GReddy Kit + D16Y1 SOHC VTec E-manage Untuned = 97.5WKW Not Bad!!

[Lukezen27]

so where are the 1/4 mile times?:cool:

Yeah Limbo!!! :p

[Limbo]

well if someone wants to help with tiling & painting then i can goto the track and get some times

[B147ch]

yo luke, got quoted $3,300 shipped FTW ramhorn turbo kit.
missing injectors and hondata.
any suggestions?

[Limbo]

injectors add about $450 & $1,000 for ECU + $850 for tuning.

Did it come with fuel pump? if not another $165

[Lukezen27]

yo luke, got quoted $3,300 shipped FTW ramhorn turbo kit.
missing injectors and hondata.
any suggestions?

lol

I'll PM you all you need tonigh when I get home

[B147ch]

sweet.. cheers..
heh boosted civ all the way heh..^_^

[Lukezen27]

sweet.. cheers..
heh boosted civ all the way heh..^_^

GReddy Kit
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GREDDY-TURBO-KIT-92-95-HONDA-CIVIC-EX-PN-11550021A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ012 QQitemZ220210463930QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

RC 440cc injectors
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RC-INJECTORS-440CC-99-00-HONDA-CIVIC-SI-DOHC-B16A2_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em122QQcate goryZ33554QQihZ020QQitemZ300219043649QQrdZ1QQsspag enameZWD2V

FMIC Piping
FMIC
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B-SERIES-INTEGRA-CIVIC-DEL-SOL-TURBO-FMIC-PIPING-KIT_W0QQitemZ270232362276QQcmdZViewItem

Not to sure about that one as the guy I used is no longer listed

[fatboyz39]

well if someone wants to help with tiling & painting then i can goto the track and get some times


so you do tiling and painting on a wednesday night? from 6pm-10pm?

Don't be scared to run a shit times, everyone does it.

[Limbo]

i've been tiling every night from 7:30 to 10pm. I only get home at 7pm, have dinner & then work on the house. There is always seems to be more to do

[B147ch]

GReddy Kit
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GREDDY-TURBO-KIT-92-95-HONDA-CIVIC-EX-PN-11550021A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ012 QQitemZ220210463930QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

RC 440cc injectors
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RC-INJECTORS-440CC-99-00-HONDA-CIVIC-SI-DOHC-B16A2_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em122QQcate goryZ33554QQihZ020QQitemZ300219043649QQrdZ1QQsspag enameZWD2V

FMIC Piping
FMIC
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B-SERIES-INTEGRA-CIVIC-DEL-SOL-TURBO-FMIC-PIPING-KIT_W0QQitemZ270232362276QQcmdZViewItem

Not to sure about that one as the guy I used is no longer listed

sweet.. thanks bro..

[Lukezen27]

sweet.. thanks bro..

You know you can install that kit and boost that day without the extra parts added as its make to run on low boost before upgrades are :thumbsup:

[Lukezen27]

Hey Guys

Here's so info on my progress

Old actuator at 11psi
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car/dyno/120.9kw-02-02-2008.jpg



New actuator at 10psi
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car/dyno/119.4kw-05-05-2008.jpg

Clearly the new actuator helped a hell of a lot but still needs more..

Not sure if its the 2" exhaust or I need a electronic boost controller..

[destrukshn]

it's the 2inch exhaust man.
ditch it and go for a 2.5 inch.

[Lukezen27]

it's the 2inch exhaust man.
ditch it and go for a 2.5 inch.

First thing on my list when I get back from Thailand...

[Limbo]

i'm only running a 2 1/2 you know.
Dunno if i should increase the exhaust, but i'm trying not ot spend too much on the car now.

[Weq]

You are loosing like 2- or 3psi up top. and boosting 500rpm later with that new actuator. I think you are one of the few people who have ever upgraded the greddy actuator. Its known to be weak, but people have goten 14psi out of them.. My stock one was fine for 11psi, once wound up to hold 8psi off the actutor. Solid till redline. Boost controller is the deciding factor. I used a profecb spec A and B, only the B would hold till redline. U can also try the turbosmart eboost, HKS EVC, blitz ID, apexi avcr. I wouldnt run anything else.

[Weq]

Oh and your exhaust is defaintly holding your power back in the upper rev range.

My first graph had basically the same boost curve are your first graph:

http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car/dyno/120.9kw-02-02-2008.jpg

http://users.bigpond.net.au/weq/dynocivic.jpg

You can see u are making peak power quicker with the 2" (more low down torque), with about the same spoolup (cause i had a stagger 2.5" downpipe) but topend, you can see the car breaths alot better. At redline my car was making 7-8psi. At 4500rpm it was 10psi. tapered off cause of the turbosmart MBC.

[Lukezen27]

Yeah I have an eboost-2 on my eBay watch list :thumbsup:

And 2.5" sitting on my deck..

Once I get back from Thailand both with be done...

My actuator was so weak I'm amazed it held any boost, I could put it out with my little finger unlike the new one..

I think even without a controller and 2.5" the higher rev's the actuator should hold up.. But yeah Electronic Boost is really the only answer...

[Limbo]

hey Luke is it the smaller one or the larger one?
If you get a 2 1/4" one wanna swap for a 2 5/8" one???
I'll even throw in the cup for it.

[Lukezen27]

hey Luke is it the smaller one or the larger one?
If you get a 2 1/4" one wanna swap for a 2 5/8" one???
I'll even throw in the cup for it.

Oh maybe

Your girlfriend got yours for ya right?

[Lukezen27]

2.5" booked for next Sat with Hakan at Performance Exhaust!!

Couldn't help myself heheh

[Limbo]

lol if i had time i'd go by and see you.

Yeah the GF brought mine for me, but if i can swap with a 2" one then i can put them in my dash, out of view.
Mines pretty much brand new Adrian installed it for me, i'm sure you rem.

I'll even give you the gauge it replaces! (most likely oil temp)

[Lukezen27]

lol if i had time i'd go by and see you.

Yeah the GF brought mine for me, but if i can swap with a 2" one then i can put them in my dash, out of view.
Mines pretty much brand new Adrian installed it for me, i'm sure you rem.

I'll even give you the gauge it replaces! (most likely oil temp)

Just before I buy it I'll call ya but it won't be till I get back from OS

Hey what's Performance Exhaust address again I lost the dam thing you send me coze..

[Limbo]

Cool, that's fine cos i'm not really driving the car as i've been busy just renovating, how long you gonna be away for?

Performance Exhaust Centre
All Exhausts - Custom Made & Accessories.
Unit B6/23- 25 Windsor Rd Northmead NSW 2152 - get directions
ph: (02) 9683 5688

[B147ch]

damn that dyno is sexy!

[Lukezen27]

damn that dyno is sexy!

heheh Yes I like it :)


Cool, that's fine cos i'm not really driving the car as i've been busy just renovating, how long you gonna be away for?



Performance Exhaust Centre

All Exhausts - Custom Made & Accessories.

Unit B6/23- 25 Windsor Rd Northmead NSW 2152 - get directions

ph: (02) 9683 5688


Thanks for the info bro

I'll be away for just under 2 months

[Lukezen27]

2.5" Exhaust installed... :thumbsup:

Heres my new dyno with nothing ells touched not yet re-tunned

http://www.doubledynasystems.com/128.4kw%2010-05-2008.jpg

[kazam]

almost 8kw just off .5 inch"?

[Lukezen27]

almost 8kw just off .5 inch"?

Yup but the boost is also a bit higher now more air moves throw

[kazam]

good job bro! now u gotta get it to a strip and find sum times 2 play with to!

[Lukezen27]

good job bro! now u gotta get it to a strip and find sum times 2 play with to!

Hell yeah

Never been though so I'll sux lol

[kazam]

gotta start somewhere. GL!

[Lukezen27]

gotta start somewhere. GL!

lol guess so

Have been what how did ya go?

[kazam]

i've never been! still only rocking d16y1 was gunna get g-reddy kit like you, but i dunno, i need a new gbox, and im not allowed 2 drive boost foranother 2 years anyway, and i love the scream of DOHC vtec so im considering a b18c swap for now and in 2years swap boost that legit!

[Lukezen27]

i've never been! still only rocking d16y1 was gunna get g-reddy kit like you, but i dunno, i need a new gbox, and im not allowed 2 drive boost foranother 2 years anyway, and i love the scream of DOHC vtec so im considering a b18c swap for now and in 2years swap boost that legit!

If I was not with AAMI I would have gone a swap then boost but they don't allow different model engine swaps..

B16's only make like 30kw more boosted and the motors heavier anyway

[kazam]

i wanted 2 join the d-series boost club lol but i dunno, cant get enough of DOHC vtec >,<

[Lukezen27]

i wanted 2 join the d-series boost club lol but i dunno, cant get enough of DOHC vtec >,<

Man if you can't drive boost then for sure go the swap!!!!!!!

PS

Liverpool!!!!!

[kazam]

lol yeh but i llove a good flutter, we'll c wat happens will probly do the swap, p.s. uniited > liverpool, thats y we're top of the barclays and finals of the CL.. :)

[Lukezen27]

lol yeh but i llove a good flutter, we'll c wat happens will probly do the swap, p.s. uniited > liverpool, thats y we're top of the barclays and finals of the CL.. :)

Yeah I love rock'n the flutter!!

No BOV here :thumbsup:

[Sexc86]

woah luke!! 130wkw awsome stuff 13sec car easily there... just remember practise makes perfect when it comes to the 1/4. dont expect to run your best times strait up.

[Lukezen27]

woah luke!! 130wkw awsome stuff 13sec car easily there... just remember practise makes perfect when it comes to the 1/4. dont expect to run your best times strait up.

Thanks Lyle

13sec would be very nice but first my aim is low 14's

[aimre]

Yeah I love rock'n the flutter!!

No BOV here :thumbsup:


only after months on convincing from me

[Lukezen27]

only after months on convincing from me

Thanks Alex :p

How's ya bike going?

[Weq]

ur getting closer.

[Lukezen27]

ur getting closer.

Very close to my target....

Con Rods are the weakest part of the Y1's yeah?

Can forged ones be installed from the sump?

[Sexc86]

With rods i belive most if not all H-beam rods (eg EAGLE) require your block to be machined (notched) so the crankshaft can actually turn around. If not the H beams will not clear the internal block just under the water jacked. (lookup D16 SOHC block Notching for forged rods) You will see what i mean.

You would most likely need Ibeam (crower) or Xbeam (scat) to not require any block notching... This MAY mean you can do a bottom entry sump install.

Crower and Scat > Eagle. But much much more expensive.

Best just build your block properly man if your gonna open her up. Budget... vitiars pistons + eagle rods are very good value and some setups on turbod16 are even running close to 400whp

[Lukezen27]

With rods i belive most if not all H-beam rods (eg EAGLE) require your block to be machined (notched) so the crankshaft can actually turn around. If not the H beams will not clear the internal block just under the water jacked. (lookup D16 SOHC block Notching for forged rods) You will see what i mean.

You would most likely need Ibeam (crower) or Xbeam (scat) to not require any block notching... This MAY mean you can do a bottom entry sump install.

Crower and Scat > Eagle. But much much more expensive.

Best just build your block properly man if your gonna open her up. Budget... vitiars pistons + eagle rods are very good value and some setups on turbod16 are even running close to 400whp

Yeah man

I've been look'n at

Bottom End Kit
http://fjdistributors.com/product_in...roducts_id=170 (http://fjdistributors.com/product_info.php?cPath=38_46&products_id=170)

Forged Con Rods Need Notching of Block
http://fjdistributors.com/product_in...roducts_id=269 (http://fjdistributors.com/product_info.php?products_id=269)

Rated to make about 450whp

[beeza]

Awesome Luke!!!
I'm with AAMI too but if that's the case I'll just change companies... as long as it's not expensive I don't care who I'm with.Why did U want to stay with AAMI?

d-series boost or b-series is the million dollar question.Driving me mad!

[Lukezen27]

Awesome Luke!!!
I'm with AAMI too but if that's the case I'll just change companies... as long as it's not expensive I don't care who I'm with.Why did U want to stay with AAMI?

d-series boost or b-series is the million dollar question.Driving me mad!

Yeah I have a family thing with AAMI so I can't change, well I could be it would be a pain in the ass....

[beeza]

Ah I see.Those pistons etc in those 2 links are a great price as long as shipping isn't a killer.Buy em' both at the same time of coarse.Hopefully he will do a price.

[Lukezen27]

Ah I see.Those pistons etc in those 2 links are a great price as long as shipping isn't a killer.Buy em' both at the same time of coarse.Hopefully he will do a price.

Postage is $65 US :thumbsup:

I've e-mailed him already

I don't want to bother with Notching the Block so different Con rods will be needed and they will be a lot more costly

[Sexc86]

Crower.... but dont buy them down under. make sure you source from usa.

[Lukezen27]

Crower.... but dont buy them down under. make sure you source from usa.

lol I buy everything from the US :p

What do you think the bottom end kit?

[Weq]

lol I buy everything from the US :p

What do you think the bottom end kit?

Stay stock man. Stock, keep the tune updated and u will be safe for years to come. FJT is a pourto rican who has been flogging of these cheap kits for a few years now. Generally they are regconised as very good value for money, but its not a traditional build. Execpt any engine builders to scoff at the parts and tell u everything is clearenced wrong.. But the general consensious is it works.

My advice though is stay stock. Builder only if u need too.

[Lukezen27]

Stay stock man. Stock, keep the tune updated and u will be safe for years to come. FJT is a pourto rican who has been flogging of these cheap kits for a few years now. Generally they are regconised as very good value for money, but its not a traditional build. Execpt any engine builders to scoff at the parts and tell u everything is clearenced wrong.. But the general consensious is it works.

My advice though is stay stock. Builder only if u need too.

How about just upgradint the con rods from the sump?

This is main problems with boosted D's yeah?

Thanks bro

[beeza]

So there's no gains to be had from the bottom end kit?

[Lukezen27]

So there's no gains to be had from the bottom end kit?

Yeah huge gains but at huge costs installing lol

[Sexc86]

So there's no gains to be had from the bottom end kit?

THere only advantage of a bottom end kit is it is stronger ... and will allow you to run more boost... or you can slightly increase capacity.. oversized pistons... maybe a d17 crankshaft (unsure of possibilites there)

plus you make pickup a bit of power as its rebuilt and there will be less power losses from heat, friction, noise etc

[beeza]

It seems best to get another block,because they are cheap,bore it out,put in oversized pistons etc etc then when completed swap it in.Or if you were keen,P&P,valve job etc another head and swap it all in.
This way you can take your time and have fun.You will have spare parts from your motor now too.

[Lukezen27]

It seems best to get another block,because they are cheap,bore it out,put in oversized pistons etc etc then when completed swap it in.Or if you were keen,P&P,valve job etc another head and swap it all in.
This way you can take your time and have fun.You will have spare parts from your motor now too.

thats kind'a the plan :)

[beeza]

Good to hear cause it definately seems the best way to go and the most funnest.No pressure.

[Lukezen27]

thes look good

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160240135194&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160240135194&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us)



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Eagle-Connecting-Rods-H-Beam-Honda-D16A6-D16Z6-D16-ZC_W0QQitemZ180168248405QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p37 56.m20.l1116 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Eagle-Connecting-Rods-H-Beam-Honda-D16A6-D16Z6-D16-ZC_W0QQitemZ180168248405QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p37 56.m20.l1116)

Cheap too!!

[Sexc86]

Man you should really just be happy with your car as is now. Drive it around and enjoy it for a bit... Give yourself a chance to think about where you wanna take your car next.... 130wkw... you can have plenty of fun with that..

LOL i remember a Ek B18cr with ITBs and all the nice goods that couldnt even make that.

[Lukezen27]

Man you should really just be happy with your car as is now. Drive it around and enjoy it for a bit... Give yourself a chance to think about where you wanna take your car next.... 130wkw... you can have plenty of fun with that..

LOL i remember a Ek B18cr with ITBs and all the nice goods that couldnt even make that.

Hey Lyle

To tell you the truth I’m so impressed with the power that I’m waiting for the bubble to burst and something to go pop lol

Now with the new exhaust she doesn’t die between 6-7 RPM’s and accelerates beautiful

I'm more than happy with the power and was just thinking of ways to make her bullet proof......

[Limbo]

lol told ya long time ago to fix the exhaust

[fatboyz39]

i bet ya that Ek b18cR with ITB will smash a D series 130kw EG. Anywayz if thats the car your talknig about its doen a 13.5 on street tyres.

So if you ever get a chance to get out to 1/4mile and run times, please post them up as a good comparison to B swaps.

[Sexc86]

can you explain that too me? the one i sore only made 120wkw? how does a heavier car with 120wkw car... beat a 130wkw lighter car ?

Oh yeh i know where this is leading... people will take some of the first runs he does... (that deffinately wont be his best) and say thats all its good for.... ant they will compare it with someone else who has 100time slips to pick from... and squeezed the absolute maxium out of it.

[Lukezen27]

Jimmy & Lyle

Please don’t start this ongoing argument in my thread!

Agree to disagree lol

My thread was about value to power gains not who beats who with what dam motor...

Go whip some Rex's or 300Z or whatever ya hate with your little Honda's :thumbsup:

Might make ya feel better ;)

Thanks



So if you ever get a chance to get out to 1/4mile and run times, please post them up as a good comparison to B swaps.

I will but I'm new to 1/4 and my driving wont do my cars power justice

LukeZen

[fatboyz39]

can you explain that too me? the one i sore only made 120wkw? how does a heavier car with 120wkw car... beat a 130wkw lighter car ?

Oh yeh i know where this is leading... people will take some of the first runs he does... (that deffinately wont be his best) and say thats all its good for.... ant they will compare it with someone else who has 100time slips to pick from... and squeezed the absolute maxium out of it.

100 timeslips? err he ran it 4-5times at the drags.

As for power...PEAK POWER MEANS JACK SHIT!....

Its like that 12 sec city or whateva it was ....Claimed 110 kw in a 700kg shell will do 12sec. I have driven it, tuned it and fark it won't even hit 14's.

[Sexc86]

Apologies Luke.

Go out enjoy your ride, and enjoy the fact that you have alot more cash left sitting in your pocket then some other people

I guess The torque of a turbo means just shit too eh...?

Isnt that why there is the saying. "The only replacement for Displacment is Forced Induction"
Yes i will agree to disagree.

[fatboyz39]

I will but I'm new to 1/4 and my driving wont do my cars power justice



Your MPH will tell the truth what power it really has;)

[Lukezen27]

Apologies Luke.

Go out enjoy your ride, and enjoy the fact that you have alot more cash left sitting in your pocket then some other people

I guess The torque of a turbo means just shit too eh...?

Isnt that why there is the saying. "The only replacement for Displacment is Forced Induction"
Yes i will agree to disagree.

No problems man

Well I'm love'n the whole power to hip pocket ratio = Thailand for two months backpacking :thumbsup:

Yeah I was under the impression torque was the whole point of a turbo :p


Your MPH will tell the truth what power it really has


Explain Jimmy?

I'm new to this shit lol

Miles Per Hour, right?

But won't I suck still

[Limbo]

Will also depend if you can get traction

[barefootbonzai]

LOL i remember a Ek B18cr with ITBs and all the nice goods that couldnt even make that.
you're not the smartest guy on earth if you're using different dyno's as a way to compare cars.


can you explain that too me? the one i sore only made 120wkw? how does a heavier car with 120wkw car... beat a 130wkw lighter car ?

Oh yeh i know where this is leading... people will take some of the first runs he does... (that deffinately wont be his best) and say thats all its good for.... ant they will compare it with someone else who has 100time slips to pick from... and squeezed the absolute maxium out of it.

I only ever went out ONCE to run my setup. Took 4 runs to get 13.5@103mph and that's in an EK. MPH don't lie.

[fatboyz39]

Explain Jimmy?

I'm new to this shit lol

Miles Per Hour, right?

But won't I suck still

Well sexc86 compared it to a 120kw EK which has done 13.5 @103mph.

Technically if you do have 130kw in a lighter EG shell then you should be pulling 103MPH + easily.

[fatboyz39]

Will also depend if you can get traction

We had a turbo b16a which made around 150kw atw. No traction problems there on street tyres. So stop saying if he can get traction.

[Fo55il]

yo luke, im tryion to read this thread, n am lost.
so what mods r u on atm ?
apart from d bolt on.

fmic
injectors
exhaust
????

[barefootbonzai]

just to clear things up, traction doesn't affect your mph much. for example car with traction issues with 200kw might get 13.5@115mph while like my car with much less power run can run the same time but with lower mph.

So mph is a good indication of power/weight.

[Lukezen27]

yo luke, im tryion to read this thread, n am lost.
so what mods r u on atm ?
apart from d bolt on.

fmic
injectors
exhaust
????

That's all Fo55il

fmic
injectors
exhaust

:)


just to clear things up, traction doesn't affect your mph much. for example car with traction issues with 200kw might get 13.5@115mph while like my car with much less power run can run the same time but with lower mph.

So mph is a good indication of power/weight.


I see

Cool as

[Sexc86]

apologies to luke... i probably just brought an argument into your thred that simply could have been resolved via PM.

[beeza]

just to clear things up, traction doesn't affect your mph much. for example car with traction issues with 200kw might get 13.5@115mph while like my car with much less power run can run the same time but with lower mph.

So mph is a good indication of power/weight.

So Luke is looking at 13 second passes.How about the same car but with a b18c7 with I/H/E?
I just want to get a comparison of the 2 engine in resect to the 1/4 mile.

[Lukezen27]

So Luke is looking at 13 second passes.How about the same car but with a b18c7 with I/H/E?
I just want to get a comparison of the 2 engine in resect to the 1/4 mile.

13 sec

Well Jimmy says no and Lyle says yes lol

b18c7 is a heavier motor but has LSD

b18c7 140 or 147kw yeah? ATF

[beeza]

Or low 14's :)

[Lukezen27]

Or low 14's :)

Mate I'll be lucky if I get low 15's to start with lol


apologies to luke... i probably just brought an argument into your thred that simply could have been resolved via PM.

I know this argument has been raging for ages

[fatboyz39]

So Luke is looking at 13 second passes.How about the same car but with a b18c7 with I/H/E?
I just want to get a comparison of the 2 engine in resect to the 1/4 mile.

b18c7 with I/H/E low 14's.

[beeza]

Nice,thanks mate.

[aimre]

How about just upgradint the con rods from the sump?

This is main problems with boosted D's yeah?

Thanks bro

Dont bother man. Ur turbo kit is the weak link. Ur kit cant make enough power to wreck ur engine.

If u want more power, ull need a bigger turbo, then a manifold for the turbo, then exhaust fixed to position, charge pipes redone in position, retune (and possibly new computer [emanage only can to 150% stock fuel injectors i think]), waterlines hooked up. Thats just off the top of my head, theres a few thousand there.

So, if ur gonna do all that, then by all means do ur bottom end

[Lukezen27]

Dont bother man. Ur turbo kit is the weak link. Ur kit cant make enough power to wreck ur engine.

If u want more power, ull need a bigger turbo, then a manifold for the turbo, then exhaust fixed to position, charge pipes redone in position, retune (and possibly new computer [emanage only can to 150% stock fuel injectors i think]), waterlines hooked up. Thats just off the top of my head, theres a few thousand there.

So, if ur gonna do all that, then by all means do ur bottom end

Hey Alex

There's a lot of guys in the US running this kit at 14-15psi that have just changed the con rod bolts and bearings, maybe oil pump is stop the bearings seizing due to oil starvation

You don't think is worth is for the extra 4 or 5 psi?

Cheers

Luke

[Weq]

Hey Alex

There's a lot of guys in the US running this kit at 14-15psi that have just changed the con rod bolts and bearings, maybe oil pump is stop the bearings seizing due to oil starvation

You don't think is worth is for the extra 4 or 5 psi?

Cheers

Luke

People run 1bar on stock internals. Upgrading rod bolts will do nothing, they are not the weak link. Same with bearings. THe weak link is the con-rod thickness. Overpowering them will bend them. What numbers are overpowering them?? The general concensious not to go any futher then 150-160kW on a stock bottom.

[Lukezen27]

People run 1bar on stock internals. Upgrading rod bolts will do nothing, they are not the weak link. Same with bearings. THe weak link is the con-rod thickness. Overpowering them will bend them. What numbers are overpowering them?? The general concensious not to go any futher then 150-160kW on a stock bottom.


Cool

upgrading just the con rods and bearing would yield good power gains then if it can be done from the sump and not having to remover the head again?

[Weq]

Cool

upgrading just the con rods and bearing would yield good power gains then if it can be done from the sump and not having to remover the head again?

No on both cases. YOu need to pull the change the rods.

[aimre]

Hey Alex

There's a lot of guys in the US running this kit at 14-15psi that have just changed the con rod bolts and bearings, maybe oil pump is stop the bearings seizing due to oil starvation

You don't think is worth is for the extra 4 or 5 psi?

Cheers

Luke

Like i told u. Run 14-15 psi on stock internals. But i have the compressor map for the td04h and 14psi is right on the edge of 70% run more and it drops significantly to like off the map. U can max out the turbo with stock internals.

Here, you can work it out.

http://www.not2fast.com/turbo/maps/td04-15g.gif




John, why dont ppl listen?

[Lukezen27]

Like i told u. Run 14-15 psi on stock internals. But i have the compressor map for the td04h and 14psi is right on the edge of 70% run more and it drops significantly to like off the map. U can max out the turbo with stock internals.

Here, you can work it out.

John, why dont ppl listen?

Thanks Alex but I've already got the flow map lol

I don't mind buying a bigger turbo and better manifold down the track.

I'm just throwing ideas out there...

Want'n more is human nature and hard to avoid :p

[Limbo]

dunno about 15PSI on a stock motor though.

[Fo55il]

with this setup that lukensz has, what do u rekon the highest psi, could boost to widout doing damage.

[kraiye]

how reliable u want it?

[Fo55il]

reliable enuf. not to be changing things all the time.

[Limbo]

10-11 PSI, i was there when he was tuning it.

[Fo55il]

oh ok .
casue my mate had d same setup and he said 11psi should be d limit.

so i guess thats what i should be aiming for then.

[Limbo]

i'd stick to 10PSI if you want reliability as boost can spike here and there

[aimre]

weq ran 12 psi all day every day.


From what i worked out before i sold my car.

i had an eboost so i would have had 3 settings.

I would have run 7 for normal + rain

12 for a squirt.

14 for a run down the strip.


Boost doesnt kill ur motor its the power. (obviously within reason)

[Lukezen27]

I'm running 11psi

Not stable all the way to red line and ends up being 9-10psi

Once I get e-boost I'll keep 11psi and it will stay that way throughout the rev range

[Weq]

I'm running 11psi

Not stable all the way to red line and ends up being 9-10psi

Once I get e-boost I'll keep 11psi and it will stay that way throughout the rev range

If its dropping off to 9psi at redline, i can understand you wanting more. I went through a few boost controllers till i found one that held to redline. The td04 is a really badly designed turbo IMO (laggy, not enough power, wastegate port sucks). U can feel the flow. At 9psi, it wont pull all the way till redline. it needs to be making 10+psi at redline for the torque not to drop off..

Umm you want more power without turning up the boost... Look at a zex 53900 cam. DOesnt take too long too install. What else, water/meth injection. Im thinking about doing this too my 350z. The meth increases the fuel octane too 105-115 depending on mixture, cools your IATs by 20-30degs and signitificaly reduces detonation threshhold.... the injection kit will add 10-20kw.

[Fo55il]

wat price we lookin at for this injetion kit?

[Fo55il]

+ war controller u using?

[Weq]

There are lots of kits out there man. aquamist is nice for something complete.

[Lukezen27]

If its dropping off to 9psi at redline, i can understand you wanting more. I went through a few boost controllers till i found one that held to redline. The td04 is a really badly designed turbo IMO (laggy, not enough power, wastegate port sucks). U can feel the flow. At 9psi, it wont pull all the way till redline. it needs to be making 10+psi at redline for the torque not to drop off..

Umm you want more power without turning up the boost... Look at a zex 53900 cam. DOesnt take too long too install. What else, water/meth injection. Im thinking about doing this too my 350z. The meth increases the fuel octane too 105-115 depending on mixture, cools your IATs by 20-30degs and signitificaly reduces detonation threshhold.... the injection kit will add 10-20kw.

lol I always want more but yeah I've been thinking about 53900 before ever boosting but thought that this turbo would run out of gas with the added power in the higher rev's?

Is it worth installing with out upgrading the value train? I know one for the ZEX cans can be installed without upgrade but don’t remember witch one..

Is the water/meth injection legal?

[Fo55il]

any1 got a link on these kits?

[beeza]

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=aquamist&category0=

[Fo55il]

damn, heavy on d pocket.
so wen u say 10-20kw. ...
atw ?

also. after u get this, do u need to use special fuel ?

[kraiye]

damn, heavy on d pocket.
so wen u say 10-20kw. ...
atw ?

also. after u get this, do u need to use special fuel ?

and is the extra 10-20kw measured on a US dyno or AUS dyno ;)

[Weq]

lol I always want more but yeah I've been thinking about 53900 before ever boosting but thought that this turbo would run out of gas with the added power in the higher rev's?

Is it worth installing with out upgrading the value train? I know one for the ZEX cans can be installed without upgrade but don’t remember witch one..

Is the water/meth injection legal?

Yes it can be used with stock valve springs, but u need to keep the rev-limit stock. The cam doesnt overwhealm the turbo. It will make power, easier, and cleaner. Definate gains above the vtec line, thats for sure. You can err on the side of caution and also install upgraded valve springs without removing the head. Just take it to someone experienced in honda's.

Water/meth injectioon is definatly legal. And we are talking 10-20kw on an aussie dyno. Its like running race gas, but costs less and is less volotile.

[Weq]

damn, heavy on d pocket.
so wen u say 10-20kw. ...
atw ?

also. after u get this, do u need to use special fuel ?

U need water and methonal. LOL. U can get it from many places. Even kmart. Do a GOOGLE search. GOOOOOGLE. There are MANY kits at DIFFERENT PRICES. The aquamist is one of the better brands, hence one of the most expensive. Different kits come with differnt features. Stuff like water level sensors, and triggers that wont let u activate higher boost unless the pump is pumping water. all that kind of stuff. Not needed, but can be handy and u have to pay a premium for it.

http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-16,GGLG:en&q=water+methonal+injection

[Lukezen27]

Yes it can be used with stock valve springs, but u need to keep the rev-limit stock. The cam doesnt overwhealm the turbo. It will make power, easier, and cleaner. Definate gains above the vtec line, thats for sure. You can err on the side of caution and also install upgraded valve springs without removing the head. Just take it to someone experienced in honda's.

Water/meth injectioon is definatly legal. And we are talking 10-20kw on an aussie dyno. Its like running race gas, but costs less and is less volotile.

Cool

With turbo holding up fine then I'll be doing this mod for sure once back from OS :thumbsup: The cam that is not the Water Injection thing though its very intresting to read up on...

Man that's great and here's a good tech read up :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engines)

[Sexc86]

yes yes i have this cam... yet to run it though :( i hear great things

[Lukezen27]

yes yes i have this cam... yet to run it though :( i hear great things

Give it to me Lyle?

hahah

What value train upgrade are you going for?

[Sexc86]

Give it to me Lyle?

hahah

What value train upgrade are you going for?


nah dude my head is allready built complete.. Rocket valve train + zex cam.

Crower valve springs arnt bad either

[dudeling7]

so to fix your boost spiking issue did you just change the actuator on the internal gate?

are you using an electronic booost controller too?

as weq was saying will it just work to get a good controller like a profec B II and this will solve the boost spikes?

[Lukezen27]

so to fix your boost spiking issue did you just change the actuator on the internal gate?

are you using an electronic booost controller too?

as weq was saying will it just work to get a good controller like a profec B II and this will solve the boost spikes?

Yeah I changed the actuator and it made a big difference but a good controller is still needed..

I'm not running any controller right now but will gto e-boost 2 soon

[Limbo]

yeah get the e-boost runs great one mine. Get the smaller one so i can swap with you!

btw... i looked into the water/meth system, might look at getting one, to keep the car cool.

[Lukezen27]

yeah get the e-boost runs great one mine. Get the smaller one so i can swap with you!

btw... i looked into the water/meth system, might look at getting one, to keep the car cool.

How bigs your Limbo?

I need to 52mm size

[Limbo]

mines the 60mm one the 2 1/2" size, i wanna downgrade it to the 2" one so i can fit it in the dash.

I got the cup holder for it though that you can have

[Lukezen27]

mines the 60mm one the 2 1/2" size, i wanna downgrade it to the 2" one so i can fit it in the dash.

I got the cup holder for it though that you can have

Dang it Limbo

Can't help ya sorry man :(

I need to the 52mm one also, all my other gauges are that size already

[lukecivic]

2.5" Exhaust installed... :thumbsup:

Heres my new dyno with nothing ells touched not yet re-tunned

http://www.doubledynasystems.com/128.4kw%2010-05-2008.jpg

hey congrats! your making great power
i just finished my turbo install and im loving it :)
have you had any dramas with it? CVs? Gbox?

[Lukezen27]

hey congrats! your making great power
i just finished my turbo install and im loving it :)
have you had any dramas with it? CVs? Gbox?
All seems fine but I did blow a CV boot on the dyno I while back

Cool man, up and running?

What power are you making?

All seems fine but I did blow a CV boot on the dyno I while back :)

Cool man, up and running?

What power are you making?

[Frankie]

Ay where did you buy all your things for the Turbo



Hey Guys

Just got back from getting my car Dynoed by Adrian at TODA.

I got 97.5KW at the wheels on a very hot day plus Adrian said my tyres were too flat lol and would have gotten more than 100KW.. Well maybe


Bare in mind this is with E-manage pre-tuned to USA petrol that came with the GReddy kit and very very safe tune at that.

PSI = 5 with a bit of a spike round 6
AFR = 11 to 11.2ish

So one day to install and boost that night nothing ells needed.

NOW THAT’S GOOD VALUE

My goal is 130KW and now that seems doable IMO

Cheers Guys

LukeZen

[Lukezen27]

Ay where did you buy all your things for the Turbo

eBay and here and there

[lukecivic]

All seems fine but I did blow a CV boot on the dyno I while back

Cool man, up and running?

What power are you making?

All seems fine but I did blow a CV boot on the dyno I while back :)

Cool man, up and running?

What power are you making?

Oh yeah thats what im worried about, did you just replace it with new CV?
I made 130.8kw on 10psi. pretty happy with that at the momment :)

[Lukezen27]

Oh yeah thats what im worried about, did you just replace it with new CV?
I made 130.8kw on 10psi. pretty happy with that at the momment :)

Yup just replaced with new OEM boots :thumbsup:

You should make a bit more than me, you've got the 96-2000 kit yeah?

They have a slightly bigger turbo

Plus I don't have a boost controller yet and I end up with only 9 PSI in the high rev range.

What boost controller are you using?

[lukecivic]

Oh kool, how hard was it to get the OEM boots? reason im asking is because im taking it to the track on the 12th and if somthing is going to go bust before then i wont to make sure i can fix it :P
Ive got a custom conversion, using a gt28R
Using a profec B.
Yeah i thought id make more then that, ill go back for a retune eventually.

[Lukezen27]

Oh kool, how hard was it to get the OEM boots? reason im asking is because im taking it to the track on the 12th and if somthing is going to go bust before then i wont to make sure i can fix it :P
Ive got a custom conversion, using a gt28R
Using a profec B.
Yeah i thought id make more then that, ill go back for a retune eventually.

Hannys installed my boots so I dont know sorry man but look a see if there oK or not, mine were already on there way out when one blow...

Custom job hey, still 130wk is about what you should get with stock internals.

Wow gt28R is quiet big, whats the lag like?

[Aza]

Hannys installed my boots so I dont know sorry man but look a see if there oK or not, mine were already on there way out when one blow...

Custom job hey, still 130wk is about what you should get with stock internals.

Wow gt28R is quiet big, whats the lag like?

the gt28R is a great turbo for a built d. however u need the built block to really bring out its potiential on a d. i just posted up nhan's setup in the foced induction setups thread. his car on its first tune on 10psi made 141.3kw's atw. remember that is on 10 psi and his block was built. only thing is when he got it first tuned it didnt have a 3 bar map sensor installed. lots more potiential in the car. to bad he sold it, who ever owns the car now it very lucky

[Limbo]

hmmm only 20-30kw difference roughly between a B & D

[Lukezen27]

hmmm only 20-30kw difference roughly between a B & D

Weq made about 140kw from his GReddy kit before he when mad with upgrades

[CRXer]

"only" 20-30kW difference.....

take that difference to the strip & see where it gets u.

[Lukezen27]

"only" 20-30kW difference.....

take that difference to the strip & see where it gets u.

Yeah!!

I'd be happy with 20-30 more :)

[Weq]

"only" 20-30kW difference.....

take that difference to the strip & see where it gets u.

Per boost level. Peak power. With 50nm less torque.
But bs have alot of choice of gear ratio, less shifts cause of more revs.. plenty to consider.

[Limbo]

well when you think about the cost difference between D & B considering only about 20-30kw difference isn't too bad.

[scibo]

very good read. well done with your car man.

interesting to see how much mine makes

[mike15h]

Was the kit a direct fit considering you bought it form US, no problems?

[Weq]

Was the kit a direct fit considering you bought it form US, no problems?

With civics/integs, no matter the market, everything fits.

[Lukezen27]

Was the kit a direct fit considering you bought it form US, no problems?

Thanks man

its heaps of fun :)


Was the kit a direct fit considering you bought it form US, no problems?

Nope not one problem with fitting anything..

Sorry for the late relies.. just finished a 14 hour 3 day trek though the Thailand jungle to go looking for monkeys using flying fox"s 600f above the canopy holy cow that shits fun and we found moneys..

Sitting in Udomxai at a internet caf with very a painful body lol

[lukecivic]

heya man, howd you go with your cold start tune? any dramas? i have to take mine back to get it fixed up :(

[Lukezen27]

heya man, howd you go with your cold start tune? any dramas? i have to take mine back to get it fixed up :(

Hey Luke C

Yeah Mines still ****ed but I'm over it now lol

Cold start idle fluctuation won't do any damage its just annoying and sounds like shit :p

Not to sure what my exact problem is though..

I've had both cold and warm sensor/valves replaced and that still didn't fix it :(

[lukecivic]

Hey Luke C

Yeah Mines still ****ed but I'm over it now lol

Cold start idle fluctuation won't do any damage its just annoying and sounds like shit :p

Not to sure what my exact problem is though..

I've had both cold and warm sensor/valves replaced and that still didn't fix it :(

o haha okays so im not the only 1...phew!
mines so bad though it wont start when its completely cold, so i have to hold the revs up till it warms up a bit :(

[Fo55il]

mmm really?

i dun have this problem.

[Lukezen27]

o haha okays so im not the only 1...phew!
mines so bad though it wont start when its completely cold, so i have to hold the revs up till it warms up a bit :(

Oh mines not that bad...

Just revs up and down a bit on cold start up!

Mine also dose it some times even when the cars completely warmed up..


mmm really?

i dun have this problem.

Touch wood bro haha

[Fo55il]

aww on a cold start,

my iacv is dead, car idles funny hard !!!!!!

but on cold starts .... its usually ok only wen it heats up

bloody iacv. !!!!

[lukecivic]

mmm really?

i dun have this problem.

yeah it also sux because it makes my remote start completey useless!
:p

[Benson]

Oh mines not that bad...

Just revs up and down a bit on cold start up!

Mine also dose it some times even when the cars completely warmed up..



Touch wood bro haha

Take it back to your tuner to have a look at it

[TODA AU]

Take it back to your tuner to have a look at it
No need really...
The emanage is incabable of affecting the cold start.
That is though it can trim the use of larger injectors & change the ignition timing etc. The basis of the cold start is still controlled by the original ECU & factory hardware.
Should there be any issue with the existing factory hardware, the problem will exist, e-manage or not. Infact the emanage could even agrovate the problem.
From memory there is a problem with Luke's IACV as it idles quite low regardless of what was done. The fix is likley the replacement of a few key components.
In any case, anyone who is considering an e-manage aught to think twice & think better of using a real tuning solution such as Hondata or better.

[Benson]

Ah ok fair enough,

I had a similar to do when we rush the tune to get it ready for a track day. Once it was back on the dyno, problem was fixed... so yeh i thought it could of been a similar problem

[Lukezen27]

Ah ok fair enough,

I had a similar to do when we rush the tune to get it ready for a track day. Once it was back on the dyno, problem was fixed... so yeh i thought it could of been a similar problem

Adrian has already to tune out the problem without luck...

Might be my stock ECU as its had water leak into for years lol

[hondavti25]

Hey luke, think you could send me some of the details of where you got your kit? and the prices you quoted on here how much it was to be delivered or is that just the purchase price? Thanks mate!

[Lukezen27]

Hey luke, think you could send me some of the details of where you got your kit? and the prices you quoted on here how much it was to be delivered or is that just the purchase price? Thanks mate!

http://myworld.ebay.com.au/racingimporter

$2080 Delivered

Can't see any listed with him now though

[hondavti25]

Thanks mate ill give him a bell

[Limbo]

you did get it quite a while ago, may no-longer sell it

[Weq]

No need really...
The emanage is incabable of affecting the cold start.
That is though it can trim the use of larger injectors & change the ignition timing etc. The basis of the cold start is still controlled by the original ECU & factory hardware.
Should there be any issue with the existing factory hardware, the problem will exist, e-manage or not. Infact the emanage could even agrovate the problem.
From memory there is a problem with Luke's IACV as it idles quite low regardless of what was done. The fix is likley the replacement of a few key components.
In any case, anyone who is considering an e-manage aught to think twice & think better of using a real tuning solution such as Hondata or better.

Its the FITV. Ive fixed this on a few cars, and i had two go bad on me personally. U gotta screw the plunger back in and she is as good as new.

Water in the ECU.... Effecting your idle.... Are u a retard?

Cliff notes:
Cold start flucutating idle = FITV.

[Lukezen27]

Its the FITV. Ive fixed this on a few cars, and i had two go bad on me personally. U gotta screw the plunger back in and she is as good as new.

Water in the ECU.... Effecting your idle.... Are u a retard?

Cliff notes:
Cold start flucutating idle = FITV.

fluctuates when warm just as bad sometimes

[TODA AU]

Its the FITV. Ive fixed this on a few cars, and i had two go bad on me personally. U gotta screw the plunger back in and she is as good as new.

Bang on... :thumbsup:
I know exactly what you mean.
Next time Luke is in I'll have a look.
Cheers

[Limbo]

hey Adrian you think that could be part of my cold start fluction also?

[Alexx]

Could also be the oxygen sensor prehaps. Thats what was sending my idle haywire

But yea, clean and screw in the fitv first

[Limbo]

got a brand new o2 sensor so couldn't be the prob

[Weq]

fluctuates when warm just as bad sometimes

Oh sorry. Yeh, your right. Must be the water, yep. After a little while, the water creates a habitat for the water monkeys to breed. Once the water monkeys start laying eggs, u sometimes get symptons of cold and hot idle fluctuation. The ECu has code in it to gaurd against this (honda was smart and thought ahead), but the code doesnt work on cars that have a modified intake system.

Luckily the fix is fairly simple. A light coating of water monkey dispersant fluid (WM90 and similiar brands will work just as good) and leave it overnight to dry. Then jump the service connecter under the dash be re-installation and the infection should be resolved, and so will your idle.

[Fo55il]

wat if u got water gorillas?

[Weq]

wat if u got water gorillas?

Then an Apexi S-GE (Super Gorilla eater) can be wierd inline with the MAP sensor to help compensate for the added airflow the ECU is seeing. Word of warming though, the auto-calibration can be a little figety at first (stupid jap translation in the manual).

[Lukezen27]

lol as long as your having fun thats the main think WEQ ;)

[Fo55il]

Apexi S-GE is needed desperately !!!!!

[Lukezen27]

Apexi S-GE is needed desperately !!!!!

If we have too, overnight parts from Japan!

[TONTON]

good read, inspired me to go with an EG sedan and then turbo the sucker and make it a sleeper instead of investing money into an EM1

lol

[Lukezen27]

good read, inspired me to go with an EG sedan and then turbo the sucker and make it a sleeper instead of investing money into an EM1

lol

You read all that lol

Nice work :)

[TONTON]

lol yeah, procrastinating for my HSC exams lol, ohwell

its gonna be all over in like a month, then ill start my quest for a turbo civic build =D

[Lukezen27]

lol yeah, procrastinating for my HSC exams lol, ohwell

its gonna be all over in like a month, then ill start my quest for a turbo civic build =D

Sweet

Yeah there hell fun :thumbsup:

[TONTON]

Hey whats the fuel consumption like with the turbo kit?

Like with spirited driving:P

And

Non spirited driving?

[Lukezen27]

Hey whats the fuel consumption like with the turbo kit?

Like with spirited driving:P

And

Non spirited driving?

Seems about the same as before I boosted :thumbsup:

Not tested on long drive yet but should be better now...

[Limbo]

i get about 8ltr per 100km with regular driving hitting boost but no vtec.
If i hit vtec all the time its like 11ltr/100km almost 12ltr/100km with a/c on!

[TONTON]

woah thats sweet figures,

Hey do you have links to the turbo kit? i saw in previous posts that you got it for like 2k shipped? but without some parts because you wanted to choose ur own intercooler etc etc...

And is the installation of the turbo kit like straight forward? Since im planning on doing a backyard job lol,

[Lukezen27]

woah thats sweet figures,

Hey do you have links to the turbo kit? i saw in previous posts that you got it for like 2k shipped? but without some parts because you wanted to choose ur own intercooler etc etc...

And is the installation of the turbo kit like straight forward? Since im planning on doing a backyard job lol,

Yeah iinstall was done by Alex on these forums but now I've seen it done its quite simple..

Cost has blown out with the US $ you'll have to wait till it get's better

[TONTON]

Sweet, im gonna go down to cabra and ask my mechanic,

and whats alex's user name?

any new pics of ur engine bay? =D

[Lukezen27]

Sweet, im gonna go down to cabra and ask my mechanic,

and whats alex's user name?

any new pics of ur engine bay? =D

Don't think he wants to do any more installs but might be wrong

He looks at this topic so he will PM you if he want's too

Maybe
http://www.d-series.org/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=562/

[TONTON]

ok thanks, ahh i have to register for that site.

Hey what gears does your car wheelspin up to?

I heard with the turbo D16's some guys wheelspin up to 3rd gear lol,

and how fast is it down the quarter?

*sorry to infiltrate your thread :(

[Lukezen27]

ok thanks, ahh i have to register for that site.

Hey what gears does your car wheelspin up to?

I heard with the turbo D16's some guys wheelspin up to 3rd gear lol,

and how fast is it down the quarter?

*sorry to infiltrate your thread :(

Yup I get wheel spin in third
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92053

Not good 1/4 miles yet, Not LSD and very bad camber..

Camber with be fixed in two weeks but some time for the LSD as its quite costly

Bay
http://www.d-series.org/forums/vbpgimage.php?do=full&p=6659&d=1212679897

[TONTON]

How much would an LSD cost? and would that fully elimate the crazy wheelspin?

[Lukezen27]

How much would an LSD cost? and would that fully elimate the crazy wheelspin?

I hope so

its about $550 shipped from the US and whatever/whoever you know to install

[markoJEK1]

Sorry I cbf scrolling through all pages to see if you are making 128KW now, or that is your goal, and how much torque you putting out if you're at 128KW atw

[Lukezen27]

Sorry I cbf scrolling through all pages to see if you are making 128KW now, or that is your goal, and how much torque you putting out if you're at 128KW atw

Yeah I'm at 128.4wkw with 225 Nm of torque

130AKW was my goal but I've passed that on the dyno quite a few times

[markoJEK1]

nice power and torque, thanks for the info

[TONTON]

Hey thats not much torque, does it still accelerate well with a full load?

( 4 passengers?)

[markoJEK1]

thats alot of torque coming compared to what those motors put out stock

[TONTON]

yeah but with the euro its got 241nm torque, and it struggles abit with a full load

[kazam]

yeh powr 2 weight, i mean euro 2 civic is like your comparing a tank 2 a go kart

[Lukezen27]

yeah but with the euro its got 241nm torque, and it struggles abit with a full load

If you want'a race me with your big euro torque came to the creek :p

Ben, I and a few of the boys go quite a bit :)

But yeah 225Nm on a 1044kg car is enough lol

Its OK with 4 passengers but still very noticeable...

Its only 1.6L SOCH motor and there's no replacement for displacement specially when you add weight..

I've added a turbo not magic lol

[TONTON]

lol lol, thats true, the euro's a nugget

do you have an film clips of this car on the track?

[Lukezen27]

lol lol, thats true, the euro's a nugget

do you have an film clips of this car on the track?

Nope but I might next time out :thumbsup:

[Sexc86]

There is no Replacement for Displacement EXCEPT forced induction!

[Lukezen27]

There is no Replacement for Displacement EXCEPT forced induction!

lol Lyle

[Limbo]

FI pretty much is a kind of Displacement. The Turbo acts like an extra 2 cylinders!

[mooshie]

Whenyou had issues with the headgasket, and then got it replaced, did you notice any improvement in cooling too?

[Lukezen27]

Whenyou had issues with the headgasket, and then got it replaced, did you notice any improvement in cooling too?

Sure did

Hever gose above half way now

[Lukezen27]

New power figures after EBC installed..

As you can now see the boost is holding nicely too red line..

old
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/128.4kw&#37;2010-05-2008.jpg

New
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car/dyno/137.6Kw-06-12-2008.jpg


The numbers are a bit miss leading due a very hot day on the dyno...

Real numbers are more like 130-132 I believe

[Fo55il]

luke u gave me stiffy lookin at that

[mooshie]

Am I reading it right? Full boost comes on at 4200rpm? That would be pretty laggy, nice smooth curve though and the boost is holding firm.
Can you post up your old graph so we can compare side to side?

[Lukezen27]

Am I reading it right? Full boost comes on at 4200rpm? That would be pretty laggy, nice smooth curve though and the boost is holding firm.
Can you post up your old graph so we can compare side to side?

Done but old one hasn't got the PSI

Yeah your reading it right but its only a bush turbo not a ball bearing turbo..

[mooshie]

Interesting, I am amazed at the difference, not only more power overall, but looks better throughout the rev range.
Must feel smoother too. How much tuning was required when you fit the EBC?

[Lukezen27]

Interesting, I am amazed at the difference, not only more power overall, but looks better throughout the rev range.
Must feel smoother too. How much tuning was required when you fit the EBC?

Yeah it feels a lot better :thumbsup:

Complete re-tune was needed

[Limbo]

lol told you it was good stuff

[Lukezen27]

lol told you it was good stuff

I know bro I know

Coming on Wed?

[Limbo]

nah sorry can't make it

[Nodachi]

wonder where can you buy the kit now..

[Lukezen27]

wonder where can you buy the kit now..

Right here
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Greddy-TD04-Turbo-Kit-Honda-Civic-Ex-92-95-Emanage-JDM_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em63Q2el1177Q QhashZitem200284003989QQitemZ200284003989QQptZMoto rsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

[yuentinlon]

hi, is me again , now, i have a change to swap for a turbo D owner with my car... i only need to pay 1500... which mean i will save a lot for the new kit and labours...

but here is some question... his D is using stand injectors , should i buy any after market ?? he is running the greddy at 6 psi , without engineered, will that be a problem ?

other than the greddy kit.... he didnt do much ... so what should i buy in order to make it run perfect ~

-water/meth injection ?? what will it do actually ... i have no idea = =...

-also i saw a lot of post here... and i think a boost controller will be necessary in order to hold the boost, right ? what should i buy ?

-i am aiming 0-100 about 6.5s , will that be possible in stock internal ? coz the guys said he use RSM to claimed his 0-100 is 6.7s

is that real ???

- what should i check before i swap with his car ?




also... anyone know where should i go to tune the turbo in brisbane and how much will that be ?

[Lukezen27]

hi, is me again , now, i have a change to swap for a turbo D owner with my car... i only need to pay 1500... which mean i will save a lot for the new kit and labours... What car? PM me

but here is some question... his D is using stand injectors , should i buy any after market ?? he is running the greddy at 6 psi , without engineered, will that be a problem ? Yes the cars illegal without engineerring

other than the greddy kit.... he didnt do much ... so what should i buy in order to make it run perfect ~ FMIC - Piping

-water/meth injection ?? what will it do actually ... i have no idea = =...
Yes upgrade to RC 440CC injectors + Fuel Pump if you plan to run higher than 6-7PSI

-also i saw a lot of post here... and i think a boost controller will be necessary in order to hold the boost, right ? what should i buy ? E-Boost 2

-i am aiming 0-100 about 6.5s , will that be possible in stock internal ? coz the guys said he use RSM to claimed his 0-100 is 6.7s who's knows but I'm on 14.5 1/4 Mile right now

is that real ?????????? Never trust anything till you see it yourself..

- what should i check before i swap with his car ? Comp test + leak down test.... should be fine though if its only running at 6PSI

also... anyone know where should i go to tune the turbo in brisbane and how much will that be ? NOPE

Hope that helps

[Limbo]

doesn't seem like he's been reading... ;)

[Lukezen27]

doesn't seem like he's been reading... ;)

There seems to be a lot of that round here Limbo...

Dude you need to come tomorrow night bro

[beeza]

also... anyone know where should i go to tune the turbo in brisbane and how much will that be ?

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[yuentinlon]

Thanks for everyone... planning to buy the RC440cc and the fuel pump with a week

and get my D tune !!! coz i am looking for 120kw ....

where did you buy your fuel pump ?? whats the price as well ?

is this one good ?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-HIGH-PERFORMANCE-ELECTRIC-FUEL-PUMP-REGULATOR_W0QQitemZ310106710201QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ AU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item310106710201&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66&#37;3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

also a HKS EBC, they are much cheaper but as what i read... only EBOOST will hold the bar to redline, right ? but that cost 800 $ ...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/JDM-HKS-EVC-3-electronic-boost-controller-S13-S14-RB20_W0QQitemZ180309492934QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Ca r_Parts_Accessories?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

[Fo55il]

yonas got fuel pumps,
message him

wid d boost controller
go for maybe sumthin like greddy profec
or apexi avcr
boost controllers r a bitch n a half. so expensive + installation + tune

[yuentinlon]

what will the cost roughly ? >.< dyno tune ?

[Lukezen27]

Thanks for everyone... planning to buy the RC440cc and the fuel pump with a week

and get my D tune !!! coz i am looking for 120kw ....

where did you buy your fuel pump ?? whats the price as well ?

is this one good ?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-HIGH-PERFORMANCE-ELECTRIC-FUEL-PUMP-REGULATOR_W0QQitemZ310106710201QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ AU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item310106710201&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-HIGH-PERFORMANCE-ELECTRIC-FUEL-PUMP-REGULATOR_W0QQitemZ310106710201QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ AU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item310106710201&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66&#37;3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

also a HKS EBC, they are much cheaper but as what i read... only EBOOST will hold the bar to redline, right ? but that cost 800 $ ...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/JDM-HKS-EVC-3-electronic-boost-controller-S13-S14-RB20_W0QQitemZ180309492934QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Ca r_Parts_Accessories?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

As Fo55il said Get the pump of EG5 (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member.php?u=53) or grumpy rooster (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member.php?u=11425)

Yes e-boost 2 can bring the boost up via the RPMs hence you can tune the boost levels right to red line... other people have had luck with the GReddy controllers and there heaps cheaper

Cost wise for your first tune $300 or $400 but you'll have to just ask what your tuners charges

[Weq]

New power figures after EBC installed..

As you can now see the boost is holding nicely too red line..

old
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/128.4kw%2010-05-2008.jpg

New
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car/dyno/137.6Kw-06-12-2008.jpg


The numbers are a bit miss leading due a very hot day on the dyno...

Real numbers are more like 130-132 I believe

Its amazing how much smoother the car responds now boost is steady. The IT and AT of the DD dyno will correct for any tempreture, those numbers are about what you would expect at 10psi. Pump her up, 12psi, nicely inside the efficeny range of the turbo.

The TD04 kit produces alot of lag for the power it produces. Main reason is it needs a new dump pipe which requires a bit of creativity to fit with the AC. Otherwise its a 2" restriction at the turbine and it causes the 'lag'. Along with the shitttty wastegate.

Thats why people always recommend T28 setups, they flow more and usually spool up just as quick, if not quicker.

Luke, im guessing you have played with the ramp rates on your controller? I remmber when i switched my EBC off, i would spool 500rpm later, very obvious lag. With an exhaust + EBC i would hit fullboost early 3000rpm. COmpared to a stock kit which doesnt come on til 4500rpm.

[Aza]

nice power, real smooth dyno!

[Lukezen27]

Its amazing how much smoother the car responds now boost is steady. The IT and AT of the DD dyno will correct for any tempreture, those numbers are about what you would expect at 10psi. Pump her up, 12psi, nicely inside the efficeny range of the turbo.

The TD04 kit produces alot of lag for the power it produces. Main reason is it needs a new dump pipe which requires a bit of creativity to fit with the AC. Otherwise its a 2" restriction at the turbine and it causes the 'lag'. Along with the shitttty wastegate.

Thats why people always recommend T28 setups, they flow more and usually spool up just as quick, if not quicker.

Luke, im guessing you have played with the ramp rates on your controller? I remmber when i switched my EBC off, i would spool 500rpm later, very obvious lag. With an exhaust + EBC i would hit fullboost early 3000rpm. COmpared to a stock kit which doesnt come on til 4500rpm.

Not sure about the ramp rates, can that help spool up times?

I'm already running a custom 2.5" dump pipe.. ball bearing turbo would be the next upgade if anything...

That would spool up a lot fasting I'd say :thumbsup:


nice power, real smooth dyno!

Yeah thanks man

Adrain did a nice job :) (TODA)

[beeza]

Wow! Awesome!

She's really coming together.

[Lukezen27]

Wow! Awesome!

She's really coming together.

Last thing on my list LSD and I'm done :thumbsup:

[beeza]

Sweet!

No more spending money (haha,yeah right :) )

[Lukezen27]

Sweet!

No more spending money (haha,yeah right :) )

Just less hahah

[beeza]

hehehe True,nice.

[VTi_b0i]

not to hijack luke, but i was just wondering, my car pulls pretty hard, but when i do give it all the way to redline or so, then shange gears, it seems to lag HEAPS when u hit the next gear, my mate rekons it cause i got a BOV and its not plumbed back, so the boost is let go then it needs to create more boost... would this be the reason? id like to fix it as it would loose seconds in the 1/4mile etc

[Lukezen27]

not to hijack luke, but i was just wondering, my car pulls pretty hard, but when i do give it all the way to redline or so, then shange gears, it seems to lag HEAPS when u hit the next gear, my mate rekons it cause i got a BOV and its not plumbed back, so the boost is let go then it needs to create more boost... would this be the reason? id like to fix it as it would loose seconds in the 1/4mile etc

Na I doubt it...

The amount of air bleeding out from the BOV is quite small so plumbed back or not it won't make much difference apart from being illegal lol

Just look it how small the plumb back hose's are and you'll find your answer...

Its your turbo bro

Same one as mine yeah?

[VTi_b0i]

im using a Garrett GT28RS.

[Lukezen27]

im using a Garrett GT28RS.

On what motor?

[VTi_b0i]

b18c SiR motor

[Lukezen27]

b18c SiR motor

Sounds like the right turbo for your motor..

So it takes a bit to long to spool up again after gear changing yeah?

[grumpy rooster]

When you get a boost controller it will fix this. It will allow you to bring the boost on earlier.

[Lukezen27]

Before EBC full boost didn't hit till close to 5000RPM's
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car/dyno/119.4kw-05-05-2008.jpg

EBC Installed now full boost kicks in a bit before 4500RPM's
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car/dyno/137.6Kw-06-12-2008.jpg

And that's with my crap bushed turbo..

Your ball bearing turbo should spool even faster...

Post some dyno's?

[mooshie]

Yep get a boost controiler.
I have same setup, GT28RS on a jap B18C running Autronic SM4 with optional boost control solenoid.
I get my full 8psi at 2700rpm, not kidding!

[Lukezen27]

Yep get a boost controiler.
I have same setup, GT28RS on a jap B18C running Autronic SM4 with optional boost control solenoid.
I get my full 8psi at 2700rpm, not kidding!

Yeah I hit 8PSI under 4000rpm's so its not so surprising with a good quality bearing turbo...

Also mine spooled up a bit quicker when I got a bigger exhaust...

What size are you running VTi_bOi and mooshie?

[mooshie]

Currently got 2.5" mandrel from turbo to high flow cat, and 2.25" crappy crush bent from then on.
Going to upgrade soon.

[Lukezen27]

Currently got 2.5" mandrel from turbo to high flow cat, and 2.25" crappy crush bent from then on.
Going to upgrade soon.

dang

I'm on 2.5" mandrel bent from the dump pipe to the cannon :thumbsup:

[VTi_b0i]

ive got 3 inch from the dump pipe all the way back to an apexi n1 muffler.
i will be getting Eboost2 i think shortly, but then you have to get a full retune so it may be a little while...
how much power r u making mooshie?

[mooshie]

See my thread- 'another DA9 turbo'. 157 at the wheels currently.

[Limbo]

with my eboost my car get full boost at about 3.5k, b16 with GT28R@162kwATW.
That's why i told luke earlier on to get one :)

[hisoka]

lukezen do you know anyone who has used a td04 or td05 to do this d turbo thing, everyone talking about it and i got a d series motor here, might give it a go ?~just want relaible first with td04 or 05 with stock internal~possible?. i read heaps of shiet on us forum~but they are changing pistons to low comp, however the d series motor i have is not vtec, ordinary single cam.

[Lukezen27]

with my eboost my car get full boost at about 3.5k, b16 with GT28R@162kwATW.
That's why i told luke earlier on to get one :)

Yeah they rock that's for sure


lukezen do you know anyone who has used a td04 or td05 to do this d turbo thing, everyone talking about it and i got a d series motor here, might give it a go ?~just want relaible first with td04 or 05 with stock internal~possible?. i read heaps of shiet on us forum~but they are changing pistons to low comp, however the d series motor i have is not vtec, ordinary single cam.

I don't know bro..

How big are they?

T22= T23 is about the size I'm running but most go T25 or T28ish

[hisoka]

its pretty small bro, same as a wrx 99 model *not sti. i got one here, but i dunno i just read through this thread and it maybe a better idea to get a greddy kit, but economy is shit you know.

pretty good thread.

[Lukezen27]

its pretty small bro, same as a wrx 99 model *not sti. i got one here, but i dunno i just read through this thread and it maybe a better idea to get a greddy kit, but economy is shit you know.

pretty good thread.

Yeah I did mine chip as chips but now the aussie dollar sucks ass :thumbdwn:

[Limbo]

luke pretty sure yours is a TD04, its about a T25 equivalent

[Lukezen27]

luke pretty sure yours is a TD04, its about a T25 equivalent

Well that size would be fine then :thumbsup:

[hisoka]

ok, lol well i will see what else is required, might just get GReddy kit, instead of hassling around with the shit i got.

[Lukezen27]

ok, lol well i will see what else is required, might just get GReddy kit, instead of hassling around with the shit i got.

Thats what I did :thumbsup:

Don't expect 137kw like my mine though....

115-120 at the wheels is about normal