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Change your MTF.Guaranteed improved shifting.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooyn
Honda 6sp box commonly has trouble with shifting into 2nd... my car does it every now and then... :(
Search in the integra forums, theres alot of into there about the problem...
as said by others, try rev match, and be gentler on that particular change :thumbsup:
Mine has no problems. I pull the gearstick straight down into 2nd, not down and to the left like many other ppl. :p
roflmao! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Hi guys,
how much do you think for install a ORC clutch kit, LSD and Final Drive on euro? I just look at the manual, it is very big works for removing a gearbox. do you know faster way (safe method). Can it DIY?
Thanks
I'm guessing around $1000 or more. Have you called Hanny's for a quote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Accord Basic
And no, I don't recommend that you DIY.
Thanks
Is Hanny's a workshop in Perth? I am located in Perth. just purchased the clutch kit. thinking to have LSD and Final drive install at the same time. which brand of Final drive and what ratio do you recommend for euro? I found a LSD on ebay, do you think is a good buy? link below
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-H...1%7C240%3A1318
I got quoted about $680 for Clutch and Flywheel in canberra which i thought was decent. Dunno ho much the LSD adds but i would do this at the same time.
i just don know what LSD to get and how.
Oops, didn't notice you were in Perth. Hannys is in Sydney. I recommend that you search the where to buy section and post in there if you can't find anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accord Basic
Your choices if you want torsen is only Honda OEM, Quaife or the new Wavetrac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
I found a LSD with speed gear, and other LSD without speed gear. does anyone know which LSD can fit on CL9? do I need the speed gear? Link below
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...3AIT&viewitem=
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...3AIT&viewitem=
Both fit. If it is the same price, then get it with the gear. Otherwise, you don't need it. :p Mine didn't have it. I just reused the one that was bolted to my open diff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accord Basic
Whats the OBX LSD like ? Im hearing good and bad...hmm
do you think the price is worth to buy? someone sell the same LSD for AUD 650 before and the ebay selling 760 + shipping = 870. Please advise. I also got a quote for Cusco 1.5 way LSD (brand new) for AUD 1500 + shipping may be about $1800 in total.
Which one is better?
Check the condition of the $650 LSD. If it is good, then get that as it is cheaper than $870 (which is also used anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by Accord Basic
Cusco 1.5 is a different type of LSD. It is not a mechanical LSD like the Honda/OBX. It will need different transmission fluid and changing of the clutch plates at regular intervals. Easy on a RWD but a bitch to do on a FWD.
Thanks, I have heard the clutch type LSD required to change oil more often.
Hi all need an advise.
do you think is it good to have a used TSX final drive (4.764) on CL9? other option for me is to buy a new set of spoon FD (5.1) or Mfactory FD (5.48?).
The most expensive is the Mfactory, over a thousand shipped. Spoon is about 780 and the used TSX cost 400.
what you guys think?
Thanks
If you buy the TSX final drive, make sure you get the matching speed gear for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accord Basic
is it good to have stainless steel clutch hose install? Thanks
does someone know which workshop is the best for install clutch & flywheels for Honda Euro in Perth WA?
Called Tony Flood, it is too big job for him alone. and I found a place called S&G Gearbox Exchange (Ford & Holden). www.sggearbox.com.au Are they good?
Thanks
need help!
I installed this ORC clutch at 21,000km in May-June last year.
Last month or so the clutch started to make whining noise. Similar noise when car is in reverse, but it is in first gear after clutch is released and engaged.
Then last week I just experienced clutch slipping! I was driving spiritedly, going from 2nd and flooring it down to 3rd and 4th. Clutch slipped all the way in 3rd gear and 4th gear for the first time. By slipping I mean rev went up but speed was not going anywhere. Even I tried to set the cruise control on, by putting accel button on the steering wheel, the car just revs up and not going any faster.
Today I was trying to overtake a tram, at around 40km/h, I couldn't even do it! When driving the car now I have to be careful with the throttle. Any gear I am in, even though gear is already engaged in, if I apply throttle a bit too much (not even near flooring), the car revs up quick and speed isn't increasing.
Car has only done 33,500 kms at the moment (12,500 on this ORC clutch) and it has only been one year and five months since I got the clutch installed. Why is it gone this quick? I never used engine brake at all or riding the clutch to slow down the car. I think with my driving style, I only need to ride the clutch a bit more to take off smoothly in the city etc. Is my clutch on the way out? Is it something to do with ORC clutch plate being metal?
I am thinking of getting Exedy organic clutch that comes with pressure plate, clutch plate and release bearing. I think this will fit the DC5 ORC flywheel I have? Any other better option? I don't think ORC offer overhauling kits anymore and I doubt I can get only clutch plate for it.
Thanks very much for anyone that will help. Rep points will be given too:thumbsup::)
Have you tried adjusting the friction point and doing a simple clutch fluid swap?Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
I don't know how you drive but the clutch could be engaging on an angle, I don't think the release bearing contributes to that though.
As far as a replacement clutch, any brand clutch made for K20 or DC5R would fit the DC5 flywheel.
Hey thanks for the quick reply!
Haven't tried adjusting the friction point or clutch fluid swap. But I feel that my friction point hasn't changed. My car has had problems with creaking clutch pedal/master cylinder changed etc. I had been fixed but I doubt it is that that is causing the clutch wearing this quick. And it is supposed to be performance/metal clutch too so I didn't think or expect it to wear out only 12,500kms?
Gears can still get in fine with no problem. Clutch pedal still feels very hard like it used to be since it was first installed. But the bite has gone almost completely. Feels like it is almost not biting at all..
The whole point of a sports clutch is that it grabs harder than a normal one, so you can't drive it like a normal clutch. I know with my Exedy sports one if I ease off from a stop like I did with the stock clutch it burns out (AND YOU CAN SMELL IT BADLY) straight away.
You've got the be a lot quicker getting on and off the clutch with a sports one, of course, I don't know if you do that or not :P
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to integral90 again."
:p
I can only get on and off the clutch quickly if I'm not driving in Melbourne city traffic. But ORC clutch is metal though, I had never had it burning. Don't think metal clutch can get burnt? I really like how the pressure plate is very very firm. So say if I swap to exedy sports organic clutch plate, pressure plate and release bearing, is the car will be more easy to drive? Given that I still use the DC5 ORC lighten flywheel (3.8kilo from memory). Seems like some issues just pops up every time I get something fixed:(
The Exedy Sports feels almost identical to the stock clutch in friction point and firmness. I am a little bias when I say that because my car had an incredibly stiff OEM clutch (Aaron felt it). It just bites much harder, which is really nice. That said; when you're driving it you can almost feel that it's a smaller clutch dealing with a bigger, heavier car than it was necessarily designed for. It doesn't slip when fully engaged, but if you give it too much gas before you've almost completely taken your foot off it will slip.
It is really nice though, firm with a LOT of feedback. I can drive the car seamlessly smooth quite easily with it. Haven't driven the ORC, but I assume it's smoother than that :p
Did you replace the pressure plate when you changed the clutch? If you didn't, then your pressure plate could be worn or damaged, seeing that your friction point has not moved upwards and you have that whining sound. Does the whining sound go away when you press the clutch pedal down?Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
Yes Aaron, the whole clutch combo was changed. This includes the clutch pressure plate, clutch plate, flywheel and release bearing.
Normally, with clutch worn out, does the friction point move upwards?
The whining noise goes away when I press the clutch pedal down. But it is very loud, both in first and reverse.
I just got a PM from JDMYARD, unfortunately the DC5 exedy sports organic clutch will not work with ORC flywheel I have. Though they can order in ORC replacement clutch plate. Quite expensive for just a clutch plate though. Yonas stated in the PM saying they had abused their ORC clutch with drags and circuit use. And they had been using it over 3 years!
Well, I can't make decision, whether to just buy the ORC replacement clutch plate or get exedy sports organic combo and flywheel.
Option 1 will cost me around $600 (only clutch plate alone, pressure plate and others parts have to be reused) but I am afraid it will only last about 12,500kms again in the future. Then I will have to pay more for installation.
Option 2 should be around $600 for clutch kit and $4-500 for DC5 flywheel? So this $4-500 for the flywheel makes it more expensive than option 1 but I think it will be better for daily driving and city drive.
At the moment I am leaning towards option 1 and see if I can improve my driving style. In the city traffic, I think I am not fast enough for getting the clutch ON/OFF. I apply gas fist to around 1-2k rpm then release the clutch very slowly to get the car moving a bit then release the whole thing. I think this is what caused the premature wear out?? I though only once in a while do flat shift but that is only say once in two weeks. I never use clutch to do engine brake however..
Long post I know. Thanks heaps Aaron and integral90. And others for reading too.:thumbsup: :(
Yeah, that is probably what wears it out quickly. Especially if you do that a lot on hill starts. I know of someone who shifts gear by holding the clutch pedal halfway for about 0.5 seconds to smoothen it out. His OEM clutch died in 10,000km. 0.5 seconds is nothing, but it wears out quick. And for your ORC which is a different formulation, it could be less forgiving to releasing the clutch slowly. Why are you holding revs at up to 2k though? If you were releasing the clutch slowly, 1000-1500 rpm would be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
I launch like you now Aaron, rev up to like 1200rpm and let it out pretty quickly with a little bit of throttle. So it's almost doing the kangaroo hop but it's still smooth :p . Clutch still feels like the day it was put in after almost 15,000km(doesn't burn out as easily though).Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to aaronng again.":pQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Because sometimes in the traffic I get stressed. :o
Didn't want to rev to low or I would stall.:o
So what you guys do to take of smoothly without wearing clutch is: from stop, rev it up a bit to 1000-1200rpm and hold the gas, then release it quickly? I think I had tried that before but car would either jump or stall.:( ORC is very bitey. I have to get the car roll a bit every time and hold at the friction point a bit before completely let go to make it smooth.
ORC replacement clutch plate would take two weeks to arrive here.
Exedy organic HD option is the same. JDMYARD doesn't have it in stock.
How is the Exedy stage 1 or stage 2 with exedy flywheel from the states?
I reckon the ebay shop Aaron got his from is selling stage 1 and exedy flywheel for around US$600 shipped. This might be better option? Has anyone had stage 1 or stage 2 clutch? I do not mind heavy pedal at all. Just wouldn't want to get this replaced anytime soon again in the future.
Stage 1 is OEM DC5R clutch, which is weaker than the Euro clutch. I recommend you go for stage 2, which is the Exedy HD Organic.
???
I'm confused now.
I thought Exedy HD organic sits in the middle of stage 1 and 2.
Stage 2 is 3 puck clutch which is metal. Stage 1 is also organic but less biting grade than HD organic.
I am still waiting for Yonas to get back to me. He's looking at what is included in the ORC overhauling kit. If it doesn't take too long I would just get this overhauling kit as it would be cheaper. If it takes too long I might have to either get Exedy organic HD or stage 2 with Exedy flywheel. How is the exedy flywheel Aaron? Is it hard to take off the car?
As this is an opportunity to drop the sub-frame and gear box, I am also having a cl7 helical LSD on the way from Japan :P
wahh helical lsd :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
do it all in one go....
save on labour and time
Yes Gas haha.. Long time no see.
I got quoted for $450 to install the clutch and around $250 for LSD once gearbox is off.
that is cheap for install a clutch and lsd. I got a quote $700 for install a clutch only.
where???Quote:
Originally Posted by Accord Basic
Ak...
I am living in Perth.
Please advise, which clutch kit is better on performance? is the ORC 309 standard clutch better or the slient type?
how about Exedy hyper single clutch kit?
They are all the similar price. don't know which one i should get.
I had ORC 309 series silent type clutch/flywheel combo but it had already worn out.
Next week hopefully I can book my car in to get exedy stage 2 3puk racing clutch and exedy light weight flywheel combo in. Then I'll give some feedback on how I find it different from this ORC..
Have never heard of anyone running Exedy hyper single. It is carbon (what I had read) and it is not really for street car. it might be overkill?
One thing to keep in mind, with ORC clutch combo, once it wears out, the flywheel that comes with it will only work with ORC replacement clutch plate which costs around 600 bucks.
Why are you going for the 3 puck? You will still have problems trying to take off smoothly and will probably wear it down as quick as the ORC. You should go for the sports organic to suit your driving style.Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
how long the ORC clutch can last? how many km you have done and what driving style you are?
I am thinking to get the organic type, but is it similar to OEM?
Aaron- I had been trying to get sports organic from the traders on here. The ones I was talking to never had them in stock plus with Exedy lightweight flywheel also had to be specially ordered from overseas. Then I looked at Gripforce, I got left with either stage 1 or 2. With stage 1 it is between OEM replacement and sports organic. Added that with I need to get my car back on road..Its been almost 2-3 weeks I think. So chose stage 2:o
This time I'll keep in mind when in traffic I'm not gonna ride it too much.
Accord Basic-I think I had about 15000kms out of it. I also posted it all in a page or two pages back.
I think ORC is very very good in terms of performance. It had never been forgiving (only once its worn out:p). Once in a long while I flat shift it, it has never slip ever. But, it is stupid when needs replacement. Their flywheel wont work with anything else. And none of traders here can get replacement clutch plate in:(
that short? then I better to get the organic sport type. from TODA. 15,000km which is less than a year. I normally travel 20,000km a year.
I have done about 90,000km in 5 years.
Thanks for your comments.
Nothing wrong with stage 1. The only time I would consider stage 2 if you were going to Winton or Calder Park. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
I have the OEM, which is probably stage 0, and still went to Wakefield with it. :p
Aaron!!!:)
I'm going to Winton once it is done. Thats why I took out the AR;)
Coool!!! Have fun! I never got to run hard at Winton. I only went once and it was with 2nd hand tyres that someone had lying around for a few years. I had different rims front and rear, plus they were hardened rubber. hahaha. Maybe next time if I get to drive down to Melb.Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
I'm noob. hehe. I heard you guys were talking about Sydney Euro track day...
If there is such thing let me know and I will drive up LOL
when you going winton kit, pm me =)
If you can't get the replacement kit, you may send pm to me. :thumbsup:
Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
is your email march319_88 edward?
if so it means that i had sent to the right email address and you just did'nt bother checking it:( i initially bought the whole clutch kit from you as well.
what is the different between the ORC 309 standard and Slient type? I mean compare with the performance, clutch life and price. I heard that the 309 standard is better performance. is it true?
I am not too sure on this but I heard the material used in clutch plates are the same between the two. However the silent type has improved springs which helps make it "a little more bearable" LOL. ORC is very noisy clutch. They are very bitey.