[Euro] Hondata Update

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Originally Posted by EUR003act

cheers for that buddy! good info!

lol TODA headers... 10-12kw atw gain... $1500... :thumbsup:

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No worries, it's good to share :p

The 10-12kw gain for the Toda Header includes an after market metal substrate cat, so technically that's not one modification as some of the gains come from replacing the cat ;) Toda header, with metal cat all installed for $1500 also sounds a bit cheap?

I've got all the bolt-ons I want now, so tuning is the final piece of the puzzle. I almost feel guilty for not taking full advantage of some of the parts I have with a tune lol.

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Originally Posted by johnprocter

lol wouldnt stage2 camshafts get you more than that for around $1500 installed?

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Negative captain... you're going to run into all sorts of driveability/reliability problems if you install stage2 camshafts without a proper tune. You might "get away with it" but there are very few workshops that would tell you installing cams without a tune is a good idea.

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Originally Posted by johnprocter

lol wouldnt stage2 camshafts get you more than that for around $1500 installed?

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Maybe, maybe not, especially without the appropriate compression

I have had my e-manage ultimate for a few months sitting at home..
will post in the emanage thread once I am free and get it tuned.

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Originally Posted by kitbkk

I have had my e-manage ultimate for a few months sitting at home..
will post in the emanage thread once I am free and get it tuned.

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i will too puahahaha :p
once i finish my performance mods first then will tune.

Very interested into hearing the outcome of this emanage kitbkk and Craodaz.

You will be setting a benchmark as I havent heard of anyone doing it.

Wondering about the ecu unlearning also ... but if the emamage actually delivers the complete signal i dont see how this will be a problem.

Is the emanage expensive in australia?

go for the stage2 camshafts at the same time with a piggyback like emannage..... then you will get more :p

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Originally Posted by Suntzu

Very interested into hearing the outcome of this emanage kitbkk and Craodaz.

You will be setting a benchmark as I havent heard of anyone doing it.

Wondering about the ecu unlearning also ... but if the emamage actually delivers the complete signal i dont see how this will be a problem.

Is the emanage expensive in australia?

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Check this thread out for two Euro's that have run the ultimate:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...anage+ultimate

Like I said I contacted ALN and he said the ECU didn't relearn, even after 7 months.

Here's some more info about how the ultimate works:

Map(s)

• Airflow Output Map - Previously labeled “Airflow Adjustment Map” is now “Airflow Output Map”. (#)This can now used to eliminate the factory airflow meter. This is done by directly inputting voltage or frequency in to this map.
• Anti Engine Stall Feature - The 8 adjustment cells are now upgraded to 16 cells, for even finer adjustment.
• Injection Adjustment Map - Fuel trimming in the previous system was achieved by adjusting the “Airflow Adjustment Map” which could also affect the ignition timing. The improved “Injection Adjustment Map” is used to trim and add fuel directly by controlling the injector signal, therefor it will not affect the ignition timing at all. (However with an internal jumper setting change, the system is still able to trim the fuel by adjusting the airflow signal like the previous unit)
• Acceleration Injection Map - Like the “Injection Adjustment Map”, the “Acceleration Injection Map” can trim fuel by controlling the injector signal. This is used if it is necessary to smooth rapid transitions to wide open throttle.
• Individual Cylinder Injection Adj. & Individual Cylinder Ignition Adj. Maps - It is possible to correct uneven combustion between cylinders, by fine tuning each individual cylinder for more advanced tuning.
• Vehicle Speed Correction Map - Inconsistencies due to differences in vehicle speed (difference in load) can be corrected with this map.
• Coolant Temp Correction Map (Must be Selected with Knock Signal 1) - When the ECU Coolant Temp Calibration does not match the e-manage’s tuning, this map is used to tune the system at various temperature ranges.
• Intake Air Temp Correction Map (Must be Selected with Knock Signal 2) - When the ECU Intake Air Temp Calibration does not match the e-manage’s tuning, this map is used to tune the system at various temperature ranges. (#)This map is also be used when eliminating the airflow meter on a vehicle equipped with a hotwire type airflow meter.
• Rev Limiter Cut - For vehicles with a fuel cutting controlled rev limiter, this feature will drive the injectors past the factory rev limiter. *This feature will not work on vehicles with rev limiter controlled by ignition cut.
• A/F Target Value Map (feedback tuning function) - By inputting target Air Fuel values in this map, “e-mange Ultimate” will automatically make corrections to the “Injection Map,” if an A/F meter (*high quality) is connected to the Auxiliary Output signal. This feature can shorten the tuning time.
• Ignition Adjustment Map - The “Ignition Adjustment Map” can accurately advance ignition timing by controlling the crank angle / cam angle signal.
• Acceleration Ignition Map - Ignition timing can also be corrected for a rapid change in the throttle opening rate for a smoother transition into wide open throttle.
• NVCS Control Map - NVCS (Nissan Valve Control System) can be controlled with out the need for NVCS Adapter 1.
• Analog Output Map - This feature can be used to eliminate the factory boost cut function on vehicles that are equipped with both an airflow meter and a pressure sensor (i.e.: FC3S, Subaru). Also, on some vehicles, the factory feedback range can be adjusted by outputting a corrected throttle position signal.
• Auxilary Output Map - The fixed 4x4 map on the previous unit is now a fully adjustable 16x16 map. Set your own "ON" and "OFF" conditions.
• Idle Stabilization Map - If the factory idle control valve is a solenoid type valve, this map can vary the valve’s duration to adjust the injection rate. (#)This is used when eliminating the airflow meter.

source: http://www.titanmotorsports.com/greul.html

Crapdaz and kitbkk

Are either of you going to be running the v-manage as well?

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Originally Posted by D R U

Crapdaz and kitbkk

Are either of you going to be running the v-manage as well?

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no, i am getting drilled by my parents to stop wasting money on the car and spend money on my future e.g saving for a house.

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Originally Posted by Suntzu

Very interested into hearing the outcome of this emanage kitbkk and Craodaz.

You will be setting a benchmark as I havent heard of anyone doing it.

Wondering about the ecu unlearning also ... but if the emamage actually delivers the complete signal i dont see how this will be a problem.

Is the emanage expensive in australia?

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The piggyback harness bypasses the ECU from relearning.

Cost should be around $600-700 or so depending where you get it from and then tuning is like another $650.

same here, I wont be spending anymore to my car...
Tuning will probably the last thing I do to it.

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Originally Posted by Suntzu

Very interested into hearing the outcome of this emanage kitbkk and Craodaz.

You will be setting a benchmark as I havent heard of anyone doing it.

Wondering about the ecu unlearning also ... but if the emamage actually delivers the complete signal i dont see how this will be a problem.

Is the emanage expensive in australia?

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fatfish on this forum is running emanage. its also tuned. i dont think he had dyno'd yet but im pretty sure he will get around 130-140kw atw.

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Originally Posted by r-r-redEuro

fatfish on this forum is running emanage. its also tuned. i dont think he had dyno'd yet but im pretty sure he will get around 130-140kw atw.

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what car?