For the new design of the Whiteline kit, it looks a bit like the ASR kit.
Would it means that it is better now and not tearing out the subframe?
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For the new design of the Whiteline kit, it looks a bit like the ASR kit.
Would it means that it is better now and not tearing out the subframe?
...NO it is actualyl quite the same as the old kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by 929
Why ?
Because the actual mounting to the subframe , is exactly the same as the old kit. And there is no "Backing plate" to further spread the load out.
it just looks blingy , IMO expect the same subframe issues in a few months/years time.
Are there any cases of the whiteline product tearing a subframe? There's so much negativity in here yet no links to problems? Infact, is there ANY evidence of subframe while using a reinforcement kit which incorporates the LCA bolt. Here's my opinions of the whole swaybar reinforcement idea.
When one wheel is forced into bump, the swaybar will try to pull up and away from the subframe through the D-bracket. Facing the hubs, you have a large vertical force upwards, and a smaller horizontal force away (relative magnitude depending on the location and orientation of the endlink and the relative positions of the swaybar mounting points on the D-bracket and LCA). The other side of the swaybar will see the opposite forces.
With just a D-bracket on the subframe, it's easy to visualise how a large vertical force will create a torque about either the upper or lower bolt depending on which side you are looking at for a given movement. You can test this with your hands - make a solid D-shape with your index finger and thumb and place it on your desk. Put another finger in the D and push on the inside of your index finger to simulate the swaybar.
When the LCA bolt is incorporated it will take the vertical load in it's stride. I guess it all comes down to, how well can the LCA subframe mounting bolt take unintended loads. It is clear that this section will be subjected to high levels of compression and tension through the axis of the axel - how strong is it under vertical compression and tension?
I've have the whiteline kit on my DA for over 2 years now. Until that LCA bolt moves, the rest of it is not budging a nanometre.
i am in the same boat as string. 22mm bar on a da9. i am yet to see tearing. however the day i hear about it from string mine will be coming off quick smart.
further to that, if you look here http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53696 youll see that the bolts going through the subframe are in fact inside the LCA bolt. Doubt there would be any forces from driving on public roads that could pull basically that entire ear off.
You really havent done much reading. There are numerous documented cases where the subframe has literally had a whole chunk ripped out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by string
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...teline+swaybar
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...teline+swaybar
The subframes we are talking about here are EK's and EG's.
It is irrelevant that it goes through the LCA. All of them do. You should read up on here and honda-tech about ripped/torn subframes and you will see exactly what the problem is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_will
Also, by the time that you see tearing/ripping, it is to late anyway.
string i have personally taken 8 whiteline swaybars off EK' with wrecked subframes from the product. I have also taken 2 off DC's for hte same reason. I have heard of multiple instances elsewhere on this forum , and outside too.
Its plain and simple a badly designed and manufactured product. The new kit fails to fix the fundamental problems of it. Whiteline should copy closer to the ASR kit.
I did not realise that there exists a different version to the one myself and mr_will use. We both have square brackets with the D-bracket mounting in line with the LCA bolt, and the attachment bolts on the inside of the LCA bolt. It's very obvious that the design that pushes the D-bracket out to the edge with the LCA bolt on the far opposite corner is terrible - did these only apply to EK/EG? Having the swaybar mounting point on the outside is asking for trouble regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
Do you have any photos of tear outs with the rectangular plates? I'd like to see what direction the bolts were pulling - mine is solid as a rock.
The stupid design you speak of is the EK design. The ED/DC also had a similar design , but with the swaybar mounting itself inline with the reinforcement too. Alittle more reliable but still prone to tear out.Quote:
Originally Posted by string
Appears to be a different design to what you And Mr will use.
We've got the DC bar, BHR36Z or something like that.
I don't know about Mr_Will but I use the whiteline tie-bar too, preloaded to give a fair bit of tension between the plates.
Info here is top stuff :thumbsup:
Wouldn't it be possible to recreate this backing plate which the whiteline kit is missing? Just grab some sheet alum, cut to the right spec and then secure using a nut/bolt system vs a threaded backing plate (like the ASR)?
Do you have a picture of the kit installed? I am curious to see what it looks like.Quote:
Originally Posted by string
It would have to be a pretty thick piece of aluminum (especially after seeing the ASR backing piece).Quote:
Originally Posted by SiReal