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Agreed, its only as good as the install!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sp00ny
That being said though, rules out the possiblility of most DIY getting a good job done anyhow. Speak to the installer yourself and ask exactly how the installation will be completed, not the guy selling the alarm system =)
true true.....
no matter how good the alarm is if they're gonna rip it, they will. (tow truck).
yeah they just rip off the alarm siren & throw it and then your stuffed.
If they really want your car they will get it.
The alarm is just to make it harder so they pick on something else
How about a covertly placed kill switch? Can theives bypass those too?
a smart thieve canQuote:
Originally Posted by flipfire
say for instance if it's a fuel pump cut off all they need to do is give the fuel pump power via a piece of wire with aligator clips on the ends
then there is no need to find the switch
I see, looks like prevention is hard.
I guess i should be looking at retrieval options.
What about a custom GPS transponder or quiktrak?
they send out same signal as mobile phones didQuote:
Originally Posted by flipfire
remember when your phone was about to ring and the radio would go nuts
well once the tracker is active all you need is a hand held radio that you run over the car and when it goes nuts your near the transmiter
then you just find it rip it out and chuck it
and back to instalation issue companies that fit these trackers are lazy and always install them in the same set places
for instance strathfield car radios install them behind the glove box in WRX's
I agree to an extent. If one wanted to go to greater extent to cut-off the Fuel Pump. Cut the ground wire at the fuel pump itself. No matter what you do, you cannot add a ground to it without gaining access to it. The fact that most Honda's have the fuel pumps under the seats means that it is VIRTUALLY impossible to remove all this whilst stealing the car unless it was VERY carefully planned... and if they went to this much trouble...they would be watching you to see where it is when you use it, or simply wait for a time you don't use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
I think you a referring to a typical lazy switch where people cut if off from behind the dash/near the ECU...bad idea...the theif will already have his nose poking around this area...kill switches MUST be isolated from the alarm and underneath the drivers side dash.
Also if you cut-off the ground and run the equivilant or larger gauge wire than the existing one you have no problems with resistance or faulty relay switching designs. Also means you only have to run the wire one way so no double backs which is what also tips off theives.
To my understanding the main point of these devices is to alert you, your car has been broken into and immediantly attend to it. Retrival can have issues as you said, if its a smart theif (chances are if he/she has gotten past all this they are) then they would have methods to detect where they're hidden.Quote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
As i said in an earlier post. The effort that goes into the install and extent to which it is hidden and placed is what limits or unlimits an alarm installation. I can gaurentee you I could make a car that a theif would not even attempt to spend time on unless they knew they had an hour and no chance of getting caught (such as a tip off/family member). However it would take me several days to install and get everything running.Quote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
However that still doesn't prevent them from towing your car...there are ways around that too...a tilt sensor/sms/2-way alarm will tell you that its being towed and then you attend to it immediantly or you remove/lock the towing eyes. It all comes down to how much effort you/alarm tech is willing to put in.
The saying still sticks "Where there's a will, there's a way" however you have to remember...you have time, they don't. Think Smart, Install it Hard...
If they know or sense you have an alarm this good, they won't even try...there will ALWAYS be people with less security and less risk than someone that has an Enthusiast/Paranoid level security system. According to Australian Statistics only 7% of the motor vehicles stolen each year are equipped with immobilisors. and over two thirds of the cars that are stolen are pre 1990's and are stolen by amatuers simply for a ride or to commit crime in.
Wow, i love to ramble. xD
i tip i once got from one of my installers was to get a different colour lcd such as a super bright blueQuote:
Originally Posted by Sp00ny
as some theives can tell the alarm brand by the intensity and colour of the lcd
then they are already a step ahead because they know what they are dealing with before they touch a thing
(and ofcoarse don't display stickers for the brand of alarm but i hope that a given these days)
Very true. I must say thieves like this would be a rare breed in Australia lol. Even if they know what alarm it is...they most likely will only know brand. If you hide the alarm in the door....or quarter panel (coupe/hatch) they won't be able to get to it. The main issue is a theif knowing the car itself. The alarm doesn't really come into if they know the electrical system off the top of their head.Quote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
Stickers are good, but only saying the features/type of alarm. For example: "Mugen Custom Security on Board..." or "Mugen 2-Way/GPS System On Board" something that would confuse the thief and make them wonder to the extent of which the alarm system is installed.
Or...install a hardcore system with no warnings; let them brake in and f*ck up! lol
My alarm alerts me as soon as the shock sensor has been triggered or door opened (aslong as im 1km* near the car).
Is there any way for them to disable it beforehand and not alert me?
Yes, but let's keep that method off public forums... put it this way...it is unlikely they are going to use this method unless your car is worth ALOT of effort and risk...and they know you have a 2-Way alarm system.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipfire
I see, well my next door neighbors are abit sus. Just making sure they cant steal my car while im at work or sleeping
I believe they tried to steal my rims but they couldnt undo the locknut. I shockingly drove around with 1 nut on the wheel till i heard clonking noises.
Stay away from Strathfield Car Radio -_- Dodgiest kents.......
hey. ive got a auto watch in my dc5r. its from south africa and is the competition to brant. the guy that installs it imports it himself.
its got 5 point immobiliser. 5 digit pin number on a 4 digit pad. all black wires. doors/boot/bonnet. tilt sensor. mirco sensor. shock sensor. also has the option for sat track and window lifters as an option. pm me if u want more details.
good luck
im looking to upgrade my alarm system, how much does these cost to get them professionally installed? where are good reliable places to get these done?
how much do these mongoose alarms usually cost??? anyone with some prices thanks.
and you live where?
sydney
Your looking at around $400-$700 installed and $50 for a kill switch.
hmms thanks
but how much for the alarm standalone, cause my dad can install it
$200-$400 depending on which level of mongoose alarm. Theres the M20 which was around $200 and theres the M80 which is around $400. M60 should be in between
oh ok thanks man!
almost 4 years on thread still going haha !
awesome !
What's the difficulty level of install on a M80au? From what you guys have said you can't trust anyone.. Reckon it could be done by myself?
yep i will need some updated price, any ideas guys?
http://www.soundmaster.com.au/produc...ose-Car-Alarms
http://www.soundmaster.com.au/About-Soundmaster.asp
Their located at Granville, dont know anything about their service though.
I got a question.
If I was to buy an alarm system from EBay from an aussie shop. just like interstate or watever. Is there a place in Melb that could do the install. Because I know there are companies/shops out there that will only do the install of a product bought directly from them...
I will most likely try it myself but if it all gets too hard, would be good to know there is a place I can go to, to get it installed
So yeh anyone know of any places? autobahn or something maybe. don't know havn't really done my research on the alarm subject
Yea!!! www.soundmaster.com.au is the place to go bro. They did a good job - i got a m60 mongoose alarm thereQuote:
Originally Posted by flipfire
I have an alarm in my car, but I never got a pad from the seller as she said she had lost the remote.
I think the alarm is disarmed as I just use the key to open and lock the door (central locking) but there is a siren + wiring etc in the engine bay.. Is it possible to get a new key pad made ?
if you find out what brand it is, you can get spare remotes and program them to the system. You shoudl be able to find out what brand it is by looking at the siren, or under the dash if you can find the alarm unit.
BUMP.
I am sure there is a place, but does anyone know a place that would install an alarm that i have bought from say, ebay or another online store?
What alarm is it? PM me, i know someone who might able to do it, but usually he does supply and fit of most alarms which mentioned in this thread e.g. Rhino, Mongoose etc etc..
Just get them to do the alarm. They'd probably charge you extra if you'e butcher'd it. M60's are good. Done on the other day. Just slip the installer a 50 or a case of beer. Im sure they'll do an extra good job for ya.
i use to have a rhino but then the alarm started playing up so i went the mongoose..not a problem since
YOU!Quote:
Originally Posted by DNYALL
I'm happy to help, done a few in my time. I've installed the Spy 2-way/ebay alarms before.
DIY it! Don't pay someone to do something that you could do better! Most Auto Elecs do an average job...to save time/money.
i figured out that the alarm in my car is a rhino and it shit itself a couple of weeks ago. i want to sell the car and it's obviously a good thing to have before i sell it how much do you guys think it will cost to get it fixed?
can you reccomend any repair places for it?
cheers
Wtf is a lifestyle store, sounds like a gym or furniture store
I am a sparky so shouldn't be a problem. Just wanted to know, as bak up, incase I do struggle. The alarm I did get is pretty full on, not a cheapy... so hopefully I can work it out :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Sp00ny
Not looking forward to taking out my old alarm though...
Just shoot us a PM/MSN if you need to know anything, im familiar with installing most alarms.Quote:
Originally Posted by DNYALL
Also, are you coming to the dyno day?
ok I will, thanks man.
Yeh, I booked into the dyno. car should be finally done in time. so many delays...
Apologies for jumping in but does anyone know any good supplier and installer in the ACT or NSW Queanbeyan?
rhino is pretty decent
I'm getting the Mogoose M80G and a microwave sensor for under $300 delivered as I have a S2000 with a crap alarm which came with it. I very much doubt that the current alarm was installed correctly as the alarm does not go off when the boot is opened and the alarm is on. Anyway I chose the M80G as I already have a really old Mongoose M560 alarm in my civic and the remote batteries lasted maybe 6 years and the alarm never gave a problem (up until a few months ago when it developed a bad connection and stopped (but I managd to find the problem and restored power to the circuit board by placing a positive jumper lead as the input connector had somehow corroded)) and never false alarmed.
Also the mongoose alarms have great boot release functions and silent open/close features if you push one button and then the next one.The new remotes have water resistance as well.
stay away from rhino's mine drains my bloody battery quick smart within 2 weeks etc. running the rav2 with all sensors, tilt, mirrowave etc...
mongoose are good, but popular so hide the wiring as its a popular alarm.