN number will tell you the true origin of the chassis
Its defs going to be made in Thailand
Cheaper as Australia has trade deals with them

Edit: New VINs are MRHGK5860FP######
So the M is indicating a Thai manufacture
And the chassis is now a GF lol

[curtis265]

just because it's assembled in japan doesnt mean it's made form japanese local parts.

Ive replaced the headunit in my accord euro (prefacelift 2003) with a facelift one (2007), the head unit in my 2003 was made in Japan, the head unit in my replacement from 2007 was made in Thailand.

the car was always assembled in Japan.

It's probably a Japanese block with a thailand head, or a fully imported thailand engine....

Dont' forget the Thai tranny! :)

[warrenR]

its hard to imagine that a Thai built Jazz chassis and some parts get shipped over to Japan, the the whole car get assembled with some Japan made parts there, and then get shipped over to Aussie at the end? To me I dont see how Honda can reduce overall cost and maximize profit margin by doing so?

Why not just ship straight from Japan, sicne the factory there already capable of making a new car from scrach?

[rosewood]

the au jazz are from thailand & the usa are coming from mexico

[Fredoops]

its hard to imagine that a Thai built Jazz chassis and some parts get shipped over to Japan, the the whole car get assembled with some Japan made parts there, and then get shipped over to Aussie at the end?

not chassis, just engine and whatever part they needed.

fun fact, most of the worlds VW 1.4 TSI engine block is made in a factory in China, then shipped to Germany etc for assembly.

[curtis265]

its hard to imagine that a Thai built Jazz chassis and some parts get shipped over to Japan, the the whole car get assembled with some Japan made parts there, and then get shipped over to Aussie at the end? To me I dont see how Honda can reduce overall cost and maximize profit margin by doing so?

Why not just ship straight from Japan, sicne the factory there already capable of making a new car from scrach?
Have you ever looked at how a Prius is made?

[rosewood]

picked up my VTI-S 2015 Jazz on saturday, big improvement on the GE jazz. Lovely to drive & steering is very light.

[Jasemas]

Please enlighten the 1st and 2nd gen Jazz owners on the new 3rd gen
Hows the drum brakes?
What deal did you get?
Which dealer did you buy from?
Cheers

[curtis265]

Hows the drum brakes?


i really dont think one would ever notice on the street

[rosewood]

Please enlighten the 1st and 2nd gen Jazz owners on the new 3rd gen
Hows the drum brakes?
What deal did you get?
Which dealer did you buy from?
Cheers

haven't done much driving as yet but brakes are fine really cannot tell the difference between disk but drum is only on the back. My brother thought my GE09 Jazz was ugly but he saw my new jazz sitting in the showroom waiting for me to pickup & he thought the jazz was really nice. never had this comment from him before on any of my car purchases. He now wants one for his wife. The deals seem to be different from state to state, victoria getting better deals for some reason. My dealer was in sydney. I paid on the road $23500 with tinting, mats, luggage tray, premium plates, & full tank of petrol. one guy from victoria on whirlpool forum got $24,200 for VTI-L with extra's not sure how he got this price as sydney dealers were asking $26200. another guy told me he got a VTI-S for 22,000 on the road with as few extras so you need to shop around at a couple of dealers.
hooked up my android phone to the lcd screen to view my maps works good except until honda come out with android app you cannot drive with the maps on the screen only audio. The reversing camera is good shows a outline of the area behind you & there is a line which tells how far you are away from things. Cons....don't like the driver headrest as it seems to slant forward & there is a curved pillar near the small window which really blocks your view not sure why they bothered keeping this small windows in. some people have stated the front has lost a bit of leg room but I don't agree same room as the GE. Although the chair runners are more forward & you might want to sit more forward if you do not like the see the runner . Most people are buying the blue & the white. The yellow is nice but its more of a green lemon color. Personally the jazz looks good in any color. I purchased the white orchid pearl, in the sunlight its a very pretty finish. coming from a black jazz any color would be nice except black......there is only 2 good things about black.....when you buy it & when you sell it...lol
having owned 1st, 2nd & 3rd this is better Jazz.

[Grayfox]

I asked a dealer salesman how many forward gears does the CVT auto have and they said 5.
really?
5

Suzuki makes a 7 speed CVT for their kei cars and i am sure other makers have 6 speed.

[Jasemas]

It's a simulated 7 speed CVT from memory

[Grayfox]

It's a simulated 7 speed CVT from memory

Was thinking that since the VIN had the number 8 after the chassis code which normally tells you how many gears in total, 6 for 5 speed manual or 5 speed auto + reverse and so forth.
But the salesman said 5 speed, but the salesman might not know anything about it and think it is like the old autos.

If it really is a 7 speed CVT it would be zippy, even more so if we get the L15B engine in a facelift

[Jasemas]

Was thinking that since the VIN had the number 8 after the chassis code which normally tells you how many gears in total, 6 for 5 speed manual or 5 speed auto + reverse and so forth.
But the salesman said 5 speed, but the salesman might not know anything about it and think it is like the old autos.

If it really is a 7 speed CVT it would be zippy, even more so if we get the L15B engine in a facelift

He probably did not realise they went back to the CVT, like the first gen was
Too bad we did not get the JDM DOHC L15B
Maybe in the update next year we'll get it

[KenYu]

Been using my MY05 VTi-S till couple weeks ago, also have MY09 for a period of time, and now with my MY15 VTi-L in Modern Steel colour. By comparison, this gen3 model is way better on driving feeling. Also own Odyssey for family driving. Take off is comparative with the Odyssey. SOHC 1.5L with CVT in D mode (not S) and gentle paddle has enough for comfortable take off, and definitely feel the motion when lead footed.
My suggestion is go for a test drive and get the feeling, I had the cloud in my head when I read all the spec but all clear after real driving.

[rosewood]

After I purchased the MY15 I drove my MY08 as I was getting it ready for the new owner to pick it up & it felt horrible to drive compared to the new model.

[KenYu]

Even better with the Eco mode on, feel a lot more gentle with the engine reaction. Honda have done a pretty good calibration on the ECU.

[EG5[KRT]]

def 7 speed in the new vti-s, seems very strange to drive after driving a Ge Vti-s , but totally different cvt to the Gd version.

[rosewood]

;3940557']def 7 speed in the new vti-s, seems very strange to drive after driving a Ge Vti-s , but totally different cvt to the Gd version.

so how do you find it different, honda told me they made some changes with the CVT in this years model but I can't compare as my last CVT was the 1st generation

[Baby Face]

im in the showroom now as i work at Burswood Honda, the new Jazz has a L15Z engine. not an L15A like previous models.

The new one is thai made atm, the first batch may of been japanese but they are now thai.

still has hondas QC.

and the VTiL in my showroom has LED headlights.

Drum breaks work well, drum is actually a very effective brake they are just no good for racing, if it were a performance vehicle i would be disspaointed but drum brakes act better for parking, and handbrakeys.

Also directional reverse camera with 3 angles. On all models.

i think overall finish quality is better than previous ones, except base model manual which is on par, but its costs less.

fuels consumption is rated at 5.8 combined

[rosewood]

im in the showroom now as i work at Burswood Honda, the new Jazz has a L15Z engine. not an L15A like previous models.

The new one is thai made atm, the first batch may of been japanese but they are now thai.

still has hondas QC.

and the VTiL in my showroom has LED headlights.

Drum breaks work well, drum is actually a very effective brake they are just no good for racing, if it were a performance vehicle i would be disspaointed but drum brakes act better for parking, and handbrakeys.

Also directional reverse camera with 3 angles. On all models.

i think overall finish quality is better than previous ones, except base model manual which is on par, but its costs less.

fuels consumption is rated at 5.8 combined

I have a VTI-S which also has the led lights which are fantastic to drive at night, brakes are fine no problems there. AU have always been from thailand except when it was flooded so they came out of Japan.

[curtis265]

How is are the LED headlights like? how high/low beam work?

[Baby Face]

they are LED projectors for low beam, i think i will drive a jazz to yours tonight, u will see

unless you want me to take a different car i can ask and see

[Jasemas]

New Jazz very nice hehe

[NightRyder]

LED only low beam, high beam halogen.

disappointed with the new AU Jazz...

[Baby Face]

could put more shit on it but it would cost more, and for a jazz that would be silly, since the competition is at this price.

[NightRyder]

Indeed, putting more shit on it may cost more, but there are people out there who like to add extras when buying a new car and personalize it to their own taste.

But even then at least they could have put the new EarthDreams Technology DOHC engine in and not the SOHC engine.

[DreadAngel]

Its Honda Australia, you expect them to do anything dramatic like giving you the latest of everything?

[Baby Face]

yeh i too am dissapointed that we missed out on the better engine.

but most of the ppl that buy a jazz get the entry level model with no extras because they want to spend the least they can.

would of been good if the better engine was available on the VTiS and above.