What do you hate about the Euro?

[Pumped]

My biggest complaints would have to be the rattles, they seem to be coming from everywhere.
They come and go also, fix one and another pops up :(
drives me crazy

[[RSX 03]]

I use to love the euro when it first got released in Australia, It looked abit classy.

But now it's turning into the next Lancer and Civic, you see on every street. :S

[ok2]

Well what do you expect its twice the price of the Euro.

The Euro is what it is, a nice medium size family car. Its not a sports car, its not a luxury car, if you see it for what it is its great, if not youre gonna be disappointed.

By all accounts the new C class seems great. If only it looked better. :(

On the comparison totally agree :thumbsup:

Also check out the service costs of the Merc. I think you will be in for a rude shock !

[aaronng]

On the comparison totally agree :thumbsup:

Also check out the service costs of the Merc. I think you will be in for a rude shock !

$500 for the minor service, once a year. Euro is $250 for hte minor service, twice a year. While I don't agree with the 12 month service interval and prefer a 6 month interval, the servicing cost is still comparable. :)

[marosch]

@Aarong
A bit of an apple and pear comparison. How much are bot cars new? One is a V6, the other one a Inline 4, one is RWD, the other is FWD.
I'm actually from Germany and drove many German cars, and actually had a position as a fleet manager. German cars are not as good as some people think they are. Especially problems with the electronics and with engines!

[marosch]

Hi guys,

the only problem I have is the rattle problem. Car was already three times at dealer and they can't fix one nasty noise in the left front area of the car.

Otherwise very happy with the car and I knew about all the pros and cons BEFORE I bought the car.

I really have to laugh about the people who complain about the power of the engine. Didn't you test drive the car before you signed on the dotted line?
It is only a 4-Cylinder and not a 6 or 8 Cylinder.

If you want more power, trade the car and buy a Mazda 6 MPS, a SS commodore or whatever.

I had a Verada GTVi before and it had more grunt, but sucked over 2 litres more fuel and wasn't as "zippy". For most the driving I do I don't need more power in a car. And Australian speed limits are pathetic anyway...

[aaronng]

@Aarong
A bit of an apple and pear comparison. How much are bot cars new? One is a V6, the other one a Inline 4, one is RWD, the other is FWD.
I'm actually from Germany and drove many German cars, and actually had a position as a fleet manager. German cars are not as good as some people think they are. Especially problems with the electronics and with engines!

I apologise as I didn't realise that the C280 was not considered a passenger car for carrying 5 people. :)
Also, it doesn't matter if the C280 is double the price of an Euro. It is not an unobtainable car for the average person like how a Ferrari or a Zonda is. The C280 is a car that the public can afford as the price is not ridiculous. And in a few years time, the secondhand price of the C280 will be lower than that of a new Euro, making it an alternative if someone didn't mind getting a secondhand car.

It doesn't matter if one is a V6 and the other is an I4. They both are fuel economical engines made for passenger vehicles. Same with being RWD and FWD, it doesn't matter. It's just different ways of achieving the same objective, to get you and your passengers from point A to point B.

So you are going to put a blanket statement over all german engines? Even something as bulletproof as a Porsche 911 boxer-6? The new DOHC 4-valve V6 in the W204 C280 has only been out worldwide since April this year and thus no information on its reliability is available yet. I don't think it is fair to say that it is not reliable when there is no information available yet and that it is significantly different from last year's SOHC 3-valve V6 engine.

Just 3-4 decades ago, Japanese cars (and goods) were thought of as poorly built, unreliable and flimsy cars. If everyone was narrow-minded and never gave Japanese cars a chance to improve, we wouldn't have a car like the Euro. :)

[tony1234]

On the comparison totally agree :thumbsup:

Also check out the service costs of the Merc. I think you will be in for a rude shock !
As Aarong says Mercedes (and Porsche)servicing is quite reasonable.If you want a shock check out BMW service costs.:eek:

[aaronng]

Servicing costs for the german cars are reasonable in the years when the car is under warranty. The 12 month service interval keeps the servicing costs in line with the japanese competitors. Unfortunately, the 12 month interval results in gumming of the engine oil in the head, especially in BMWs, which is probably the cause of VANOS failures.

[tony1234]

I couldn't drive a car for 12 mths.without an oil change,i'd feel guilty.

[EuroDude]

And here we have some Honda owners changing the oil every 3 months with
Synthetic. Sounds overkill compared to the 12month BMW servicing intervals.

I get the oil changed at the regular intervals and I dont really see any
performance increase after an oil change, probably cuz its a relatively new car.
An oil change made a huge difference in my EG Civic..

[EuroDude]

It's supposedly caused by some emissions thingy. Anyway, what I do is let the engine idle for about 10 seconds before I turn the engine off. It reduces the amount of unburnt fuel left in the cylinder when you turn off the engine.

Yeah I've found this helps a lot actually.
Sometimes the engine dribbles at 300rpm and is about to stall, then suddenly starts up. Quite a difference compared to my Civics easy two-crank start.

[marosch]

@Aarong

Your statement about the comparison about the two cars is a bit wrong in my opinion. We should always compare vehicles in the same league. Engine size and power, size of car and of course price.

I don't put a blanket over all German engines, but the cars are not as good as you think they are. Sure Germans build great cars, but the cars are not faultless and I personally and as a fleet manager have experienced a lot of trouble with electronic failures and engine problems.

The Porsche B6 engines are very reliable, as mainly everything is that Porsche manufacturers. The old Volkswagen B4 engines are nearly as good!
As I mentioned before... Let's compare apples with apples.

Why didn't you buy a second hand Merc if it is better than a Honda?
Am I allowed to ask how many German cars you have owned before?

BTW
If the 12 month service at BMW would result in problems with the VANOS, BMW would change the service interval. Honda has changed the service interval in AUS compared to Europe.
Some AUDI cars require service every 50,000km (in Europe)

[aaronng]

Your statement about the comparison about the two cars is a bit wrong in my opinion. We should always compare vehicles in the same league. Engine size and power, size of car and of course price.
In my opinion, it's apples and apples when they are cars that one has shortlisted during his/her car shopping. If I was deciding between a new 2007 Jazz or a 1979 Porsche 911, they are still apples and apples, not pear/orange/mango or banana.


I don't put a blanket over all German engines, but the cars are not as good as you think they are. Sure Germans build great cars, but the cars are not faultless and I personally and as a fleet manager have experienced a lot of trouble with electronic failures and engine problems.
I'm not denying that previous German cars had problems and were not faultless and bulletproof. I'm just saying that you are condemning an engine that was just released this year and no one knows if it is an unreliable engine (yet!).



The Porsche B6 engines are very reliable, as mainly everything is that Porsche manufacturers. The old Volkswagen B4 engines are nearly as good!
As I mentioned before... Let's compare apples with apples.
Both are engines. If we can compare the Euro's I4 to a Liberty's boxer4 or boxer6, I don't see why we can't compare a Merc 230 or 280 V6 to a K24A3. They are all passenger car engines. If I was comparing a K24A3 to a hand prepared 911 GT3 boxer6, then yes, I am being silly. But in my comparison of the C280, both are mass produced engines designed for drivability and not outright power.



Why didn't you buy a second hand Merc if it is better than a Honda?
Am I allowed to ask how many German cars you have owned before?
When I was shopping for my car in 2004, Merc only had their old 3-valve SOHC engines which made less power per litre than the Euro. Even the fuel consumption for the two were comparable. That's why I chose the Euro. The alternative was the E30 and E36 3-series, but I was put off by the electronics of the E36, while E30s in good condition were uncommon and expensive (didn't feel like paying $11,000 for a good nick 1989 323i).

Opel Rekord Berlina (old old old) and 230 E (yes, E after the 230, not before).



BTW
If the 12 month service at BMW would result in problems with the VANOS, BMW would change the service interval. Honda has changed the service interval in AUS compared to Europe.
Some AUDI cars require service every 50,000km (in Europe)
Many many E46 M3s had problems with the VANOS. Go check bimmerworld :) The oil gums up in the head. The engine still runs fine though.

[ramsey]

I dislike a few things in my new 6MT standard Euro;

1) The standard sound system is lacklustre (and I'm certainly no audiophile), I was surprised to find it is not upgraded in the Lux model (unlike Mazda 6).
2) I had a persistent rattle from the centre console, turned out to be the cupholder clip when it is stowed. Leaving it released even when the compartment is closed fixed the problem but its a design fault.
3) DBW is jerky at low speeds. I can smooth it out by shifting extremely carefully but haven't had to that in any other car.
4) Low speed ride is a bit firm especially on crappy Adelaide roads but not a big deal really.
5) Steering feel is ordinary, especially compared to the Mazda 6.
6) Oh and with the DZ climate control, I'd like to be able to turn one side off.
7) And finally, the 16" wheels look diminutive on the Euro. I think 17s should be standard on the base model with 18s on the Lux.

But like most people here, overall I'm rapt with the car. For what it is and what it costs, it's an exceptional all round package.

[neborama]

About my MY07 Tourer I dislike...

1. When doors are locked and you arrive @ ur destination, you have to manually unlock your car so you and your passengers can get out (my previous cars unlock as soon as you open the door from inside)
2. The factory sound system is almost crock shit
3. Almost impossible for me to slap in a MP3 headunit since Satnav DVD Din unit takes place
4. Glovebox not aligned properly (although a common issue ffs get it fixed already Honda)

End rant :P

[Blitzen]

I drive a '03 Euro, one of the first batches that arrived in Australia, you know... 16" rims... however in my own opinion she still has a beautiful body, and the metalic grey reflects it like nothing better in the dark

anyway... the cons..

-the Dunnies are way too noisy
-rims are too small, dosn't match an agressive looking, wide body look-a-like shell
-only a lil vtec at 6k, basically dyno shows it's already dropping power slowly while it's reaching redline, then a lil vtec kick and that's it, but it's good enough
-wish the semi-auto responded much quicker to gear changes - yes i drive an auto...
-false tacho, dosn't even take me to 260 :P
-stability control kicks in at unwanted times, glad there's a switch for it

can't think of more, it's a good car in my opinion, but some downsides

[DLRioM]

Most of the cons mentioned is just nit picking to be honest.

When comparing the price of the car with others available you really are getting alot of value for your money.

In my opinion if you are after more power or quality u should be expecting to pay alot more than what the Euro is going for.

My previous car to the Euro was a '94 E36 318is and after that the Euro is amazing.

The bimmer had the power of a yaris, the quality was pathetic, every seat had ripped at the seams, there was enough rattling in the cabin to push me on the verge of insanity and anything that could go wrong with the engine did plus service and parts were at least twice the price of any other car.

While there are some things on the car i consider needs improving u altimately get what u pay for.

A family member of mine has a 96' CLK230 and at almost 3x times the cost i cannot see the same value for money as the Euro.

[r-r-redEuro]

94 model.... its a 318 not even a 323 or 325.

[Pumped]

94 model.... its a 318 not even a 323 or 325.

Thats what he said..

[Suntzu]

Im not having a lot of issues:

Only :

Slight Drone/whine in gearbox under acceleration. Looked at and acknowledged by dealer but not bad enough to be fixed. Common im told.
Gearbox got stiff but they flushed the manual fluid under warranty and fixed it.



Otherwise pretty good. Not many noises or issues. Ive only done 36000km in 2years.

The cars very good for the money. This BS above about comparisons is worthless. You got to look at a similar car and similar money. Theres nothing that touches a Euro. That being said I would NEVER have considered a Euro Lux asit was too much money for leather, which was all I was after. And at the $42 000 price point theres a LOT of good options. ( bear in mind I own a brand new CRV lux 07, so its not the money, but the value that concerns me, Euro standard = Awesome Value, Euro lux = Average Value)

I had a Mitsubishi TJ sports 02 5sp auto new before it and it was a decent car but 3 gearboxes blown by 50 000km and non existent mitsu customer service. 10 weesk without a car all up!

Im loving honda service and reliability frankly.
All cars have issues. I can live with the honda ones.

[Lukey13]

Euro standard = Awesome Value, Euro lux = Average Value)


Agreed that the standard is awesome value, however the great value argument did come into it for me with the luxury also. I found it hard to get a car that drives like the Euro (BMW was my only competition in this department, in my mind) that comes with all the luxuries for below $50K. I'm a sucker for the luxuries such as sat-nav, rain-sensing wipers, Xenons, heated electric seats, sunroof, etc. Honestly, I couldn't have a car without such things now. Although I know most other people don't feel the same, that's just me, and that's why I chose the Euro Lux. It basically came between a fully-optioned brand new Luxury with sat-nav or a 2003 BMW 325i (the best 6 cylinder available in manual - bar the M3) in black with M-sport seats and bodykit. Sometimes I think about the 325i, but I'm still glad I got the Euro.

[EUR003act]

after spending 5hours yesterday detailing my parents mazda 6 luxury... the euro is definately the better car! quality of the interior panelling is far superior on the euro... i was amazed at how cheap the 6 felt compared to my euro... yes there are some things that the euro could have done better, but for its price, youd never get any better!

slightly off subject i know... but i had to stick up for the euro :P
oh and talking about build quality, i was looking in my mates BA mkII XR6 the other day, and holy sh*t theyre bulid qualtiy is bad! you can actually see the off cuts on the inside door handles where they were taken out of the molds, they look like where the two halves of an easter egg are joined! and i mean the plastics use feel like chinese take away containers!

[80057]

i got quoted for both std and lux and there was 4k difference, 4k for leather, seat warmers, sunroof, bigger wheels, and other bits and pieces i think is worth it.

my bro has a mazda 6 lux a well, totally agree with interior quality of euro is heps better, seats are also alot better, even with the bose sound system i dont think it was much better then the euros, i aint a head banger or a doof doof so i dont need full ball music. i wouldnt even begin to compare falcodores to jap quality.

[neborama]

i got quoted for both std and lux and there was 4k difference, 4k for leather, seat warmers, sunroof, bigger wheels, and other bits and pieces i think is worth it.

my bro has a mazda 6 lux a well, totally agree with interior quality of euro is heps better, seats are also alot better, even with the bose sound system i dont think it was much better then the euros, i aint a head banger or a doof doof so i dont need full ball music. i wouldnt even begin to compare falcodores to jap quality.

$4K difference between the Std and Lux?
Are you sure man? Std manual retails for $33,990 and the Lux Man is $40,990?

But I guess if you pay cash then the figures might be a different story..
I paid $35,300 drive away for my Tourer last month; I shoulda got the Luxury :(

Anyway back on topic
- Went to the motorshow and had a real good inspection on the build quality of other cars within the $35K price range, let's just say Euro > Holden Astra. But I don;t like how the Euro's headlights don't turn off Automatically...

[80057]

$4K difference between the Std and Lux?
Are you sure man? Std manual retails for $33,990 and the Lux Man is $40,990?

But I guess if you pay cash then the figures might be a different story..
I paid $35,300 drive away for my Tourer last month; I shoulda got the Luxury :(

Anyway back on topic
- Went to the motorshow and had a real good inspection on the build quality of other cars within the $35K price range, let's just say Euro > Holden Astra. But I don;t like how the Euro's headlights don't turn off Automatically...
positive mate, the girl wanted all the other stuff i didnt rather mind apart from the bigger wheels and spotties, but for 4k extra i gave in. i got mine through leasing through work, leasing company have good buying power.
i have never owned a commodore or a european car so not having the auto off feature doesnt concern me, the audible warning is enough so the battery dont go dead.

[Suntzu]

Id be so happy if there was a cost effective way to make my front seats leather. Id be 100% satisfied then..

Thats the only feature I wanted of the Lux, the reast is dead weight.

[aaronng]

Id be so happy if there was a cost effective way to make my front seats leather. Id be 100% satisfied then..

Thats the only feature I wanted of the Lux, the reast is dead weight.

You can get an 05 Lux for less than a price of a new base Euro now.

[blk05gli]

is it legal in NSW to swap side airbag equipped seats - say from a JDM TypeS?

[aaronng]

is it legal in NSW to swap side airbag equipped seats - say from a JDM TypeS?

I think only if the new seats have side airbags too.

[terryansimon]

i have never owned a commodore or a european car so not having the auto off feature doesnt concern me, the audible warning is enough so the battery dont go dead.

my humble Toyota Corolla of five years back home had an auto shutoff feature for the lights. they went off when you close the door and leave the headlights on. it can be manually overwritten by just opening the door, turning the lights off and turning them back on again *useful if you need to see what's going on infront of the car when stationary*

that being said, it could be a Singapore/Australia model difference, but seeing how the model I had was an import from Japan as well, there shouldn't be much of a significant difference.

it's something I would like to have, but I can live without. like you said, the audible warning is good enough to make you turn off the lights.

[terryansimon]

About my MY07 Tourer I dislike...

1. When doors are locked and you arrive @ ur destination, you have to manually unlock your car so you and your passengers can get out (my previous cars unlock as soon as you open the door from inside)


I know what you mean with this. on my previous car, the doors automatically unlocked should either the driver or the front passenger opened the door with the latches. however, this may also defeat the purpose of locking the door to begin with.

say for example you have people *children, especially* who love to roam their fingers around. you can child-proof the rear doors and engage the child-safety lock, but what about the front passenger door? that being said, it's not like the kid can't just pull the locking stem out into the unlock position, and then open the door again.... :p

[Omotesando]

I know what you mean with this. on my previous car, the doors automatically unlocked should either the driver or the front passenger opened the door with the latches. however, this may also defeat the purpose of locking the door to begin with.

say for example you have people *children, especially* who love to roam their fingers around. you can child-proof the rear doors and engage the child-safety lock, but what about the front passenger door? that being said, it's not like the kid can't just pull the locking stem out into the unlock position, and then open the door again.... :p


At least its not like one series of Beemers 5 or 7 series which had no latches/buttons at all. Remember see it on the news, some ambassador guy was locked inside his BMW somewhere lol..

Some Euro cars' doors can still be opened from inside without manually unlocking first, but I wonder if they still lock it when the car is moving? Or can u only unlock when its stationary. Pretty sure VWs and Mercedes have this feature.

[aaronng]

The door being able to be unlocked using the door opener latch from the inside is a feature of European cars. Don't confuse the Accord Euro for an European car.

[Omotesando]

Yeah it a bit of an oxymoron. Accord Euro. Civic Type R is another one lol.


Accord Euro has european feel. It has HIDs on lux. It needs TVs. It needs the ability to turn on only one side of the light for night parking in dark areas, etc. Only the true Euros from Europe have that.
But then again one can't complain for the price paid for Accord Euro.

[aaronng]

Yeah it a bit of an oxymoron. Accord Euro. Civic Type R is another one lol.


Accord Euro has european feel. It has HIDs on lux. It needs TVs. It needs the ability to turn on only one side of the light for night parking in dark areas, etc. Only the true Euros from Europe have that.
But then again one can't complain for the price paid for Accord Euro.
Blame Honda Australia for that name. To me, it's just the japanese Accord.

[80057]

my humble Toyota Corolla of five years back home had an auto shutoff feature for the lights. they went off when you close the door and leave the headlights on.

that being said, it could be a Singapore/Australia model difference, but seeing how the model I had was an import from Japan as well, there shouldn't be much of a significant difference.

it's something I would like to have, but I can live without. like you said, the audible warning is good enough to make you turn off the lights.

JDM models normally have better equip then the audm ones, i think the JDM euro has electric folding mirrors, auto off etc etc. it wasnt sold in aus like that to keep price competitive.


Blame Honda Australia for that name. To me, it's just the japanese Accord.:thumbsup: i didnt buy it because i wanted a european like car, i bought it because it was the best for the price looks and lifestyle i wanted from a good japanese stable.

[EUR003act]

JDM models normally have better equip then the audm ones, i think the JDM euro has electric folding mirrors, auto off etc etc. it wasnt sold in aus like that to keep price competitive.

:thumbsup: i didnt buy it because i wanted a european like car, i bought it because it was the best for the price looks and lifestyle i wanted from a good japanese stable.

yep jdm had electric folding mirrors... and in europe it also had heated mirrors for defrosting in winter! :p not to mention 8airbags standard accross both models (lux and normal)

[Suntzu]

I dont wanna sound like prud but i really dont give a rats arse about the features mentioned above.

I dont need auto headlights, im not a moron and , heaven forbid, can turn them off myself.
I dont car for folding mirrors or for side parking lights.

This is because honda japan has done its research and found most people in aus dont need/want it. Thats better than paying $50 000 + 100kgs fo4r shit you dont need. Amen.

[IAMVTEC]

Agreed. All this rain sensing wiper, auto headlight and folding mirror is a nonsense. Totally useless things that they can claim makes them more upmarket. To me, its just more money to replace once they break or you get in an accident.

Leather, sound system, air conditioning, HIDs, and safety. Maybe a sat nav for girls.

Thats all the luxury features you should ever need.


Why dont they start inventing and putting in some features that are actually USEFUL, like a car that washes itself or better paint thats easier to keep clean.

[Pumped]

the title of this thread is a bit harsh
i dont "HATE" anything about my euro, i wouldnt of bought it if i hated anything about it, you dont spend 40g on something you hate
i may have a few "dislikes" or minor changes, but anything i dont like is things i can fix (minor rattles etc)

why isnt there a "things you love about the euro" thread lol

[Merlin086]

I luv my rain sensing wipers, you can be driving a twisty road in variable rain conditions and all you have to worry about is driving.

Much safer than having to be constantly turning them up or down as the rain varies, or if a truck throws up a heavy spray you don't have to panic.

Although sometimes the car in front washes their screen and your wipers wipe once or twice. Easy to stop this by winding down the sensitivity.

Like you I thought they would be just a gimmick but they are really a great safety addition......IMHO

[Type R Positive]

I hate seeing old grandma's and grandpa's in euro's. But I guess they know style when they see it! :p

They complain about the firmer suspension the Euro has. Buy an Accord for F@&% sake!

[Tobster]

I luv my rain sensing wipers, you can be driving a twisty road in variable rain conditions and all you have to worry about is driving.

Agreed. Same goes for the anti-dazzle rear-view mirror -- brilliant!

I actually wish the car did have the defrosting side mirrors; more cars should have them. Makes perfect sense in winter.

As for the folding mirrors, I'm not fussed, but I can see the point (as someone who's had their mirror knocked off another car while it was parked on the street).

[Tobster]

I hate seeing old grandma's and grandpa's in euro's.

What the...? :confused:

I hate seeing people use apostrophes incorrectly for plurals! ;)

[Merlin086]

I hate seeing old grandma's and grandpa's in euro's. But I guess they know style when they see it! :p

They complain about the firmer suspension the Euro has. Buy an Accord for F@&% sake!


Euro with adjustable coilovers and you can have the best of both worlds.

I had a busted hip and pelvis from a bike accident so I want a slightly softer ride than stock, but it still sticks like Shi* to a blanket!, without the slushy Accord handling.

[EUR003act]

I dont wanna sound like prud but i really dont give a rats arse about the features mentioned above.

I dont need auto headlights, im not a moron and , heaven forbid, can turn them off myself.
I dont car for folding mirrors or for side parking lights.

This is because honda japan has done its research and found most people in aus dont need/want it. Thats better than paying $50 000 + 100kgs fo4r shit you dont need. Amen.

i would have thought that you living in canberra would love heated mirrors!
i cant count the amount of times ive had to wipe ice/frost/water of my mirrors in the morning!

as for electric folding mirrors, stops idiots running into them at the shops! saves you money in the long run!

my two cents

[Suntzu]

i would have thought that you living in canberra would love heated mirrors!
i cant count the amount of times ive had to wipe ice/frost/water of my mirrors in the morning!

as for electric folding mirrors, stops idiots running into them at the shops! saves you money in the long run!

my two cents

I have two more efficient methods to heated mirrors and seats.

1. I have a double lock up insulated garage for my 07 CRV and Euro with auto door.
2. I have my company office at home so I dont drive anywhere in the morning.:cool:

Problem solved :wave:

[terryansimon]

I have two more efficient methods to heated mirrors and seats.

1. I have a double lock up insulated garage for my 07 CRV and Euro with auto door.
2. I have my company office at home so I dont drive anywhere in the morning.:cool:

Problem solved :wave:

fortunate guy! unlike the most of us. :(

[EUR003act]

I have two more efficient methods to heated mirrors and seats.

1. I have a double lock up insulated garage for my 07 CRV and Euro with auto door.
2. I have my company office at home so I dont drive anywhere in the morning.:cool:

Problem solved :wave:

so if you were to sell the CRV - theyd be room for me to park my euro in your garage? :p

[martizzle]

i hate the fact you can't put a small take away Latte / Cino, with those lids, with the hole to drink through, in the centre console cup holder thingy. yeah you can get it in... but can you take it out by only holding the lid??? v- messy!! its to deep!!!!! I do have a solution but... you gotta reach to the back seat pull down the rear middle arm rest and use the left passenger sides cup holder..for the right is a bit bigger and will cause a mess. or buy large lattes.

[aaronng]

i hate the fact you can't put a small take away Latte / Cino, with those lids, with the hole to drink through, in the centre console cup holder thingy. yeah you can get it in... but can you take it out by only holding the lid??? v- messy!! its to deep!!!!! I do have a solution but... you gotta reach to the back seat pull down the rear middle arm rest and use the left passenger sides cup holder..for the right is a bit bigger and will cause a mess. or buy large lattes.

http://andoverbookstore.com/shop/images/medium/thermos_cup-seal_MED.jpg

[r-r-redEuro]

i hate the rattle noises coming from my passenger door side. it getting so loud very annoying.

[K24A]

no speakers in the rear doors?

[EUR003act]

repeat function only repeats one song.... you cant set it to repeat a CD :(

[aaronng]

i hate the rattle noises coming from my passenger door side. it getting so loud very annoying.

It's your passenger power window switches... Also the little plastic covers behind the door handle. I've fixed both.

[aaronng]

repeat function only repeats one song.... you cant set it to repeat a CD :(

Use the random function and that repeats the whole CD (but randomly)

[EUR003act]

ill do that on my drive up to sydney today :D

[aaronng]

Have a safe trip! On my next drive up to Sydney, I'll have my MP3s to keep me company. :D

[blackeuro]

not happy with the annoying vibration comming from the drivers side, near the window where the pillar is. everything time i accelerate it seems to get louder. does any1 else have that problem?? its give me the sh#ts

[aaronng]

not happy with the annoying vibration comming from the drivers side, near the window where the pillar is. everything time i accelerate it seems to get louder. does any1 else have that problem?? its give me the sh#ts

Can be the seatbelt height adjuster or the window/doorpanel itself.

For the window, what is do is tap the power windows switch down once, so that the window shifts down but not enough to open a gap. At this position, it is not pressing tightly against the panel and doesn't rattle as bad.

For the height adjuster, I live with it. :(

[r-r-redEuro]

It's your passenger power window switches... Also the little plastic covers behind the door handle. I've fixed both.

hey aaron how did you fix it ? somestimes when im in a agro mood driving and its rattling i just wanna rip that door open. lol

[aaronng]

hey aaron how did you fix it ? somestimes when im in a agro mood driving and its rattling i just wanna rip that door open. lol
Take out the switch panel trim (you'll need to carefully pry it out with your FINGERNAILS and not break it). The screwdriver method described in the service manual can work, just wrap the tip in electrical tape or masking tape and carefully pry the front of the switch trim (there is a small flat hole for the screwdriver). Do it with the door open so you have more space. Unplug the wiring underneath. Jiggle the bottom of the switches and you'll see that it is loose even if you tighten the screws all the way. I just removed the 2 screws, seperated the switch from the trim and then added masking tape to the area on the switch where it touches the trim. It dampens any movement and makes it press tighter against the trim. When you tighten the screws, be careful not to strip the thread. If you do, just put a little supaglue into the screwhole and put the screw back on. Once dry, just plug the wiring back and put the trim/switches back into the door.

For the little plastic covers behind the door latch, use a small flat head screwdriver to release the clip and remove. Don't force it as the cover is very soft. On the inside of the cover, just paste a few small pieces of weatherstrip foam.

[r-r-redEuro]

thanks for that, i might give it a go when i get some free time during this week :thumbsup:

[Euro76]

Euro's chassis could handle more power...more power than JDM spec EuroR. I suppose I can drop NSX 3.2L engine into Euro :D :p

The only thing that I don't like in Euro is the audio player...not supporting MP3 :thumbdwn:

[aaronng]

Euro's chassis could handle more power...more power than JDM spec EuroR. I suppose I can drop NSX 3.2L engine into Euro :D :p

The only thing that I don't like in Euro is the audio player...not supporting MP3 :thumbdwn:

You need this: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75835
I got the one that runs off a thumbdrive.

[DanVR4]

The only things I don't like are the stock 16's, the fogging of the headlights and a slight rattle.

[ShAwNeX]

Heavy steering :thumbdwn:
16's :thumbdwn:
No MP3 :thumbdwn:

[aaronng]

Heavy steering :thumbdwn:

Very light compared to our VZ commodore company car though... Lighter than the Holden Astra too.

[Pumped]

the god damn annoying ticking noise that comes from the passenger b pillar!

WTF is it! ahhhh

[aaronng]

the god damn annoying ticking noise that comes from the passenger b pillar!

WTF is it! ahhhh

LOL, mine comes from the driver's side B pillar. Next to my ear ftl! Probably the spring assembly in the seat belt height adjuster.

[Pumped]

mine seems to sound like its coming from the actual joint in the roof lol fiddling around with the seatbelt adjustment and trying to stop it etc has not helped

ill try and get the dealer to check it out on my next service :(

[aaronng]

mine seems to sound like its coming from the actual joint in the roof lol fiddling around with the seatbelt adjustment and trying to stop it etc has not helped

ill try and get the dealer to check it out on my next service :(

Try pushing the whole roof up. I find that mine tends to sag during warm days because of the clips. There was a TSB on roof liner clips in the US for the TSX.

[EuroAccord13]

Heavy steering

I find the steering a tad too light for my liking, less feedback when I drive...

[tron07]

my steering still rattles... I think the air bag connectors are causing it. SC didnt manage to fix it last time.

[hooyn]

i love my euro.
cant find anything that i dont like about it atm.
i have yet to encounter any rattles inside the cabin or anything like.
:D

[Pumped]

i love my euro.
cant find anything that i dont like about it atm.
i have yet to encounter any rattles inside the cabin or anything like.
:D



:) lucky! :p

[tron07]

Its either luck or that you are not sensitive to the rattles...

My parents couldnt notice what rattles I was talking about on the 5 year old car I have (not the current euro) or the rattles on their 10 year old car.

[akina]

is it me thats weak or what... i find my steering wheel heavy! lol
is something wrong? would the mods be causing it?
another member drove my car as well and he said it was heavier than his euro.

[hooyn]

maybe after sussy mod? or more power ?
just a stab in the dark but im thinking if you have more torque it would be a bit harder to steer since theres more power going into the wheels.
just off the top of my head lol :P

[Crapdaz]

our luxury sedan needs a turbo.

besides that creaking clutch, and window screeching when window down.

[aaronng]

is it me thats weak or what... i find my steering wheel heavy! lol
is something wrong? would the mods be causing it?
another member drove my car as well and he said it was heavier than his euro.

What are your tyre size and pressure? What alignment settings are you using?

[mr747]

i dont like the postion of the sunroof switch

no auto headlights on 03 model
no auto function on windows when you pull the key out of ignition

[Crapdaz]

my steering still rattles... I think the air bag connectors are causing it. SC didnt manage to fix it last time.

Do you have a ETD? just a guess


is it me thats weak or what... i find my steering wheel heavy! lol
is something wrong? would the mods be causing it?
another member drove my car as well and he said it was heavier than his euro.
Tyres and Treads, tyre pressure, suspension dampening setting, as aaron the smart man says alignment too.

Also maybe your mate put a couple of bricks inside the engine bay. joking.

[IVTECS4]

The only thing I hate about the Euro is the drive by wire throttle. Everything else is fine.

I hate the fact that the drive by wire 'hestiates' a bit before it allows you to do what you need to do - ie: overtaking, etc - that's coz I have a heavy right foot lol.

[JunYu]

creaking clutch! it's a new bloody car =/

[tony1234]

The only thing I hate about the Euro is the drive by wire throttle. Everything else is fine.

I hate the fact that the drive by wire 'hestiates' a bit before it allows you to do what you need to do - ie: overtaking, etc - that's coz I have a heavy right foot lol.
Agreed.The only complaint i have is the bloody throttle response in 1st.:thumbdwn:

[_CiVIC_]

everything about it!

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

missing my integra :(

[tron07]

Do you have a ETD? just a guess



Whats ETD?

[aaronng]

Whats ETD?

Engine torque damper.

[Exar Kun]

Well, I've had my car since new - and that's only 4 months. My complaints so far are:

- 1st gear throttle response. Man I hate how jerky it is.
- Sunroof switches. Shouldn't have to hold them down - at the least there should be an extra 'click' like on driver's window so make it go the full distance.
- Speaking of driver's window - why aren't there 'auto' switches for every window? Is this too hard? My 11 year old Audi had them.
- No MP3 standard with the stereo.
- Sunroof mechanicals are too visible for my liking.
- The boot should have gas-lift struts instead of the old style intrusive hinges.
- I've had a couple of rattles eminating from the parcel shelf but they seem to have disappeared since I moved house - to a place with much less bumpy roads.
- I would like a button that isn't on the touch screen to switch the A/C compressor on or off. It's not tactile as it is (aswell as two button presses) and I do it often enough to find it annoying.

Despite all those gripes I do love my car. The gearbox and clutch in particular are miles ahead of my last car and let me heel & toe with abandon!

[Euro76]

16 inch wheel on standard Euro (facelifted model) not only too small but badly designed. 16 inch 5 spoke wheels on pre facelift model looks much better. That "tick" noise coming from driver door fitting that seems to loose. When VTEC kicks from 5800rpm I only have about 1300rpm to play with before it cuts out, should have been more.

[10KRPM]

throttle response is shocking from a standstill.

Trying to merge with traffic and putting the foot down and ....just waiting and waiting for it to get going is a bit of a scare sometimes.

This is an auto mind you .....dont remember my last car (camry) taking so long to wind up.

[Crapdaz]

hydraulic hinges on the hood would have been excellent.

[Psy]

When the 04 Auto Lux changes gears, it kind of has a bunny hop affect, especially coming down in gears.

[aaronng]

When the 04 Auto Lux changes gears, it kind of has a bunny hop affect, especially coming down in gears.

You should change the ATF, especially if it is an 04, eventhough the service schedule says that the ATF change is a long way away.

[viper8548]

hydraulic hinges on the hood would have been excellent.

x2, even my 2000 camry has them

Others include,

No auto open/close sunroof function
Jerky ride at low speed (1st, 2nd gears)
A/C stinks every 5-10mins (recycled air) even thought the car's only 2.5weeks old
Sunroof rubber sealing sqeaks on rough road (easy fix but annoying)
I actually prefer the acelerate pedal's leg to come down from the top like the brake and the clutch, its easier to feel and control. The current one is too soft and hard to tell how much you've pressed.
Headunit/centre air vent and side panels r not perfectly aligned/flushed
Also I sometimes find it hard to put in certian gears for example sometimes 2 to 3 is smooth as silk and someimes its rough??

Apart from those I'm overall very satisfied!

[Suntzu]

Heavy steering :thumbdwn:
16's :thumbdwn:
No MP3 :thumbdwn:

I thought it was too light, now I have tein SS and 18's its even lighter. Maybe an EA falcon would have been a better option for you.

I have the Xcarlink which solves the Mp3 issue. This is better than my 2007 crv lux which has an mp3 3.5mm jack ( no control with steering wheel) or cd-mp3 which is a PITA to burn discs all the time. i prefer the xcarlink any day!

[power_of_dreams]

wtf, steering is pretty damn good IMO

[viper8548]

wtf, steering is pretty damn good IMO

Steering is alright, but its too sensitive to the quality of the road, any road even slightly unleveled properly or small pot holes will send the steering in any direction, pretty dangerous unless you hold the steering wheel tight.

[Bo0o0ost]

I absolutely love my euro but i have a few complaints like most of you do which are pretty similar

1. I just CANNOT come to see Honda's reasing behind allowing you to pull your windows down from you key but you have to have the key in the door for them to go back up. Ever the shitty aftermarket modules that do it for you have sensors that stop the windows is there is any interference, if thats what honda's reasoning was
2. Positioning of the sunroof controls
3. No auto open/close for the sunroof
4. HAVING TO PRESS OK EVERY BLOODY TIME U START THE CAR ON SAT NAV!
Fair enough u need to acknowledge the rules of the system but bloody hell!
5. Floor mats wear away too quickly, mind you mine have already been replaced by the dealer because the car came brand new with worn floor mats :@
6. When you put air con on auto it doesnt show you what the air con is doing (i.e. which vents its comming from, which level, <1-5> or indicated if the aircon is on or not but obveously it is) Not something that i am over fussed about but you would think something sooo simple wouldnt be overlooked by honda of all companies!
7. The door locks get in the way when resting your arm on the door while driving, would have prefered a flush door lock. Adds to security too!
8. Stock height, although my euro was lowered before i picked it up but still looks shocking and i feel for all those stock height euro owners out there!
9. Hydo hindges under the hood would have been spectacular! (Going to do them myself anyway)
10. I dont know if it is just my euro but at time the battery struggles to start the car, mind you the bloody thing may be an o6 model but since i picked her up in February she is always driven regularly (Excercising my right to roadside assistant :D)

AND FINALLY!!

11. Again something else that i just CAN NOT UNDERSTAND IS.....Why in the name of Honda would you produce a vehicle and then sell the top of the range model for $49,000 (Including on roads) which has leather, sat nav, sun roof and every other friken thing Honda through in the luxury spec euros BUT NOT INCLUDE AND AUTO LIGHTS COMPONENT! OMG!!!! My friken shitbox work van Kia Pregio is the biggest peice of junk you can find and it turns the lights off when u leave them on!!!

Ok, i vented. All good now
All i all, absolutely love my euro to death :D

[viper8548]

1. I just CANNOT come to see Honda's reasing behind allowing you to pull your windows down from you key but you have to have the key in the door for them to go back up. Ever the shitty aftermarket modules that do it for you have sensors that stop the windows is there is any interference, if thats what honda's reasoning was


I totally agree, i think becuase of that I wont even be using it



6. When you put air con on auto it doesnt show you what the air con is doing (i.e. which vents its comming from, which level, <1-5> or indicated if the aircon is on or not but obveously it is) Not something that i am over fussed about but you would think something sooo simple wouldnt be overlooked by honda of all companies!

I think the manual says that it comes out of all the vents, include rear ones under the front seats.



10. I dont know if it is just my euro but at time the battery struggles to start the car, mind you the bloody thing may be an o6 model but since i picked her up in February she is always driven regularly (Excercising my right to roadside assistant :D)

I have the same problem!



AND FINALLY!!

11. Again something else that i just CAN NOT UNDERSTAND IS.....Why in the name of Honda would you produce a vehicle and then sell the top of the range model for $49,000 (Including on roads) which has leather, sat nav, sun roof and every other friken thing Honda through in the luxury spec euros BUT NOT INCLUDE AND AUTO LIGHTS COMPONENT! OMG!!!! My friken shitbox work van Kia Pregio is the biggest peice of junk you can find and it turns the lights off when u leave them on!!!

The TSX had auto headlights, along with bluetooth hands free and memory seats

OH YEAH

Another thing I dont like is that only the driver have heat seats on the back, the passenger only has heated bottom :thumbdwn: I dont even use the heatseats but my gf would love it to death, wonder if i can swap the seats :cool:

[Bo0o0ost]

Another thing I dont like is that only the driver have heat seats on the back, the passenger only has heated bottom :thumbdwn: I dont even use the heatseats but my gf would love it to death, wonder if i can swap the seats :cool:


Apparently they only have them in the bottom due to the SRS Airbags positioning in the passangers seat.

Correct me if im wrong but the little asian guy at the dealership who walked me through my euro wasnt the most convincing

[aaronng]

Apparently they only have them in the bottom due to the SRS Airbags positioning in the passangers seat.

Correct me if im wrong but the little asian guy at the dealership who walked me through my euro wasnt the most convincing

Driver's seat has the airbag in the same position as in the passenger's seat though. I'd say it was to reduce costs. Check if the TSX has back heaters in the passenger seat. :)

[DanVR4]

I'm pretty sure the manual mentions that the passenger seat is only bottom heated because of the airbags

[aaronng]

Then why is the driver's back heated eventhough it has airbags as well? I reckon it is cost cutting.

[Crapdaz]

Then why is the driver's back heated eventhough it has airbags as well? I reckon it is cost cutting.
dodgy.

[Bo0o0ost]

Maybe it has something to do with deploying the airbags in the event of a crash
Who knows?

[aaronng]

Maybe it has something to do with deploying the airbags in the event of a crash
Who knows?
Check the TSX forums. See if they have heated passenger backs. If they do, then it is a cost cutting measure to leave them out for the Euro. Just like how they left out auto lights, memory seats, bluetooth and the extra 2 speakers in the rear doors.

[_CiVIC_]

everything...

[Bo0o0ost]

Check the TSX forums. See if they have heated passenger backs. If they do, then it is a cost cutting measure to leave them out for the Euro. Just like how they left out auto lights, memory seats, bluetooth and the extra 2 speakers in the rear doors.


For my own satisfaction, i hope it wasnt for cost cutting GRRR!!!

[EUR003act]

For my own satisfaction, i hope it wasnt for cost cutting GRRR!!!

passenger seat does not have heated seat back due to OPDS (occupant position detection system) so that if small adult/child rest on side off seat it deactivates the side airbag

[viper8548]

passenger seat does not have heated seat back due to OPDS (occupant position detection system) so that if small adult/child rest on side off seat it deactivates the side airbag

I'd rather have heated back :(, btw how did you know this?

[EUR003act]

I'd rather have heated back :(, btw how did you know this?

all hondas with side passenger airbags have it (as far as im aware)... u can test it out while your driving, get your passenger to lean against the window side of their seat (as if they were sleeping), if they are a large child or adult, you'll have to get them to slump down in the seat so the car thinks theyre smaller... have them do that for awhile, and within 10-20secs youll see the SIDE AIRBAG OFF light illuminate on the dash :D

i researched it when i was looking into swapping the seats from an acura rsx into the euro...

illustration of the OPDS:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Euro-OPDS.jpg

alternatively if you want heated passenger seat back, you can buy the drivers seat from an acura tsx and chuck that in... :D easy

[EuroBro]

Climate control cooks ya feet in winter

No Auto-Up for passenger window

No AUX input

[IVTECS4]

Apart from the drive by wire throttle, the other thing I dislike is that 'lock' which stops the steering wheel from moving and is need to allow you to crank the engine.

Man, there were times that bloody thing got in the way and just wouldn't let me crank the engine and suddenly cut off and when the engine would cough then start. It was fixed when I took the car to service one time... now it is no where near intrusive. So it's all good.

And another thing I might add is the brakes... while i find them very powerful and things (could get some improvements) - The brakes squeal when I apply them like just wondering around at low speeds around say shopping centre carpark etc... meh...

[richard_k]

Well, I've had my car since new - and that's only 4 months. My complaints so far are:

- 1st gear throttle response. Man I hate how jerky it is.
- Sunroof switches. Shouldn't have to hold them down - at the least there should be an extra 'click' like on driver's window so make it go the full distance.
- Speaking of driver's window - why aren't there 'auto' switches for every window? Is this too hard? My 11 year old Audi had them.
- No MP3 standard with the stereo.
- Sunroof mechanicals are too visible for my liking.
- The boot should have gas-lift struts instead of the old style intrusive hinges.
- I've had a couple of rattles eminating from the parcel shelf but they seem to have disappeared since I moved house - to a place with much less bumpy roads.
- I would like a button that isn't on the touch screen to switch the A/C compressor on or off. It's not tactile as it is (aswell as two button presses) and I do it often enough to find it annoying.

Despite all those gripes I do love my car. The gearbox and clutch in particular are miles ahead of my last car and let me heel & toe with abandon!

Totally agree with the auto windows...I was in an 11 year holden astra with auto down for all windows LOL
And where is the trip computer on the 03-05 models? Late 90's base model falcons have them geez

[MR_LATE]

was that a 2 door astra?

[dee-y]

Whoa thread revival

[richard_k]

was that a 2 door astra?

4 door champ

[MR_LATE]

so do we starting posting what we hate about euros?

[antony]

Nothing to hate,I just LOVE LOVE LOVE mine.

[marquee]

Can't see my boot when reversing mugen spoiler for me

[MR_LATE]

Can't see my boot when reversing mugen spoiler for me

dont think anyone can unless u got a cam viewing ur boot...

[marquee]

Yer but a spoiler makes it easier to judge when reversing I mis my hatch

[praja6]

My Cu2 doesnt have spoiler, but i mostly having difficulties when i reverse as the rear deck is high and reverse camera should be standard on all EUro models, not only in Sat nav version. Apart from that i love my euro

[natnat]

i never have any issues reversing my CU2.... oh yeh, it's the overpriced SatNav model :p

[buddah51au]

What do I hate about my MY08 CU2 ...... enough to update to a MY12 .... lol. No issues reversing for me.

[marquee]

Dont all cu2 hav reversing sensors

[xanctus]

I what I don't like from our Euro is that they are not as luxurious as their twin brother Acura TSX in terms of quality stuffs inside. (No illumination lights for centre console)
HID is not standard
and all other luxurious thing as an option
and also, the fact it's not any different from the siblings V6 accord.

[buddah51au]

Dont all cu2 hav reversing sensors

Optional on base model, standard on Lux model

[Fredoops]

What I hate about the euro.... Lets see

Stock 16x6 rims...
Power/torque hole between 5000-5500 rpm.
High vtec engagement point... Only 900rpm before redline.
Hot/highly stressed Auto tranny

[armstrong]

i hate the fact that there is no rear screen wiper to wipe off the frost. and the rear defroster takes forever!!

[Smogol]

I'd have to agree, no rear wipers, is a bitch. Also anyone here find the rear seats are a bit small and cramped? Used to own a corolla hatch and for some reason it had heaps more room in the back seats.

[armstrong]

I'd have to agree, no rear wipers, is a bitch. Also anyone here find the rear seats are a bit small and cramped? Used to own a corolla hatch and for some reason it had heaps more room in the back seats.

i just upgraded from a old 96 corolla hatchback as well :P
Its because the seats are flat in the corolla, and dont hug you when sitting in the seat like a euro for those sharp bends.
Plus the rear seats are positioned further back when opening the doors in the corolla compared to the euros.

But you gotta admit for long road trips the euro seats are much more comfortable.

[alfS14]

I love almost everything about the euro, handling is spot on, the car is extremely well made, easy to cruise in, has all the creature comforts and good looks:)

But I'm not liking the power and power delivery! Coming from a modded S14 200sx is kinda painful:(

[I CU2]

I hate the fact that the seats can warm my ass but can't scratch them.

[Lazarus]

I hate the fact that the seats can warm my ass but can't scratch them.

I second this notion!

[denot]

I hate the pricing and the standard equipment for the price... imagine if you can get all the gadgets (like the one you get on KIA Optima - reverse cam, pano roof, etc) for the standard price... :thumbsup:

[raffyboy]

hate it because I sold mine - that's all :-)

[Fredoops]

I hate the pricing and the standard equipment for the price... imagine if you can get all the gadgets (like the one you get on KIA Optima - reverse cam, pano roof, etc) for the standard price... :thumbsup:

I'm waiting for te optima turbo lol... If they sell that at the same price as euro lux they have a winner

[natnat]

I'm waiting for te optima turbo lol... If they sell that at the same price as euro lux they have a winner

that'd be like comparing kumho to bridgestone tyres.. korea vs japan

[Fredoops]

that'd be like comparing kumho to bridgestone tyres.. korea vs japan

And Japan just happens to be in a coma for 10 years..

Remove the badge and put the 2 together. The only thing euro would be better is that is avail in manual and it's got better tyres.

[natnat]

bulgogi vs beef teriyaki... :p

[denot]

bridges made in japan? my mate got one it says made in Thais... oh hang on, thats a civic not bridges :p

[natnat]

bridges made in japan? my mate got one it says made in Thais... oh hang on, thats a civic not bridges :p

these big tyre companies (Bridgy, Michy & Co) have factories all over the world (cheaper labour a big factor)...

but, the origin of Bridgestone is Japan, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgestone

[I CU2]

I love the Japan.

[Fredoops]

The problem with Kia optima at the moment is....


You can't get one... It's looking at having with 3 engine types.
Direct injection petrol. 140kw
R-series turbo diesel. 132kw (in development... more power than the Honda diesel in the euro)
Turbo direct injection petrol. 204kw

Australia only has 1000 this year and its not improving since the factory can't keep up with demands from North America...


Oh the best thing with optima... An auto tranny with a planatory gearset... Means it won't shite itself like the honda-matic

[marquee]

They guy from the cars guide said ford/kia do not even have enough diesel engines for demand. Which sucks for people waiting on the new Ford Territory Diesel

[denot]

The problem with Kia optima at the moment is....


You can't get one... It's looking at having with 3 engine types.
Direct injection petrol. 140kw
R-series turbo diesel. 132kw (in development... more power than the Honda diesel in the euro)
Turbo direct injection petrol. 204kw

Australia only has 1000 this year and its not improving since the factory can't keep up with demands from North America...


Oh the best thing with optima... An auto tranny with a planatory gearset... Means it won't shite itself like the honda-matic

Turbos & diesels wont come to Australia (confirmed) Hybrid maybe end of next year...

regarding the tranny, you cant change the oil at all on optima (confirmed by KIA mechanic/service dept) so if anything happened to it you'll need to replace the whole thing...

As much as I tempted to buy the optima, if Euro comes with the same specs and even a bit higher price, I'll go with Euro :p

[Fredoops]

Turbos & diesels wont come to Australia (confirmed) Hybrid maybe end of next year...

regarding the tranny, you cant change the oil at all on optima (confirmed by KIA mechanic/service dept) so if anything happened to it you'll need to replace the whole thing...

As much as I tempted to buy the optima, if Euro comes with the same specs and even a bit higher price, I'll go with Euro :p
You CAN change the tranny fluid, damn it how many times do I have to tell people that lol.. I'll find the instructions for you and upload to the site.

Tell the damn dealer to read their manual again.


Edit, got it

DESCRIPTION:
The 2010 Tucson, 2010 Santa Fe and 2011 Sonata utilize a new electronically controlled 6-speed automatic transmission.

The ATF level can be checked by the following procedure:

NOTE: Use only ATF meeting the SP-IV specification approved by Hyundai.

DO NOT use SP-III or other ATF which may result in degradation of shift
quality or transaxle durability.

Hyundai SPH-IV SP-IV Automatic Transmission Fluid 00232-19045

ATF LEVEL INSPECTION:
1. If the ATF has been completely drained, add approximately 5 quarts of SPH-IV ATF.

2. Attach a GDS and select vehicle and “A/T” menu, Current Data and “Oil Temperature Sensor”.

3. Drive the vehicle until the fluid temperature is at the low end of the range of
122~140°F (50~60°C).

4. Step on the brake and then shift into “R”, “N” and “D” and back, pausing 2~3 seconds in each range. Repeat
two times.

5. Move the shift lever to P, leave the engine running and lift the vehicle on a hoist.

6. Remove the splash shield under the transmission.

7. Remove the oil level plug. The oil level is correct if ATF flows out in a thin oil stream. If no oil flow occurs,
go to Step 8.

8. If no oil flow occurs, add SPH-IV ATF through the oil level hole until oil flows out in a thin oil stream.

NOTE: Use a suction gun or equivalent to add ATF. A suction gun is available from:

• Snap-On Tools - YA745A
• MAC Tools - GS19HD

9. Reinstall the overflow plug and torque to specification. Torque: 25~32 lb-ft (3.5~4.5 kgf.m)

ALTERNATE ATF FILL PROCEDURE:

10. If a suction gun or equivalent is not available, locate the vent eyebolt on top of the transmission oil pan near
the battery.

11. Remove the eyebolt and add ATF through the hole. Reinstall the eyebolt and torque to specification.
Torque: 25~29 lb-ft (4.0~4.5 kgf.m)

[denot]

^^^ really show us that the low number of Optima here caused them confusion as well

[Fredoops]

^^^ really show us that the low number of Optima here caused them confusion as well

It says on their f&&king service manual auto fluid should be changed in 50k under severe driving conditions.

Don't no body read that shit no more? :-p

Also, the standard of fluid Kia use (SPH-IV, or SP-IV). Make the ATF-z1 we use and the dexen III that ford/holden look like sewer water.

Ita like comparing castrol GTX with Motul 300V... There is no comparison.

[I CU2]

Hold up......there is fluid in the transmission........?

[shmivic]

As per original topic

I hate my euro,

the thing whines, hisses, takes two kinds of fuel and exhaust smells like shit all the time........

[cl9ftw]

i dnt like the fwd lmao

[buddah51au]

I test drove the new Optima last Monday - 62kms, in my opinion it is not in the class of the series 1 CU2, so I have ordered an MY12 CU2. Sure Kia has improved out of sight, but it is still not up with the Euro or 6. (my opinion)

[Fredoops]

As per original topic

I hate my euro,

the thing whines, hisses, takes two kinds of fuel and exhaust smells like shit all the time........

poor tune?

[shmivic]

Lol na,

Let me break it down like this;

Whines all the time (supercharger)
Hisses (toda race header)
Two kinds of fuel (pump 98 + water/methanol)
Smelly exhaust (toad test pipe)

Sarcasm was intended lol!

[marquee]

I think you need to update your thread if there is a whirling sound

[Fredoops]

Lol. I was thinking Hiss usually means a leaking flex pipe on the header!

And with the 98+water.. Lol can't you just use 98oct ethanol + octane booster instead, it's got 1% water content iirc

[natnat]

I'm waiting for te optima turbo lol... If they sell that at the same price as euro lux they have a winner

Kia = Inala, Honda = Sunnybank, Ferrari = Newfarm?

or

Kia = Macquarie Fields, Honda = Chatswood, Ferrari = Point Piper?

[denot]

^^^^ I dont get it...

[natnat]

^^^^ I dont get it...

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=54649&IsPgd=0

"....... Mosman is the number one postcode for a host of expensive imported brands, from Audi and BMW to Range Rover, Mercedes and Volvo.

In fact, the suburb has three times as many Porsches as it has Kias. In the rest of Australia, Kia outsells the German brand by 13 to one......"

[shmivic]

And with the 98+water.. Lol can't you just use 98oct ethanol + octane booster instead, it's got 1% water content iirc

Pump 98 goes in the fuel tank, water/methanol goes into 4L boot mount reservoir.

[chuboy]

No power in the low end! I can actually feel the sudden increase in torque crossing 3k RPM...
Head unit has the dodgiest random track function ever... it consistently picks the same three tracks over and over lol.
Lots of effort to tune.
Fuel economy nothing to write home about if you drive in the city.

[Type R Positive]

What do I really hate about my CU2?
1: The weight of the car. It's a lot stiffer (lol) and handles better than my old CL9, but I just wish it was the same weight!
2: The size of the car. No longer is this a medium sedan which I like, it's bigger in size than a falcodore! Parking can be a PITA because of it. It's easier to park my Prado lol!
3: Throttle response. It's put your foot down, wait 2 seconds, then it responds. Why is it so? My Prado has instant throttle response FFS!!!

What I love about the CU2?
The fuel economy! The price! The quality! The standard features on the base model! It's only a few $k more than the civic, but shits all over it quality and features wise. It's the perfect run around car. Even better now at $30k drive away!

[mocchi]

i think that's the problem with DBW. saw lotsa complaints in US.

[MR_LATE]

i think that's the problem with DBW. saw lotsa complaints in US.

i know its a mod but would a sprint booster / e-throttle controller fix that problem??

[Fredoops]

Or a Hondata reflash

[buddah51au]

What do I really hate about my CU2?
1: The weight of the car. It's a lot stiffer (lol) and handles better than my old CL9, but I just wish it was the same weight!
2: The size of the car. No longer is this a medium sedan which I like, it's bigger in size than a falcodore! Parking can be a PITA because of it. It's easier to park my Prado lol!
3: Throttle response. It's put your foot down, wait 2 seconds, then it responds. Why is it so? My Prado has instant throttle response FFS!!!

What I love about the CU2?
The fuel economy! The price! The quality! The standard features on the base model! It's only a few $k more than the civic, but shits all over it quality and features wise. It's the perfect run around car. Even better now at $30k drive away!

Just use it as a run around mate, you now have the perfect performance car ...... until you get your Porsche ..... lol

[Golf_R]

...no keyless go
Sterrung wheel is big ..


The cu2 is heavier than the cl9 ... .. ButI don't think they are heavy...
Perhaps they are just not fast enough .... Underpower...
The euro needs a turbo ...Or another 50 horse power

[I CU2]

I thought the steering wheel was pretty small in comparison to a Camry...

[Fredoops]

...no keyless go
Sterrung wheel is big ..


The cu2 is heavier than the cl9 ... .. ButI don't think they are heavy...
Perhaps they are just not fast enough .... Underpower...
The euro needs a turbo ...Or another 50 horse power

it doesnt need 50 horse, it just need more torque at lower RPM's

[natnat]

it needs 400nm of torque from 2000rpm to make it fun...

sports cars come with smaller steering wheels.. so Euro is sportier than Camry.. although having a flat bottomed steering wheel is more fun :p

CU2 is a comfy run around and you can park in most shopping centers without the fear of some loosers keying your car (i've seen a WRX keyed on both sides of the car front to back! my friend's GTI got poured Boost juice drink on its roof! etc.. etc... )

[HunterZero]

The thing I hate about the Euro... The paint. It's very soft and easily damaged. It's so soft and sticky that polishing it properly without just creating more scratches and holograms is very difficult. You have to be super careful when washing the car.

- HZ

[Type R Positive]

The thing I hate about the Euro... The paint. It's very soft and easily damaged. It's so soft and sticky that polishing it properly without just creating more scratches and holograms is very difficult. You have to be super careful when washing the car.

- HZI take it you got black? Renowned problem for this colour in particular. The clear coated ones are better, but are still on the soft side, and still get a bit sticky.

[Type R Positive]

...no keyless go
Sterrung wheel is big ..


The cu2 is heavier than the cl9 ... .. ButI don't think they are heavy...
Perhaps they are just not fast enough .... Underpower...
The euro needs a turbo ...Or another 50 horse power
Steering wheel is tiny man!
Yep, +50hp would be nice! I would say the V6 just like USA got, but it just adds more weight.....

[Type R Positive]

Just use it as a run around mate, you now have the perfect performance car ...... until you get your Porsche ..... lolHaha! I actually got to drive it today! I want a Porsche Cayenne, but they cost too much lol! Not a fan at all of the 911's. Wouldn't say no to one though!!!

[HunterZero]

I take it you got black? Renowned problem for this colour in particular. The clear coated ones are better, but are still on the soft side, and still get a bit sticky.

Yup, I have a well-kept Nighthawk Black. But it's not just nighthawk black that has the problem.

All Euros have the same clearcoat, and it's this sticky soft clear coat that's the problem. Scratches and marks show up a lot more on the darker colours - black being the worst, swirls, marks and scratches are far more visible. Graphite, cobalt blue, mocha and solid red all suffer (with red having the double whammy of turning pink with prolonged UV exposure). White and silver are just as succeptible to marring, but it isn't as visible as it is on the darker colours.

- HZ

[Fredoops]

Haha! I actually got to drive it today! I want a Porsche Cayenne, but they cost too much lol! Not a fan at all of the 911's. Wouldn't say no to one though!!!

Cayenne?!?! you must be the only one. lol

[Fredoops]

No mate, just a 911S with PDK.

As long as it's not a Cayenne or Panamera

[buddah51au]

Haha! I actually got to drive it today! I want a Porsche Cayenne, but they cost too much lol! Not a fan at all of the 911's. Wouldn't say no to one though!!!

No mate, a 911S with PDK

[Golf_R]

the sound comes from engine is just brillant to me....
i just wanna go faster and faster..when i hear it
the grip for its speed is excellent
i alway find my self enjoying driving at wet weather...like cornering at 60km( not a 90 degree one) ....so exciting~.~ ( im a slower dirver, i never go beyond 120km/h)

may be its just me=.=....Steering is big to me....i like the look thu....cos my uncle's new A8's steering wheel is so small.....

yeah, more torque at low speed...euro is just really slow off the line.....i wonder, anycar on earth could beat it off the line.
but well its a honda iVtec...even my friends DC5 type R...the rear seats are taken off...it still feel slow off the line..but when it get passed 3500 rpm...
OMG @#$^@$%@#$^$% ..........

[marquee]

I got beaten by an old camry driven by an old man changing at 3k to prove a point to my mate as to why I need to do more mods

[Fredoops]

I got beaten by an old camry driven by an old man changing at 3k to prove a point to my mate as to why I need to do more mods

Nothing happens below 3500-4000 rpm from our k24, you should know better lol

Your injen probably made it worse if anything, and the dbw on top Of that.

[marquee]

Yer I knew... he didn't though.

[chuboy]

Is anyone else annoyed by the A-pillar blind spot on the CL9? I can't work out if it's my seating position not quite right or what but several times I will approach a T-junction or roundabout and not see a car coming from either direction until it is passing in front of me. It's starting to bother me =/

[marquee]

Never had that problem.

[Lazarus]

Is anyone else annoyed by the A-pillar blind spot on the CL9? I can't work out if it's my seating position not quite right or what but several times I will approach a T-junction or roundabout and not see a car coming from either direction until it is passing in front of me. It's starting to bother me =/

Might be seating. try a different position that's comfortable and give it a whirl~

[Lazarus]

I hate the constant engine braking downhill @ 50km/h.
But..it also might be fuel filter clogging or something idk.

[ryaan]

Is anyone else annoyed by the A-pillar blind spot on the CL9? I can't work out if it's my seating position not quite right or what but several times I will approach a T-junction or roundabout and not see a car coming from either direction until it is passing in front of me. It's starting to bother me =/

yes.. i dont know.. maybe the A pillars too big?
i nearly rammed into some car when i was turning right on a t junction... i thought no one was there :S

[I CU2]

i nearly rammed into some car when i was turning right on a t junction... i thought no one was there :S

beep beep

[HunterZero]

yes.. i dont know.. maybe the A pillars too big?

Yes, the A pillars are very chunky, I think because they contain the curtain airbags? I had the same problem at first coming from my previous car before I got used to them.

The sills of the windows are very high too, which make it more difficult to see some low objects near the car.

- HZ

[SPQR]

Is anyone else annoyed by the A-pillar blind spot on the CL9? I can't work out if it's my seating position not quite right or what but several times I will approach a T-junction or roundabout and not see a car coming from either direction until it is passing in front of me. It's starting to bother me =/

Yep. Lots of near misses. Scary at times. Combination of the car's own motion relative to other cars and the A pillar can blot out a whole car.

it's not always the drivers' fault as cars have design flaws. Unfortunately the courts always pin it on the driver and not the car.

[SPQR]

Might be seating. try a different position that's comfortable and give it a whirl~

Seat is all the way back and then I only just fit. Euros could do with more rearward seat travel. There is definitely a serious blind-spot issue with the CL9 A-pillars.

[marquee]

I'm 6"2 and can barely reach the clutch you must be a giant if the seat is all the way back

[adhunt99]

Yep. Lots of near misses. Scary at times. Combination of the car's own motion relative to other cars and the A pillar can blot out a whole car.

it's not always the drivers' fault as cars have design flaws. Unfortunately the courts always pin it on the driver and not the car.

Yeah the vision's awful, probably the worst car for it i've ever driven.

[denot]

Yeah the vision's awful, probably the worst car for it i've ever driven.

Have you try driving a Civic?

[buddah51au]

I second that Denot

[Fredoops]

Have you try driving a Civic?

or any Honda if you're over 170cm tall..... the new Jazz is even worse.

[denot]

or any Honda if you're over 170cm tall..... the new Jazz is even worse.

I'm 182 and I'm fine with the CU2

[chuboy]

Glad I'm not the only one. Could it be the seat height?

[marquee]

I'm 185 and mines fine try moving your seat forward more you don't need it all the way back

[CU2 Euro 09]

I'm 6'3" and haven't found the A Pillar an issue. Seats all the way back. Too bad for the rear passenger as they get no leg room. Rear visibility isn't that great though.

[SPQR]

Seat is all the way back and then I only just fit. Euros could do with more rearward seat travel. There is definitely a serious blind-spot issue with the CL9 A-pillars.


I'm 6"2 and can barely reach the clutch you must be a giant if the seat is all the way back

My CL9 is an auto and so I have no need to extend left foot to the firewall. I might be a giant but all Honda cars have insufficient rearward travel on the front seats. Sit in a falcodorion or most European cars and you'll find decent rearward travel. The Falcon has very poor steering wheel height adjustment.

The problem with Honda cars lacking rearward adjustment means that my right foot is always at an uncomforable angle (unless at full throttle!). My left knee is alway bent hard up against the centre console.

Remember that this is a 'what do you hate' thread.

[luvmyeuro]

I store my garage remote in the Drivers Coin Storage Pocket on the lower right part of the Dash and I always forget to close it's hatch and knock my knee on it as I get out of the car. I have a continuous bruise on my knee because of it. I remember reading somewhere in crash testing that the CU2 has a high propensity for driver lower leg injury. I'm about 175 cm's tall and have the seat set at around mid range and my right knee seem very close to the right side of the lower dash and I can see how a leg could be badly injured in a high impact crash. I know I could put the seat back further but it doesn't feel right when I do. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just me and I might need to spend more time at adjusting the seat properly.

[MR_LATE]

yeah ive cut my knee cus i forget to close that too. the lancer has knee airbags which i would like to have in a euro just for peace of mind

[DEIFIC]

definitely no cupholders besides that middle thingy and the braking when going down hill....and lack of power haha

[marquee]

definitely no cupholders besides that middle thingy and the braking when going down hill....and lack of power haha

Theres cup holders in the rear middle seat armrest

[DEIFIC]

Theres cup holders in the rear middle seat armrest

what if theres 3 people in my back seat? lol

[MR_LATE]

what if theres 3 people in my back seat? lol

no drinks or food in the fiero!!

[Fredoops]

no drinks or food in the fiero!!
Why not? Food/Drink and Sex... You must be able to do those things in a car else you'd better off with a bike.

[DEIFIC]

Why not? Food/Drink and Sex... You must be able to do those things in a car else you'd better off with a bike.
amen brother!!

[eurogo]

i have an 05 euro, cup holders are in the middle behind the gear stick, the little flap that can close, on the underside of that flap theres a flat button that you push, it folds down a curved partition, cup holders

[MR_LATE]

i have an 05 euro, cup holders are in the middle behind the gear stick, the little flap that can close, on the underside of that flap theres a flat button that you push, it folds down a curved partition, cup holders

hehehe i love that thing,, 'push'

but he is talking about back seat people hold drinks having sex.,

[marquee]

If you having sex in the backseats use the front ones if you need more then two drinks then your with more then one person... Drinks will be the last thing on your mind

[Fredoops]

If you having sex in the backseats use the front ones if you need more then two drinks then your with more then one person... Drinks will be the last thing on your mind

Having trouble making sense of everything before the "..." can we have some commas in that? lol

[denrie]

there is a button inside that splits into 2

[MR_LATE]

there is a button inside that splits into 2
question or a statement?

[[SDCTVE]]

the fact that u can open all the windows with the remote but cant close them, and it would be nice if u can open and close the sunroof too

[DA9-47]

the fact that i dont own 1

[marquee]

;3105882']the fact that u can open all the windows with the remote but cant close them, and it would be nice if u can open and close the sunroof too

How do u do that or is that just the shmancy lux models

[MR_LATE]

How do u do that or is that just the shmancy lux models
press and hold the open button on your remote and see what happens

[denot]

Why not? Food/Drink and Sex... You must be able to do those things in a car else you'd better off with a bike.

What do I hate about the euro... NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE SEX!!!! I go with Hyundai IMAX for that lol!

[marquee]

press and hold the open button on your remote and see what happens

What the **** that is amazing

[MingZai]

lmao didn't you know that? and when you put your key inside the door lock area turn it right twice and hold it and all the windows and sunroof closes

[Lazarus]

lmao didn't you know that? and when you put your key inside the door lock area turn it right twice and hold it and all the windows and sunroof closes

So there is a way to close em?!?!?!!??!?!!??!!

[ryaan]

So there is a way to close em?!?!?!!??!?!!??!!


yea you can but you cant do it through the remote like the winding down of the windows :(

[DEIFIC]

yea you can but you cant do it through the remote like the winding down of the windows :(

and thats what sucks haha.

[marquee]

I now love my euro again

[Lazarus]

yea you can but you cant do it through the remote like the winding down of the windows :(

Still this is news to me!
/excited

[MR_LATE]

yeah this is news to me too!!...wow

[[SDCTVE]]

lmao didn't you know that? and when you put your key inside the door lock area turn it right twice and hold it and all the windows and sunroof closes

no not the sunroof, unless there is something wrong with my car :( so does anyone know if you can open AND close the windows/sunroof via the remote for the CU2 ??

[CU2 Euro 09]

the dealer showed me a MY10 model that does. The earlier CU2's don't.

[Type R Positive]

I hate driving my Euro after driving the Lex. The Euro feels like a piece of shit.... :(

[praja6]

I hate driving my Euro after driving the Lex. The Euro feels like a piece of shit.... :(

Which Lexus?

[praja6]

;3106571']no not the sunroof, unless there is something wrong with my car :( so does anyone know if you can open AND close the windows/sunroof via the remote for the CU2 ??

Yeap. Mine is standard EUro, you can open the windows and close it by the remote

[buddah51au]

I hate driving my Euro after driving the Lex. The Euro feels like a piece of shit.... :(

Be fair Matt, hell you could have 3 CU2's for the cost of your ISF, with change left over

[Fredoops]

Be fair Matt, hell you could have 3 CU2's for the cost of your ISF, with change left over

dont need an ISF, an IS350 would be sufficient

[Type R Positive]

Be fair Matt, hell you could have 3 CU2's for the cost of your ISF, with change left over:eek:

The euro truly is a bargain for what it is at the price it is. :thumbsup:

[I CU2]

I hate driving my Euro after driving the Lex. The Euro feels like a piece of shit.... :(

Same after driving my Prius.

[Type R Positive]

dont need an ISF, an IS350 would be sufficient
Pffft. That would be like buying a Ralliart with the Evo sitting right there. Or a Golf GTI with the Golf R sitting right there.
Something you just don't do.....

[Type R Positive]

which lexus?is f!

[Fredoops]

Pffft. That would be like buying a Ralliart with the Evo sitting right there. Or a Golf GTI with the Golf R sitting right there.
Something you just don't do.....

Why would you want a Golf R... it's a GTi in drag with an extra shaft up the ass.

It's like buying a BMW thats FWD. or Porsche SUV...

[MR_LATE]

is f!
unrelated. saw an isf with the plates IS FAST. 2 in 1 plate :D

[jzx_andy]

LOL at people saying the IS-F is as unecessary to the IS350 as the Golf R is to the GTI... get a clue -.-... might aswell downgrade from a euro to a honda jazz using that logic

[Type R Positive]

Why would you want a Golf R... it's a GTi in drag with an extra shaft up the ass.

It's like buying a BMW thats FWD. or Porsche SUV...I love it how you over simplify everything.
And the Evo is just a lancer with a turbo! :rolleyes:

[Type R Positive]

LOL at people saying the IS-F is as unecessary to the IS350 as the Golf R is to the GTI... get a clue -.-... might aswell downgrade from a euro to a honda jazz using that logicSkip the Jazz, I hear Chery make a great car! :cool:

[Type R Positive]

unrelated. saw an isf with the plates IS FAST. 2 in 1 plate :D
I'd be worried with a 'hero' plate like that lol! They do go hard though!