B16a Engineering [Archive]

ADICTD2BASS

07-01-2008, 10:08 AM

Sorry i know this is probably the most asked question on the site but i cant find it... i just need a really quick answer for a car im going to buy... Im going to buy a EG VTi with a jap spec B16a 118kw ... does it have to be engineered, or is it just a blue slip engine number change? if engineered how much is it?
Cheers Rob

fatboyz39

07-01-2008, 10:33 AM

blue slip change engine number.

Kiz_EG6

07-01-2008, 10:33 AM

If it's a jap spec, the engine should be the gen II, 125kw version if in an EG!

You just have to make sure that engine is registered to that car to avoid trouble (eg bad history/stolen motor) if it is the Gen I B16A, then it is more than likely older than the chassis and unregisterable in that vehicle!!

As for engineer's, you will not need as you are not increasing displacement!!

ADICTD2BASS

07-01-2008, 11:38 AM

Thank Soooo much

ADICTD2BASS

07-01-2008, 11:46 AM

If its the gen 1 b16, Can i use the same wiring harness and just put in a b16a2 ? or are the wiring harnesses different

Kiz_EG6

07-01-2008, 12:00 PM

If its the gen 1 b16, Can i use the same wiring harness and just put in a b16a2 ? or are the wiring harnesses different

Hang on, are you doing the conversion or is it already done on a car you are purchasing?

ADICTD2BASS

07-01-2008, 12:04 PM

Kiz_EG6

07-01-2008, 12:08 PM

well the car im purchasing has the 118 kw engine (EG civic so cant be blue slipped) the car is bloody cheap though and if i only had to change the motor and plug in the original wiring harness ill pick ut up

So it's definately older than the chassis then??
I am not 100% sure bout when they changed over to the 125kw version series II, but i am under the impression that there was no overlap on the EG!!

Is the engine already registered in the car or not?

BlitZ

07-01-2008, 12:29 PM

all BS..

you can register an engine from 1970 into a 00 civic.. you might need engineer to pass smog test, but it can be done..

But if the engine is from jap, rta has no farken idea what year its from. they wont care if its a b16a in a 00' civic.

As to having the car blue slipped.. not sure if its that simple as you are changing the engine config. ie, you going from single cam, non vtec to twin cam vtec. I have been told you need cert.

however if its the same configuration and slight change (<15%) in capacity then its fine

give me the contact for the car if you aint buying it ehehe

FR33K

07-01-2008, 12:36 PM

yeh i agree.. ive tried to bring up this before but people said i was wrong

ive had no questions asked when converting 2 LS's to JDM b16a.

All i did was change the engine number and that was it.

Kiz_EG6

07-01-2008, 12:39 PM

I like the part bout the authorities not knoing what year ur import motor came from...
Is that for sure, coz i've been stressin bout putting mine from my 92 EG into a newer shell... Saves me a lot of trouble if that is true!!

bennjamin

07-01-2008, 12:40 PM

ADICTD2BASS

07-01-2008, 12:52 PM

Does anyone know a round about cost of getting the cert or just f*** it and try get the blue slip? its not like there going to know the generation number changes

grumpy rooster

07-01-2008, 02:57 PM

dude , clarify. Links ?
Its common sense why a older engine isnt generally legal in a newer chassis....EPA regulations ( or SMOG tests as said, which isnt relevant in OZ like the US). A carby engine cannot be registered in a EFI car that i have been told by a relevant engineer. UNLESS it is for offroad use.

True. But think about a turbo conversion. What car did that come out of? Thats right, none, unless its a factory turbo engine which is very unlikely with Mr Honda. Its a matter of getting the car emission tested. If your willing to get it emission tested and jump through a lot of hoops then you can pretty much do whatever you like, including using carbies. The problem is, you will never meet current emission regs. This may sound like I'm contradicting myself, but what I'm saying is that it is possible to go nust provided it passes emissions. But, the chances of passing emissions with some mods is near on impossible.

The engine from a later model vehicle is bandied about because if it is then it is guaranteed to meet the earlier chassised vehicle that it is going to PROVIDED you use all the OEM plumbing including emission control equipment. Its like aftermarket computers, everyone says you can't get a vehicle engineered with one. This is NOT true. You can, you just have to get the vehicle emission tested and then once it passes the ecu must be locked so that the tuning paramaters cannot be changed. However, your chances of getting a post 2005 vehicle engineered with an aftermarket ecu are very slim as the requirements since 2005 are very very tough.

The other factor in all of this is finding an engineer that is willing to work with you to do all this. Some engineers just dismiss things like aftermarket ecus completely. That doesn't mean it can't be done, it just means that THEY won't pass it.

90LAN

07-01-2008, 03:06 PM

engine built date is stamped in a clock like record above the exhaust manifold
just have a look to make sure
by the sounds of it u have a oz spec b16 from a ek4

Kiz_EG6

07-01-2008, 03:08 PM

engine built date is stamped in a clock like record above the exhaust manifold
just have a look to make sure
by the sounds of it u have a oz spec b16 from a ek4

That is only the "manufacturing date" stamp of the block, it does not indicate the "build date" as such of the engine, as the block could have been sitting around for 12 months before it was built up and dropped in a car!!

ADICTD2BASS

07-01-2008, 03:11 PM

ok ill ask the guy if i can have a look at it... thanks all

90LAN

07-01-2008, 03:12 PM

That is only the "manufacturing date" stamp of the block, it does not indicate the "build date" as such of the engine, as the block could have been sitting around for 12 months before it was built up and dropped in a car!!

well it gives a good indication of what model or era the engine came from,
usaully spot on with my egs with b16's with the engine stamped to other eg parts that are also honda stamped from the engine donor car

Kiz_EG6

07-01-2008, 03:15 PM

well it gives a good indication of what model or era the engine came from,
usaully spot on with my egs with b16's with the engine stamped to other eg parts that are also honda stamped from the engine donor car

Yeah, i guess.
I shit myself coz mine is scrubbed off on the JDM engine, i have no idea why, as the engine number is still there in full, i thought someone had dodged the date, that's how i found out it's only the block!!

EKVTIR-T

07-01-2008, 03:28 PM

Vicroads:
Change of Engine
1. Replacement engine is identical to the original engine, or is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle
The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle (or certified variants). The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine, have been completed.

No mention about the year of the engine...

ADICTD2BASS

07-01-2008, 03:34 PM

is that for VIC or NSW though

EKVTIR-T

07-01-2008, 03:35 PM

VICRoads :)

ADICTD2BASS

07-01-2008, 03:43 PM

NSW being the 'lets kill everyones fun" state that it is, would have a different legistration, ill have to ring the rta and find out... anyone know of cheap B16a2 if i cant have it?

fatboyz39

07-01-2008, 05:25 PM

NSW being the 'lets kill everyones fun" state that it is, would have a different legistration, ill have to ring the rta and find out... anyone know of cheap B16a2 if i cant have it?

Pm me. Got some here.

Just go blue slip it. Shouldn't be problem.