Cusco Brake Stopper

[beeza]

I actually found this item on Ozhonda.Someone had fitted this to thier car and Highly recommened it,so I got one and It is so good :thumbsup: It takes the 'sponginess' out of the brakes by making Zero 'firewall flex' :cool:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l287/beeza2/DSCF1253.jpg

Fitted
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l287/beeza2/DSCF1501.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l287/beeza2/DSCF1258.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l287/beeza2/DSCF1259.jpg

[RCS 20L]

Looks like it is doing its job. Great pics buddy!

[Klayemore]

So how does it actually perform compared to not having it?

"takes the 'sponginess' out of the brakes" - do you mean when you stomp on the pedal it won't be... soft anymore?

[TEGNO1]

They work great when it comes to feel but i read somewhere that it causes the shock tower to flex changing the geametry of your suspension under brakes.
I think on that goes from the chassis rail to the MC will stop that.
Dont get me wrong i like them just a few thing to think about.

[beeza]

So how does it actually perform compared to not having it?

"takes the 'sponginess' out of the brakes" - do you mean when you stomp on the pedal it won't be... soft anymore?

I should have been more specific :eek:
It makes your brakes Firm as.Now I have 100% more confidence to get on my brakes hard because they will be there,real firm,solid.
It makes a world of difference.Without it I was considering a big brake upgade but $$$.
This $150 item of ebay solved that problem :thumbsup:.
I remember when I saw it on here the guy who had it on his car said he now has complete confidence to go down the steep hill at the national park knowing his brakes will be there if he has to stop suddenly.
No sponginess,Zero Firewall flex,100% Improvement.



They work great when it comes to feel but i read somewhere that it causes the shock tower to flex changing the geametry of your suspension under brakes.
I think on that goes from the chassis rail to the MC will stop that.
Dont get me wrong i like them just a few thing to think about.

Is that a bad thing... I'm a bit unsure what you mean :confused:

[beeza]

Looks like it is doing its job. Great pics buddy!

And Thank You :D

[bennjamin]

moved to the reviews thread.

[TEGNO1]

It doesnt add stopping power just feel.
The strut tower sheet metal flexes cause its attached to the stopper. changing the geometry of your suspension.(suspension attached to strut tower)
But for most applications its great so dont worry just something to look out for when racing but it does an amazing job of improving feel.
Top little product though how much and where any links.

[JasonGilholme]

Are cusco the only big company that make this sort of item??

[Ph@t-G]

Thanks beeza for the review. Have been thinking about getting one for a while but just wasn't sure in terms of value for money...

[beeza]

moved to the reviews thread.

Cheers Bennjamin


It doesnt add stopping power just feel.
The strut tower sheet metal flexes cause its attached to the stopper. changing the geometry of your suspension.(suspension attached to strut tower)
But for most applications its great so dont worry just something to look out for when racing but it does an amazing job of improving feel.
Top little product though how much and where any links.

Gotcha :thumbsup:


Are cusco the only big company that make this sort of item??

As far as I Know...



Thanks beeza for the review. Have been thinking about getting one for a while but just wasn't sure in terms of value for money...

No Worries Ph@t-G :thumbsup:

[Topendwarrior]

brake stopper are no substitute for a brake upgrade, they are only there to reduce firewall flex during very harsh brakings. it only makes the brake more responsive and that's all it does. brake line pressure & clamping pressure still remains the same hence braking performance does not change at all!

[JasonGilholme]

if it changes response isn't that change performance attributes in some way?

Doesn't increase stopping power but changes how that stopping power is used/available.

[dsp26]

brake stopper are no substitute for a brake upgrade, they are only there to reduce firewall flex during very harsh brakings. it only makes the brake more responsive and that's all it does. brake line pressure & clamping pressure still remains the same hence braking performance does not change at all!

thats correct!

further flex in the system can be removed when this is combined with braided brake lines ALL ROUND.

it's true about the confident bit... it will also help you notice a tad earlier if your pads have faded from high heat.

[dsp26]

if it changes response isn't that change performance attributes in some way?

Doesn't increase stopping power but changes how that stopping power is used/available.

it's equivalent to say.. the difference to a hydr and cable clutch... hydro is predictable whereas cable MAY have flex... but difference in response is noticable...

duno how else to put it.... Nylon fishing line compared to braided?

[Bludger]

the difference can't be explained, only felt, if ppl buy it, it won't be a waste of money IMO

[TheSaint]

mine didnt come with the little red stopper part =(

[Bludger]

some aren't meant to

[goforthandmultiplys2]

some aren't meant to
arent they...dc2, rawr, bludger...?

[Lukezen27]

Hey Guys

I've go one for my EG but there's there's things in the way

Anyone installed em on an EG5

Cheers

[Bludger]

move those "THINGS" out of the way :)

[zco]

any one know what the diff between the EK ones with ABS and for NON-ABS cars is ? im using a ITR Brake booster/MC, dont know which one to buy... my car has no abs but the brake booster was from a dc2r, which had abs.

[dsp26]

any one know what the diff between the EK ones with ABS and for NON-ABS cars is ? im using a ITR Brake booster/MC, dont know which one to buy... my car has no abs but the brake booster was from a dc2r, which had abs.

Mate thats tricky,

I was reading a thread on the EK scenario the other night with a fellow buying the ABS variant for the non ABS.. or vice versa.....

the bit where the pusher bolt goes in was too close to the booster so the variation would be a clearance issue.... but since you have dc2r booster then thats another boat.

best to visit a shop that sells them and 'borrow' them to line them up.

I took a risk in buying a JDM rhd DC2R stopper for my del sol and it fits, otherwise would have just sold it here hehehe


***EDIT*** Found the thread:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38393&highlight=brake+cylinder+stopper

[connorling]

do u guys rreally feel the difference????

i just fit it into my eg, i really dont feel the difference.

[Bludger]

I feel it.

you'll not get super powerful braking, its just a more direct feel of the brake pedal.

[beeza]

Yes definately,just what bludger said.

It's the 'firewall flex' that it stops,so maybe your firewall is stiff as?

Do U know a steep down sloping road you usually drive on?

This is a good test for it.You know when you go down a steep street,sometimes it feels like you have to put your foot through the floor for it to stop and it,this should take that away and the brake will be there.Therefore giving you confidence with the brake pedal.

[CB7_OWNER]

are these brake stoppers universal fit? or made for custom application per vehicle??

[shadou]

just out of pure curiosity how do you guys wind that little stopper onto the master cylinder ?
I had a job once on a GTR that had one of these installed and the stopper adjusted till max, needless to say it came in for braking issues where it was found that it was locking up at heat, after some time and investigation the push rod inside the master cylinder was bent so I'm just wondering has anyone had this problem as of yet ?

[DLO01]

The instructions state to leave a small gap between the stopper and the master cylinder.

The brake stopper would not be a contributer to the bent shaft in the master cylinder, unless it was installed wrong, which is pretty hard to do. The shaft and piston slide free, of the master cylinder and the stopper. The problem would have been from a part failure and/or from seazing promoting the bend. Hell, pushing as hard as you could on the brake pedal while the car is off in the garage could have initially caused it, who knows.

[shadou]

Well we didn't want to pursue the matter so we just came to the conclusion it was due to the brake stopper contributing to the bent rod, time is money in the industry as they say.

[beeza]

are these brake stoppers universal fit? or made for custom application per vehicle??

Custom per vehicle.

[riruiz_88]

The instructions state to leave a small gap between the stopper and the master cylinder.

The brake stopper would not be a contributer to the bent shaft in the master cylinder, unless it was installed wrong, which is pretty hard to do. The shaft and piston slide free, of the master cylinder and the stopper. The problem would have been from a part failure and/or from seazing promoting the bend. Hell, pushing as hard as you could on the brake pedal while the car is off in the garage could have initially caused it, who knows.

i didnt know that you need a gap between the stopper and the master cylinder. what size gap should you have?

[Lukezen27]

i didnt know that you need a gap between the stopper and the master cylinder. what size gap should you have?

Same :o

I've been running mine hard up against the master for like 5 years lol

[beeza]

Same...

'What cha talkin' bout Deano?' :)

[riruiz_88]

its the jap instructions hahah. i think i seen a picture on a cusco demo car with the brake stopper right on the brake cylinder. could be wrong but

[joyride]

did the cusco part come with bolts to fit onto the firewall or did you use your own?

[beeza]

It came with bolts! and the holes were already there on mine,so no drilling required!

[quadrio]

has anyone ever seen these for a rb2 odyssey??????????????

[T-onedc2]

has anyone ever seen these for a rb2 odyssey??????????????
Cusco site only lists RA1/2 models
http://www.cusco.co.jp/en/pdf/Brake%20master%20cylinder%20stopper_honda.pdf

[Bludger]

i didnt know that you need a gap between the stopper and the master cylinder. what size gap should you have?mine is just touching + a lil, lil bit more.

thats how it should be.

there should be no gap.

[riruiz_88]

so it shouldnt be tightened on the brake cylinder, just touching it?

[shadou]

I'm gonna go and say it should be touching and tightened a little not excessively.
I don't have one btw so my comment is void

[beeza]

Yeah,the idea is for zero movement,so it's gotta be nice and firm.Tight.

[Bludger]

I'm gonna go and say it should be touching and tightened a little not excessively.
I don't have one btw so my comment is voidlike I said, touching + half to one more turn.

no more, no less.

can't get any clearer:s

[Bludger]

Yeah,the idea is for zero movement,so it's gotta be nice and firm.Tight.you can keep turning the bolt and it will never get tight.

or if it does get tighter, your firewall is permanently bent already.

[beeza]

you can keep turning the bolt and it will never get tight.

or if it does get tighter, your firewall is permanently bent already.

Not mine aye Bludger.I remember I could tighten it more than what I expected,but not too much as to cause damage but now mine is as tight as it can go.
I definately believe what U are saying is correct but I know in my case afetr a few turns it is as tight as it could go.

I guess the trick here is to use common sense.Don't just keep tightening it.

[riruiz_88]

yes common sense is tru, you wouldnt tighten it as tight as you could cause the firewall needs to flex a lil bit. i can see where Bludger is coming from, other wise at long distance under high braking force this would could cause damage to your firewall/brake cylinder

[90LAN]

Are cusco the only big company that make this sort of item??

spoon make them too
in yellow

just get bigger brakes lol

[Riviera]

lol, im gunna make on of these up at work lol...
looks very simple

DIY ftw...

[beeza]

Yeah,forsure!

I've seen a couple of pics of home made jobs.I reckon without the screw in bit,it will still work ok but when it's screwed in and nice and firm it will work more effectively.You can easily imagine/envision that.Needs to be firm and tight to work effectively.
So when you push the brake pedal hard,it won't budge a bit.Tight.

[Lukezen27]

lol, im gunna make on of these up at work lol...
looks very simple

DIY ftw...
There so cheap I'm not sure its worth the trouble :p

I picked mine up for $70 bucks I think

[beeza]

True to dat!

[geeang]

Golden Eagle Master Cylinder Brace FTW! I want to get one made for RHD just like this design, looks quite sexy too.

http://www.goldeneaglemfg.com/images/atrex/gbb100.jpg

[beeza]

That looks like it's doing the job!

[sickvtec]

do i need to drill a hole behind the master cylinder mount it?

[T-onedc2]

no drilling required, just mounts on two studs at suspension top, remove existing cable bracket, tuck wires under the stopper and secure them with cable ties.

[anzai]

epic revive, but i was thinking of getting one of these until i read somewhere that it doesn't work on abs equipped cars...

can anyone confirm if these would work on a dc2r with abs?

cheers

[DLO01]

Yes it works. I had one on my DC2R.

*edit* heres a pic (disregard the scribble):
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/Misc/ResizeofDSC01381.jpg

[Bludger]

works.

worth it, that's debatable.

[DLO01]

I'm not even sure how much these are going for these days???

I actually liked mine. Brake obviously works the same with or without. Brake 'feeling' though is definatly better.

[Bludger]

I paid one or one twenty....... four or five years ago.

I reckon it was worth it.

Just saying it's debatable.

could make one, that will be value for money.

[beeza]

Definately worth it.

Wouldn't have made the thread otherwise.

[genkitofu]

would it fit if you have a tower bar and a struts bar? just curious

[Bludger]

It bolts to the 2 front UCA bolts.

you can decide if it fits or not for yourself from this picture.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/Misc/ResizeofDSC01381.jpg