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No i wouldnt stuff around with the tune they come up withQuote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
Sounds like this company doesnt have much capital to play around with...hence the 100% upfront payment.
Its a cash flow issue, they can spend x amount of dollars to get the parts manufactured but how many people are going to buy it? In this instance the risk of stock lying around is too much of a tie up in cash.
At least this way they know how much they have to manufacture and therefore their losses are kept to a minimum, no stock lying around. Of course with economies of scale if they were to mass produce a thousand parts then the price would come down markedly....whether or not they get sold is another matter entirely.
Also of course...you dont work for nothing...no matter how much you love cars, honda's etc etc etc. So their cut is included there too....cant put food on the table if you have no money.
Update for the those people with 2006 & 2007 Euros
"With regards to the conditions for 2006 / 2007 models our JTune bolt on products are 100% compatible with all 2003 to 2007 Honda Accord Euros. Currently however our ECU for 2006 -2007 is still in the final stages of testing due to the extra dash features found on 2006 and 2007 models. The release of 2006 – 2007 ECUs will be staged after the release of 2003 to 2005 models. The conditions noted above are directly related to this."
So we have to wait a little longer ... :)
P.S. Quoted from Hondatech forum http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/sh...ted=1#post5410
okay i gotta clear things up, so for the extreme tuning the $4000 worth, it comes with headers, intake and exhaust as a whole package right ? so i dont need to have any other parts ?
Yup, but exclude tuning.
So that means the $4000+ package will have variable amounts of power depending on the car, as it's tuned individually.
Ergo the $899 will be a fixed tuned them? On a generic safe 98 ron level??
It includes tuning !!Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
Quoted from Hondatech.com.au
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=1564
The JTune Extreme package includes the following:
JTune Cold Air Induction system
JTune Performance 4-2-1 Headers
JTune Quad Muffler duel exit 3 inch exhaust system
JTune High flow catalytic converter
JTune Extreme Flash ECU Upgrade
JTune Hondata K24 Intake Manifold Gasket
The Price of the JTune Extreme package Pre Order is $3999.00 (AUD)
From the above, it would appear the Extreme package includes everything including tuning, the tuning would be in the Extreme Flash ECU Upgrade. The only thing not mentioned is installation, but I assume you can have it installed or do it your self as its completely bolt on.
James from JTune came to the Melb Euro meet and showed us all the details/products for the euro, install of all the JTune gear will be around $450 on top of the preorder price.Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
There is no tunning they just reflash the ecu the same time they install the parts as all the parts and the ecu will be the same for all euro's.
The benifit for Melb euro owners is we just drive into the workshop and the ecu is done locally. Interstate purchasers will still need to send off the ecu for the reflash to be done.
The hurdles for the final release is not the product but just some loose ends atm.
To add to the above statement, it's an approximate 4 hour drive in drive out for everything...
I think they dyno your car before and after installing the gear so you have some comparison.
You'll have to run 98 all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
i always run 98 all the time so i guess its alright for me. oh yeah btw this would void my warranty wouldnt it. i guess i gotta wait 5 years. lol
Depends on the fault with wty. If you're electric window breaks then that'll still be covered but if ya engin blows up then I doubt it.
Yours a 07 model.... slowly wait..... if Auto.... wait longer...Quote:
Originally Posted by r-r-redEuro
wait 5 years for warranty to finish =P not for hondata
For Brisbane Owners http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=1580
What about us in sydney?Anything happening for us?:angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
i wish this was released already
Here we go again!!WHEN is this going to be released???
If it's an '06 or '07 (like you and me) which still have a long way to go, I've heard something about June/July 2008 for the Hondata ECU reflash. Obviously the Jtune stuff like headers and exhaust will be available when the other stuff is released in December 2007/January 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
June!
:o
Dont ask for a date - every other date quoted has been wrong. Part of the reason I sold my car was being fed up waiting for this...Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
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Expected Release date – Mid September 2005 (posted July 2005)
Hondatech Exhaust, Intake and Headers Development – FINISHED (thread title April 2006)
Pre orders will begin in a few weeks (early Oct 2006)
The final product’s are very close to shipping, and a pre order will being in a few weeks (late Oct 2006)
Unfortunately there are more examples so you need to have the patience of a monk to endure the wait.
June July next year!!If that's the case count me out.I keep my cars for approx.4 yrs.I'm not spending 4k+fitting and have the car for less than 2 yrs.:thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukey13
Thats why im getting the reflash only. probably have my car for about 18 more months. $900 ok $4000+ not ok.
Yeah, $4K is a sh!teload of money to spend on the Euro. To me, the basic reflash is sounding like great bang-for-buck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
I too only keep new cars for 3-4 years so hopefully the reflash will be available well before I sell in 2010...
I guess they have missed the boat. I was wanting the reflash, but now I guess not since my car is reaching the 3 year mark.
Yep - I'm selling my Euro as well - Sorry James but you blew it with too much bs about the release date I'm guessing you have missed out on at least $10000 in lost sales -NOT a great way to start a new product line...
not a great way to do business at all!
iv been scratching my balls since sept 05 waiting for this tune
sick of false promises and sick of not having the mid range torque that i crave
ill be selling my euro because of this monstrosity
http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/d/de/deziner...isapointed.jpg
Apparently the website will be released in a week...
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/sh...7&postcount=79
hey guys im back! bloody apec!
anyways, the jtune website is up! but theres nothing more than a jtune logo there for now... hopefully theyll get the entire thing up this week?
Yeah, cant wait, probably just a few touch-ups of the websites to be done i reckon and then, bamm kgorelease. LOL
James showed us his website.... Got the looks, got the info... Now is just the wait for GoLive.....
I really hope they deliver the goods this time. They've caused quite a bit of disappointment and the only thing they can do now is deliver a faultless product that performs as good as the hype surrounding it.
The official countdown has begun, 6 days to go.
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=1588
Is this a countdown to when they will release a release date? :)
LOL! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
mMmMmM, not long now, apparently less than 9 hours or so.....
So tomoz should be quite an interesting day for J-Tune :D
I was going to hold my breath in anticipation......
...........but on second thoughts.........not a good idea!
Quote..."good things come to those who wait"....apparently
ooo can't wait ;)
What are we waiting for really? Just more information yah?
i think their releasing all the info u need to buy it??
The jtune website is working now. Finally!
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**squeals like a girl** LOL
JTune website is up an running......:D:thumbsup:
LOL, yerp, looking over it myself now. So just wanna intake and reflash for some extra go and intake noise. *looks at wallet* damn, no $$$$$ again :(
VTEC crossover for the Extreme flash is at 3148rpm!! Much lower than I expected..
yay so this actually is for sale :thumbsup: Things I found interesting!
- The extreme package is ballsy. At about 4300rpm the extreme package is putting out more power than a stock euro at 7000rpm and you take off from there! With a nice mph of 101.8 there must be more potential than 14.89 over the ¼.
- Note that reference point for stock euro on this dyno is around 125kw so be careful comparing the Jtune numbers to other dynos.
- you can reflash back to stock for a fee
- there is no "mid" flash for people with existing aftermarket i/h/e. At one stage there was going to be something like that. I think this may disappoint a few who do not want to sell existing bolt ons. It is all or nothing at the moment - a base flash for a stock Euro (all others) or extreme package with all the jtune bolt ons.
- The base reflash with intake is not producing as much power as I thought it might. A little surprised actually.
- The chart showing the jtune bolt ons (without any flash) is really impressive. The car achieves almost 150kw at the hubs with just bolt ons. Very surprised by this.
- Once you have put in an order delivery will take 6 to 10 weeks so excited people with cash will need to wait a bit longer.
I'm confused?
In the hondatech quizz game James states on p3 that someone had been within 2 rpm of the correct figure.
The lowest guess had been 3850 at that time.
However the exact figure was 3152 rpm.....how is this 2 rpm from 3850.
The majority of people who guessed after the "2 rpm off"
statement guessed 2rpm difference from a previous guess.
Am I just confused or has this been just another case of misinformation?
My life has hit its peak so young
Does this mean the 06-07 reflash could be ready as early as october
I can understand paying up front and waiting maybe 10 weeks for the hardware to arrive, but not too keen on paying for the reflash up front with a possible 3 month wait for a 15 min reflash.
$3k up front and $1k at reflash time would have been much fairer, after all, all manufacturing costs are covered by payment in advance.
Anyone willing to drive to melbourne with me for the ECU reflash? i cant be f*#@ed taken out my ecu and sending it... sydney guys?
I need to absorb all this. ...
site looks good. want some feedback first before planning to invest in this tho =p
i might be buying a 350z if this falls though this week im getting the extreme for sure
The stock dyno results look consistant to me. Where does it quote 120+kw? It makes 120+ on the hub at peak after 6000rpm vtec but never actually quotes it.
The reflash only certainly isn't making as much as I thought. I did expect another reflash if you got the intake and exhaust but not the headers. This would give decent results between the 2 basic and extreme packages I would think and quite good for road use.
I just want the wheels on the white Euro. Mine's white and that looks sexy as.
Hi everyone I’m Tom, and I also own a 2003 Manual Euro, good to hear you like the site BusterSonic12.
Thanks Tom
So tom,
Which one have you got fitted and whats it like?
Im keen on the reflash and their Intake. Looks like about 20nm ATW accross the rev range which is good for $1350.
I'd like to see some comments from real users first.
I can get mine flashed till the end of month cause im getting a new set of keys flashed by honda as I lost a set.
The reflash does make significant power gain on the vtec transisition point but the peak power doesn't do much check the usa hondata. It is showed the gain around 2-4 hp at wheel at peak however this only on stock car. The more you modify your car the higher the gain combining with the ecu tuning.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
Look at the stock dyno. Look at the power at about 6800rpm.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
Yer but people were saying it's 105 somewhere and 120 somewhere else (or maybe I read it wrong). It only says 105 because thats the rpm point that the extreme makes it's peak power (and good too to make it around 5000rpm)
Different dynos give different readings. A hub dyno gives slightly higher readings because it it removes the tyre/rim factor.
What feedback do you want I can tell you the car is very quick.... and when you put your foot down a smile appears on your face.. It goes boy does it go.Quote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
just like after a month or so, any problem appearing etc. is the torque steering massive since that's a bit of kw on a front wheel drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
vtec engage soo early LOL that's ike vtec on a normal straight road hahahhaa
i was planning to get a dc5r after my hsc's over, now i m tempted to sell my auto and get a manual + this.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
Let's meet for lunch again and let me drive and see if I have a smile too :D
It's torque that causes torque steer, not kW. You can have a 200kW engine FWD which makes peak power at 8600rpm but the torque is still the same as a stock k24a (223Nm), thus making it as drivable as a stock Euro (assuming you use the same gear ratios as the Euro).Quote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
That being said, the extreme package has an extra 80Nm to the wheels over a stock Euro, so there should be more torque steer than the stock car.
I'll be popping into Revzone on Wed to get my Toda headers installed. Will check out the Jtune system when I'm there as well.
What's the alternative to overcome the torque steer? will LSD do it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
LSD will stop wheel spin... theres no real way to stop torque steer, its not a bad thing, u just have to adjust your driving to suit itQuote:
Originally Posted by ALN
Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
Well isn't LSD function is to equally distribute the power to both front wheels as the torque steer may be caused by the too much wheel spin on one of the wheel. Correct me if I'm wrong.
LSD will make torque steer even worse. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ALN
Without an LSD, you get one wheel on the slippery side and all the torque will go to the spinning wheel, so the wheel with grip won't have torque and hence won't accelerate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALN
When you have an LSD under the same condition, torque is transferred to the wheel with grip instead of being lost in the slippery wheel side. So you get torque on the grippy tyre and torque on the slippery tyre. So what does this cause? TORQUE STEER!
That is why an LSD makes torque steer worse. :)
yeah but without LSD youd prob have one wheel spinnning the other gripping, so you could half steer... with LSD both wheels spinning, i think itd be worseQuote:
Originally Posted by ALN
They havea JTune "Ultimate" package coming with the Toda cams.. :( Guess I won't be in a hurry to flash my ECU now and then reflash it to the Ulti Flash later.
Great explanation, thanks:thumbsup:. I almost buy a LSD since I will replace my clutch again so I thought I could save labour cost once.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Maybe just get the extreme package now if you are interested. The cams will add quite a bit to the cost and if you want to upgrade the flash later you do not pay full price (i think only $220)Quote:
Originally Posted by ^__^ SM ^__^
Does anyone know how much the base reflash actually costs to be installed? Can't see it listed on the install section.
Nah, with an LSD, both wheels are meant to grip, not spin. But with a helical LSD, it works by preventing spin. If the wheel manages to spin due to a factors such as low grip on both front tyres, then the LSD will end up working like an open diff.Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
Nice website. Finally some info released.....:thumbsup:
If the US Hondata reflash is anything to go by, if you have I/H/E you will make more power from the reflash than if you just had a stock car, but obviously you won't make as much power as the extreme package.
The Jtune hardware is on the expensive side imo but the quality looks good:
$450 CAI - similar to the price of the Injen CAI
$1595 headers - similar price to Toda headers - a lot more expensive than DC sports/Comptech
$1995 exhaust - more expensive than most exhausts out there except the ultra high end ones
The reflash at $990 isn't too bad. I hope it can improve that annoying DBW lag and give the car more drivability.
Engine torque damper (ETD) may reduce it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALN
I can't wait for the video links to work so we can have a listen to the setup. After all, the sound experience is a very important aspect of a performance setup.
An ETD doesn't do anything for torque steer. ETD helps with wheelhop.