View Full Version : euro v prelude vtir and integra vtir
albii
23-04-2005, 09:54 AM
just wondering how a euro would go against a prelude vtir or integra vtir.
are these cars as quick or quicker than a 6sp euro.....
just wondering how a euro would go against a prelude vtir or integra vtir.
are these cars as quick or quicker than a 6sp euro.....
Oh no! Bad question to ask as I have found Prelude owners and Integra owners don't like to think the Euro is even close.
To answer your question - it all depends on the car (eg lux is heavier), the driver, and to what speed you are talking to. I reckon on the track to to 60kph the lude or integra would win. To 100kph the times are fairly similar - all within 0.5 of a second so the driver is the difference. Over 1/4 it is similar too - someone recently got 15.5 in a Euro - I have seen similar or worse times for the Prelude Vtir and Integra Vtir
Slugoid
23-04-2005, 04:54 PM
I got chopped by a VTI-R lude, rolling start, but mine's auto. I reckon the integra and lude would be slightly better than the Euro, but heavily dedends on the driver imo.
albii
23-04-2005, 05:47 PM
i got a 6sp standard...how would that go...
i got a 6sp standard...how would that go...
How many kms on the odo? Why don't you time it on a private road / track with a stopwatch and see how you go. Let us know what time you get. 7.6 - 7.8 would be good.
albii
24-04-2005, 10:41 AM
How many kms on the odo? Why don't you time it on a private road / track with a stopwatch and see how you go. Let us know what time you get. 7.6 - 7.8 would be good.
9000km on odo i will give it go with a stopwatch...
9000km on odo i will give it go with a stopwatch...
Maybe wait until after the 10,000km service. Some fresh oil makes a difference.
albii
24-04-2005, 10:59 AM
Maybe wait until after the 10,000km service. Some fresh oil makes a difference.
should i not use the honda oil and go straight for synthetic mobil 1
should i not use the honda oil and go straight for synthetic mobil 1
People have different views about oils. I decided to go with a better oil as my dealer uses fairly cheap Castrol FMX Magnatec - something like that. If I am going to be charged $35 for relatively cheap oil - I would prefer to spend a little more and bring my own.
You can't go wrong with Mobil 1 if that is what you want to use.
THRUST
24-04-2005, 03:33 PM
The Euro would be able to keep up, I doubt there will be much difference in straight line speed. The Euro might be a tad quicker than the Teg and a bit slower than the lude.
91'lude
24-04-2005, 05:07 PM
The teg vtir, would win, prelude vtir second.
On a prelude australia cruise a year back, they had a euro turn up, two 4th gen vtir's were leading the way, and the 3rd gen and the euro 6 spd were struggling to keep up through the bends... So no, not as fast, but definetly not slow.
albii
24-04-2005, 06:10 PM
The teg vtir, would win, prelude vtir second.
On a prelude australia cruise a year back, they had a euro turn up, two 4th gen vtir's were leading the way, and the 3rd gen and the euro 6 spd were struggling to keep up through the bends... So no, not as fast, but definetly not slow.
yes that could also be driver
91'lude
25-04-2005, 09:45 AM
Agreed, but the driver use to own a 4th gen SiVtec and he admits the prelude was quite a bit quicker.
Ronin
25-04-2005, 10:51 AM
I'l vouch for that!!! I just sold my Prelude VTIR 4th Gen, and the lude is definitely quicker than the Accord Euro - which I drive now.
I think its more to do with the gearing. I find the Euro Gears a bit short, and you have to shift sooner - whereas the lude you can gears feel as though you can rev through them a bit more.
Oh yeah, remember to turn of VSA if you're wanting to get a more realistic feel/time for your sprints
I'l vouch for that!!! I just sold my Prelude VTIR 4th Gen, and the lude is definitely quicker than the Accord Euro - which I drive now.
I think its more to do with the gearing. I find the Euro Gears a bit short, and you have to shift sooner - whereas the lude you can gears feel as though you can rev through them a bit more.
Oh yeah, remember to turn of VSA if you're wanting to get a more realistic feel/time for your sprints
If you just sold your Prelude - I presume your Euro is new? Euros take 15000+kms to break in so don't compare its performance yet.
coladuna
25-04-2005, 12:56 PM
The teg vtir, would win, prelude vtir second.
On a prelude australia cruise a year back, they had a euro turn up, two 4th gen vtir's were leading the way, and the 3rd gen and the euro 6 spd were struggling to keep up through the bends... So no, not as fast, but definetly not slow.
That's me you are talking about and that's actually incorrect.
It was very wet that day and I was actually stuck behind the preludes thinking they are very slow. Apprently, they were all having troubles with the car twitching in the wet weather especially over bumpy mountain passes. I had no such problem in my Euro and was extremely stable. Also, bear in mind that every prelude that day only had the driver while I had a passenger who weighs 72kg.
I think my manual Euro is as fast as my old Prelude. It's only done 12000km now so I should expect a slight improvement.
*** yfin edit - Coladuna - no street racing references allowed - even if it is to legal speeds - keep it on the track ***
albii
25-04-2005, 03:03 PM
I'l vouch for that!!! I just sold my Prelude VTIR 4th Gen, and the lude is definitely quicker than the Accord Euro - which I drive now.
I think its more to do with the gearing. I find the Euro Gears a bit short, and you have to shift sooner - whereas the lude you can gears feel as though you can rev through them a bit more.
Oh yeah, remember to turn of VSA if you're wanting to get a more realistic feel/time for your sprints
euro gears short?? no way...115kmh in second is not short at all..
albii
25-04-2005, 03:06 PM
lets us all remember too that the euro is a refined car and it wont feel as quick as a prelude when in fact it is.. if not quicker..
my v6 triton feels quicker than my euro because its unrefined compared to it but my euro would flog the **** off it..
euro gears short?? no way...115kmh in second is not short at all..
No way you can get 115kh in the 6MT in 2nd unless you have modified the gear ratios or made some other serious modification. Stock max in 2nd is around 100kph.
albii
25-04-2005, 03:14 PM
No way you can get 115kh in the 6MT in 2nd. Max would be around 100kph.
did it the other night..cut out 115kmh in 2nd
did it the other night..cut out 115kmh in 2nd
Flat road? Pls film this as your Euro is different to mine - at 7300rpm it is around 100kph - maybe 103 or 102 max - but definately not 115kph. And you definately have the manual - not tip shifting the auto in 2nd?
albii
25-04-2005, 03:24 PM
thats not right..yes i have the 6sp 04 model and it def does 115 at cutout in 2nd
nEUROtic
25-04-2005, 03:30 PM
Fight!
thats not right..yes i have the 6sp 04 model and it def does 115 at cutout in 2nd
OK - well film it for us and post it up- this is something I would like to see. There could also be a problem with your car as I am almost certain this is not normal for a stock 6mt.
Also - when does your car hit vtec in 2nd gear - at what speed?
albii
25-04-2005, 03:34 PM
OK - well film it for us and post it up- this is something I would like to see. There could also be a problem with your car as I am almost certain this is not normal for a stock 6mt.
Also - when does your car hit vtec in 2nd gear - at what speed?
now i have to go for a drive dont i?? dont know what speed in 2nd but i know it does 115 in 2nd....hang on back soon
albii
25-04-2005, 03:35 PM
i cant post film or photos as iam not a supporter yet..
i cant post film or photos as iam not a supporter yet..
I have hit VTEC enough times in my Euro to know that what you are saying is not consistent with other Euros. Like I said - there could be a problem with your car.
nEUROtic
25-04-2005, 03:40 PM
yfin can you post it when u get it in email??
yfin can you post it when u get it in email??
Yes - and if anyone else can get more than 105kph in 2nd gear with a stock 6mt - please speak up.
albii
25-04-2005, 03:43 PM
ok just back from drive ....just on 110kph in 2nd on flat road and vtec just below 6000rpm at 90kmh in 2nd
ok just back from drive ....just on 110kph in 2nd on flat road and vtec just below 6000rpm at 90kmh in 2nd
pls post up the diameter and tyre size of your 18' wheels.
albii
25-04-2005, 03:45 PM
225/40/18
albii
25-04-2005, 03:49 PM
btw now my car stinks cos i did it like 6 times
Ok - your tyres are a little taller in diameter which does throw the speedo off a few %. My speedo is spot on according to the dyno run I did at 100kph.
I just checked the fuel cut - it is at 106 - maybe 108 (hard to read). I usually try to avoid fuel cut. So your 110kph is about the same due to the speedo difference. Still - it isnt 115!:D
nEUROtic
25-04-2005, 04:02 PM
Where are the movies :S ?
So yfin - 100 in 2nd is alrite if u dont wanna hit fuel cut?
So yfin - 100 in 2nd is alrite if u dont wanna hit fuel cut?
Without a doubt - no problem at all.
Blew_lude
25-04-2005, 04:11 PM
every1 under-estimates the prelude!
albii
25-04-2005, 04:39 PM
115 on sloping road 110 flat
albii
25-04-2005, 05:11 PM
every1 under-estimates the prelude!
no ...everyone knows the prelude ...everyone under estimates the euro......a guy on this forum has a euro making 122kw at the front wheels with an exhaust and filter meanwhile on the same dyno a type r integra with similar mods makes 117kw......and i have seen quarter mile times for the euro 15.23sec standard 6sp
no ...everyone knows the prelude ...everyone under estimates the euro......a guy on this forum has a euro making 122kw at the front wheels with an exhaust and filter meanwhile on the same dyno a type r integra with similar mods makes 117kw......and i have seen quarter mile times for the euro 15.23sec standard 6sp
Yes, but the Type R will be faster. Same with the Prelude - some can get better than 15.23.
albii
25-04-2005, 08:27 PM
Yes, but the Type R will be faster. Same with the Prelude - some can get better than 15.23.
iam not saying the prelude is crap or slow....just stating that the euro is underated
iam not saying the prelude is crap or slow....just stating that the euro is underated
Fair enough
Blew_lude
26-04-2005, 03:47 PM
Yes, but the Type R will be faster. Same with the Prelude - some can get better than 15.23.
ive got an exhaust, and my car does consistant 15.1's with 18's
euro77
26-04-2005, 07:44 PM
eventhough the euro make more power, the teg & lude are lighter
Spoon-Accord
26-04-2005, 07:52 PM
i pull around 110 in 2nd in my H22a.
doesnt really matter how far ur 2nd can reach out to..
i guess it all comes down to.. How fast can it finish 2nd gear before u hit 3rd..
Kenny
albii
26-04-2005, 07:59 PM
i pull around 110 in 2nd in my H22a.
doesnt really matter how far ur 2nd can reach out to..
i guess it all comes down to.. How fast can it finish 2nd gear before u hit 3rd..
Kenny
telling me...........apart from the euro i have owned a magna v6 manual, 95 lancer gsr turbo with mods ,liberty rs turbo standard and forester gt turbo with mods so i know all about that.
coladuna
26-04-2005, 09:54 PM
eventhough the euro make more power, the teg & lude are lighter
What are you talking about?
Prelude makes 147kW, which is MORE than 140kW the euro makes.
Slugoid
27-04-2005, 12:42 AM
no ...everyone knows the prelude ...everyone under estimates the euro......a guy on this forum has a euro making 122kw at the front wheels with an exhaust and filter meanwhile on the same dyno a type r integra with similar mods makes 117kw......and i have seen quarter mile times for the euro 15.23sec standard 6sp
Doesn't really matter if the ITR pulled less power than the Euro. It's at least 150-200kg ligher than the Euro, which is a huge difference. I would still pick the ITR anyday for performance.
Around the corner, I can vouch that a stock Euro will not do well in tight corners at all due to it's sheer weight and massive body roll. Light twistes the Euro can keep up with the teggy and lude no problem.
coladuna
27-04-2005, 05:23 PM
In wet weather, I'll definitely pick the Euro over Prelude.
My Prelude just didn't have the same stability and grip in the wet. I felt nervous driving fast in the wet with Prelude, but it feels much stable with the Euro.
Although there's more bodyroll going into a corner, I think I have more grip in my Euro than Prelude for some reason.
91'lude
27-04-2005, 06:25 PM
To blew_lude, 15.1, in a h22a with just a exaust? thats optimistic, mcchook ran his 5th gen and got a 15.6, dmt ran his 5th gen and got a 15.4, they both have full exaust systems, and mcchook has gone alot further than that, DMT has the series 2 gen 5.
The simple fact is, has anyone ran a stock euro 6 spd on the strip?
There obviously both under estimated :P But we've had the h22a, since 1994, so u'd think we'd know the prelude better. ANd that would be mid to high 15's on a stock vtir....
The simple fact is, has anyone ran a stock euro 6 spd on the strip?
Yes - Mattell got 15.51 but I think he has intake only
albii
27-04-2005, 06:31 PM
and i have seen as low as 15.23...totally stock
and i have seen as low as 15.23...totally stock
Really - who is that?
91'lude
27-04-2005, 06:54 PM
Its a run id love to see, id say there pritty even paced than, i dunno, alot of the prelude guys wouldnt wanta hear that... but i dont mind them performing, as long as their honda's.
Actually, thats quite good, concidering the new SV6 holden and XR6 falcon neither broke into the 15 second barrior.
euro77
27-04-2005, 08:59 PM
What are you talking about?
Prelude makes 147kW, which is MORE than 140kW the euro makes.
I was referring to this:
no ...everyone knows the prelude ...everyone under estimates the euro......a guy on this forum has a euro making 122kw at the front wheels with an exhaust and filter meanwhile on the same dyno a type r integra with similar mods makes 117kw......and i have seen quarter mile times for the euro 15.23sec standard 6sp
Matell
27-04-2005, 09:23 PM
Yes - Mattell got 15.51 but I think he has intake only
Yes, that's correct. Intake only at this stage. I have run 15.3's as determined by my RSM+G-Sensor, but my run on the strip proved that the RSM reads on average 0.2s to fast. As a result I'd only ever consider claiming 1/4mile speeds that have been achieved on a track, and tend to add 0.2secs onto any value I see that doesn't have a timeslip.
Quote:
Originally Posted by albii
and i have seen as low as 15.23...totally stock
Really - who is that?
I too have seen a 15.23 but it wasn't a Euro. I believe it was posted by a canadian TSX owner on another forum. His time was also obtained by a device similar to a rev speed meter+g-sensor so there's room for error. However I don't recall if he was stock.
albii
28-04-2005, 03:06 PM
Really - who is that?
nz autocar magazine tested the euro not the tsx when it came out and recorded 15.23 sec and 7.3sec 0-100
albii
28-04-2005, 03:25 PM
no just p[lain euro with 16 inch wheels
Blew_lude
28-04-2005, 03:38 PM
To blew_lude, 15.1, in a h22a with just a exaust? thats optimistic, mcchook ran his 5th gen and got a 15.6, dmt ran his 5th gen and got a 15.4, they both have full exaust systems, and mcchook has gone alot further than that, DMT has the series 2 gen 5.
The simple fact is, has anyone ran a stock euro 6 spd on the strip?
There obviously both under estimated :P But we've had the h22a, since 1994, so u'd think we'd know the prelude better. ANd that would be mid to high 15's on a stock vtir....
take nothing away from DMT and McChook, but if the H22a is driven properly, it can go along way in proving that its not just a heavy car.
the accord aint slow, but to me, if u were talking stock, its prelude-integra-euro. but in terms of mods, the integra has most potential. thats easily seen.
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