it'll happen one day, enough creative minds out there and people with time on their hands and initive :)
I look forward to the next d16 turbo build in oz :)
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it'll happen one day, enough creative minds out there and people with time on their hands and initive :)
I look forward to the next d16 turbo build in oz :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
Let's not forget Jonny (A.C.S Drag) who ran 11.6 in his built D16A8 CRX which made 245kw ATW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23nYHxrmpZQ
as i said lot of talk not enough doing in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
you can talk it can do this do that
but no real world results
so what if they can do it in the states
were talking about aussie cars
someone do a build thread with a d series single came turbo thread from start to finish
and post prices/power figures, and times etc
so then people can see the real cost and actually what can be achieved
not this bullshit of it can do that do this
jons car imo has a zc motor not a d series as thats its real engine name
twin cam is alot different to a single cam
the zc motor was the basis for the bseries
for people that didnt know
D series engines make 70-120hp yes? 120hp being the vtec models.
B series engines make 150-186hp.
B16 half-cut cost costs about $4K yes?
Lets say you take your D out chuck the B in there then sell off excess parts and make $1K
so a B16 conversion is about $3K if you DIY
Can you make similar power/reliability for the same cost of modding your D?
Maybe a turbo right?
You'll need (rough estimate of parts):
Turbo
manifold
wastegate
BOV
Intercooler piping
Oil feed line
Oil return line
While you're at it may aswell upgrade your exhaust too for all that extra power right?
You will also need oils for the turbo
Then you need to sort out all the electronics, guages, boost controller+solenoid, map sensor
Then you need to do all the wiring and get it tuned OMG so much work.
Would be cool if you can do all that for under $3K right?
I don't want to knock you guys and discourage you, the D series engine is nice for a daily
and stuff, but it was not designed as a high performance engine, and if you want
to make it a high performance engine you're going to need a lot of money.
We all know D isnt a performance engine.... But its good to know what can be done to make it a better engine
I for one would go for B18c swap, given that its cheaper than B16 swap, but considering that many have gone with that route, might be refreshing change to go boosting that shopping cart engine
4k for halfcut, factor in another 1-1.5k for labor, greddy kit is around 4k, so same price, but power difference 100kw@wheels, vs 130kw@wheels?
Reliability issues? what issues, only issues iev really come across are just tune related, other than that, its just like ur normal typical car, just service it normal, and treat it well, a good tuned car will run for miles before anything goes bang, applies for n/a and turbo
In the end its just a matter of preference
Id be lucky to get 1k if i sell off my D-series stuff...including motor
D to B comparisons are stupid. Lets move on.
Honestly i have read the argument time and time again with nothing really new to stimulate me. I still dont see Australia will ever see a Full blown Sohc D16... especially with the stigma that surrounds it.
And yes i agree with Lan. John's Dohc Zc is closer to being a B16a then D16y
Quote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
Your opinion is wrong. It's a D16A8, and therefore it's a D-series. ZC is a very similar engine anyway, virtually the same but for minor differences.
Furthermore I am responding to Ben who asked if anybody has built a D-series, NA or turbo, and run a 1/4 mile time with it. I'm not talking about SOHC D-series engines. I just showed him an example of a worked D-series as he requested.
and the circle continues...
there is almost nothing productive coming of this thread as half the D-series people wont spend the $$ and time to make a monster D and the B-Series and UP engine owners just come in here and harass more than they give useful D-series info
2cents
I'll be taking my D15B4 Twin Carb out to eastern creek for a 1/4 mile when I do abit more work on it for shits and giggles to see what the D-twin carb gets :D
hahah in for updates tiks!Quote:
Originally Posted by tiksie
the d16a is badged in australia
the correct name for it when that motor was released was a zc
you know it as a d series
i dont class it as a d series imo
stupid honda australia likes re name alot of things heres a example
lets no compare the dseries to other motors
we need ozhonda members to post up mods/cost and figures for members to see what they can do
The SOHC d16 in japan was also stamped as ZC, just to fuel whatever fire is going on.
^Interesting point.
So in fact the D16A8 and the DOHC ZC are the same, but for the smallest of differences. Either way, the D16A8 is a D-series hence it's stamped with a D - whether it's the basis for the B-series or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
True what hitoriko said, this thread is basically people saying how great the D series can be, sitting there defending with what it can be and not with actual evidence basically , the only people that can actually be not biased is someone that has experienced both motors and only person is Lukezen i think.
Ive owned and modded both
D seriously isnt worth spending big $$$ on.
Even Lukezen has said his D was a waste of time haha.
quick question, where can i tap on the block/head for water an oil lines, as well as return lines?
yeah spee but also a single cam dseries what was 1.5 made 130hp and came with a optional lsd
which was the d15b
D series came with optional LSD ? Really ?
Did we get any D15B motors ?
AFAIK, the D15B7 makes 115HP if im not mistaken.
And the D15B4 makes 105HP.
Also what does a EK4 do 1/4 mile, and whats the power figures for the B16A2 ? (at the wheels)
Ek4 dead standard prob flat 15. No - don't tell mr
Your friend did a 14.5 with a CAI and no interior lol.
Depending on dyno - about 85kw atw.
The d16a8/zc was hondas finest d series. It was used as a race engine :-)
The b16a , was the next gen of the zc - this is obvious as the d16a8 uses b series driveshafts (midshaft is a tiny bit
Different but still interchangeable) clutch and flywheel is same spline number etc.
Anyway , the second Honda made
The b16a is the second that WE should of all realised that the d series
Is a economy engine.
looolQuote:
Originally Posted by tai
There was a few different D series equipped cars that came with optional LSD's.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
That 130hp D15 had 3 stage VTEC too.
what? the 3 stage vtec isnt 130hp.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Sp33~
Are you talking about an Australian delivered engine? Because I'm not.Quote:
Originally Posted by mocchi
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Sp33~
Isn't this 3-stage VTEC engine only available in some Asian and South American countries and is built for economy and good-emission ratings?
Let me find a link..
Here we go, it's pretty poorly translated, but you get the gist.
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate
Not really sure where it was marketed, but it was an economy and emissions based engine. (I'm no EK specialist :P)Quote:
Originally Posted by dougie_504
I think alot of the D-guys tap into the oil pan, then a t-piece where the oil sensor sits on the back of the block. Im unsure however, on the waterline. Im presuming this is for a turbo, is ur turbo watercooled?1Quote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
what? there are 2 variants in d15b vtec.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Sp33~
- 3 stage vtec. or fake vtec.
- 'plain' vtec. 3 rocker on intake side.
3 stage isnt 130 hp.
lol learn to read brooooo...Quote:
Originally Posted by mocchi
He never said d15B
He just said 3 stage vtec d15.
It's called D15Z7.
Even wikipedia says it. Becaue wikipedia info is always 100% FACT!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_D_engine#D15Z7
what? we were talking about d15b. BRO.Quote:
Originally Posted by newpaddy3
90lan: yeah spee but also a single cam dseries what was 1.5 made 130hp and came with a optional lsd
which was the d15b
sp33: There was a few different D series equipped cars that came with optional LSD's.
That 130hp D15 had 3 stage VTEC too.
mocchi: what? the 3 stage vtec isnt 130hp.
http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/20854...jpg?1254036152
riveting tale innit? bro.
ohhh... shut up I have a headache lol...
Friend of mine had a EJ8 coupe (D16Y8) with a trust turbo kit (de comp plate, upgraded fuel system running 14psi - pulled 135kw atw).
Drove it many times and thought it was fast as. Definatly for a daily driver lol.
Guess it depends how much money you have and how much power you want (how much do you really need?)
Should really aim for a good balance of handeling, breaking and power. I personally think the 135atw was too much power. Hard a lot of torque too.
I dunno if you're going to try arguing the technicalities, but did you check the link i posted? 3 stage VTEC 1.5L 130PS. If your point is that PS and HP are slight variants of power then i think you're just being petty.Quote:
Originally Posted by mocchi
The d15 i was talking about isn't a d15b, but i'm pretty sure that's what Lan meant and i didn't feel the need to have to pick up on it.
hehe no, i wasnt picking on you, just didnt want ppl to get confused you know. like state regulations, so many ppl answer based on their state, others from other state thinks same regulation applies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Sp33~
putting older engine in newer chassis doesnt seem like a problem for state of NSW, it is against the regulation for VIC.
sorry if i sounded like i was picking on you bud.
Have you reported all offensive or offtopic posts ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dougie_504
I report a few myself over the last few monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
Today i report one then just went complete off topic and though to myself "what a wast of thread"
Every B series love come in to this thread and bully's and harass d series lovers or member and saying go b series
if you wish ben, i would go through the hold thread summit a report or write down the post number
Will take a few hours or go through the thread delete all the harassment post yourself
Or best make a new section for D series for people asking question and help out our d series members, Would be hell alot easy
How about we forget what has offended and start from here on in. Ive removed a few spam posts over teh last few pages. I will not remove this thread as its a resource.
There will NOT be a dedicated d series section as there is no need for it. No other engine has a dedicated thread for discussion like this.
Any off topic or otherwise spam posts will be soft deleted and possibly infracted. Keep it on topic guiz.
Just thought I would put up my post from my thread about carbs in here for the D carbs:
Just thought this information would come in handy to the very very very small minority of people with carby hondas that are actually contemplating on modding it.
I will keep updating this thread when I do more and more research.
Information about K&N filters with your carby setup:
http://asia.vtec.net/beystock/k&n/
Twin Carb Vaccuum connections:
http://media.honda.co.uk/car/owner/m...2sk301/6-4.pdf
Part numbers for carbs:
http://www.webercarburetors.com/ppw/...uide/honda.htm
Redline Wber carbs:
http://www.alamomotorsports.com/weber/honda_carb.html
As far as I can tell, the following are compatible with the D twin carb setup coupled with a Rowland M043 Manifold found here (D15B4): http://www.manifolds.co.za/
Weber DCOE 40
Delorrtos 40mm (found in old alfa's)
Downdraft Carburetor Tuning Guide
http://www.dimequarterly.tierranet.c...ing_guide.html
More information will be added once I do more research.
Keihin Carb information:
http://www.gadgetjq.com/keihin_carb.htm
Part numbers for jets and needles:
http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/hdcvcarbappendix.htm
Suitable pumps:
Walbro bellows pumps are time-tested, reliable units that offer exceptional versatility for carbureted applications. One model fits most domestic cars and trucks. A second number covers most imports.
Walbro bellows pumps provide reliable, positive fuel flow for easier starting and reduced vapor lock problems. They are easy to install, and come complete with installation instructions and mounting hardware.
High performance and adjustable pressure bellows pumps are also included in the Walbro lineup, to satisfy special application needs.
In addition to automotive applications, Walbro bellows pumps are used in a variety of fluid delivery systems in industrial, agricultural and other specialized fields.
Part Number Pump Old Part Number MSRP Price
2404 6V Standard pressure
[4-6 psi]
flow graph WEP11
Autopulse 2102
Dupree 802
2401 12V Standard pressure
[4-6 psi]
flow graph WEP12 Autopulse 2101
Dupree 801
2402 12V Low pressure
[2.5-4 psi]
flow graph WEP13 Autopulse 2113
Dupree 803
2402IP 12V Import
[2.5-4 psi]
same pump as 2402, but with mounting kit for most import vehicles
flow graph WEP42 Autopulse 2240
Dupree 840
2403 12V adjustable
[1.75-6 psi]
flow graph WEP38 Autopulse 2138
Dupree 838
You want a average of 3-4 psi for mild setups.
Wouldn't mind these for my D15B4:
http://www.alamomotorsports.com/weber/2xDCOE.jpg
Coupled with a Rowland M043 intake manifold.
I will eat B16's for lunch! And will cost half the price of a conversion..And this coming from a Carby haha.
Just give me some time fellas, I want to preety much have more power than a EK4, since the B16 came stock in them, they're around the 6-8k mark, so I will need to work with my D15B4 twin carb motor, produce better 1/4 mile times then a EK4, better power at the wheels then a EK4, and all of that for half the price of a EK4. Then we can finally close this case.
From different perspectives, its about 3-4k for getting a B16 intalled into a EG, with half of that money, I will try to make the car faster then a B16 EG with a twin carby!
Does an off-topic post need to be reported by a regular member before a mod realises it's off-topic?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
I'd be very surprised if all these posts went unnoticed by mods just because they weren't reported - I've seen you yourself posting regularly and my initial involvement in this thread was to respond (appropriately I might add) to one of your questions (see posts #1202 on page 101), which led to more of the usual B-series VS D-series and off-topic bullying crap.
I'm all for discussion but I ended up with some bucket-head telling me he doesn't class a D16A8 as a D-series because it's a ZC in Japan.
Nothing against you Ben, I appreciate your mature input and I don't want you to think I'm singling you out.
I like what you're trying to do mate, but how are you going to make that much power? Do you have a build thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by tiksie
Back on topic - has anybody in OZ used Vitara pistons in their D-series turbo setup?
I think few have i know, there one of the guy in crx aus i know of who has gone quite
Just currently doing more research into what carb setup to go with, what manifold setup to use what exhaust system to use and what cam setup to use.
http://www.alamomotorsports.com/weber/2xDCOE.jpg
I think i'd be concerned about block to firewall clearance with these, might be worth checking out in the early stages of your project.
I'm preety sure the manifold I'm getting will give me good clearance with the firewall to accomodate for the webbers.
Currently waiting for a reply from the states in regards to what I need in regards to:
chokes
Main jet
Air jet
emulsion
Idle jet fuel size Hole Size
pump jet
needle valves
Will get more measurements for the DCOE 40's and the manifold to measure it on my motor to firewall.
been killing to see itbs on a d16y8 :)
They're actually webers going onto a D15B4 :)
dougie 504
because a the zc motor is still a class above the single cam d series motor
if you know your history of honda motors
you would understand
so guess i can talk about zc motors in this thread as technically they are a d series motor to you
ryan
rob from hi power racing has done the zc itb's set up before talk to ivan he will tell you the details
oops sorry d series for you audm yo guys
tiksie 3-4 k is definitely over pricedQuote:
Originally Posted by tiksie
you can get b16 series set ups for 1-2k these days do the install yourself
like you are installing your set up i assume
most b16a egs do 14.5 - 14.8 with i/e
or you can get eg b16a for 5-7 k these days so why waste you money doing a conversion for 3-4k
when most of the work has been done
only replied as you brought up the subject of d versus b
but tiksie it will be great if you do this itb mod to show another option instead of going turbo
cant wait for your results
make sure you post up no's times mate
Cheers Lan.
Yeah I will be getting it dynoed when I'm done with it all and hitting the strip!
I will be comparing it to the B16A2 EK4 as we never got the EG6 here in Aus (afaik)... Since we are talking about comparing AUDM motors ofcourse :)
Along with having fun with working on the D series, I just want to get better statistics then a B16 (keeping costs in mind, not performance parts).. If it was the latter, then ofcourse the B series has no limits to modification and will run a muck over the D series.
I just want to show people that you can get decent power out of D's aswell..Especially with carbs! With a small budget.
Since it would cost me 2K max for all B16 gear to convert into my EG, I will keep the benchmark at 1.5K for mods.
I won't go turbo with a carby motor, as much as you can, it's too much work needed imo. Keeping it all NA!
in for this! got a budget sheet or project timeline?Quote:
Originally Posted by tiksie
Interested to see your results. Great to see someone doing it instead of just running their mouth. Even if it ends up slower than an ek4, at least you have the sound of open webers to keep you happy
I will keep all results in my thread:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...in-Carby-Build!
Currently got these coming from Italy:
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p.../IMG_03961.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p.../IMG_03951.jpg
That's so cool Tiksie!!!
props to you nice to see some one in this thread doing somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by tiksie
and not just talking about it
will keep a eye on it
1+ good work, aytac , going to sound pretty nice when done ay
I'm doing something LAN!! lol
:)
Timmy and I just watch 'The pursuit of Function',got the link from a thread on here,if anyone hasn't seen,gotta watch it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaeHpKgocqc
Throttle response and power gained from webbers is amazing in itself! The sound is also amazing, wonder how it would sound on a d-series!Quote:
Originally Posted by GSi_PSi
I used to have a V8 before so I'm a little familiar with tuning carbs, so hopefully it's not too hard!
Awesome.PLEASE post Vids Tiks!!
When I'm all done I will :)
Excellent.
seems like they have very friendly attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
haha mocchi,I love the honesty in it.
Nice vid - it's really nice when you hear people describing your life in the car scene so well like they really understand.
I especially enjoyed when they were talking about the feeling of having a project car, that is how it becomes your life and you put all your money and time into it and everybody around you knows that it's your priority :)
I loved when he said he laughed when he found his car had been stolen,I got that! And he was like 'That car didn't make me,I made that car!' and got over it.But the story didn't end there,I won't blow it for other's but a definate watch aye,great story,the pioneers of the now established honda moding scene.I might watch it again hehehe
Found an old thread -
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...ted-single-cam
ahah yeh thats a pretty awsome build!
with theD series gear box, are the bearings a common problem? how long can u drive it until it becomes super loud
I just replaced mine - 190,000km before I started hearing the input shaft bearing become noisy. I drove 10,000km's before I replaced it. Spigot bearing was also on the way out but not as bad
ISB is supposed to be a pretty common one to become a problem
ahh LOL , my car is 300,000 ( hwy driving) and i just started hearing some whiny noises. not enough to hear when driving with radio at any volume but when its dead quiet it gets annoying. at 10,000kms was the noise bad?
how much was the bearings btw? how much was labour?
My EF8 has 99,500 KMs on it and it's been rattling the whole time I had it (since 96,000).
DOHC D series carby goodness :)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...100_0846-2.jpg
Same setup that I'm going for, the only difference being that those are 45DCOE webbers, I got 40DCOE.
I'd tap that.
Has anyone tried E10 yet?
I've run it before (by accident). Couldn't tell the difference between that and V power.
A DOHC d16a8 Zc looks Mean :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tiksie
i like it but i would go from efi to Dual carbs
tiksie look forward to your D16b with webber's goes once it going
You heading to Sydney ozhonda meet next wed night?
D15B* :p
Nah not going to the meet, I don't have a car worthy to showcase haha.
By the way, that motor is a D16A9 :p
what makes it a d16a9 ? Only difference is it came without a cat ! Also it is OBD1 ( same as local d16a8 in the Si )Quote:
Originally Posted by tiksie
The engine number makes it a D16A9 ben lol.
Sorry I can't see it from that angle obviously on that picture lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiksie
Still a d series :p