DC5S vs Supra

[jootx]

Ok guys first off, I'm not suggesting a "which car is better" and whatnot. What I actually need is an opinion on value and affordability.

So, I'm planning on getting a new car within a year and I'm stuck between getting a supra and a DC5S.

I love the look of the Supra but the fact that I'm still on my greens mean that I am forced to buy one without turbo. The other thing which put me off getting one is because I'm unsure of spending ~18k on an ~15 yr old car.

Now I'm actually quite fond of the integra type S but the price tag is slightly out of my price range. I was hoping to spend 20-25k.

SO, my question is; do you guys think I should:

1. Suck it up, buy a supra non-turbo.
2. Hope the DC5S will fall between 20-25k in ~1 yrs time.
3. Go for the cheaper DC5 luxury.

I'm open to suggestions!
Thanks!

Ps: Keep in mind I saving for the money required by myself, no rich daddies or mummies, so regardless of which option/car I opt for, the purchase will be a year away (plenty of time for drops in prices I hope :p)

Pps: New to these forums, be nice.

[damienm]

y not a dc5r

[Zilli]

I'm unsure of spending ~18k on an ~15 yr old car.

thats your decision right there mate...

whilst the Supra is a nice big optioned car... it is getting a bit long in the tooth... i would go for a newer car considering where you are in age and finance... plus the Honda being fwd is easiere to drive so you are less likely to wrap yourself around a pole...

Why dont you look at the DC5R which can be had for your budget? even a DC2R which some people will say is the better of the DC2/DC5 row...

[johnprocter]

get a dc2r or dc5r

[turbo convert]

N/a Supra, naaaaah you will regret the decsion, because after a while you will be annoyed you didn't buy the turbo version!!! Stick with a honda dc2r or dc5r! For sure!

[koevi]

N/A Supra is a no go lol, go for a DC2R or a DC5R

[bennjamin]

this maybe a honda forum with a certain bias towards the dc2r or dc5r....

but out of your choices i strongly recommend a DC5R. Great car with great mod range and driver satisfaction.

[adu]

i agree
if you are intending to buy a supra .. you gotta get turbo ..

even though its pretty fast for n/a (non turbo) supra, but petrol will kill you ..

best way is to get something abit newer like what everyone elses is saying

My opinion
DC5R
-> Power
-> Looks LMAO
-> Gorguz
-> Sporty
-> Fully Sick

1 bad thing about DC5R
-> No sunroof =[

[mlc]

i agree with adu
A supra would kill you with petrol. That thing drinks petrol like no tomorrow. It's pretty fast for an NA car but it's a damn heavy car too.

[CB7_OWNER]

DC2R>DC5R>DC5S..........But if it is just the looks your after, then wouldn't matter if you get a N/A or turbo...

[MWAKU]

yeah supra eat petrol i second that, 3L carrying like 5 tonnes lol... waste of petrol too..

dc5r aswell... dw about dc5s :P

lol.. 1400-1500 is pretttttttttttttttttttttty heavy imo compared to the dc5r

[4000gt]

supra's aren't as heavy as people think. The heaviest (GZ model) is only 1540kg.... mine weighs in at 1420kg (standard, not with the v12). Were manufactured between 1993 and 2002.... so you have the option of newer cars....

As for how difficult it is to drive, well, not at all.... very stable unless you want it to slide... Also, engine conversions are cheaper with the supra than with most hondas as 2jz TT engines are abundant.

There is alot of misinformation out there.... typical of a forum really.. make your own choice!!

[bennjamin]

lets do a real life comparison.

look at any organized track day - such as SHIFT performance's last outing.

mostly hondas at the top and mostly rwd na and turbo'd at the bottom. Similar results at most other events.
The fact is a lighter less powerful FWD is much easier to drive and easier to drive FAST than a supra. Its a better bet for this particular person.

[kazam]

supra RWD nufsed.

lol nah, having driven an NA supra 10million times, and never personally driven a DC5 (i've bin in 1 a million times also) the NA supra drives VERY well considering its age and lack of turbo.. but um petrol is realtively higher since they are like wat 3litres? and um yeh the RWD still works well without a turbo ;)


this is all street stff not tracktalk like ben

[adu]

yeah but supra are pretty old car's though (jst in general)

yeah its perception ... the car looks heavy and it kinda is ...

regarding engine conversion ... what wuld be the point of an engine conversion to a supra? (you will still pay for more petrol)

just get something thats powerful/has looks/ and cheaper on petrol

as 4000gt said .. look at your options and decide the best solutions for yourself

most people in this thread thinks you should get a

->dc2r
or
-> dc5r

but if you want luxury you should get the type s ...

plus insurance wouldn't be worth wild for an import car .... correct me if im wrong (too many hassles)

[kazam]

regarding engine conversion ... what wuld be the point of an engine conversion to a supra? (you will still pay for more petrol)

just get something thats powerful/has looks/ and cheaper on petrol



LOLOL wat do u mean wats the point of an engine conversion? do the eg boys swap their D's for B's so they can save on petrol costs LOLOL


2JZ TT is something that's powerful, and a supra does have looks, can't say much about the petrol but

[adu]

lmaoo

yeah but thats on a lighter car though ..


yeah supra does have looks even tho ITS AN OLDDD CARRRR

but man ... get something more modern ..

yes or no?

[4000gt]

i don't see how 2002 is that old???
what year was the last dc2r?

Like with most cars, petrol consumption depends on how you drive it... i use to be able to get 550km per tank out of the thing when driven responsibly, or i could get it down to a touch over 300km per tank with hooning.

yes, the honda will probably perform better on a track.... but be realistic, how often do you think the OP will see the track? Totally different class anyway!

I read the replies here and i see why the stereotype of honda drivers is what it is..... If fuel consumption is something that is important, stick with the honda....but remember, you can't make power without using fuel. There is only so much efficiency you can push out of a 2L n/a engine. That's why i swapped out my 2jz and have gone with a bigger engine. 5L v12, soon to be TT.

[Tofu]

to the Thread starter, don't even think about option 3!!
I've had a base dc5 and now have the TypeS, never again!!

buy the TypeS if you are just using it as a daily, and if you can stretch your budget a little.
The problem with the DC5R is that there's not many nice examples of them for under $25k anyway

[turbo convert]

n/a surpa is like putting badges on a vti-r and calling it a type r!
when you pull up to the line and people expect it to be turboed, at least people know what your honda is, and respect it! however its what the thread starter wants not the rest of us!

[mars_panas]

lets do a real life comparison.

look at any organized track day - such as SHIFT performance's last outing.

mostly hondas at the top and mostly rwd na and turbo'd at the bottom. Similar results at most other events.
The fact is a lighter less powerful FWD is much easier to drive and easier to drive FAST than a supra. Its a better bet for this particular person.

Hey Ben does that include Honda Jazz as well?? hahaha

[bennjamin]

id rather drive a jazz ( i do !) thana supra , thats just me. but with a k20 it includes the jazz lol

[Zilli]

LOL the basic design of a DC2R is 13 years old...LOL

[dudeoflife]

go and get yourself an S2000 ! better than both imo .. hehe maybe im bias tho =)

[NightKids]

i don't see how 2002 is that old???
what year was the last dc2r?

Like with most cars, petrol consumption depends on how you drive it... i use to be able to get 550km per tank out of the thing when driven responsibly, or i could get it down to a touch over 300km per tank with hooning.

yes, the honda will probably perform better on a track.... but be realistic, how often do you think the OP will see the track? Totally different class anyway!

I read the replies here and i see why the stereotype of honda drivers is what it is..... If fuel consumption is something that is important, stick with the honda....but remember, you can't make power without using fuel. There is only so much efficiency you can push out of a 2L n/a engine. That's why i swapped out my 2jz and have gone with a bigger engine. 5L v12, soon to be TT.

Yeah you say you can get 550kms but how big is your tank y0?

[Nepolian]

go and get yourself an S2000 ! better than both imo .. hehe maybe im bias tho =)

LOL....If you can find me a decent S2K for <$25K, I'd buy it tomorrow....

IMO.....The DC5R would do nicely all round in terms of looks/speed/power/efficiency/price etc.....

[Type R Positive]

yeah but supra are pretty old car's though (jst in general)

yeah its perception ... the car looks heavy and it kinda is ...
LOLS! Lighter than an Accord Euro..... ;)

[Type R Positive]

DC5R now, and get a turbo car later........

[4000gt]

Yeah you say you can get 550kms but how big is your tank y0?

60L.... yeah it is a bigger tank, but meh....

End of the day, apples and oranges....

if you're looking for power, forget the honda... if you're looking for agility, maybe the supra isn't such a great idea. That said, who of those giving opions on handling have actually driven both? The supra handles better than most people realise.... low COG, long wheel base, and stupid wide track width. Also, who here actually drives their car to its limit? i don't ever see that happening on the street, which is where your car will be 99% of the time (excluding purpose built track cars). I doubt many people can even drive their cars to their limits (myself included)...

So many reasons for getting either cars... quit letting people make your mind for you... drive both, then decide.

[jootx]

Wow so many replies.

Alright so I'm pretty much down to either a DC5S or DC5R. Leaning more towards the S because this is more of a daily get around car, and I've read that the S is more comfy and better "luxury optioned".

I guess I will wait till a year later, when I will come up with the ~25k and see how the prices of these 2 compare.

Thanks for the help guys! Praying the DC5S prices will skyrocket....into the ground.....wait that doesn't make sense.

Thanks again!

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

LOL....If you can find me a decent S2K for <$25K, I'd buy it tomorrow....

Actually this year there have been 3 clean beautiful examples fs that have gone for JUST under 25k

Honestly ive been in a supra and didnt enjoy it one bit (both N/A and Turbo)

If i was going to go RWD id go silvia (in before NS boy etc etc)

I would go DC5R honestly (though that sunroof is tempting)

IMO i think you should go for a test spin in a DC5S and R and see which you rather then go and buy one :)

[T-onedc2]

A friend has an NA Supra, chews petrol and tyres, and looks well dated. Performance wise no faster than VTi-R.

My choice would be DC5R/S, '05 DC5S is creeping into the 26k-30k and some are very good examples, in 12 months prices will be quite attractive, I'm looking to upgrade then also.

[dsp26]

n/a surpa is like putting badges on a vti-r and calling it a type r!
when you pull up to the line and people expect it to be turboed, at least people know what your honda is, and respect it! however its what the thread starter wants not the rest of us!

i kinda agree.. i personally just hate the thought of purchasing the 'base model' of any make coz you know you'll spend on it... kinda like the endless very expensive exercise of starting off with a vtir teg and installing go fast bits and it still won't be a dc2r until you've spent well past the value of one...

hence why i got my del sol... it is what it is... dc2r was out of price range and theres too many variations of eg civics..

[cris88]

hahaha wat a question to ask on a honda forumm......
dc5r ftw!:angel:

[T-onedc2]

i kinda agree.. i personally just hate the thought of purchasing the 'base model' of any make coz you know you'll spend on it... kinda like the endless very expensive exercise of starting off with a vtir teg and installing go fast bits and it still won't be a dc2r until you've spent well past the value of one...

hence why i got my del sol... it is what it is... dc2r was out of price range and theres too many variations of eg civics..
I'm really tired of this misconception, FYI VTi-R is not "base" and neither did every owner really want a Type R even though some of us could have bought one, eg. I wanted sound deadening & sunroof (sunroof defeats purpose of Type R IMO), I'd prefer a DC5S over DC5R for the similar but not the same reasons.

End Rant. :)

No offence to dsp26.

[Limbo]

Pure speed a turbo supra is hard to beat.
If you want a reliable and decent speed car, a Dc5 is the way to go.

You've got to live with your choice not us.

[dsp26]

I'm really tired of this misconception, FYI VTi-R is not "base" and neither did every owner really want a Type R even though some of us could have bought one, eg. I wanted sound deadening & sunroof (sunroof defeats purpose of Type R IMO), I'd prefer a DC5S over DC5R for the similar but not the same reasons.

End Rant. :)

No offence to dsp26.

lol fair enough and i know where your coming from.. you had specific requirements that could not be satisfied by the other.. in this instance a simple pro's vs con's would give the answer...

but i know you've seen it to wether on trading post, carsales, for sale section here.. there have been a lot of vti-rs with a shitload of ITR goodies...

performance modification wise i would take a different approach based on if i started with a DC2 or a DC2r because at the end of the day the car is only as it can get absed on how much of your 'plans' went ahead.


my 'base model' justification is just me i guess... but human nature for some to always want 'the best' and thats always subjective... we're all car freaks and our cars 'performance' however way you measure will always be part of the pride and joy and part of being an 'enthusiast' :)