Ozhonda Post Quality System / Knowledgable Posts

[Q_ball]

my question is, if the user doesnt leave a comment, and is a newbie, how do we know whether theyve left + or - rep?

You dont know hehe,
Doenst really matter anyways, doesnt count either way :)

[wynode]

^ Further to the above........if the little box is grey......you won't know!


thanks :)
when they get enough points themselves to be able to give red/green, will it change, or is it only from that point on?

It's only from that point onwards.

[yourfather]

I have one that is a gray box but I bet it's a red one

[yourfather]

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7813/ahahahaxi6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Q_ball]

^Respect :)

[wynode]

I have one that is a gray box but I bet it's a red one
If it's grey it's grey......if it's red it's red.......quite simple really :)

Just a reminder for everyone to let us know if someone abuses the PQ points system. We take it seriously and you only have to abuse it twice in a 6 month period to get a short ban.

[yourfather]

respect ^^^

[Bludger]

rep points are overated

[furiouswilly]

good system, avoid spam

[dupac->]

If i give someone a PQ point and im under 50 PQ points myself, the box for them is GREY and they dont receive any points.

But later if i exceed 50 PQ points therefor enabling me to actually hand out points.. do the ppl i gave a point to earlier receive a point? does their box turn GREEN?

or it only counts when im 50 PQ points or more?

[Mr_will]

when you get to 50, all points you give AFTER that time have effect.

it doesnt change points you have given out in the past.

[dupac->]

cheers big ears!

[dupac->]

Drew gave me rep point.. and now its gone..

just wondering how does that work?

[wynode]

Please explain a bit more what u mean

[dupac->]

Drew gave me Rep Points the other day.. and then i was on 67 points. and now im back to 50 points?

[Mr_will]

maybe you got some neg rep?

[dupac->]

wouldn't it show on the "latest reputation received"? as a red block? in User CP

[JDM.Power]

yes, it should show in the "latest reputation received" as a red block.

[dupac->]

^^ if that's the case. it still doesnt explain why i lost the points?

doesnt show any neg rep points?

please explain modders! im not fussed over it.. just need explaination!
lol

[Bludger]

read post 264, don't stress over it

[dupac->]

read post 264, don't stress over it


i agree with you there..

but i just want an explanation..

hahaha

if they're gonna do it should be done right with an explanation..

haha but yeah..

[wynode]

Drew gave me Rep Points the other day.. and then i was on 67 points. and now im back to 50 points?

When did you lose the points? I'll have a look and see if anyone deleted any points. But if we found that points were given when they shouldn't have been, expect them to be deleted and the offender notified.

-Win

[bennjamin]

possible that they were removed , been given out by someone for a unnecessary reason ( IE in the lounge ). Chances are Ive removed quite a few and only dished out warnings for singular items etc. Dont worry guys im back into giving out infractions for misuse of PQ system -

so remember to use the PQ system in the right situation :)

[dupac->]

When did you lose the points? I'll have a look and see if anyone deleted any points. But if we found that points were given when they shouldn't have been, expect them to be deleted and the offender notified.

-Win i don't remember when, dw about it.. no big deal just wanted to know why.


possible that they were removed , been given out by someone for a unnecessary reason ( IE in the lounge ). Chances are Ive removed quite a few and only dished out warnings for singular items etc. Dont worry guys im back into giving out infractions for misuse of PQ system -

so remember to use the PQ system in the right situation :) narh it the points was given in technical area not the lounge. forget which section though. all good though.. dw about it thanks! :thumbsup:

[bennjamin]

What exact posts were they for ? Do u recall?
if anything else just post here dude :)

[wynode]

Updated "When/where to give PQ points?" in the first post.

[Nikki]

if you start posting in the tech section i sure you will earn some points.

[aaronng]

*deleted*

There is always firesport.

[Mr_will]

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start making tech posts. its the only way.

[ZeForce]

I negative repped someone and then they obviously just went searching through my posts to find something to negative rep me back....

Shouldnt you do something to safeguard this, ie users are not allowed to negative rep someone whom they just recieved a negative rep from for a certain time or something? Preventing users from negative repping out of spite.

Just a thought....

[bennjamin]

I negative repped someone and then they obviously just went searching through my posts to find something to negative rep me back....

Shouldnt you do something to safeguard this, ie users are not allowed to negative rep someone whom they just recieved a negative rep from for a certain time or something? Preventing users from negative repping out of spite.

Just a thought....


This isnt a foolproof system - as you have just found out.
Its only as good as the people using it.


IF you suspect someone of abusing the system - pm a mod and they will be infracted and the point removed.

[ProECU]

Benjamin - you have 7 green blocks - thats abusing the system right there.

[yfin]

Benjamin - you have 7 green blocks - thats abusing the system right there.

Why are you worried about other people's PQ status - are you feeling inadequate?

[chunky]

Benjamin - you have 7 green blocks - thats abusing the system right there.

i agree:p

[ProECU]

Why are you worried about other people's PQ status - are you feeling inadequate?

you do realise there is ZERO benefit in such a system dont you ? ...

[dupac->]

lol......... show's technical knowledge of a user in a way..

and to noobs this would benefit since this is a forum to discuss matters and imo i would take advice from someone with more blocks i guess.. not meaning that theyre ALWAYS right..

but yeah
suck on it

[yfin]

you do realise there is ZERO benefit in such a system dont you ? ...

No I don't realise that. You could have 8 green blocks too if you wanted to contribute.

Your contribution has been so sour over the last year or so - it is almost like every time you post it coincides with the bad part of your menstrual cycle. You can't be bitter for the rest of your life.

[ProECU]

No I don't realise that. You could have 8 green blocks too if you wanted to contribute.

Your contribution has been so sour over the last year or so - it is almost like every time you post it coincide with the bad part of your menstrual cycle. :)

I believe thats a personal attack.... im awarding you a negative REP, and expect you receive an infrinement notice.

[ProECU]

lol......... show's technical knowledge of a user in a way..

and to noobs this would benefit since this is a forum to discuss matters and imo i would take advice from someone with more blocks i guess.. not meaning that theyre ALWAYS right..

but yeah
suck on it

See, thats exactly why it DOESNT work.

[yfin]

I believe thats a personal attack.... im awarding you a negative REP, and expect you receive an infrinement notice.

I believe it was good advice. Maybe you should take it. Stop being bitter and you will enjoy life a lot more.

ps. no negative rep allowed in site discussion.

[ProECU]

I believe it was good advice. Maybe you should take it. Stop being bitter and you will enjoy life a lot more.

ps. no negative rep allowed in site discussion.

thats funny, i've had plenty :)

[yfin]

thats funny, i've had plenty :)

well report it and it will be dealt with. The PQ system is only for technical posts.

[dupac->]

See, thats exactly why it DOESNT work.

show's the users knowledge on some things?

go grab a pad man.

ffs..

hahaha

[ProECU]

No I don't realise that. You could have 8 green blocks too if you wanted to contribute.

Not really, doesnt work that way.

example - DynoDave only has 4 green blocks. I guess he's not in the "in crowd"

[ProECU]

show's the users knowledge on some things?

go grab a pad man.

ffs..

hahaha

how about you post something intelligent once your balls have dropped and you grow a brain.

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

i can see where you're coming from in regards to the pq system being a popularity contest. But i hope people can look past that.

[yfin]

Not really, doesnt work that way.

example - DynoDave only has 4 green blocks. I guess he's not in the "in crowd"

Well he only has 600 posts to his name - but over 300 PQ points. That is amazing - don't know many others in that position.

[ProECU]

and the average member would know this HOW exactly? I dont think the PQ systems gives that kind of transparency does it.

Another reason it's flawed.
No matter what examples I hand to you, they'll never suffice... will they?

*bennjamin edit not needed*

[yfin]

it is only a guide man ... not a definitive answer to IQ/ability/knoweldge

[ProECU]

it is only a guide man ... not a definitive answer to IQ/ability/knoweldge

Benjamin, restore my last post you fool.

It read something like "so after all your insults, you agree with me.. Thanks"

[bennjamin]

instead of personal attacks , reply only with some thoughts or constructive criticism relevant to the topic title.


One thing ive noticed is that its the same 20-30 people dishing out rep to people all over the forum , while a percentile gets the 1 point needed and sells off some crap and then disappears.

[ZeForce]

This is how the truth is handled at OzHonda


This is how the truth is received at OzHonda


Posting this on his behalf..... since he was banned

[ECU-MAN]

brake the rules, pay the price

[ZeForce]

break****

[ECU-MAN]

whatever

[bennjamin]

Indeed.
Proecu has been temporarily banned due to being hypocritical of the very ideas he stands up for.(abusing the reputation system)He will be back in 7 days so hang in there.

BTW is there any constructive comments or issues ?

[ZeForce]

BTW is there any constructive comments or issues ?

Even if there were, would anything be done about it? My suggestion seemed to fall on deaf ears....

[bennjamin]

Even if there were, would anything be done about it? My suggestion seemed to fall on deaf ears....

Try again. See what everyone thinks :thumbsup:

[Nikki]

plus if it was id have way points than what i have now lol

i gotta start posting more tech stuff.. just recently ive had a bad case of cbf, today was the first day in 2 weeks i went to work lol

[Bludger]

there is knowledge & there is knowledge.

I think the system is pointless and over rated

[ZeForce]

In all honesty, alot of the time I actually refrain from posting 'technical' advice even though it may well be quite helpful, simply because most of the time it will just be criticised or scrutinised by the e-mechanics with all their green blocks.... Its actually quite pathetic IMHO and a very bad mentality.

Also... I think alot of you guys, especially the mods, are just being overly sensitive to some of the comments being made.... or are you just afraid the emo's on this forum will take them to heart and might kill themselves? lol

[SiReal]

btw, if u think i'm having a go at you, yes, somewhat . but that doesnt mean i'm out ot make enemies of any sort.

i do believe in peace on OH amonsgt members and noobs. and conflicting members.

But some people, not just you, all, have to reprioritise what is really important. Having a go at providing advice, potentially getting it wrong and learning from it OR Having a go, and getting shot down and never contributing again.

For me, its point number 1.

and if u think i'm getting PQ from friends, think again. DIYS, general technical posts on threads that noone even looks at, helping out noobs. Do i see that from you and a few otehrs? not likely...

[ZeForce]

why not stop focusing on the green blocks

Isnt that what this whole thread is about? :confused:


p.s. feel free to flame me back. cos i dont give a shit about you or your stupid PQ issue. there are more important things in life - 'normal things'. not PQ status on ozhonda.com. GEt a life buddy.

What makes you think I would even bother 'flaming' you back?

Also, I think you misunderstand me completely, my point is when you try to give 'real world' advice on this forum it is usually shot down by users whom insist on giving dreamworld internet advice, where everyone needs to have a K swap or toda parts....

[SiReal]

hell mate, hehe i am completely against K swaps, and usually against brand name parts.

but that thread u neg repped me on, was about gaining the most from an already highly tuned engine. Not one that came from factory with restrictions.

when you think about it, R&D , testing, $$$ spent on manufacturing, design and quality on THAT particular car in question, you would get better gains than a factory pumping out parts purely for profit.

[ZeForce]

I wasnt just refering to you, it is wide spread throughout this forum

[SiReal]

Then sincere apologies on my behalf. I misunderstood your intentions.

[Q_ball]

Peace ppl :)
Qball loves you all!

[krogoth]

lol, bunch of e thugs in here

http://www.miseria.net/ethug.jpg

[ZeForce]

I know its off topic, but I just think its important for some of the less educated users to understand that the some best parts arnt always the most expensive... that some users on this site offer bias advice and are just in it to make money, IMO the RP system is used to promote this even more.


when you think about it, R&D , testing, $$$ spent on manufacturing, design and quality on THAT particular car in question, you would get better gains than a factory pumping out parts purely for profit.

I do agree with you about the R&D and money spent developing products, however I think alot of ppl dont actually realise some of the 'brand' name parts are in fact mass produced items stamped with their own logo/brand name....

[Nikki]

Peace ppl :)
Qball loves you all!


does qball love nikki?

[smcha18]

How can i gain PQ point..

[dupac->]

post in the technical threads some information in relation to the topic that may help a member with their situation. and if someone's nice enuff they will give u a pq point to acknowledge a quality post !

ahahhaha something along the lines of that.
haha

[JDM.Power]

How can i gain PQ point..

everything is on the FIRST POST!!

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31660

How do I know how many PQ points I have?
All you have to do is click on your User CP and browse down to the bottom of the page.
The number of points you have depends on the power of the user giving you the point(s). The more PQ points a user has, the larger the effect (that is, the number of points given) to the target user.

Who can use this system?
To avoid abuse, initially only moderators will be able to hand out PQ points. However once a user has received 50 PQ points, they are allowed to alter the rep of other users.

Note: Users with less than 50 PQ points can still click the icon however there will be no change to the score of the user who receives this hit. The reasoning being that you need to build up a decent PQ score before you can hand out points to someone else.

When/where to give PQ points?
Given that the system is to be used for knowledgable/technical/helpful posts, it is not to be used for posts made in the lounge or the Photoshop/Photography forum as these are off topic areas. By helpful we mean helpful to the thread starter or other users having questions relating to their Honda motor vehicle. It is not to be used for posts informing others how to use this website and/or its rules.

How do I know if someone gave me a Positive PQ point or a Negative PQ Point?
In your UserCP, if the little box next to the PQ point another user gave you is green then you got a positive PQ point. If the box is Red you got a negative PQ point. If the box is grey, then that user had no 'rep power' and hence no effect on your total number of PQ points.

[ALLMTR]

I'm just posting to check out how much I know



Edit: Shit I know nothing :(

[bennjamin]

I'm just posting to check out how much I know



Edit: Shit I know nothing :(

apparently ! lol.

Its ok chuck i think you are smart.

[ProECU]

are moderators subject to receiving infringements based on comments received via PM?

[panda[cRx]]

wrong thread, there is another thread for infringements, this is for the PQ system.

just drop it alredy evan. the only reason you have issues with any of the moderators.the pq system/infringement system is from how poorly you act on the forum a large amount of the time.
if only you posted helpful posts as much as you bitched and moaned you would have a million green dots and no infringements, mods would leave you alone.
if you dont like the forum you dont have to stay

[ProECU]

There you go again - making assumptions again.

I posted in the right section - hopefully i'll get a straight answer this time

[bennjamin]

There you go again - making assumptions again.

I posted in the right section - hopefully i'll get a straight answer this time

you assumed wrong , as this is the wrong section ;) Keep alook out in the right section.

[thc86]

man.. i'm all new to cars hahaha dun think i will contribute anything useful. i just have to slowly read the forums..

just got my first car.

[|N|]

man.. i'm all new to cars hahaha dun think i will contribute anything useful. i just have to slowly read the forums..

just got my first car.


search and learn... and u can help others while u at it...

i m sure there r things that u know but others dont

:D

[bennjamin]

man.. i'm all new to cars hahaha dun think i will contribute anything useful. i just have to slowly read the forums..

just got my first car.

Yes dont worry. All you gotta do is post a handy link to a problem someone has -

For example someones car runs bad and the ECU light comes on.
So you REMEMBER ! and give them a link to the DIY ECU test. etc.

Good luck

[panda[cRx]]

it doesnt have to be anything super duper technical about engine building and the like,.
something simple that is helpful and answers the question correctly like this (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1317607#post1317607) is enough to get a pq point lol

[Chuckz]

just wondering, how many points for 1 square??

[krogoth]

1 square?

1 square can be anything between 10 and 99 +rep points

wen u hit 100 or more, ull get to 2 squares

wen u hit 200, 3 squares, etc

[Chuckz]

ic thx

[Mike Star]

Hi there,
I joined the Forum some months ago but still have not attained member status and do not know why. I have posted both information and also asked for information and am not aware of there being any problems but I still get the red banner when I sign in.
Please advise.
Thanks,
Mike

[krogoth]

red banner??

u need to make a helpful post or two that will get u a rep point from another member

once u have at least 5 rep points, u become a member

ther is also the minimum time of 1 month b4 u can be a member, but u have been on ozhonda for longer than that

also if u make a useful DIY, that can also gain u some rep points

[thc86]

ahaha.. i have no idea whats ECU. i havent had the time to read through the forums to learn yet but i will do it after my mid-sems and club activities.

any questions abt computers or games i dun mind handling ahahaha.

[indo_Mi]

ok
i think i have some QP points

[dc2dc2dc2]

PQ points n00b

[ek4-guy]

dude everyone scams them anyway

[wynode]

FYI.

The PQ points system is currently disabled (indefinitely) for Newcomers / Members while we weed out the people who have been abusing the system (we know who you are).

Once we're happy that everything has been dealt with....the system will be re-enabled with tighter restrictions. So when it gets enabled again don't complain to us that it's hard to get PQ points......blame the people who've been abusing it.

[2002 TeGgY]

Hi there,
I joined the Forum some months ago but still have not attained member status and do not know why. I have posted both information and also asked for information and am not aware of there being any problems but I still get the red banner when I sign in.
Please advise.
Thanks,
Mike

lol, i joined the forum like 2 years ago and im still a newcomer...

[Bludger]

red blocks look better.

[andiiso]

lol, i joined the forum like 2 years ago and im still a newcomer...

haha same well maybe not 2 years, but a long time, and ive asked more noob questions then answered but ive given my share of technical of what i knowi guess :angel: .. i hope

[cristian]

FYI.

The PQ points system is currently disabled (indefinitely) for Newcomers / Members while we weed out the people who have been abusing the system (we know who you are).

Once we're happy that everything has been dealt with....the system will be re-enabled with tighter restrictions. So when it gets enabled again don't complain to us that it's hard to get PQ points......blame the people who've been abusing it.

i noticed that some of my PQ points have disappeared...is this due to the 'abusers'?!?

[bennjamin]

i noticed that some of my PQ points have disappeared...is this due to the 'abusers'?!?

Yes. indeedy

[krogoth]

lol @ white font

whoz been doing most of the cleaning up?

[bennjamin]

I browse on occasion and remove stupid comments , and recently Abuses have been dealt with.

Guys n girls , Reserve PQ points for the most needy and helpful replies.
Do not give out for posts such as
- copied replies of the same answer. Opinions (IMO) etc.

[Zdster]

Any idea when it will be back up Wyn/Ben? I want to rep. the Panda for a post he made.

[bennjamin]

big overhaul and decisions to be made. People have made it a pathetic ripoff almost overnight.

[Bludger]

idea is flawed from the beginning

[bennjamin]

idea is flawed from the beginning

Not at all. Over teh length of its implementation it has been ok.
Only recently has several members abused the system entirely.
The system is only as good as the members using it :thumbsup:

[Bludger]

The system is only as good as the members using it :thumbsup:

thats my point.

i don't like using it, i only rep those that rep me, cos i feel guilty that i didn't help them out in return.

there are a few exceptions of me irresponsibly repping others, cos that what i think of the rep point system.

[bennjamin]

i only rep those that rep me, cos i feel guilty that i didn't help them out in return.

there are a few exceptions of me irresponsibly repping others, cos that what i think of the rep point system.

Thats exactly my point lol

Times this comment x 10 members or more and this is the reason we have a problem.

[Bludger]

i think OH should have an option for members to disable the rep system for themselves. for ppl who don't like using/dissagree with the system.

like myself.

[dc2dc2dc2]

i concur with the above statement :)

I never liked the PQ system from the start. Its exactly like "Post Count" . PQ should be recieved for the exact same reason that post counts were also hidden. Turns into competition of who has the most blocks.

[|N|]

depends how u look at it... if u dun like it... just leave it there... it wont bite ..

i only rep ppl when i think its a post thats helping others out or its of useful info.

[Bludger]

depends how u look at it... if u dun like it... just leave it there... it wont bite ..

i only rep ppl when i think its a post thats helping others out or its of useful info.

but i don't want to receive any rep points.i know what my knowledge is, I don't want to look like a dill cos i don't have as many points as the next person. its like a popularity contest.
I get ppl pm'ing me to rep them on a post they made, with link and all.

i even get ppl on msn asking me to rep them

i don't want to have anything to do with the system

[T-onedc2]

I think there's many points given for virtually no reason, like I've been given a point for something and I check why and I'm like, I didn't even give advice or answer a question, I gave what is in effect only my opinion.
I'm all for the PQ system if it's consitent and regulated, otherwise it's a little overrated.
Of course to regulate it means more work for someone who's prob too busy already.

[ProECU]

so people are finally understanding what ive been saying all along.

took someone to abuse it for you idiot moderators to realise.

[Bludger]

so people are finally understanding what ive been saying all along.

took someone to abuse it for you idiot moderators to realise.

sorry my friend, i've been against it all along.

i was always agreeing to what you said in the past.

[bennjamin]

Proecu You have been erupting all amounts of talk from your mouth all along , this isnt your "i told you so" I deserve rep for having the same thought. Only the last few weeks has this become obviously an issue.

[ProECU]

Proecu......, this isnt your "i told you so"


stop kidding yourselves, thats exactly what it is boys.

[bennjamin]

Keep thinking that

Due to the limits of vb , the rep system will probably be altered or removed.
Mods are discussing what if anything is to change.
More actual thoughts and experience of this system anyone ? Anyone noticed PQ system abuses ?

[ProECU]

Anyone noticed PQ system abuses ?

The number of blocks you have is blatant abuse, lol

but hey, if it helps you moderators drum up business on the side, what the heck ey?

[Bludger]

The number of blocks you have is blatant abuse, lol

but hey, if it helps you moderators drum up business on the side, what the heck ey?Bennjamin is pretty helpful on these forums, don't need pq to realize that.

[Nikki]

The number of blocks you have is blatant abuse, lol

but hey, if it helps you moderators drum up business on the side, what the heck ey?


no way! ban posts up heaps of good tech stuff!!!! even helped me when i had a tech question (non honda)

[dupac->]

lol

im a nice guy i give points to ppl who ask for it
LOL

what can i say..

and they do the same back

ahhaha

take my points im so ashamed atm
:(

hahahaha

[krogoth]

The number of blocks you have is blatant abuse, lol

but hey, if it helps you moderators drum up business on the side, what the heck ey?

IAMVTEC = proecu

ther has been a fair bit of abuse lately, and that must be stopped

i think the PQ system is excellent, it sorts out the really helpfull and knowledgable from the nubs

and it also adds more credibility to a persons post

[Bludger]

how about adding a pq to the post itself, instead of adding it to the user.

edit: if you continue the pq system, plz leave me out of it

LOL

[krogoth]

^thats not the point of the PQ

the PQ system shows that a poster knows wat he/she is talkin about.....so wen they do post, every1 knows instantly that wat the poster is saying is most likely right or true or on the right track

[Bludger]

i disagree with the idea.

my ideas are different, doesn't mean they are wrong. (technical ideas)

right or wrong is just a point of view

and the pq just adds to the point of view, therefore a popularity thing.

[dupac->]

lol relax.

its points?

hahaha gg.

[krogoth]

just because som1 has alot of green boxes doesnt mean they cant be rong

it just shows or hints that this person has been knowledgable in the past and has a brain and is offering true fact and/or opinion that can be trusted

[Bludger]

just because som1 has alot of green boxes doesnt mean they cant be rong

it just shows or hints that this person has been knowledgable in the past and has a brain and is offering true fact and/or opinion that can be trustedwhich makes it misleading.

[krogoth]

no system is perfect

in this case it sorts out certain members who really know their stuff

eg, ben, ecu-man, aaron, claymore, tripikata etc etc

worked really well for a while

a few ppl ***ed it up for every1 else, and it was shutdown

[Bludger]

no system is perfect

in this case it sorts out certain members who really know their stuff

eg, ben, ecu-man, aaron, claymore, tripikata etc etc

worked really well for a while

a few ppl ***ed it up for every1 else, and it was shutdown

i don't think regular members need a pq system to work out the above mentioned members have a good knowledge of Honda's.

[Q_ball]

PQ boxes isnt a knowledge metre Bludger,
Its an indicator for newer users, thats shows who's contributed or helped out around the forums the most in the areas that count.

[technify]

lol

im a nice guy i give points to ppl who ask for it
LOL

what can i say..

and they do the same back

ahhaha

take my points im so ashamed atm
:(

hahahaha

x2 , take my points away =] not our fault if we get randon repped, how we suppose to prevent that.

[Bludger]

PQ boxes isnt a knowledge metre Bludger,
Its an indicator for newer users, thats shows who's contributed or helped out around the forums the most in the areas that count.

You can't be more correct Q_ball, i agree with you 100%

But getting the rest of the OH community to realize this is going to be a hard task

I think its still known as a 'knowledge meter'

[krogoth]

^ur all saying wat it isnt

ive said wat i think it is, now i want to hear wat others think the PQ system is

[dc2dc2dc2]

Its all a popularity competition.

I find myself getting repped by certain people and never repped by people with 'lots of green blocks' because my post is not worthy of their powerful 20 blocks or whatever they hand out. A helpful post is a helpful post.

[krogoth]

it has nothing to do with them not repping u coz theyr arrogant with their 20 blocks

they may not have seen the post

they may not think that its worthy of recieving the repp, just in the same way that som1 with 2 blocks may not think a post is not worthy of recieving a rep

i think its good to be tight with repping ppl, i know i try to be tight to keep the system consistent and only hand out points to vey very informative and helpful posts

and so far it has been very good, just recently ther has been some massive abuses, for some reason

a month ago, it was fine

[dc2dc2dc2]

Actually it has been krogroth :)

i know for a fact .

[hinezz]

Its all a popularity competition.

I find myself getting repped by certain people and never repped by people with 'lots of green blocks' because my post is not worthy of their powerful 20 blocks or whatever they hand out. A helpful post is a helpful post.
so agree on that :thumbsup:

[SiReal]

I rep everyone who deserves to be repped.

Mods can view my history, sure I've made a couple of mistakes but most of my PQ have been genuine.

I think its a good system, especially for the reason of preventing ppl to come online for the sole purpose of selling. Thats one of the main reasons why it was introduced in the first place.

Ben + mods - I think you guys are doing a great job, you have my support 110%

ProECU - I still dont know why you lurk around Ozhonda considering you hate it so much ?? :)

[Q_ball]

Its up to the user's discretion!
You cant control that.
If your post didnt warrant a rep in that user's eyes, keep posting constructively and you'll probably end up getting repped by them or by others.

Its only since been a problem cause a group of users are repping each other constantly for posts that aren't anything but opinions etc.

[Bludger]

it has nothing to do with them not repping u coz theyr arrogant with their 20 blocks

they may not have seen the post

they may not think that its worthy of recieving the repp, just in the same way that som1 with 2 blocks may not think a post is not worthy of recieving a rep

i think its good to be tight with repping ppl, i know i try to be tight to keep the system consistent and only hand out points to vey very informative and helpful posts

and so far it has been very good, just recently ther has been some massive abuses, for some reason

a month ago, it was fine


A helpful post is a helpful post.

what maybe helpful to some, may not be to others.

handing out rep's to "very, very" informative posts takes some common sense and will vary a lot.

I don't see much common sense here on OH, but thats just my view.

[EuroDude]

Each green block should be limited to 1 block (100 points) per month+. That should deter those rep gangsters who went from 0 points to 900 points in a few weeks.

Anyways I think the mods should go through every users reps (those who have more than 5 blocks) and check for consistency. Each post they made should be looked at, if it wasn't a helpful answer, those rep points should be removed.

[Mr_will]

Each green block should be limited to 1 block (100 points) per month+. That should deter those rep gangsters who went from 0 points to 900 points in a few weeks.

Anyways I think the mods should go through every users reps (those who have more than 5 blocks) and check for consistency. Each post they made should be looked at, if it wasn't a helpful answer, those rep points should be removed.

i think thats a ridiculous waste of the moderators' time...

at the end of the day, theyre green squares. who really cares.

[aaronng]

Anyways I think the mods should go through every users reps (those who have more than 5 blocks) and check for consistency. Each post they made should be looked at, if it wasn't a helpful answer, those rep points should be removed.
Only the admin can do that.

[bennjamin]

at the end of the day, theyre green squares. who really cares.

The aim of the rep system , is to aid users decisions in who to listen to , and also allow a restraint on users selling on OH.
At the end of the day yes , they are green squares. But they do have meaning to some who depend on some of the comments on here.

[panda[cRx]]

Drew gave me Rep Points the other day.. and then i was on 67 points. and now im back to 50 points?

went from 50pts to infinity+1 in 3 months....


Any idea when it will be back up Wyn/Ben? I want to rep. the Panda for a post he made.

aww it's the thought that counts :p

[SiReal]

There are alot of great posts I want to rep too. More and more members are posting useful information in recent times I have found.

p.s. nice sig lawz haha

[krogoth]

nice sig urself jeff, lol

panda u think that all of drews boxes are bs?

lol, so do i, i just coodnt get how u could get so many boxes so quickly

[SiReal]

Msot of Drews posts are legit. He knows what he's talking about, especially coming from his years of experience as a mechanic.

[krogoth]

yeh i know he knows wat heez talking bout, but it took the other members with as many boxes as him much longer to get them

[tRipitaka]

yeh i know he knows wat heez talking bout, but it took the other members with as many boxes as him much longer to get them

that's because when the PQ system just started, reps were worth 1 or 2 points..
but when Drew joined, reps worth 5-10 were around.. that's why he's so much :thumbsup:

[panda[cRx]]

nice sig urself jeff, lol

panda u think that all of drews boxes are bs?

lol, so do i, i just coodnt get how u could get so many boxes so quickly

i was refering to dupac :wave:

but yes i know for a fact drew was abusing the pq system. he pq'd be for some rubbish post that wasnt tech related at all then got narky i wouldnt pq him back.

ooooh oh noes i told on him :eek:

[bennjamin]

i know for a fact alot of members have been abusing the PQ system. Problem is , they were giving out 5-10 reps per sitting for random shit , each time worth 20+ PQ points. This is the only reason some peopel here have advanced so quickly to above 1000points.

Anyway mods are talking about it as we speak , but feel free to discuss your thoughts here !

[dc2dc2dc2]

get rid of it.

no other forums have it

why should we.

[Bludger]

cos we're so51ck?

[EuroDude]

There are a few other forums that use it, most vBulletin ones dont though form the looks of it.

[SiReal]

Or just reinstate the 50 posts rule in the technical forums before a newcomer will become a member along with the associated priviledges.

[panda[cRx]]

^ no way, it's better to have spammed green squares than spammed tech posts!

[Q_ball]

^Agreed :)

[dupac->]

lol i got my points over afew months

some others u can say got theirs over afew weeks

i abused, copped an infraction,
remove my points? remove the pq system? i dont mind either way

life goes on lads :)

:wave:

[gReY-oNe]

^^^^ LOL


shoudl say wen u clik on teh green boxes
dupac-> is a loser

[krogoth]

all the big pq abusers are from syd, lol

[panda[cRx]]

lol i got my points over afew months

some others u can say got theirs over afew weeks

i abused, copped an infraction,
remove my points? remove the pq system? i dont mind either way

life goes on lads :)

:wave:
errr u gave me rep for an intro thread :confused:

the point is how u deal the points out, not how u have received them


^^^^ LOL


shoudl say wen u clik on teh green boxes
dupac-> is a loser
no it should say DUPAC = 110% QUEER

[Nikki]

maybe make so only mods can give pq?

[tRipitaka]

maybe make so only mods can give pq?

it has been discussed, and we've agreed that it'd make our job a lot harder.. we'll get numerous amount of pm's each day if we miss posts etc. etc.

[destrukshn]

take my points away from me all of em.
over-rated.
becuase i know nothing
lol.

[wynode]

Ok going to address what I can that ppl have brought up.

Firstly....ProECU......we'll listen to you when you have something constructive to say. That doesn't seem to be getting through to you.


i don't think regular members need a pq system to work out the above mentioned members have a good knowledge of Honda's.

Exactly. But the problem is for new members and that's one reason why the system is there. Otherwise we'd get rid of the visibility of the dots altogether.


^ur all saying wat it isnt

ive said wat i think it is, now i want to hear wat others think the PQ system is

It was implemented for 2 reasons.
1. To stop people from spamming in order to get member status and sell items.
2. To give new users an indication of who's advice to take on board and who's advice to be weary of (ie use the dots as a rough indicator of a persons 'knowledge'.



I think its a good system, especially for the reason of preventing ppl to come online for the sole purpose of selling. Thats one of the main reasons why it was introduced in the first place.


Glad someone here at least has been around long enough to know the reasoning behind are actions. We don't just do things around here for the sake of it :)


get rid of it.

no other forums have it

why should we.

We never had it before although it had always been a feature of vB. We only enabled it because we saw a need for it. That said.....just because other forums don't use it (which they do), it doesn't mean that we shouldn't use it. Like I said...reasons for using it are above. But people like to abuse it....and that's the problem.


Or just reinstate the 50 posts rule in the technical forums before a newcomer will become a member along with the associated priviledges.

Woops...I spoke to soon :p The problem with that is the spamming so people can get their post count up.

[Nikki]

ahh post count.. back in the day.. wayyyyyyyyy back in the day :p

maybe only have a few people that can give them? people like ecu-man and those other guys that always post good stuff?

ps. hi win!! *waves*

[wynode]

hello Nikki la! :p

Nahh problem with having a few who can hand out points (like mods) is that people will call it biased.

[krogoth]

It was implemented for 2 reasons.
1. To stop people from spamming in order to get member status and sell items.
2. To give new users an indication of who's advice to take on board and who's advice to be weary of (ie use the dots as a rough indicator of a persons 'knowledge'.


lol i know wat u implemented the sytstem for

but evry1 else was whinging and crying and pointing out all the flaws, no1 was saying wat the PQ system actually did, in their opinion

[Bludger]

is it possible for certain members to have the pq system and others to not have it?

If this is possible, and you are going to continue with the system, may i be excluded.?

[krogoth]

lol man

think practically

either we all have it, or we all dont have it

[Bludger]

any hint as to whats going to happen at this stage?

[dc2dc2dc2]

why not just hide it?

seriously....so what if someone has 3 blocks as per say.

Say the 3 blocks were purely related to n00b forum.

Then someone asked something in Forced Induciton area. Who says that they know what they are on about ? Just because they got 3 blocks ? They might not know anything about FI at all.

[krogoth]

^man u guys take this way too seriously

of course it wont work in every single situation

its just a helpful idicator to the nubs as to which forum members may have a brain and which do not have a brain

stop taking it so literally/seriously

and it has to stay to keep ppl from joining up simply to sell shit

ther would be no point in hiding it as then the nubs wont be able to gauge who has a brain and who is just talkinb shit

[dc2dc2dc2]

We should make it so everyone has 1 green block.

thats it. and when u hover over it u see how many points they actually got or something.

[Bludger]

^man u guys take this way too seriously

of course it wont work in every single situation

its just a helpful idicator to the nubs as to which forum members may have a brain and which do not have a brain

stop taking it so literally/seriously

and it has to stay to keep ppl from joining up simply to sell shit

ther would be no point in hiding it as then the nubs wont be able to gauge who has a brain and who is just talkinb shit

PQ boxes isnt a knowledge metre Bludger,
Its an indicator for newer users, thats shows who's contributed or helped out around the forums the most in the areas that count.

totally contradictory

i know, you're both different, but your ideals are not the same

yes, i'm nitpicking.:)

[kazam]

for sum reason i lost half my rep points :S i used to have 10 now only have 5 :(

[aaronng]

totally contradictory

i know, you're both different, but your ideals are not the same

yes, i'm nitpicking.:)

They are different people! LOL. Last I checked, Qball and Krogoth were 2 different individuals.

aaronng edit: Please do not spam, you have been warned!

[Bludger]

I am a monkey, according to the Chinese zodiac

[Chuckz]

monkey magic :p

any news on when the pq sys is back??

[kazam]

so the PQ system is down?

[Q_ball]

Guys, you should know better than to clutter this area with spam!

No, the PQ system isnt down...its disabled for normal members.

[dc2dc2dc2]

Aarons post of monkey pic isn't spam ?
Or bludgers reply ?

BIAS MODERATING

[kazam]

oh thats lame..

and lol dc2

[Q_ball]

Aarons post of monkey pic isn't spam ?
Or bludgers reply ?

BIAS MODERATING

Look man, stop trying to stir the pot and keep replies on topic plz.

[dc2dc2dc2]

Honestly Qball im not trying to stir shit.
Im wondering why Aaronng spam is ok yet mine is not.

Back to topic anyways.

[ProECU]

Honestly Qball im not trying to stir shit.
Im wondering why Aaronng spam is ok yet mine is not.

Back to topic anyways.

double standards on OzHonda.... no way!

[panda[cRx]]

double standards on OzHonda.... no way!

evan trolling in site discussion threads instead of being helpful in tech threads NO WAY!!! :eek:

[ProECU]

lol...

[wynode]

double standards on OzHonda.... no way!

You're still here? FFS you really need to build a bridge and get over yourself!

[ProECU]

You're still here? FFS you really need to build a bridge and get over yourself!

yes still here, i'm learning about how NOT to run a BBS. :p

[dupac->]

yes still here, i'm learning about how NOT to run a BBS. :p
whats a BBS?

[aaronng]

BBS were those old dial in servers where you could access forums, download from repositories and play weird stuff like MUDs. Not many people call an online forum a BBS anymore, only those old nerds who miss the days of 14.4kbps dial up modems.

[|N|]

Guys, you should know better than to clutter this area with spam!

No, the PQ system isnt down...its disabled for normal members.

Normal members? wat is a normal member?

NOTE: this is a serious question

[panda[cRx]]

normal member as in not a moderator

moderators are not normal, just look at them *gasp* :D

[bennjamin]

;1359926']normal member as in not a moderator

moderators are not normal, just look at them *gasp* :D

http://ptaylor.members.winisp.net/images/admin.jpg

[krogoth]

^lmao

[fatboyz39]

why is my PQ system disable? Did i do anything wrong?

[Bludger]

yeah, your OH membership is going to be revoked, you're going to get banned from here forever.

[kol_m_53100]

Normal members? wat is a normal member?

NOTE: this is a serious question


;1359926']normal member as in not a moderator

moderators are not normal, just look at them *gasp* :D

so is that the answer for `what is a normal member`

[aaronng]

Everyone other than mods and admins cannot give PQ points out anymore.

[SiReal]

is that a permanent decision?

[wynode]

is that a permanent decision?
Nope!

[|N|]

somehow i reckons it make sense for MODS only to give PQ...
at least that solves our spamming PQ issue.

[beeza]

Could somebody tell me how many PQ points I have,I can't find it in my USER CP... Looking to sell some items.

[kazam]

looks like u dont have any

[beeza]

Damn.I guess it's gonna be hard to get em' too....

[EuroAccord13]

looks like u dont have any


You won't be able to tell because it's been disabled... Only Mods and Admin can see them now...

[panda[cRx]]

You won't be able to tell because it's been disabled... Only Mods and Admin can see them now...

yeh u can still see who has a green/grey/red dot

[kazam]

yeh and i just said he duznt have ne coz he has a grey dot

[kazam]

u no wats stupid, u said peopl have bin abusing the PQ system... its obvious which people have been doing it, so y not just punish them? we only have like 10mods on this forum.. how are they gunna hand PQ points 2 evry1 deservent?

[aaronng]

Could somebody tell me how many PQ points I have,I can't find it in my USER CP... Looking to sell some items.

Just try posting in the FS section. If it lets you make a new thread, then you have enough PQ to sell. If you have zero points, it'll tell you that you can't post.

[chunky]

whats this i hear about no more pq points

ive been away

[Q_ball]

^read up on it then! :p

[gbang007]

why dont u remove all the PQ points from those who abused the system. then only allow people who only have a certain number of points to give out points? or would that just be going in circles and creating the same problem later down the track again?

[aaronng]

why dont u remove all the PQ points from those who abused the system. then only allow people who only have a certain number of points to give out points? or would that just be going in circles and creating the same problem later down the track again?

That was the system that was in place and it still got abused.

[wynode]

why dont u remove all the PQ points from those who abused the system. then only allow people who only have a certain number of points to give out points? or would that just be going in circles and creating the same problem later down the track again?
That's just been done. We've made it a bit harder to give out PQ points now. That said we have a list of people who abused the system and if they do anything like that again we won't hesitate to ban them permanently.

The worst part of it there were a few regular members who should no better. Stay tuned for an update on the system being turned on again....

[dc2-forshizzle]

Someone give me a PQ pointsZ

[gReY-oNe]

at leats leave us with ONE point so we can continue to be memebers and not get stuck with newcomer status that way we CANT give out points ANYWAY at least give us the right to sell

im pretty sure some of us were memebers even b4 the pq point system was introduced

not like we havnt earnt out memeber status in the past
not like we havnt contributed to this forum enough
not all our post are bogus

[dc2-forshizzle]

i see people selling on this forum...their post count is zero...how can this be? abuse?!!? lol
good one...the system has failed...again

[chunky]

hold on just checking someting

[tRipitaka]

i see people selling on this forum...their post count is zero...how can this be? abuse?!!? lol
good one...the system has failed...again

posts ? or do you mean pq ?

cos the pq system was only implemented recently..

before that, it was a matter of time before you became a member, and 50 posts

[yfin]

at leats leave us with ONE point so we can continue to be memebers and not get stuck with newcomer status that way we CANT give out points ANYWAY at least give us the right to sell

im pretty sure some of us were memebers even b4 the pq point system was introduced

not like we havnt earnt out memeber status in the past
not like we havnt contributed to this forum enough
not all our post are bogus

Mate grab a tissue at the door. You and others who abused the rep point system have caused inconvenience to all other members on Ozhonda. Moderators have also spent hours and hours looking through the PQ points issued to work out who was involved in the ring of abuse.

So if you are looking for sympathy you are not going to get it. You got off lightly considering you still have the privilege of still being able to post. I can assure you that if you even sneeze wrong and issue a dodgy PQ point again you will be banned.

[hinezz]

Why not just name and shame all of those who were involved in abusing the system?
Members of Ozhonda should know that.

[dzyn3]

Mate grab a tissue at the door. You and others who abused the rep point system have caused inconvenience to all other members on Ozhonda. Moderators have also spent hours and hours looking through the PQ points issued to work out who was involved in the ring of abuse.

So if you are looking for sympathy you are not going to get it. You got off lightly conisdering you still have the privilege of still being able to post. I can assure you that if you even sneeze wrong and issue a dodgy PQ point again you will be banned.
yeah, but grey-one was a member, before the PQ system was implemented, so wouldn't it still be at least somewhat fair, that grey-one got at least member status?

[tRipitaka]

Why not just name and shame all of those who were involved in abusing the system?
Members of Ozhonda should know that.

we're not here to make enemies nor humiliate people..
what's done is done, and all we can do is hope it won't happen again..

[yfin]

yeah, but grey-one was a member, before the PQ system was implemented, so wouldn't it still be at least somewhat fair, that grey-one got at least member status?

No - he/she is lucky they can still post. If they want to contribute to this site in the future they can earn their stripes - a measly 1 PQ point legitimately.

[aaronng]

1 PQ point is easy to earn.

[bennjamin]

Its not such a biggie - who cares if you are a newcomer or member....your friends still know who you are :)

Anyway lets live and learn about this guys n girls ~ think hard before dishing out REP to anyone. Do they really deserve it ? Is their post / thread original and their own comment ( as opposed to a repeated answer like YES or NO)

[destrukshn]

okay, sure people have abused this system.
alot of people have.
i've seen some mods even do it.
meh it's a fact of life.
doesn't mean all of the posts were irrelevant, and useless.
meh, i can't remember how many dud ones i've recieved from random members here on the forum, take them away from me, don't really, care. lol.
as long as i get to retain member status, not really caring about points.
but, in my view, strip all the points away, but if they had member status before the PQ system came in, they should retain it.
to make it a tad fairer, because they did earn that member status in the first place before the PQ system was implemented and then abused.
i don't really join in discussions, but this is kinda gone out of hand aye.

[yfin]

okay, sure people have abused this system.
alot of people have.
i've seen some mods even do it.
meh it's a fact of life.
doesn't mean all of the posts were irrelevant, and useless.
meh, i can't remember how many dud ones i've recieved from random members here on the forum, take them away from me, don't really, care. lol.
as long as i get to retain member status, not really caring about points.
but, in my view, strip all the points away, but if they had member status before the PQ system came in, they should retain it.
to make it a tad fairer, because they did earn that member status in the first place before the PQ system was implemented and then abused.
i don't really join in discussions, but this is kinda gone out of hand aye.

I don't think you understand the extent of this - it was not a few PQ points that were "iffy". This was a group of members who went from low PQ points to over 1000 points in a few days/week by repping bs posts of each other. If they wanted respect and fairness they wouldn't abuse the system. Putting them back to zero points and requiring them to earn 1 point to sell is getting off lightly.

[bennjamin]

As above. IMO case closed and dont do it again abusers !

[destrukshn]

no, i do understand it.
i understand completly, i'm just stating my view, that, they at least should retain member status, if they have earned it before the PQ system was implemented.
that is all.

[kazam]

who cares if they spam rep points? its not like the more green dots u have, the better human being u become.. i think ozhonda over-reacted to this whole situation..

[bennjamin]

This is a website and rules are implemented , and since people abused the rules they get set as an example to others.

[aaronng]

no, i do understand it.
i understand completly, i'm just stating my view, that, they at least should retain member status, if they have earned it before the PQ system was implemented.
that is all.

Ppl used to actually get banned for abusing the PQ points by accumulating infarctions, even if they were old members. In this incident, just removing the points and going back to newcomer status is pretty lenient. Since they have already been a member for so long, all they need is 1 PQ point and don't have to serve the waiting period.

[JDM.Power]

Its not such a biggie - who cares if you are a newcomer or member....your friends still know who you are :)

but yeah reading the terms, newcomer = cant sell in the forsale section
where member can post up a new thread and sell items.

and its a :thumbdwn: for those who were a member before the pq system started.

[aaronng]

and its a :thumbdwn: for those who were a member before the pq system started.
If they were members before the PQ system and they are members of the community, they should have known better to abuse the system. :zip:

[Q_ball]

To add to that, this forum is not all about selling.
If that is the only real downer for setting their status back to 0, then i say tough titties.
Maybe they shouldve thought about this before abusing the system.

[hinezz]

To add to that, this forum is not all about selling.
If that is the only real downer for setting their status back to 0, then i say tough titties.
Maybe they shouldve thought about this before abusing the system.
:thumbsup: agree!

[wynode]

It's back online:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1378728#post1378728

[wynode]

at leats leave us with ONE point so we can continue to be memebers and not get stuck with newcomer status that way we CANT give out points ANYWAY at least give us the right to sell

im pretty sure some of us were memebers even b4 the pq point system was introduced

not like we havnt earnt out memeber status in the past
not like we havnt contributed to this forum enough
not all our post are bogus

It's either you retain your member status or get a temporary ban. As said.....you should be glad that after all you and the others have done you're still able to post. You don't have any idea as to how much of our time and effort you wasted by your little games. We don't just invent rules/systems on this site.....we do it for a reason and you of all people should know this.


yeah, but grey-one was a member, before the PQ system was implemented, so wouldn't it still be at least somewhat fair, that grey-one got at least member status?

See above comment.


no, i do understand it.
i understand completly, i'm just stating my view, that, they at least should retain member status, if they have earned it before the PQ system was implemented.
that is all.

Above comment again...


who cares if they spam rep points? its not like the more green dots u have, the better human being u become.. i think ozhonda over-reacted to this whole situation..

I think you've underestimated WHY we brought the system in. If you have a system and someone abuses it......why have it all if people are going to walk all over it. Can you elaborate as to how we've overreacted?

[krogoth]

dupac relax

no need for all the swearing and hissy fits

if u read yfins comments as arrogant thats ur issue

but he isnt swearing taking personal shots at any1

[blahZ]

i agree with dupac some mods are dickheads

[gReY-oNe]

dupac relax

no need for all the swearing and hissy fits

if u read yfins comments as arrogant thats ur issue

but he isnt swearing taking personal shots at any1

should get people to read the comment that yfin made
someone who isnt biased
im sure they would think his being arrogant too not like it was necessary
what is he gonna reply after this??

HOW ABOUT I GIVE YOU A TISSUE?? real mature..
not like we CARED that u toke away our points
then again u said we were lucky not to get banned??

as dupac said me and him would rather a ban then removing of our memeber status, at least that way we did our ban

im sure this forum isnt only for the forsale section ive made about 1 or 2 threads there in the time ive been here just knowing u can sell off stuff wen needed is convenient
not like we are syain we didnt do anything wrong

[Q_ball]

i agree with dupac some mods are dickheads

If you have an issue with any of the mods, then start another thread in the site discussion forum outlining why thats the case.
Alternatively, PM the mod about ur issues.

Lets leave this thread re: the PQ system.

[dc2dc2dc2]

I've said it once, twice and i'll say it again.
PQ system sucks donkey nads. Its all a popularity competition and should be scrapped. I know for a fact even mods compete and ask for rep points.

Just a quick question. Say myself and 4 other members. Keep repping eachother with PQ points everyday. FOR POSTS THAT WERE HELPFUL. Would i cop the same punishment ?

Thanks

[dupac->]

^^^agreed. i just repped coz ppl were tightasses with points
lol

and wanted to spread the love!

thats the truth
say what u want.

[dupac->]

dupac relax

no need for all the swearing and hissy fits

if u read yfins comments as arrogant thats ur issue

but he isnt swearing taking personal shots at any1

no you relax.

if he has a point to make then make it instead of being a moron about it.
that is all..

i abused the system but i dont really mind taking the punishment, but dont make it out that it was more than it is....

[aaronng]

From what I see, your status is still member and not newcomer even with 0 points...

Anyway, it's already over and most of you are already getting points back anyway. Let's just move along and hope that this doesn't happen again.