what modifications would make this turbo fit?

[rnbguy]

if i wanted to use this american turbo setup, what modifications would need to be done, the ebay seller said only minor:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=220102450092

[DLO01]

Without actually fitting that kit, its hard for anyone to say.

I personally would stay away from ebay kits.

[rnbguy]

bad experience?

[DLO01]

In general Ebay = cheap, cheap = inferior quality.

And you don't want that on a turbo setup no mater how serious you are.

People might think otherwise, but thats my personal opinion. :thumbsup:

[dsp26]

can't see the link but if it's ssautochrome.xs-power stay away from it!!! they great NA extractors/header copies though....

a few people i've read of inv arious car forums have reported that everything is great BUT the actual turbo is a POS!!! the majority of people reported the turbine housing cracking with a few minorities reporting blown engines from turbine fins breaking off and going into the engine!!

[ECU-MAN]

as above

but that sort of thing looks like a bolt on kit,

you will have to modify the sump, and chop a bit off the block.

look in the DIY section, there are a few DIY in there on how to do it.

[serpo]

ye I was looking at an ebay kit aswell and was just gonna put better turbo and manifold on it but I dont think you will get any troubles from it, it has a warenty so if somthing goes wrong you can get your cash back and put it down to experiance. let us know if your gonna get it would love to see how it turned out

[ECU-MAN]

you have to be carefull as some of those kits have really thin piping on the manifold, and they crack, then when you try to repair them by welding, you blow a hole through it. not worth the headache with the real cheep kits

[rnbguy]

im just over the overpricing in australia darn it... i was thinking same as serpo, get some parts which are shitly over priced here, ebay the rest off like turbo... and get a nice turbo

[SLOWEGG]

The best way is custom.

[040501912]

you pay what ur getting...

basicly dont buy the kit of ebay .. that have stupidly cheap price..
they mostly made in china :p turbo will fall appart in 1 year .. even though you rebuilt that before you put it in.. happen to my friend :p

Brand new kit off ebay will cost you 2700 + on some branded one.. not a cheap imitation..

onther way u can buy 2nd hand of the good brand turbo kit of ebay.. they have lots over USA and save you bang of money .. (coz i did that)

taking notes that.
most intercooler piping are direct fit but.. not all of it, some need modification.. :)

hope it helps ya

[040501912]

oh just name a few.. that i would suggest you to get of ebay

Turbonetics
Treadstone
FMAX
DRAGZ

those brand are popular in USA.. and have a good feedback :thumbssup:

[dsp26]

also i'm not sure people realise with the turbos in those cheap kits.

They work well for the bolt-on setup... they generally have a 4psi actuator spring which is pretty much the max they should be running as a "bolt-on". what people have to realise is that theres a reason the bolt-on kits don't come with bigger injectors, ecu or boost controllers... you can't boost them. if you really want those cheap kits with everything sourced for you already then fine... but at least visit any Nissan forum and get yourself a 2nd hand turbo off a Skyline or sylvia or something.. depending on the flange...

[rnbguy]

yeah i get ya, so if i get a turbo from america are u saying i should bring in all the piping etc of there too, wouldnt it be different for them?

can i use stock ecu for stock boost? 5psi

[ECU-MAN]

no you cant use a stock ecu for any boost,

your ecu has to modded and remapped

[040501912]

no you cant use a stock ecu for any boost,

your ecu has to modded and remapped

yes that true ..
But some company give their programed piggy back to run their turbo..
Greddy usualy have FIC included in their kit
fuel adjustment and msd boost timing controller...
i found out they are not the best way to run turbo.. (NOT SAFE)
too risky to run it ...

so if you want to get a kit of usa ...
u got the hardware parts..
i recomend Treadstone .. they give you basic parts only no ECU or any fuel controller. they are arround $2700 mark
this includes turbo, ext waste gate, intercooler, down pipe, etc
www.treadstoneperformance.com
they willing to ship to australia :) which is kinda good hahahha

then you provide your own Piggy back system or stand alone ECU, + bigger injectors. you wouldnt need fuel pump if your fuel pump still capable of running it less 80% duty.

Run a piggy back to save u money ...
Interceptor, emanage blue, emanage ultimate, hondata, fcon etc
or you can run Stand alone which give total control of ur car!
Power Fc, AEM, haltech series or microtech series.. try stay away from WOLF3D ... if its possible

there you go.. a easy set up which cost you arround $4000 - $5000 inlcuding tuning and installing :)
Good luck

[rnbguy]

hmmm i was thinking i might get a second hand turbo with all part excluding ecu... for around $1100-1200...

second hand aftermarket ecu on ebay...

and then pay for labour...

this should run it at 5psi (ish)... i dont belive a turbo setup should cost 5k unless u want a nicely setup... i just want a "itll not wreck the engine" setup...

[serpo]

ye ive been discussing with rnbguy on PM and ive heard that you dont need diff ECU because its bolt on kit and were not changing injectors, I heard the manifols sheer but i can get one made up from my mate he makes them all the time for silvias and skylines just want a base kit to build off of

[040501912]

prepare ur self a 5K budget ... just incase you will surprise!
ECU will be arround $500 - 1500 depends on what are you getting.. and tunning will be another $400 - 1000 (on dyno)
dont forget labour is the most expensive area :(
what happen if your parts need to be moded lil bit to fit ur car? and exhaust work?

5 psi ish .. will do something if you arent carefull enough .. just take some extra percautions on they way. it will save you money at the latter stage :) (if something breaks down)

hope it helps ya to decide

[serpo]

aimre said this
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62152&page=6

[040501912]

ye ive been discussing with rnbguy on PM and ive heard that you dont need diff ECU because its bolt on kit and were not changing injectors, I heard the manifols sheer but i can get one made up from my mate he makes them all the time for silvias and skylines just want a base kit to build off of

yep u dont need a diff ecu
coz they give you their mini piggy back system.. for fuel control
MSD BTM for timming ..
frankly msd btm only can retard the timing by 0.5 over 1 psi of boost.. thats why u only can run a certain amount of boost on this set up.. no more than 6 psi may be 7 :)

i did some research on MSD BTM on the net .. comes out that it will advance timming at high boost ... might try to do some search in depth b4 you going a head with this parts :thumbsup:

and injectors arent necessary... :) as long as their duty cycle are no more then 70% if they were.. u have to change it

[serpo]

the ebay item doesnt say anything bout piggyback

[rnbguy]

come on guys, surely someone here has done a turbo setup without going the typical $5k budget, speak up pwez :)

[040501912]

=\ what kind of part u looking for?
i think piggyback is just to have a total control of ur setup..
u can run with out it. by using a fuel pressure regulator probs

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/INTEGRA-TURBO-Turbonetics-KIT-Civic-LS-TYPE-R-EK9_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ003QQitem Z130102281990QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
this runs with SAFC

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turbonetics-Honda-99-01-Civic-Si-B16A2-TUNER-Turbo-Kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ005QQitem Z150062712595QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
if you see the picture, they have msd BTM and next to it there is a black box which is FIC *fuel control module

if you talking about the link on the 1st page ... i wont run on ur car properly .. you will have detonations and lean fuel as the turbo spools up. on full boost.

[serpo]

thanks for the help so far guys I have found some ECU hacks on another site and some realy good turbo setups for under $2,000

[040501912]

chipped ecu :p !!!
good luck bro .. see u soon on the turbo section :)

[serpo]

anything wrong with chipped ECU hack? its full customizeable

[040501912]

anything wrong with chipped ECU hack? its full customizeable

it is set at a certain things which u cant cutom it at all . when its plugs in that it. ur car set to the chip. just get a piggy back mate .. give u less hassel .. emanage for $400 bucks with loom like the 1 on the sale section. give you a freedom of setting up every thing u need. trust me its really gona save u money lots more then u think.

those chiped ecu, i think they do cahnge rpm limit right?

[serpo]

it is set at a certain things which u cant cutom it at all . when its plugs in that it. ur car set to the chip. just get a piggy back mate .. give u less hassel .. emanage for $400 bucks with loom like the 1 on the sale section. give you a freedom of setting up every thing u need. trust me its really gona save u money lots more then u think.

those chiped ecu, i think they do cahnge rpm limit right?

wow you couldnt be more wrong.... these chips can be programmed in any way you want you can write on the chip infinate number of times, you buy them blank and you program it off your laptop or normal PC with a ROM writer (included with package) you can change and do anything you want with it, you can even run Hondata software on it, ive just done 2hrs worth of research and finaly got the right answers about building a turbo at home

[040501912]

okay .. i might be wrong :) neway doesnt really matters what do you use.. on controlling ur ecu with chip and hacking it. im' just giving out my opinion.

honda turbo FTW lol .. !!

[DLO01]

Guys, above all things in the turbo setup, I definatly would not skimp with ecu, I would not bother with pre-programed piggybacks etc.

Alarm bells rings when you talk about that. :eek:

[serpo]

its not pre programed dude you get it blank and program it yourself pretty cool actualy

[DLO01]

Yes,

Still, I would never skimp with Ecu. :thumbsup:

[Sexc86]

just buy that kit if postage isnt too bad, slap the shit on get a good management system, and the only thing that can really root up is the turbo and the manifold, in which case just replace it with a quality garrett turbo and manifold

[rnbguy]

finally a creative reply :)

i know everyones being safe but those typical spend all ur money replies are boring...

[rnbguy]

has anyone ever sink trapped these manifolds? or known off???

please no boring bits :P

[kraiye]

just buy that kit if postage isnt too bad, slap the shit on get a good management system, and the only thing that can really root up is the turbo and the manifold, in which case just replace it with a quality garrett turbo and manifold

Exactly what i was gonna say. Get the kit, it will probably do what you want it to. Just be prepared to get another turbo or manifold IF they die :thumbsup: to easy - especially when you have friends that make mani's! Aza's car was running an ebay kit untuned for 18 months or so. Engine and turbo especially were totally f*ked by the end but, set up properly, it may have lasted.
There's always some sort of management/piggyback system someone is selling 2nd hand, if you have patience & need to save $$ look around, otherwise buy a new one.
Most of it is just nuts and bolts man, thats all, nothing more... DIY what u can and get someone else to do what you cant.

oh yeah, if u wanna keep your aircon you may wanna go for a custom mani straight up cause this one doesnt look like it'd let you keep it

[rnbguy]

i wanna put the smallest intercooler on with this kit, and wanna try make it almost invisible so car looks stock

any suggestions?

[DLO01]

Black annodizing, and/or mesh to hide it. :thumbsup:

[Muzz]

Thin layer of black spray paint brother!

Yah if i were you, cheap (lol, just messin), get the ebay kit to start with, find some way to manage it with decent tuning. If your only requirement is not to screw your motor, find a way to have actually tuned by a tuner, and tuned well.

As the components shit themselvs (hopefully not ****ing the engine too), replace them with decent parts until you can wind up the boost.

Have a search through the archives on honda-tech.com for "ebay kits". There are some really good threads/post on the various components on these kits what lasts/what dosnt.

Youll very likely end up needing
new manifold
wastegate
turbo
bov

[DLO01]

He wants a pissy little intercooler. Painting it black is just going to insulate it. Might as well not get an intercooler. :zip:

Jokes, but yeh, thats what it comes down to. :thumbsup:

[rnbguy]

i wanna hide the intercooler completly, but yeah thanx for that fellas... except for cheap comment :P that didnt help

[040501912]

guys in usa.. runs my turbo kit, with out any intercooler. he runs 5 psi..
no engine management only FMU to do the fuel system.

so you might wanted to try that?? instead of havin intercooler for saving up ur money? direct pipe from turbo to intake manifold.

he ran that set up for 1 year.. nothing happens.. :)

cheapes way to turbo u car LOL

[Muzz]

You could piece together a pretty good kit cheap if you want, thats what id probably do.

ive seen plenty of these ebay cast d series manifolds on ebay go for about $50US second hand. Say about $150au shipped.
These cast style ebay mani's are strong and last, unlike the welded tubular ebay stuff (there was a good discussion about these cast ebay mani's on HT a while back). Ive seen quite alot 2nd hand for cheap http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA-CIVIC-D16-TURBO-EXHAUST-MANIFOLD-1996-2000-2000_W0QQitemZ190103742544QQihZ009QQcategoryZ33742 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Go find a second hand turbo, prefably internally wastegated to save on cash. Also oil lines.Say $700.
Please correct me if im wrong, but i think you can get 2nd hand rebuilt turbos for around $700 which would be a nice option:thumbsup:

Downpipe - $250???? no idea what they cost....
EDIT, or even these pieces, to save on seperate shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CIVIC-D15-D16-CAST-T3-MANIFOLD-2-5-TURBO-DOWNPIPE_W0QQitemZ120109069781QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3 3632QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem, what evers cheaper.

cheap intercooler and piping $300

boost controler, manual to save cash. $50
a second hand electronic boost controller would be better.

gaskets/bolts/clamps/postage/all the unexpected shit etc. $200-$300

All up thats $1650-1750 :eek: Plenty of money left over for some sort of tuneable engine managment and tuning.:thumbsup:

Considering the ebay kit would be be probably $950US after postage ($1160), i would peice together my own kit. It will be alot more trust worthy than an ebay kit, much better turbo choices, and theres no reason why, if it was tuned well, i dont see any reason why you couldnt run more boost to the tune of 170-240fwhp, with larger injectors.

Running 5psi youl will get used to the power in no time and youll end up wanting more. I vote to piece it together!

[rnbguy]

ur absoultly right i will defenitly be looking at these options youve listed Muzz, and get small pieces over time till its all ready...

[kraiye]

nice work Muzz
cheap turbo's can be a very viable option, take your time, research parts and invest in tuning :thumbsup:

[Muzz]

a good site for turbo d16 info is turbod16.com heres a good thread on cheap parts. http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=27218

[040501912]

dont rushed things up. take ur time.

save up bit more money to get you the best set up ! :)

[kraiye]

a good site for turbo d16 info is turbod16.com heres a good thread on cheap parts. http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=27218

:thumbsup:
also check http://www.d-series.org/forums/ and maybe http://www.honda-tech.com/ could be helpfull

[rnbguy]

man that HMT forum is a nightmare to get an answer.... thank god aussie forums exist....

ive got most of the turbo parts sorted, except now im at ecu option...

im thinking either use my current ecu with UNICHIP and get it tuned.

or

get a basemap burnt and change my ecu to a obd1 ecu (so need harness too)
and get that tunned

what u guys rekon i should do?

[040501912]

unichip and get it tune ..
unichip is a pretty good pigy back :)

[rnbguy]

thanx mate, will do.

[ECU-MAN]

go OBDI

[Muzz]

ECU-MAN im gathering parts to turbo my d16y4 which is obd2. I see most people changing to obd1 for tuning, is this somthing i should be looking into? Do they do this so they can run a chipped p28ECU. If i were going to use somthing like a haltec, i wouldnt need to convert to obd1???

Im really confused about what ill run my setup with, really just need to do more reading/research.

[rnbguy]

mannn now im confused fellas.... hey while we're deciding that, im curious... i have a t3 manifold can i put a td04L on it with a bit of welding?

[ECU-MAN]

ECU-MAN im gathering parts to turbo my d16y4 which is obd2. I see most people changing to obd1 for tuning, is this somthing i should be looking into?

for sure, there is alot more support for the OBDI ECU available. However you will need to also change your distributor and do some wiring.

There are free products you can use for the OBDI ecu or you can putchase a hondata unit ect.

[rnbguy]

since ur the ecu man, do u do any work with the obdI if you do could you pm me rates :)

[rnbguy]

hi, ive been told i could purchase a chipped ecu from http://xenocron.com/ which will be setup for my turbo setup... and just need a harness
to allow a obd1 ecu to fit in my car, then ill probably just ebay my stock obd2 ecu...

what u guys think?

this would avoid needing to stuff around with ecu myself or by any costly tuners?

[kraiye]

...However you will need to also change your distributor and do some wiring.
...

Hey ECU-MAN, do you know if you can use a Y4 dizzy on a Y8?
seeing as they are both both OBD2 and all...

[jwakefi0]

Just out of question why are you buying a turbo kit for your honda, when there are plenty of cars that come from the factory with a turbo setup.

[040501912]

where is the passion? dont you want to be unique? ppl here have lots of reason to love their cars :) and sometimes its a pleasure to done up cars and actualy can enjoy it.

i knoe lots of cars with turbo on the market with reasonable prices. but it comes down to the owner.

i could get SKYLINES or SUBARU if i dont do up my car.. still its personal choices. Result is i still could beat skyline gtst 32,33, silvias, wrx in their stockies state.. and those ppl would say WTF??!! what have you done to it.. and you can feel proud of it :p coz i did LOL !!

[NeRV]

The point of boosting a honda is to have a boosted honda

[kraiye]

The point of boosting a honda is to have a boosted honda

amen to that!


and sure, get a factory boosted car... then upgrade to decent turbo, bov, fmic, piping, exhaust, then retune etc... costs you the same amount anyway. so may as well start with a quality car like honda and have the pride and joy of turning a good n/a car into a good turbo car and learning all the way.

its not factory boosted so people dont expect it to have a turbo as much as say an r32/33 or s13 etc. how many of these that you see around DON'T have a fmic??
my 2c :)

[Muzz]

Just out of question why are you buying a turbo kit for your honda, when there are plenty of cars that come from the factory with a turbo setup.

Whats the point of doing up a hotrod from the 60s, bringing it back to an awsome condition, when you can buy a brand new car which is in perfect condition already?

[DLO01]

Just out of question why are you buying a turbo kit for your honda, when there are plenty of cars that come from the factory with a turbo setup.

Where is the fun in that?

[rnbguy]

well there u go, question answered, man this is why this forum rocks... theres something i gotta tell u guys... JOKES...

i couldnt have said it better, i just wanna have a boosted honda, if u dont agree i guess try see it as f*cking a real tall chick, u wanna do it once atleast to get it out of ur system...

[teaseR]

if u want cheap and ghetto...
cut up ur manifold... weld a t3 flange on it and bolt the turbo on...
ive heard guys in the US doin this...
works a treat for D series engine

[rnbguy]

well some random guy from the net says has a prelude D16 turbo manifold his looking into finding out if itll fit my engine

(didnt now preludes came with d16 blocks but live and learn)

[rnbguy]

i bet he meant integra

[Muzz]

cough* ebay cast manifold for cheap and they last *cough

[rnbguy]

anyone hear something?

yeah ebay cast will prolly be the direction i take... :)

NEED TO FIGURE OUT ECU... i dont want morons on HMT forums to tune it for me, their just weird although they'lll prolly know how to do it... anyone here know how to chip a p28 ecu? i know i could buy burner etc but highly prefer not to

[bennjamin]

you can chip a p28 with programs like uberdata / chrome. Freeware off the internet.

search it !

[rnbguy]

hey ben,

nah id rather leave all the tunning purely to the pros, ive heard too many stories of ppl frying their hondas tunning it themselves... im gonna find one of a P06, P05,or P75 ecu and try locate someone to tune it for me...

[kraiye]

... if u dont agree i guess try see it as f*cking a real tall chick, u wanna do it once atleast to get it out of ur system...
thats right! you gotta at least once in you life have... a tall chick, a blonde, chick, a short chick, a brunette, an asian, a red-head, an older woman, a younger woman, a backpacker, a red head, a pregnant chick (well for some anyway) and of course, a boosted honda! without these life isn't complete :p

[DLO01]

Frk man, I have had all of those. :cool:

Currently got a Pregnant Chick. ha ha... (the wife, due next month) :p

[rnbguy]

looool

[kraiye]

Frk man, I have had all of those. :cool:

Currently got a Pregnant Chick. ha ha... (the wife, due next month) :p

congrats on the bub mate, good ti hear & good luck with it all :thumbsup:

what boosted :honda: have you had btw?

[DLO01]

This one:
http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/My%20Crx/?start=all
Delsol, with Stage II AVO turbo kit.
Very nice kit. But I would not go anything less than custom now.

:thumbsup:

[kraiye]

dam thats a nice, quick looking lil del sol!
that fmic is flawless, was it painted?

love this shot too. last time i saw this car park it was overflowing with honda's :thumbsup:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/My%20Crx/Resizeof166-6689_IMG.jpg

[DLO01]

Its an AVO bar & plate and yes its painted silver.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/My%20Crx/ResizeofIMG_7396.jpg

[Muzz]

Wow, thats a beautiful car man! Same with that crx (minus the kit).

[rnbguy]

once this turbo is all pieced together ill make sure to take photo and pricing of all parts and make a write up, i know its been done before but this can be the cheap version (cheaper turbo setup) :)

btw congrats on the baby man...

[Aza]

come on guys, surely someone here has done a turbo setup without going the typical $5k budget, speak up pwez :)

there is a difference between a cheap turbo setup and a reliable turbo set up. if u cannot afford to do it properly (ecu, tunning, proper cooling, injectors, exhuast, etc, etc) then u cannot afford to turbo the car its as simple as that.

yes my car had a crappy ebay kit that was on the car for aroudn 18months just using the parts from the kit (previous owner did this NOT me) and yeah the car ran but honestly it was a heap of shit and drove like a puss box. now i have had to go back replacing alot of the parts and the turbo and the engine!!! just to get it running how a d series turbo should. my advise if u really want the kit, get it, but DO NOT put it on until u can afford the rest of the things u need to make it reliable and working how it should otherwise u might do more harm then good

[Aza]

ps i havnt really read this thread that advise was if ur still going the kit, but if u wanna do it PROPERLY reseach all the parts and buy them individually! best way means ur getting EXACTLY what u want. im hungry

[rnbguy]

nah im not going for ebay full kit, just the manifold and downpipe, rest of parts ive almost finished sourcing, the only thing ill invest alot in is the tunning because i dont think that should be taken lightly...

so far im making budget keeping the whole kit under 2k
(i will install as most as possible, then hopefuly get help with the rest of uncle with his hoist or some work of ecu man on here or ben, any of those gurus) :)

[NeRV]

what injectors are you planning to use and what power goals?

[rnbguy]

6psi running 450CC minimum

[Aza]

can u post ur parts list as stands so far? or parts list fo what u are getting?

[Muzz]

Yeah thats a good idea, itll really get you lots of opinions and views to help you achieve your goals a cheap setup without anything comprimising your engines health.

[rnbguy]

to be honest, i wanna wait till its all done... im pretty sure on everything now... once its done ill make a huge right up "HOW TO TURBO UR D SERIES FOR LESS THEN 2K" with instructions and links... i just dont wanna post anything and later find out its sh*t bcuz it didnt fit etc...

[Aza]

thats why u should pst up so we can tell u if its ganna work or not and what ur missing or didnt think of ;)

[rnbguy]

so far all ive got is:
TD04L turbo
D16 trubo manifold + downpipe (need flangs)

Getting soon:
intercooler piping
intercooler

still to find:
manual boost controller (if ecu cant handle boost control on its own)
chipped p28 ecu + new dizzy + a tuner (person to tune the ecu)
gaskets/bolts/clamps/ feed lines (oil + coolant)
injectors
fuel pump

[NeRV]

don't forget boost gauge and maybe oil temp and pressure gauge.

[rnbguy]

thanx but that stuff isnt needed to run turbo... can get it later

[serpo]

man this turbo kit is so cheap and so reliable, I cant wait to do the CRX

[kraiye]

wiring loom or conversion harness?
y u need a new dizzy?

u may be able to get away wif stock injectors on 6 psi too

[serpo]

wiring loom or conversion harness?
y u need a new dizzy?

u may be able to get away wif stock injectors on 6 psi too

nah man need injectors n fuel pump otherwise you will starve the engine

[Muzz]

youll need to get some oil feed and return lines for the turbo, with a pressure restricter in the feed line. Ive read lots of stories about the high oil pressure in our honda motors can push oil out of the seals, and the pressure needs reducing. Please correct me if im wrong though...

[serpo]

youll need to get some oil feed and return lines for the turbo, with a pressure restricter in the feed line. Ive read lots of stories about the high oil pressure in our honda motors can push oil out of the seals, and the pressure needs reducing. Please correct me if im wrong though...

realy? havnt heard that but ill look into it man

[rnbguy]

btw serpo and i are working on same project , just different cars :)

thanx for the heads up on the pressure needs looking into... i thought i might be able to use same dizzy from what americans say about the Y7 engine but ecu-man has advised i will need a new dizzy, so will look into it

[kraiye]

nah man need injectors n fuel pump otherwise you will starve the engine

yeah that's what i thought too but i have been advised otherwise in the past for low boost turbo's with stock engines. apparently the fuel pumps at least are up for the task

who really knows? every time i ask a question here it's some say yes, some say no.
lol

btw, after my mini is done (if ever) i've got a unichip controlled td04l ready to bolt on too :D:thumbsup:

actually, i've made clips so i can swap injectors at will. if my tuner is nice ;) i'll get him to test the stock injectors as well. i did this so i can drive my car to the tuner then swap injectors before he starts.

[Muzz]

Also, it really would be nice for your engine to get a better radiator. Even if your not overheating badly the temps will be quite alot higher than before, which isnt good for your engine. There a US brand of radiator called Mishimoto, that makes performance radiators of excelent quality and for much less than Koyo and fluidine.

Theres a distributor selling them in the US on ebay for $150US dollars for the 96-00ek, there a half size aluminium unit. Thatd be around $300AU assuming shipping was $100 US. Tons of people on turbod16 and honda-tech use these radiators without problems, have a search around.
They come with a 1 year warranty aswell. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mishimoto-Aluminum-Radiator-92-00-Civic-93-97-DelSol_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ107063QQihZ015QQ itemZ250110477601QQrdZ1#ebayphotohosting

Considering the benifits i think it would definatly be money wisely spent:thumbsup:

[kraiye]

This item will not directly bolt up with OEM fan. Please purchase optional Mishimoto electric 9" fan for OEM application (P/N: FAN-9)

cable ties ftw! ;)

or mounting kit (which turns out are basically $20 cable ties anyway!)

[Muzz]

Also another thing to look into is the crankcase ventalation system.
When the intake sees positive pressure from boost, the pcv valve is pushed shut. The positve pressure in the crankcase builds up and cant escape causing dammage (to the piston rings i believe). Theres heaps of info on the net how to fix the problem, how its caused, and what it does, so i wont explain it here. Basically all you need is a catchcan, hoses and breather filter, to redo the system. So its cheap, and much better for your engine:thumbsup:

[rnbguy]

thanx for that info muzz, as for the radiator i dont think ill go that far, i have a mate whos running a turbo on ek without an intercooler for over 12 months, so heat isnt a problem on low boost...

[serpo]

i just wana cruise down the street goin zzzzZZZZZZCCCHHHSSSSSSSHHHH lol

[040501912]

....DO NOT put it on until u can afford the rest of the things u need to make it reliable and working how it should otherwise u might do more harm then good

Thats what I HAVE been saying to him .. but .. he would go forwards with it..

New engine 2000 + labour
Others ... ??? $$$

CAR will run !! definately but will not reliable as what it should be ... risking of breaking your engine because you being a tight pocket..

simply put .. if you cant afford it .. DONT do it !! go other routes .. N/A or something :)

im trying to save up you money in longer run not to put you off ...

*peace

[rnbguy]

sweet thanx for the opinion, ive actually got a spare engine lying around for that event :) cost me $150 of my relo... not $2000 i wouldnt buy a d16y4 for that...
anyway, those saying DONT DO TURBO, please DONT... just help out with how to make it possible... im 24 not 16 i only need to be told once :) , then its called a decision ive made to stick with...

sourcing parts can be cheap and will work out im sure of it...

[rnbguy]

fellas i noticed my engine read P2A5 on it? does it mean anything i should worry about for turbo setup /

[kraiye]

...

New engine 2000 + labour
Others ... ??? $$$
...
*peace

hmmm maybe a brand new built engine!
2nd hand stockie maybe $300.
grab a mate, a camera, masking tape and texta for labeling, an engine crane and IDY
out with the old... in with the not so old.

[040501912]

btw u can get a 2nd hand injectors from usa. for 100 buck for set of 4.. i bought mine from EBAY too LOL .. and its a recondition injectors.. might think of that?

[DLO01]

youll need to get some oil feed and return lines for the turbo, with a pressure restricter in the feed line. Ive read lots of stories about the high oil pressure in our honda motors can push oil out of the seals, and the pressure needs reducing. Please correct me if im wrong though...

Yes, you 'do' need a restrictor in the line to the turbo. Most modern turbos have restrictors built in to the turbo itself.

But you also need it as to not loose oil pressure/supply to you engine.

Just imagine you have 'no' restrictor. The oil pressure will take the easiest/shortest route, through oil line, through turbo, through drain pipe, back to sump.

You will starve pressue to the rest of you motor.

The restrictor in the turbo line serves as a resistance, enables pressue to the engine and feeds the the engine.

[DLO01]

There a US brand of radiator called Mishimoto, that makes performance radiators of excelent quality and for much less than Koyo and fluidine.

Sorry, picking on you Muzz. :p

I'll spin this around the other way.

You can get a better quality Fluidyne, Koyo, Pwr radiators from the states, for a 'fraction more' $ than Mishimoto sold in Aust.

You just need to look a little more. :thumbsup:

Don't ever buy from Australia or namely PWR. Prices are nearly double for what you can get the same thing or better from the US shipped door to door.

[kraiye]

if u dont want a boost guage or oil temp guage then fine but get an oil pressure guage for safety, u dont want this to drop with out you knowing.


Don't ever buy from Australia or namely PWR. Prices are nearly double for what you can get the same thing or better from the US shipped door to door.
i wish someone told me this a couple months ago :(

[rnbguy]

okay ill get oil pressure guage... you prolly right there

[Aza]

u dont have to listen to us, keep in mind though the people saying u should put in the money to do it properly are the ones that have turboed cars.

like i said i had a cheap turbo on my civic before hand (from previous owner) and like i said it was an embarrasment to turboed d's everywhere and so far has cost me 5000$ (on top off the original turboing) to fix it.

ps the list u have put up isnt very specific. and as for injectors, get them even if they are only 450cc. i was maxing out injectors on 7psi when i was really putting the foot down. and yes tuning is a part u shouldnt take lightly, BUT also is choosen the ecu to get tuned. u say u want to do a turbo for under 2000$ right? tunning and the ecu ALONE should cost u around 1500 (at least). injectors.... well brand new RC injectors 440cc are $553. i have gone over ur budget already.... i'll give u advise to get the turbo RUNNING, but dont expect it to be great/produce alot of power, and dont expect it to last that long.

As for cooling, u COULD get away with using stock radiator ect, but making it run cooler would be advised (might make ur engine last abit longer). Muzz has good advise especially about cooling.

[rnbguy]

yeah i understand, ive come from 2 factory turbo cars so kinda understand their maintenance, i thought its time i put my own one, thanx heaps for your words ...

i want you to know that i have 10 pages of replies here and every reply has been read over and over by myself and pretty much memorised to make sure i dont do anything wrong, or advise anyone of anything wrong, thats is why i held bak from providing a list before i was sure...

there is no need to ever think a reply is under appreciated...

with regards to ecu, i think ur not researching enough, ive looked into ordering a chipped ecu from americans ite for $200 AU shipped and just needs tunning on arrival...

we need to remember the car we are turboing is a civic not a top end car so it doesnt need the best of features, that being said we dont want engine life decreased by quite alot.

injectors??? im looking at second hand re-balanced and cleaned injectors for around $150 (within australia or outside)..

so now we're back under budget... the project continues.

[Aza]

yeah but as i said u have to choose the right ecu i wouldnt go for an ecu just becuase it is cheap.

if i were u i would be looking into a hondata s100 (the ecu that i am running) it is fairly well priced and are proven both here and in america (and other parts of the world). even so 200$ plus around 800$+ for the initial tune still puts the price well up there. ECU is a very important part of the turbo system

[rnbguy]

yeah defenitly orrr i could go a p28 ecu (or similar obd1) get a base map burnt onto the rom from over seas, bring it in, get a tuner to look at settings and re adjust them for my turbo setup.

[rnbguy]

---- ignore me ----

[rnbguy]

hey btw is anyone else in sydney thinking of doing this setup? if so maybe if ur up for it we'll meet up days i work on turbo so u can learn for ur car or u can bring it along etc.. and itll be a few clueless mechanics putting on turbos

[sendok]

try using the one with at least a brand people know, even it's not number 1 :D

[rnbguy]

u lost me sendok, using one what Specifically ?

[040501912]

something with branded items, thats what he means...
something that ppl know about not just a generic brand that we were not sure about the quality...

Concerning about injectors.. go ebay and find some used injectors and being reconditioned. i got my 440 cc of from 4g63 evo .. it was cheap and very good conditions and works flawlessly

for fittings you might try trial fit first wether it ligns up properly .. coz usually they might miss by few milmeters.

ECU, easier way is just to get a FIC fuel air control of ebay too .. they usually comes with Greddy, turbonetics kit.. small black box and they doesnt cost that much and doesnt require tuning .. as i say b4 it comes with the kit in USA, you dont need to retune or anything.. to save you up some more money. plug and play :)

[rnbguy]

nicee thats very helpful on the ecu ill look into it, so ur saying that kit will adjust to the turbo and setting etc without any tuning needed? thats sounds smarter then me :P

[040501912]

the black box .. FIC is included in some kits over states... they will usualy give more fuel in to compensate the bigger flow ... which means control the air fuel ratio.. in a turbo factory set up..
den look for MSD BTM which usualy comes with the kit to control your timming .. 0.5 retardation per 1 pound of boost..

you will be looking MAX $400-500 and you just plug it in.. DIY at your own back yard...

[040501912]

edit.. thats why some kits are not mean to be more than 6psi ! stated on the website.. coz they are using those configurations

Turbo kit + intercooler + FIC and MSD BTM... no injectors changed ..

I might be wrong here.. but that what i found out when i research for my turbo.. couple months back :)

Dont worry i was in the same state as you when comes to turboing car with little money .. im only 19 and full time uni student .. money is kinda tight LOL .. so i was finding ways to safe me money .. but luck turns arround :p

[rnbguy]

thanx dood, can anyone verify this info?

btw it seems like all those kits are the full turbo kit which i dont want, do u think it possible to source just those ecu needS?

[040501912]

http://www.shopatron.com/product/product_id=TUR15118/399.0.19193.2109.0.0.0 turbonetics

look at the picture they have .. there is FIC (black box) and MSD BTM (red)

i know its a small pictures :p u should able to see it.. and look at the specifications they had..

[rnbguy]

which is cheaper out of curiousity, i dont care feature wise... turbonics or greedy or apexi (if apexi is possible)

[040501912]

which is cheaper out of curiousity, i dont care feature wise... turbonics or greedy or apexi (if apexi is possible)

What do you mean by this ? the parts or the ecu's?
i

[Aza]

yea with that kinda of system it pretty much will only work 100% if u use the parts in the kit and to run the psi which they configue it to. in other words if ur getting parts from everywhere its not a good idea to use one as the configuration will not be for ur parts which means it wont run how it should.

[040501912]

^^ true .. but at least try to get as close as it gets.. wouldn be so bad laah

[Aza]

and this would be one of the main things that will affect how long ur system will last. honestly ur "cheap" setup will last alot longer with a decent ecu and tune.

when turboing an engine that was never meant to handle boost from stock u shouldnt be cutting so many corners just becuase its the "cheap" option.

[rnbguy]

yeah im going for p28 with a tune over that option

hey my mate has a manifold and cant tell if its B16 or D16 turbo mani, any quick way to know by physical apearance... (sounds dumb but long story )

[serpo]

hey guys im in same possition as rnbguy here, can we use Apexi NEO, will it tune our turbos in (remember where not after like the best Civic or CRX out lol)

[Aza]

get a pic and post it up

[rnbguy]

okay here it is:

http://users.tpg.com.au/adsla90h/Image040.jpg

[rnbguy]

okay gues thats a hard one to figure out , btw with injectors, i was thinking of going GTR injectors, but im thinking for 5-6psi that might not be neccessary... what are prelude vtir injectors rated at? will they work (do i need resistor box) also what other injector options should i look into

[Aza]

i have never seen that one befor but looks like it will go right one (judging by the gasket). i dont no much about b series motors so im not sure if they use the same pattern though..... but either way judging by the pics it will fit perfectly

[rnbguy]

ahh okay? can anyone be 100%? on this?

also im curious would sr20det (turbo) or standard ca18det injectors fit? i know the rain wont, what would i need to do?

[040501912]

zzzzzzzzz whats the diffrence between chiped p28 and FIC and MSD?? p28 is chiiped to do the fueling same as the pigy back right? they are pre chipped set up to the chiped it self.. unless u have the program to reprogram it

[rnbguy]

yeah i was thinking either way they both need retuning... so their similar options. similar prices i think??? except p28 can be found cheaper in australia then the FIC and MSD i think!! not sure

[kraiye]

it does look like a D gasket on your mani but then again i've never seen a B gasket.
maybe if u flipped the mani over so others can see the surface that mounts to the head, then a B series person may be able to shed some light

[rnbguy]

its stainless steal, would that be better quality or the cast one on ebay mensioned before

[rnbguy]

http://turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=35630&highlight=injectors

this is good for injectors, im so confused which to get

[040501912]

i guess your question was.. saturated or peak and hold ?
make sure the plug is plug n play .. usualy they have diffrent plugs to put in on the injectors cables..
obd 0
obd I
obd II
dont forget new o-rings

[rnbguy]

nah im trying to figure out which car to get injectors off thatll fit ours.. like of a sr20 etc... which car???? which injector????? :( i know CC i need to meet but what about the actual injector how would i know if itll fit or not?

[kraiye]

its stainless steal, would that be better quality or the cast one on ebay mensioned before
if your buying from ebay, cast is safer. from what i've heard the stainless ones commonly crack but you could be lucky, i'm sure they dont all break.
performance wise, apparently ram horns are the best and cast performs the least because ram horn style acts like extractors leading to your turbo.

[rnbguy]

thanx dood, well manifold is the least of my concerns , i think im worried now about injectors, im gonna by a set of cordia turbo 500cc injectors and hope to make em fit

[kraiye]

dont forget to get the plugs with them!!!

[rnbguy]

sure, is there nething i should look at when looking for injectors from other cars? thatll help me know if they'll fit our engines

[Muzz]

okay here it is:

http://users.tpg.com.au/adsla90h/Image040.jpg

Looks exactly like this is the manifold here-
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-91-92-93-99-2000-CIVIC-CRX-D16-T3-T4-MANIFOLD-HEADER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33631QQihZ002QQi temZ120115432332QQrdZ1#ebayphotohosting
If it is infact this manifold, that places a huge question mark over its durability. While it is of a better design reguarding flow paths, than a cast ebay mani, which will help with turbo spool i believe, id never heard anything good about stainless steel ebay manifolds, especially ones which go for so cheap brand new.

Theres been millions of threads all over the internet "my cheap, stainless steel, tubular ebay manifold has cracked" so many so that turbod16 has stickied a thread in the turbo setups page for everyone to complain in, to stop the repeated over and over again threads. You will be able to find tons on honda-tech aswell reguarding tubular ebay manifolds cracking.

While the cast manifolds you can get dont have such great flow paths, they are rock solid, and wont crack, many people have used the same cast manifold for years and they can hold up to some good punishment. The're very durable:thumbsup: .

But who knows, if you can pick it up for $50-60, it might be worthwile to get it and give it ago, but from what ive read about such cheap tubular turbo manifolds, its just a question of time before it cracks and your left needing another manifold.

[Muzz]

if your buying from ebay, cast is safer. from what i've heard the stainless ones commonly crack but you could be lucky, i'm sure they dont all break.
performance wise, apparently ram horns are the best and cast performs the least because ram horn style acts like extractors leading to your turbo.

:thumbsup:

[SLOWEGG]

sure, is there nething i should look at when looking for injectors from other cars? thatll help me know if they'll fit our engines

You need top feed injectors, u can use GSR ones which are 440s i think. Make sure u get the o rings and the plugs are the same as your plugs. If not just chop it off and use it on your car.

[rnbguy]

thanx for post im just going to order a cast one from overseas as that seems more durable...

with injectors ive ordered DSM ones from america with plugs, im figuring out if i need a resistor box too..

al good so far
:)

[rnbguy]

next thing on shopping list... intercooler piping... ive seen a few aliminium ones on ebay (america) which i want im just curious if anyone has any tips on what to look for, theres heaps of sizes, i think my turbo (TD04L) needs 2" not sure where to find the info so might have to measure the turbo outlet itself... but problem is most of this piping sold is 2.25" and above... so wondering what may need to be done to alow connections...

[040501912]

err... why dont u get from ebay au ? cheaper in shipping and both made in china?
2.5" sizing doesnt really matter.. u can buy the reducer connectors .. :S

those pipe u are given .. are not straight fit to ur car ... u must cut them or modify them to fit .. its a universal pipe .. can fit on many car ... means .. u might need some modification on it .. like U bend or 90 bend

[rnbguy]

yeah i figured, i hope their not too hard to shape or may have to get someone (family panel beater) to do it... about au vs us

i see au morons on ebay ask $300+ US users ask $70US+$30 shipping... uno where my money is being invested...

what im confused about, is what the difference is between the ones advertised with "civic" in title and others with just universal in title...

btw thanx for info on reducer connector (slipped my mind)

[kraiye]

$30 shipping wont be shipping to .au, it's gonna be a LOT more than that, but still well under $300 mark :thumbsup:

i'll try & get some pics of my td04l piping and dimensions tomorrow so you can see the shape & curves in the pipes and compare it to the ebay piping. i got a bit to do so dunno if i'll get a chance.

[rnbguy]

nice one dood, were doing same turbo setup... ill wait for those dimensioned they'd help amillion man

[Muzz]

Yeah Kraiye:thumbsup: a rough idea of those dimentions would help me an absolute ton aswell!

[040501912]

hemp inter cooler i bought of my car .. is $120 au .. 2.5" inlet outlet .. from ebay au.. and works quiet well and doesnt look dat bad either .. brand new china made LOL ... *tight budget*

people use silicone sometimes for their piping .. like AVO kits.. so .. if you cant get them in right places.. just use them :) until u sort out more money i guess

[rnbguy]

silicone can that handle the heat? i dont think thatd be reliable at all

[SLOWEGG]

Im using silicone, no problems at all. Its pretty thick stuff, its like 5-10mm thick.

[rnbguy]

nice, how much did it cost u for the lot? im actually thinking bout using it after a bit more research ..... just waiting for measurement and then going to look at best place to buy it from...

im also thinking of trying to set up a group buy for the manifold+downpipe for a turbo d series, to save us shipping... not sure how thatd go

[kraiye]

have you found a manifold to suit the tdo4? do they just use a t3/t4 flange cause that seems to be what most of the mani's are for

[rnbguy]

yeah im not sure if they use those flangs, if not u can just get a TD04L flang for $15 *cheap*

are you up for a group by on that downpipe plus manifold + flang

[Muzz]

If any of you guys are after second hand intercoolers, PM me, i know somone with a few to get rid of.

[rnbguy]

jsut reading this golden post:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43515&highlight=turbo

hope its similar for EK... anyway havent finished reading it yet... i was wondering he mensions a "Johnny Racecar fmic" which would be a direct bolt on, id prefer something similar to that (bolt on) any suggestions on this?

[rnbguy]

also im curious this is the fuel pump i need right?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Walbro-USA-Fuel-Pump-SUBARU-WRX-STI-EVO-MITSUBISHI-MX6_W0QQitemZ220106943997QQihZ012QQcategoryZ43807Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[kraiye]

yeah im not sure if they use those flangs, if not u can just get a TD04L flang for $15 *cheap*

are you up for a group by on that downpipe plus manifold + flang

i've got my whole kit. the only reason it's not in is because i wanna do minime first and also i'm a bit sus on the turbo. i'll have to get someone to look at it to make sure it's ok.

[rnbguy]

which fuel pump did u get? and intercooler you got is it a bolt on one? if so which one is it?

[kraiye]

i dunno man i bought my kit 2nd hand of OH. it's kinda dodgy but it was cheap.
dunno what the fmic is, no branding on it. don't have a fuel pump and apparenly i got larger injectors but i dont know how big LOL

btw: any one up for a group buy on racing timing belts?
GATES BLUE RACING TIMING BELT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AAU%3A1&viewitem=&item=270117054590)
US$49.95. Postage for 1 is $25.
Thats about $65 and $30 the way the AU$ is atm.

[rnbguy]

Muzz u gotta pm dood...

guys i need help with this question if you goto these instructions:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...ighlight=turbo

he mensions gtting an intake manifold to connect all those pipes, where are they all routed too? please help me know this, i just wanna make sure this process is cooll

btw just an update im getting a walbro fuel pump...

[kraiye]

Muzz u gotta pm dood...

guys i need help with this question if you goto these instructions:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...ighlight=turbo

he mensions gtting an intake manifold to connect all those pipes, where are they all routed too? please help me know this, i just wanna make sure this process is cooll

btw just an update im getting a walbro fuel pump...

link = dead y0

[rnbguy]

hmm try this:

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1263795

[SLOWEGG]

You can get the walbro fuel pump from JDMYard. As for your front mount, just measure how much room you have at the front before buying one.

[kraiye]

my fmic measures about 750x200x80 and fits snug without cutting any metal.

my td04l has 2.5" inlet and 2" outlet. the pipe to the throttle body is also 2.5" and i'm pretty sure it is a flush fit.
i'd say the best bet is to grab 2.5" intercooler piping and a fmic with 2.5" inlet/outlet so you only need one 2.5" to 2" reducer hose. then the rest will match up

[rnbguy]

how long are your pipes and which angles did you get and how many of each

thanx

u wanna cheap ecu for a obd2 why is that btw? ive got a p2k are they modifiable for this stup?

[DLO01]

i'd say the best bet is to grab 2.5" intercooler piping and a fmic with 2.5" inlet/outlet so you only need one 2.5" to 2" reducer hose. then the rest will match up

For ease and simplicity this is fine.

But going 2'' to 2.5" then opening up into the intercooler is not the best way for flow.

Its best to go the same size pipe into the intercooler. ie. 2" pipe to 2" pipe going it to intercooler.

[rnbguy]

sweet i just need exact pipe measurement, angles and quantity if possible that you purchased for an EK civic, thanx again

[rnbguy]

still curious about that intake manifold mensioned earlier

[040501912]

lol .. ur not going high boost? just get a small intercooler .. like of stock skylines or supras..

or u can use Core
Dimensions: 600mm X 250mm X 60mm with 2.5 inlets .. should be alrite :)

[rnbguy]

yeah i got a side mount for now of my mates 180sx :) $20 perfect condition, ahh thank god for mates :)

SOMEONE ANSWER MY QUESTION PWEEZZZZ WHAT IS THE INTAKE MANIFOLD with all those hoses plugged into it

[NeRV]

Are you talking about the golden eagle vacuum manifold?
Its just there to make vacuum wiring easier by getting it all at one source instead of taping it off your intake manifold and t-ing it.

Since your on a budget you wont need this item.

[040501912]

I think he asking about the angles and the lenght of the pipe he needs..

personally u better check ur engine bay .. if there is space to do it ..
1 X U bend
4 X 90 deg bend
2 X 135 deg bend
and few of long ones ..

try to not use Iron based pipe.. they will rust over time and screwed ur engine .. as it sucked in

use aluminium since its cheap and u can use sillicon connectors to joint them. stainless steel is over ur budget for sure..

Another way ... is just use sillicone joints .. bends and connectros .. and just use a straight pipe that u cut! make sure it fits on ur car :)

[040501912]

LOL lucky i havent chuck this away hahaha .. I was doing my homework lastime for getho style turbo and go here too

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/turbo_projects/
find ur engine code an see what they have done :)

http://www.customcivics.com/articles.php?ID=26&page=1
and you might want to read this link or print them out .. it will help you step by step of getho style turbo :p like what u are doing

[NeRV]

haha nothing beats a turbo build on a budget!

[rnbguy]

hahha i know i know its tite ass but trust me its proving to be quite interesting... ive seem HMT there a piece of trash at that forum and its made me not want any of their help to be honest... but i did look at site neway :Pu

u guys are both right i was asking bout eagle intake, and pipes, without eagle intake how will i know what to do with those hoses, he doesnt really explain it that step in instructions.

[rnbguy]

thanx for pipe dimensions ill go with something like that :)

[rnbguy]

nerv i have an idea of what your saying and can picture it i think ill go look in engine bay and try draw myself a diagram of how to T it etc... ne input is good thanx

[NeRV]

no worries buddy, im still learning about all of these, i havent put my kit together still researching.. and i once found vacuum lines to be confusing.

Its really hard and takes awhile to explain so im just grabbing info from other places.

"Alright I have a question guys regarding vaccum lines .

1. the bov is never to be connected to the turbo or is it? I have heard several mixed opinions.

2. My turbo has two nipples, one to the wastegate to control boost and another that is to go to a vacuum source or to the bov. If it is not meant to go to the bov, where is it supposed to go???

The BOV is meant to go to a vacuum source, which i had connected right but im beginning to second guess myself.

3. Are both meant to be connected ot vacuum?

4.What do i do with the valve cover nipple. WHere can i route it to?>? Is this the famous catchcan , or can i just put a filter on it.

I need definite answers, believe me i have done my research but i keep on getting mixed results etc."

[NeRV]

1. the bov is never to be connected to the turbo or is it? I have heard several mixed opinions.

on my turbonetics raptor bov i have a line run from the turbo (compressor housing) to the bottom nipple on the bov and a line run from the manifold (vacuum) to the top nipple on the bov

2. My turbo has two nipples, one to the wastegate to control boost and another that is to go to a vacuum source or to the bov. If it is not meant to go to the bov, where is it supposed to go???

The BOV is meant to go to a vacuum source, which i had connected right but im beginning to second guess myself.

if your bov has one nipple, connect it to a vacuum source from the manifold. if it has two, connect the lower one to compressor housing and upper one to manifold vacuum. do not connect a hose from the compressor housing to the manifold.

3. Are both meant to be connected ot vacuum?

both nipples on turbo housing? no


4.What do i do with the valve cover nipple. WHere can i route it to?>? Is this the famous catchcan , or can i just put a filter on it.

slap a breather filter on it and if it leaks oil start looking into getting a catch can

Source link: http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=33529&highlight=vacuum+lines
Extra link: http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=31813&highlight=vacuum+lines

[NeRV]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/NeRV07/vacuum-1.jpg

Heres a quick picture i drew on what my understandings are for my setup, using an EBC (electonic boost controller). This is how my EBC's manual displayed its diagram for installation, but the manual is in Japanese therefore im unable to read or have a full understanding as there are many other diagrams for different setups.

I added the brake booster and vacuum manifold as a display of its purpose, where it has several ports for vacuum sources.

I also found this which might be of help, Taken from turbod16.com, this one is using a MBC (manual boost controller)

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h273/Clwtwizted/vacume.jpg

[kraiye]

rnbguy: go back to the link you posted:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1263795
looks like he's essentially got 3x90's, 2x135's and a 'u' bend (plus some straight bits in between). those one's off ebay still have to be cut up and custom fitted. u could use a bunch of silicon joiners but if you imagine a joiner having to be used at the start and finish of each bend, that's about 11 joiners as per the setup on the honda-tech forum. at $10-20 each, that's gettin pricey

my piping is custom made 2" welded steel (YUK!!!) it's fugly, heavy and probably gonna rust on me. yay

it's a lil different is design and hugs the car better but there's a pretty sharp 'u' bend which i dont like to much :(
a set up like mine looks like it'd use 4x90's, 3x135's, 1x'u' & 3 straight (plus whatever you use for intake pipe)

i dont have any length measurements for you but if you're in bris your welcome to come have a look.

my fmic fits without having to cut the car (except for some plastic off the inside of the bumper). it's about 750x200x80

[040501912]

ahhaha better not use steel :p its fugly and rusty ... LOL ..

like kraiye said .. ebay has those bends .. but it will going to cost you arround 300 bucks for alum pipe to put them together .. with the silicones too .. still cheaper than 1000 buck custom SS pipe.

[rnbguy]

yeah i get ya, i got quoted by my local shop $250 fitted steel setup, but yeah im kinda put off it a bit, buttt keep in mind this is a budget set thats meant to work good not look good :)

itll take a while to rust im sure by then ull prolly sell car... okay those piping dimensions are good for a start, i guess itll be a little different because im running a side mount, i might have to just look in engine bay, pull out bumper one night and try to get measuring tape and draw up a diagram thatll fit this

im thinking of getting this:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/2-TURBO-INTERCOOLER-PIPING-KIT-DIY-COUPLERS-CLAMPS_W0QQitemZ180114720876QQihZ008QQcategoryZ438 08QQcmdZViewItem

plus a 1 metre straight aluminium pipe of another guy for extra $33.

and 2 reducers to join those pipes to cooler, i dont mind cutting up aluminium at all just wanna be smart at how i do it :P

NERV thanx heaps for that info dood, that rocks, drawing ability isnt bad too :P

ill prolly run a manual boost controller ...

anyone with a turbo civic in sydney? that may have pics of engine bay? orrr i might come around take a look at setup etc.. if not thats cool... project continues..

[rnbguy]

my concern now is ecu,

im thinking of going crome bcuz at turbod16.com their obsessed with it, so i can get their help and they seem helpful too...

problem is i was reminded by a techy on here that american mapping will run richer... so here is what im going to do, ill order a tuned obd1 ecu from america then plug it to my car and hope it works, if not ill tune it...

but its not thats simple, im worried about 2 things:

plugs on my ecu are p2d plugs... would a simple harness provided in america to allow obd2 cars to run obd1 ecus work or should i wire it myself with the help of this diagram:

http://turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=8133&highlight=

then, if the ecu isnt tuned as good as i hoped, who can i take it to, i dont think crome or obd2 tuning places really exist in australia do they? btw i got quoted $800+ for a dyno tune, any idea where i can get it done cheaper?

orrr

would it be wiser/cheaper to order a tuning kit from ebay america and tune it...

also ive been told that crome will manage boost, would it be smart to also run a manual boost controller? or could it conflict at all?

hope this post made sense :I

[040501912]

i got a emanage blue pm me if you wants it.. i give you the price will not be expensive lol!!
it comes with all the harness
main loom
ignition
timming
Cd Rom
All you need to do is to retune it and it wont cost more than $500 to retune
just use manual boost controller. or bleed valve they work quiet well :)

[rnbguy]

due u got pm, but for now, is anyone here running crome? or have more info on the issues mensioned above

[kraiye]

how long are your pipes and which angles did you get and how many of each

thanx

u wanna cheap ecu for a obd2 why is that btw? ive got a p2k are they modifiable for this stup?

i'm after a standard CXi ecu. if it's broken... even better!
i'm gonna rip it open and take out the plugs to make a conversion harness. the rest of the actual ecu will get tossed in the bin!

[Aza]

kraiye i stil have my ecu mate

ps no real useful information from me in this post :)

but i will add for my vaccum setup i have added 4 vaccum fittings into the back of intake manifold, if u want i can do a diagram of how my vaccum goes

[rnbguy]

aza yesssssssssssss pleaseeeeeeee :)

more diagrams the better, along this im preparing a write up and including all these diagrams.

[creativepunka]

im thinking of going crome bcuz at turbod16.com their obsessed with it, so i can get their help and they seem helpful too...

problem is i was reminded by a techy on here that american mapping will run richer... so here is what im going to do, ill order a tuned obd1 ecu from america then plug it to my car and hope it works, if not ill tune it...
plugs on my ecu are p2d plugs... would a simple harness provided in america to allow obd2 cars to run obd1 ecus work or should i wire it myself with the help of this diagram:
then, if the ecu isnt tuned as good as i hoped, who can i take it to, i dont think crome or obd2 tuning places really exist in australia do they? btw i got quoted $800+ for a dyno tune, any idea where i can get it done cheaper?
would it be wiser/cheaper to order a tuning kit from ebay america and tune it...
also ive been told that crome will manage boost, would it be smart to also run a manual boost controller? or could it conflict at all?
hope this post made sense :I


Why would your ecu run rich with a us tune?? Just remember that the JDM and the USDM ecus are slightly different. Why dont you just get an OBD1 ecu, dizzy and harness. Then modify it for chrome and get a base map off a US chip burner. The only problem is theres no one that tunes them (that i know of). If you decide to tune yourself it could cost you more in dyno time than an after market ecu. I want to run crome on my eg d16T but because my car was carby i would need all the harness's,ecu and a dizzy for obd1 which would cost more than its worth. I v decided to go microtech, everyone plays with them. I think hondata would be your best bet.

[rnbguy]

just stuck with a SAFC

ive split this project into 3 major sections:
(1 and 2 criss cross)

1) sourceall parts
2) piece parts with stock engine in place (N/A)
3) plug in the turbo

so now ive got injectors 370CC of a ca18dett
intercooler (SMIC) of a ca18dett
Apexi SAFC
turbo TD04L (off a wrx)
manifold (stainless steel MONSTA will have to bracket the turbo so that it doesnt put weight on manifold which cane cause it to crack as its not best of quality obviously)

i will continue to source other parts while thats happening i will install what i can, firstly the injectors, then SAFC and mount the intercooler (not connected obviously)

any tips on those three steps before i look into getting cracking? keep in mind im not doing this step for gains just to get started thats all

[040501912]

safc and emanage not much diffrent in value :p better of with emanage can control timming and injectors .. while safc only air correction figures

safc will advance timing which give you knocking .. more chance of you srcew up your pistons for detonations.

[rnbguy]

emanage just seems too complicated with having to build a map and all i really actually just needed something to plug and play myself without a full on tune... i might look into getting a mtd timming retard system to help apexi but that might come later...

[040501912]

emanage just seems too complicated with having to build a map and all i really actually just needed something to plug and play myself without a full on tune... i might look into getting a mtd timming retard system to help apexi but that might come later...

HAHAHA finaly you follow what i said in the begining ... :p .. ive been telling you the last couple of pages i think to use them ;) for a cheap set up with low boost ...

i've found some safc set up for ur car last time but i think i lost the page .. lol
its the set up for SAFC to run with turbo while you using the msd retard to 0.5 / psi boost you have.

[rnbguy]

yeapp thats exactly what im doing, sorry i didnt pay attention before mate, im learning that now...

[rnbguy]

man those msd btm's are amazingly hard to find second hand!!!

[040501912]

tried Ebay Au ? they are like $200 Au usually. or something around that price to o on ebay US

[rnbguy]

yeah ebay au has none of these, i might try U.S but i try keep most of my purchases here when possible, rather help out economy except when we're getting ripped off :)

[SLOWEGG]

You wouldnt want to go cheap on the ECU and tuning and your turbo is abit on the small side.

[rnbguy]

yeah i understand but dishing out $1600 on tunning+ecu for a little civic is a bit of an overkill to me...

"and you turbo is a bit on the small side"

not sure what u mean by that, do u mean the td04L turbo is small? which is fair enough but whats informative about saying that? does it require more tuning?

[rnbguy]

does anyone have any recomendations for a oil kit for my td04L?

[DLO01]

Oil feed/drain and water lines.

Put it together by yourself.

Go to Pirtek.

[rnbguy]

yeah figured something along those lines, just to check this is what i need:

oil drain line
oil gasket (to fit turbo end)
oil drain line flange (to fit turbo end)
weldless oil drain bung
oil T
small black screw/plug to plug up a hole on the T
oil feed line 3ft or so skinny ss line

[rnbguy]

wohoo bought everything i need and still under $1,000 spent... items are all reliable as far as low boost application is concerned..

still need oil query above answered so i can buy the right stuff for that, i havent bought anything for vacum (were eagle was used in honda-tech instructions) dont know what ill need there just yet...

[040501912]

KEWL !!! good on yaa.. hope seeing the working progress :p dun forget to put picts up !!

[kraiye]

Oil feed/drain and water lines.

Put it together by yourself.

Go to Pirtek.

No water lines on a td04l :thumbsup:

[rnbguy]

thanx mate, just an update ive now got an:

APEXi SAFC and
APExi SITC

total=$350AU (shipped) no need for a tuner charging my arms off, im just street racing :)

[040501912]

wow finaly dude !!

good on ya :) now u can have apexi sticker :p
is ur car vtec ?
should have gotten vafc :\

[rnbguy]

nah its not a vtec, Y4 block...

i got a vafc and safc (one will go to my brother) i dont know which one to use, but i might connect vafc incase i decide to go vtec later.

[rnbguy]

No water lines on a td04l :thumbsup:

dood im sure it does need water lines... do you have one urself?

[040501912]

is there 4 nipples or 2 nipples?

if its 2 nipples its only oil cool

[rnbguy]

btw heres a pic of exact turbo

http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t198707.html

[040501912]

yes its a water cooled :) and oil too :p

[rnbguy]

i know this is going to sound dumb, but how would i determine which connection is for which?

obviously the wastegate actuator to turbo inlet is obvious, but which is the drain and feeds for oil and water?

[kraiye]

dood im sure it does need water lines... do you have one urself?

yes i do have one. maybe it's a different model or off an older rex or something but it's definitely a td04l and it's definitely oil only.
from those pics it looks like yours is both though.

[rnbguy]

yeah im defenitly both, the thing im looking into now is whether I have to clock the turbo for better flow on this ek or not ... anyone?

[SLOWEGG]

Some of the older turbos never had water lines.

[rnbguy]

just an update ive now got everything i need including a LC-1:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com.au%3A80%2Fsearch%2 Fsearch.dll%3Fcgiurl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay .com.au%252Fws%252F%26fkr%3D1%26from%3DR8%26satitl e%3D190114403556%2B%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1&item=190114403556

which means i tune this baby myself.. money spend so far $1350

[NeRV]

nice man, post some pics when you have the time

[040501912]

The problem you will encounter is .. not havin the right Parts as it need some modifications, for certain parts to fit ur car.

I gather my parts about $2500 in total .. but it comes down to labour that kills me LOL !!!

so just cross your finger that your kit will fits perfect :p

[rnbguy]

yeah i know i hope the same too, ill be putting kit on mostly myself, and hopefully wont need help ... ill try do the most myself, if not then as far as i know most in labour (excluding tunning) will be $700... ill defenitly have pics, im contemplating making an instruction video or just a pic write up (pic is easier)...

in the meantime ill continue to ask heaps of questions and upset heaps of people :P but screw it i dont wanna blow my engine up :)

[SLOWEGG]

What about clutch? You will need one.

[040501912]

Let him wore it out first and save up few more money b4 changing the clutch :p

[rnbguy]

yeah ill defenitly need a new clutch but yeah ill use this one till its on its death bed then ill change it :) .. well not that bad but yea... so far here is what I have let me know if i forgot anything

HAVE:
370CC ca18Det Injectors
intercooler piping (will get exact measurements soon)
td04L turbo
turbo hosing + all fittings (internal wastegate)
downpipe (need to make o2 fitting)
wideband o2 sensor kit
VAFC
Apexi ITC (for those asking what that is, its for timming adjustments)
side mount intercooler
manifold t3
t3 manifold -> IHI turbo adapter

NEED:
Injector plugs
10W 10 ohm resistors
Brackets and bolts for intercooler
bolts for manifold to turbo (didnt come with turbo)
vacum hose to go from wastegate to turbo inlet
coolant piping to run coolant through turbo then back into TB
Air intake solution (kinda worried about going from 3" to 2" intercooler piping but ill have to do it , td04L has 2" inlet so sticking to that size for now)

NOT SO SURE YET:
clutch
fuel pump

Am I missing stuff, I know I am this is the best chance to remind me please so I dont come across something half way in middle of the night lol

[040501912]

New Engine oils, New Oil filter, you are going to take the oil sump off and please use fully synthetic oil!.
NPT fittings for ur turbo feeds. (use braided Lines!)
Return Bung and hoses (use silicon as it is huge MTF! ;)) need to weld on the sump!
Boost gauge see how much boost u got.. don't wont to go over right?
Boost Controller just get the mechanical 1 (ur stock gate might not be 5 psi)
Fuel Reg u need this to flow ur injectors abit more when the ITC controls it
new injectors rings get from honda i guess
make sure all your turbo bolts are tight!

LAST 1 IS
RED BULL TO GIVE YOU WINGS and ENERGY LOL !!!

thats what i can think atm, somebody complete it plz :p

[rnbguy]

New Engine oils, New Oil filter, you are going to take the oil sump off and please use fully synthetic oil!.
<<< THANK YOU WILL GET TODAY

NPT fittings for ur turbo feeds. (use braided Lines!) << ALREADY HAVE THANK YOU

Return Bung and hoses (use silicon as it is huge MTF! ) need to weld on the sump! << ALREADY HAVE


Boost gauge see how much boost u got.. don't wont to go over right?
<< VAFC COMES WITH BOOST GUAGE


Boost Controller just get the mechanical 1 (ur stock gate might not be 5 psi)
<< BOOST CONTROLLER CANT REDUCE BOOST BUT ONLY INCREASE IT SO MIGHT HAVE TO REDUCE IT AT ACTUATOR BOLT

Fuel Reg u need this to flow ur injectors abit more when the ITC controls it
<< DO I NEED THIS WITH THE VAFC???

new injectors rings get from honda i guess
<< NOT NECESSARY WILL BORE OUT OLD ONES AND USE THEM FOR NOW BUT WILL DO THIS IN FUTURE (ONCE FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE)

make sure all your turbo bolts are tight! << WILL DEFENITLY CHECK THIS<< THE BIG RING AROUND THE TURBO SEEMS TO BE TIGHT ITSELF BUT THE BOLT ON IT IS LOOSE, WILL RESEARCH IF THATS NORMAL

REDBULL<< NOT NECCESSARY GOT THE SIGHT OF THE TURBO TO GIVE ME WINGS :P

thanks heaps man very useful advise

[rnbguy]

im going to get a bov too, its better for the turbo

[040501912]

will sound piss weak on 5 psi :p

[rnbguy]

looks like with VAFC at 5-6 psi theres alotta ping so may have to run around 7-8 psi, by the looks of it...

[040501912]

the more psi u run the more ping u get !

[rnbguy]

from what ive read on homemadeturbo.com , the 8 psi range is friendly for the safc and is less risky, as long as timing is set correctly etc...

[kraiye]

i dont know for sure but i've been told by that running that amount boost wont require a fuel reg upgrade.

i guess see what happens when u tune it :p

[rnbguy]

i need to find the ecu diagram i cant do sh*t without it, and no1's helping with that thread :(

[rnbguy]

OKAY VAFC IS WIRED UP :) thanx ecu-man

im enjoying driving with -500mm/hg pressure reading :)

[rnbguy]

change of plans, gonna run rb20 t28 turbo instead, td04L is just tooooo small :)