Rhino ? Mongoose ? Car Alarm...

[ek4-guy]

How about a covertly placed kill switch? Can theives bypass those too?

a smart thieve can

say for instance if it's a fuel pump cut off all they need to do is give the fuel pump power via a piece of wire with aligator clips on the ends

then there is no need to find the switch

[flipfire]

I see, looks like prevention is hard.

I guess i should be looking at retrieval options.

What about a custom GPS transponder or quiktrak?

[ek4-guy]

I see, looks like prevention is hard.

I guess i should be looking at retrieval options.

What about a custom GPS transponder or quiktrak?

they send out same signal as mobile phones did

remember when your phone was about to ring and the radio would go nuts

well once the tracker is active all you need is a hand held radio that you run over the car and when it goes nuts your near the transmiter

then you just find it rip it out and chuck it

and back to instalation issue companies that fit these trackers are lazy and always install them in the same set places

for instance strathfield car radios install them behind the glove box in WRX's

[Sp00ny]

a smart thieve can

say for instance if it's a fuel pump cut off all they need to do is give the fuel pump power via a piece of wire with aligator clips on the ends

then there is no need to find the switch

I agree to an extent. If one wanted to go to greater extent to cut-off the Fuel Pump. Cut the ground wire at the fuel pump itself. No matter what you do, you cannot add a ground to it without gaining access to it. The fact that most Honda's have the fuel pumps under the seats means that it is VIRTUALLY impossible to remove all this whilst stealing the car unless it was VERY carefully planned... and if they went to this much trouble...they would be watching you to see where it is when you use it, or simply wait for a time you don't use it.

I think you a referring to a typical lazy switch where people cut if off from behind the dash/near the ECU...bad idea...the theif will already have his nose poking around this area...kill switches MUST be isolated from the alarm and underneath the drivers side dash.

Also if you cut-off the ground and run the equivilant or larger gauge wire than the existing one you have no problems with resistance or faulty relay switching designs. Also means you only have to run the wire one way so no double backs which is what also tips off theives.

they send out same signal as mobile phones did

remember when your phone was about to ring and the radio would go nuts

well once the tracker is active all you need is a hand held radio that you run over the car and when it goes nuts your near the transmiter

then you just find it rip it out and chuck it

To my understanding the main point of these devices is to alert you, your car has been broken into and immediantly attend to it. Retrival can have issues as you said, if its a smart theif (chances are if he/she has gotten past all this they are) then they would have methods to detect where they're hidden.

and back to instalation issue companies that fit these trackers are lazy and always install them in the same set places

for instance strathfield car radios install them behind the glove box in WRX's

As i said in an earlier post. The effort that goes into the install and extent to which it is hidden and placed is what limits or unlimits an alarm installation. I can gaurentee you I could make a car that a theif would not even attempt to spend time on unless they knew they had an hour and no chance of getting caught (such as a tip off/family member). However it would take me several days to install and get everything running.

However that still doesn't prevent them from towing your car...there are ways around that too...a tilt sensor/sms/2-way alarm will tell you that its being towed and then you attend to it immediantly or you remove/lock the towing eyes. It all comes down to how much effort you/alarm tech is willing to put in.

The saying still sticks "Where there's a will, there's a way" however you have to remember...you have time, they don't. Think Smart, Install it Hard...

If they know or sense you have an alarm this good, they won't even try...there will ALWAYS be people with less security and less risk than someone that has an Enthusiast/Paranoid level security system. According to Australian Statistics only 7% of the motor vehicles stolen each year are equipped with immobilisors. and over two thirds of the cars that are stolen are pre 1990's and are stolen by amatuers simply for a ride or to commit crime in.

Wow, i love to ramble. xD

[ek4-guy]

I agree to an extent. If one wanted to go to greater extent to cut-off the Fuel Pump. Cut the ground wire at the fuel pump itself. No matter what you do, you cannot add a ground to it without gaining access to it. The fact that most Honda's have the fuel pumps under the seats means that it is VIRTUALLY impossible to remove all this whilst stealing the car unless it was VERY carefully planned... and if they went to this much trouble...they would be watching you to see where it is when you use it, or simply wait for a time you don't use it.

I think you a referring to a typical lazy switch where people cut if off from behind the dash/near the ECU...bad idea...the theif will already have his nose poking around this area...kill switches MUST be isolated from the alarm and underneath the drivers side dash.

Also if you cut-off the ground and run the equivilant or larger gauge wire than the existing one you have no problems with resistance or faulty relay switching designs. Also means you only have to run the wire one way so no double backs which is what also tips off theives.




To my understanding the main point of these devices is to alert you, your car has been broken into and immediantly attend to it. Retrival can have issues as you said, if its a smart theif (chances are if he/she has gotten past all this they are) then they would have methods to detect where they're hidden.



As i said in an earlier post. The effort that goes into the install and extent to which it is hidden and placed is what limits or unlimits an alarm installation. I can gaurentee you I could make a car that a theif would not even attempt to spend time on unless they knew they had an hour and no chance of getting caught (such as a tip off/family member). However it would take me several days to install and get everything running.

However that still doesn't prevent them from towing your car...there are ways around that too...a tilt sensor/sms/2-way alarm will tell you that its being towed and then you attend to it immediantly or you remove/lock the towing eyes. It all comes down to how much effort you/alarm tech is willing to put in.

The saying still sticks "Where there's a will, there's a way" however you have to remember...you have time, they don't. Think Smart, Install it Hard...

If they know or sense you have an alarm this good, they won't even try...there will ALWAYS be people with less security and less risk than someone that has an Enthusiast/Paranoid level security system. According to Australian Statistics only 7% of the motor vehicles stolen each year are equipped with immobilisors. and over two thirds of the cars that are stolen are pre 1990's and are stolen by amatuers simply for a ride or to commit crime in.

Wow, i love to ramble. xD

i tip i once got from one of my installers was to get a different colour lcd such as a super bright blue

as some theives can tell the alarm brand by the intensity and colour of the lcd

then they are already a step ahead because they know what they are dealing with before they touch a thing

(and ofcoarse don't display stickers for the brand of alarm but i hope that a given these days)

[Sp00ny]

i tip i once got from one of my installers was to get a different colour lcd such as a super bright blue

as some theives can tell the alarm brand by the intensity and colour of the lcd

then they are already a step ahead because they know what they are dealing with before they touch a thing

(and ofcoarse don't display stickers for the brand of alarm but i hope that a given these days)

Very true. I must say thieves like this would be a rare breed in Australia lol. Even if they know what alarm it is...they most likely will only know brand. If you hide the alarm in the door....or quarter panel (coupe/hatch) they won't be able to get to it. The main issue is a theif knowing the car itself. The alarm doesn't really come into if they know the electrical system off the top of their head.

Stickers are good, but only saying the features/type of alarm. For example: "Mugen Custom Security on Board..." or "Mugen 2-Way/GPS System On Board" something that would confuse the thief and make them wonder to the extent of which the alarm system is installed.

Or...install a hardcore system with no warnings; let them brake in and f*ck up! lol

[flipfire]

My alarm alerts me as soon as the shock sensor has been triggered or door opened (aslong as im 1km* near the car).

Is there any way for them to disable it beforehand and not alert me?

[Sp00ny]

My alarm alerts me as soon as the shock sensor has been triggered or door opened (aslong as im 1km* near the car).

Is there any way for them to disable it beforehand and not alert me?

Yes, but let's keep that method off public forums... put it this way...it is unlikely they are going to use this method unless your car is worth ALOT of effort and risk...and they know you have a 2-Way alarm system.

[flipfire]

I see, well my next door neighbors are abit sus. Just making sure they cant steal my car while im at work or sleeping

I believe they tried to steal my rims but they couldnt undo the locknut. I shockingly drove around with 1 nut on the wheel till i heard clonking noises.

[tiksie]

Stay away from Strathfield Car Radio -_- Dodgiest kents.......

[Fuzz21]

hey. ive got a auto watch in my dc5r. its from south africa and is the competition to brant. the guy that installs it imports it himself.
its got 5 point immobiliser. 5 digit pin number on a 4 digit pad. all black wires. doors/boot/bonnet. tilt sensor. mirco sensor. shock sensor. also has the option for sat track and window lifters as an option. pm me if u want more details.

good luck

[MWAKU]

im looking to upgrade my alarm system, how much does these cost to get them professionally installed? where are good reliable places to get these done?

how much do these mongoose alarms usually cost??? anyone with some prices thanks.