Good tyres for Euro 17" Rims

have anyone had experience with nankang ns2? i've seen some good reviews, like its good for the price

i know someone said not to skimp on tyres, but expensive doesnt always mean better.

Thanks for all the advice guys. :thumbsup: Installed the rims today (looks so much better than the 16" ones) with Yokohama S drives. Didn't really have the chance to push the car hard today but the car seems to corner flatter now. It could change a bit as the tyres wear in more.

Here's a quick photo of it:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...th-17-rims.jpg

How much were the S-Drives?

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How much were the S-Drives?

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$269 each.

Well done on the wheels and tyres, good price. :thumbsup:

What dealer did you purchase tyres from?

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Well done on the wheels and tyres, good price. :thumbsup:

What dealer did you purchase tyres from?

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Thanks mate. I got them from "Tyre and Wheels" in West Ryde, Sydney.

sydney seems to get cheaper price on tyres... lucky them I guess :(

Hi Sodaz,

Do you have the drift-to-the-right issue with the new rim and tyre combo?

Anyone know anyone in melb selling Yokohama AD07 and how much roughly?

I'm hoping to find a square/edge (square shoulder block) tyre with a relatively stiff sidewall. (Loved the Yokohama A509's on my prelude... a feeling that I could not achieve with OEM RE010 and Yokohama ES100 on my S15.)

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Thanks mate. I got them from "Tyre and Wheels" in West Ryde, Sydney.

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Hi Sodaz,

Do you have the drift-to-the-right issue with the new rim and tyre combo?

Anyone know anyone in melb selling Yokohama AD07 and how much roughly?

I'm hoping to find a square/edge (square shoulder block) tyre with a relatively stiff sidewall. (Loved the Yokohama A509's on my prelude... a feeling that I could not achieve with OEM RE010 and Yokohama ES100 on my S15.)

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Absolutely no drifting and tracks straight like an arrow. After installing the tyres, I also did alignment and balancing.

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Anyone know anyone in melb selling Yokohama AD07 and how much roughly?

I'm hoping to find a square/edge (square shoulder block) tyre with a relatively stiff sidewall. (Loved the Yokohama A509's on my prelude... a feeling that I could not achieve with OEM RE010 and Yokohama ES100 on my S15.)

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AD07 has a wear rating of 180 though. Very soft and won't last as long a the A509. Have you looked at the tread pattern of the C.Drive?

http://yokohama.com.au/media/b_cdrive.896.jpg

I did look at the C-Drive, but the edge is pretty rounded. Most people think it's more sidewall flex than A539 (which is more SW flex than A509).

Haven't driving a car with it though.. so I don't really know. The ES100 is also a bit rounded on the edge.

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AD07 has a wear rating of 180 though. Very soft and won't last as long a the A509. Have you looked at the tread pattern of the C.Drive?

http://yokohama.com.au/media/b_cdrive.896.jpg

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I did look at the C-Drive, but the edge is pretty rounded. Most people think it's more sidewall flex than A539 (which is more SW flex than A509).

Haven't driving a car with it though.. so I don't really know. The ES100 is also a bit rounded on the edge.

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If your Euro is still on soft suspension, then the sidewall flex will be masked by your softer suspension. If you have stiffer coils, then yes, go for the tyre with less sidewall flex. The C.Drive is still an all rounder tyre. If you want a stiffer sidewall, then look at the S.Drive.

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Michelin Pilot Preceda are one of the quietest, most comfortable tyres that still offer fantastic balance and grip.

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At over $400 a corner, its worth looking at other options such as Dunlop Sport Maxx and the new Bridgestone Turanza ER300. I've just fitted a set of the ER300 and find them better than the Preceda for only $220 each.

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Michelin Pilot Preceda are one of the quietest, most comfortable tyres that still offer fantastic balance and grip.

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At over $400 a corner, its worth looking at other options such as Dunlop Sport Maxx and the new Bridgestone Turanza ER300. I've just fitted a set of the ER300 to my 16" wheels and find them better than the Preceda for only $220 each.

I'm a bit concern about the S.Drive having directionals pattern which may still exhibit the drift-to-the-right symptoms. Someone here did put on a set of S.drive on 17" euro rims and said it's perfect though.

Not sure if that's enough to convince me to commit.

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If your Euro is still on soft suspension, then the sidewall flex will be masked by your softer suspension. If you have stiffer coils, then yes, go for the tyre with less sidewall flex. The C.Drive is still an all rounder tyre. If you want a stiffer sidewall, then look at the S.Drive.

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I'm a bit concern about the S.Drive having directionals pattern which may still exhibit the drift-to-the-right symptoms. Someone here did put on a set of S.drive on 17" euro rims and said it's perfect though.

Not sure if that's enough to convince me to commit.

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Many tyres are asymmetric. That includes the C.Drive, Pirelli Dragon, and even the Dunlop SP Sport 3000A. I understand that you want to be sure that the tyre doesn't cause any pulling, but consider this, even the A509s that you like are also asymmetrical (tread goes backwards on the left side but goes forwards on the right side :)):

Left: http://www.reifensuchmaschine.de/rei...ohama-A509.jpg Right: http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/...resized200.jpg

I reckon some of you guys spend a lot on tyres. I paid $180 a corner for Dunlop 3000A in 235/45/17 and they were fantastic tyres for street use.

Granted that was a special price and 235 is cheaper than 225 - but still. I burn through tyres too fast to justify $400 a corner.

agree, sometime you go for the most use instead of best use, it's not like you track the car everyday........

Re001 =)

at 199 each i seriously think re001 is good value for money, it's not some extremely quiet or comfortable tyre but it's more than enough for daily driving....

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I reckon some of you guys spend a lot on tyres. I paid $180 a corner for Dunlop 3000A in 235/45/17 and they were fantastic tyres for street use.

Granted that was a special price and 235 is cheaper than 225 - but still. I burn through tyres too fast to justify $400 a corner.

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when getting quote around i was so tempted to go for 3000A it cost 800 all 4 coernes balance fitted and aligned, but bs was on promotion with 60 dollars more i get some new design to try on.

also i don't think you will find any huge difference when driving either you have 3000A or re001 or C drive or cs2 fitted, in term of day to day driving.

sport max was also on promo for 850 just wondering anyone went with that? any review?

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at 199 each i seriously think re001 is good value for money, it's not some extremely quiet or comfortable tyre but it's more than enough for daily driving....

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Remember though, RE001 has a wear rating of 220. That's lower than the C.Drive and S.Drive's 300. So they last about 73% of the duration, assuming that you do enough kms to reach the treadwear indicator within 3 years. If you do very low kms, the tyres will harden before they wear out, and will be poor in the wet.

Fortunately I haven't had to replace the tyres on my Euro yet. However on my previous car I went for the Pilot Precedas (which were $3XX each for 235/45/17) because I was pretty much after the quietest, most comfortable tyre that still handled and gripped really well.

I really couldn't care less if a tyre can grip twice as well if it's going to be twice as loud. At the moment I can't stand the noisy OEM Bridgestone tyres. I think I'll take them off prematurely just to upgrade to something quieter and better handling.

Hey aaronng

Is that 199 for 17"? and if so, from where? I assume when you say re001 your talking about the new Potenza Adrenalin's. I was quoted $269 at australias best in sydney.

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Fortunately I haven't had to replace the tyres on my Euro yet. However on my previous car I went for the Pilot Precedas (which were $3XX each for 235/45/17) because I was pretty much after the quietest, most comfortable tyre that still handled and gripped really well.

I really couldn't care less if a tyre can grip twice as well if it's going to be twice as loud. At the moment I can't stand the noisy OEM Bridgestone tyres. I think I'll take them off prematurely just to upgrade to something quieter and better handling.

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I changed my tyres the day after i picked my car up.The RE040s are crap.:thumbdwn::thumbdwn:

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Hey aaronng

Is that 199 for 17"? and if so, from where? I assume when you say re001 your talking about the new Potenza Adrenalin's. I was quoted $269 at australias best in sydney.

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Yes, for 17". That was at any Bridgestone Tyre Centre. The promotion is over now and it is back to full price.

199 is for 16" :P

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Hey aaronng

Is that 199 for 17"? and if so, from where? I assume when you say re001 your talking about the new Potenza Adrenalin's. I was quoted $269 at australias best in sydney.

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I got a set of RE001 today for my 18. It is a RWD with deep dish so I got them for $1500 fitted and balanced. Took it for a run... it is just too good to believe compare to G3

Oh wait, yeah, I think might have been 16". :)

Better in what ways? Steering response.. cornering stability...grip... ?

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I got a set of RE001 today for my 18. It is a RWD with deep dish so I got them for $1500 fitted and balanced. Took it for a run... it is just too good to believe compare to G3

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Better in what ways? Steering response.. cornering stability...grip... ?

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in ALL WAY ROUND

RE001: The trend seems to be going back to asymetric designs with large outside shoulder blocks. ALA Yokohama A509.

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RE001: The trend seems to be going back to asymetric designs with large outside shoulder blocks. ALA Yokohama A509.

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And that's a good design, except that it is louder when it comes to road noise.

it is not loud at all serious......

Falken ST-115!! Quite with heaps of grip in wet/dry.

falken 452 - awesome grip both wet and dry (especially in the wet! no complaints there) and good comfort/road noise levels :D

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falken 452 - awesome grip both wet and dry (especially in the wet! no complaints there) and good comfort/road noise levels :D

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wait until 15,000kms and then report back what you think of them in the wet

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wait until 15,000kms and then report back what you think of them in the wet

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yes .... i got them before. totally sxxk in the wet after a year

Aaron, so whhich tyre would u buy if you had to buy now? RE001?

The other thing is whether the full tyre shoulder is flat'ish (nice and stable) or round'ish (floaty!).

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And that's a good design, except that it is louder when it comes to road noise.

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wait until 15,000kms and then report back what you think of them in the wet

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i've done about 10,000km on them, they still seem fine (i live in canberra, wet nearly all the time)... what tyres do you like/use?

cheers

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Aaron, so whhich tyre would u buy if you had to buy now? RE001?

The other thing is whether the full tyre shoulder is flat'ish (nice and stable) or round'ish (floaty!).

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If I didn't do many kms a year, then RE001. If I did many kms, then either S.Drive or C.Drive.

say 10,000km a year?

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If I didn't do many kms a year, then RE001. If I did many kms, then either S.Drive or C.Drive.

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10,000km a year? That's not a lot, probably go for RE001 then.

the flat'ish or roun'ish sidewall does not stand a strong statement anymore judging by the technology involve in tyre making nowadays.

if you have a chance to try between s03 [flat'ish] and re001 [round'ish], you will know there is no much difference between 2 models because of O'bead.

i think re001 on euro is more than enough, but if you drive S15, having a set of S03 will give you more fun than re001...... my 0.2 ringgit

OK. RE001 for me. I'll replace the 2 front tyres and see if it resolves the drift-to-the-right.

So has anyone else here put RE001 on their 17" Rims? (225/45/17)

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say 10,000km a year?

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That's low. Go RE001 then. :)

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the flat'ish or roun'ish sidewall does not stand a strong statement anymore judging by the technology involve in tyre making nowadays.

if you have a chance to try between s03 [flat'ish] and re001 [round'ish], you will know there is no much difference between 2 models because of O'bead.

i think re001 on euro is more than enough, but if you drive S15, having a set of S03 will give you more fun than re001...... my 0.2 ringgit

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He meant tyre shoulder, not the sidewall. I'd go for one with a squarish shoulder, after using tyres with a roundish shoulder. I preferred the squarish shoulder of the C.Drive.

RE001 has replaced the S03. You can't get S03 in smaller than 205/50 R17 anymore.

Does anyone know how much for RE001?225/45/17.Also anyone here with Dunlop Sport Maxx?I'd be interested in any feedback.Also treadwear ratings if possible.:)

Was quoted on RE001 at $315 ea in 225/45/17 a few months back.

Just rang a few places in Melb (BJ, BTC, TP). Pricing was $297 to $325. Bit more than I was expecting.

Has anyone actually got them fitted closer to $250? (225/45/17)

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Just rang a few places in Melb (BJ, BTC, TP). Pricing was $297 to $325. Bit more than I was expecting.

Has anyone actually got them fitted closer to $250? (225/45/17)

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Picked up Yoko S-Drives for around that in Melb after some haggling, they are normally quoted around town for $290-$320ea.

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Was quoted on RE001 at $315 ea in 225/45/17 a few months back.

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Hmm,not cheap.I can get Conti sport contact 2s for $320 ea without haggling.What's the treadwear on the RE001s?The Conti's are 280.

narrowed my search down to 2 tyres

falken fk452 (lots of good reviews as falken's flagship tyre)

or

goodyear ls2000 (goodyear's new "bio friendly" tyre)

any pointers?


p.s. are directional tyres better than non directional?? (assuming u dont mind the noise)

am on falken fk452. would say the grip on wet and dry is at least as good as the goodyear F1 gsd3, at 2/3 the cost. it is rather quiet as well. it is not a license to go fast on wet roads, but it does feel much more stable and reassuring than the stock BS re040.

problem the only issue i have is, that it is very sensitive to tyre pressure. too high, it gets very firm, and too low, the tyre bounces.

IMO you don't skimp on tyres.The Euro is a semi luxury car so spend as much as you can afford on rubber,it's the only thing between your car and the road.:)

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Was quoted on RE001 at $315 ea in 225/45/17 a few months back.

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See John @ protek
got mine 235/40/18 for $300

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IMO you don't skimp on tyres.The Euro is a semi luxury car so spend as much as you can afford on rubber,it's the only thing between your car and the road.:)

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i know, but the new falken 452 are their flagship and seems to be all the rave lately..

besides, i just need a "safe" tyre, my euro is hardly a sports car and is not driven that way so i dont need $350 performance tyres to be "safe"

rest assured i'm not gonna be buying the $120 nankang ns-2's from tempe if thats what you're worried about :p

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i know, but the new falken 452 are their flagship and seems to be all the rave lately..

besides, i just need a "safe" tyre, my euro is hardly a sports car and is not driven that way so i dont need $350 performance tyres to be "safe"

rest assured i'm not gonna be buying the $120 nankang ns-2's from tempe if thats what you're worried about :p

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Or Ling Long!!!Just the name sounds dodgy.:thumbdwn:

I just got a set of Goodyear F1s GS-D3 for my Euro.

Goodyear are running a buy 3 get 4 promo through their Goodyear branded stores.

Goodyear F1, 225/45/r17 x 3 @ $330 each = $990 + fitting, tyre disposal = $1020inc for four F1s. $247.50 each is pretty good.

Matt

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OK. RE001 for me. I'll replace the 2 front tyres and see if it resolves the drift-to-the-right.

So has anyone else here put RE001 on their 17" Rims? (225/45/17)

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Hey V205....Iv'e changed my tryes to michelin's pilot sport II, rear camber kit and front alignment kit aswell still pulling to the right excessively under cambered road...so replacing your tyres will not fix the issue, sorry. I know it's frustrating....the michelins I replaced my reo40's with are much better, less tramlinig, absorbs bumps better more tread, excellant tyre...a little chunky though. Put in a safety report/complaint (consumer affairs or Dept. of fair trading).

Hi LXRY, what's your front and rear toe settings at the moment? Have you had your k-frame readjusted back to stock?

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Hi LXRY, what's your front and rear toe settings at the moment? Have you had your k-frame readjusted back to stock?

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Doing another wheel alignment again tommorrow, will ask if they put the k-frame back the way it was, will post results then...;)

Remember to get the before and after printout for the front/rear camber, front/rear toe and front castor.

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Remember to get the before and after printout for the front/rear camber, front/rear toe and front castor.

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Will do thanx aaronng ;)

Ive found that the Yokohama C.Drives are too grippy, the steering wheel moves with every ridge and bump in the road and there have been times where the car forcefully steers itself towards the pavement lolz

I may try Advan AD07's next time

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Ive found that the Yokohama C.Drives are too grippy, the steering wheel moves with every ridge and bump in the road and there have been times where the car forcefully steers itself towards the pavement lolz

I may try Advan AD07's next time

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AD07s are more grippy than C.Drives. :) It's not the tyre's fault. It's your front toe.

What is the factory toe setting for the euro?

Moderate toeing in or out have both pluses and minus:

Ie. Toe out is better for turning response.. but on the expense of tyre wear and high speed stability.

Any care to elaborate?

I usually go for the as-sporty-as-possible feel without an overly high expense of wear and tear and daily driving comfort.

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AD07s are more grippy than C.Drives. :) It's not the tyre's fault. It's your front toe.

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AD07s are more grippy than C.Drives. :) It's not the tyre's fault. It's your front toe.

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Interesting, so all I need is a wheel alignment?

I just got Yokohama C-drives 225/45/17 a couple of days ago.... and i must say
after a few days of driving in the wet (thanks to horid sydney weather we've been getting) grip level is top notch! Car is much smoother, quiet ride and i feel much more comfortable than the stock Re 040..

got quoted:
Falken 452s from local dealer for $175
Dunlop Sportmax for $240 from local dealer.
Yoko C-drives for $275 from local bob jane.. plus free Wheel alignment and balancing..... and take it back there in 3 months for another wheel alignment n balance for FREE!!:thumbsup:

glad i paid the extra money for the c-drive... a well long term investment!

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Ive found that the Yokohama C.Drives are too grippy, the steering wheel moves with every ridge and bump in the road and there have been times where the car forcefully steers itself towards the pavement lolz

I may try Advan AD07's next time

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i myself have found the car steers itself with the slightest turn or bump... but i found out that occured from my tyre pressure too high... the bloke who pumped my tyres up to 42psi all round without me knowing... i lowered it down to 36psi front 34psi rear.. and found it fine.

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What is the factory toe setting for the euro?

Moderate toeing in or out have both pluses and minus:

Ie. Toe out is better for turning response.. but on the expense of tyre wear and high speed stability.

Any care to elaborate?

I usually go for the as-sporty-as-possible feel without an overly high expense of wear and tear and daily driving comfort.

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Stock is zero toe at the front and 1mm toe in on each rear wheel. If you use a slight toe out, your get increased steering response (more sensitive) but your car will follow camber quite badly. I am using only 0.3mm toe out on each front wheel and the car will tramline and follow camber. Conversely, setting a slight toe in of 0.5mm on each side will improve stability, making your car less likely to tramline.

Zero toe wears the tyres least when driving straight. It is true that toe out can wear your tyres, but even a small 0.3mm toe out is enough to give tramlining without causing accelerated wear when driving straight. Most tyre shops have told me that I wouldn't be able to feel the difference between 0.5mm toe in and 0.3mm toe out. I told them to just set it for me and it is a big difference with regards to the Euro. :)

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Interesting, so all I need is a wheel alignment?

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Yup, I've had -0.3mm, 0mm and +0.5mm (each side) on the front same set of tyres and it is a big difference. If you travel a lot on freeways and prefer stability, go for the 0.5mm toe in (total 1.0mm toe in).

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I just got Yokohama C-drives 225/45/17 a couple of days ago.... and i must say
after a few days of driving in the wet (thanks to horid sydney weather we've been getting) grip level is top notch! Car is much smoother, quiet ride and i feel much more comfortable than the stock Re 040..

got quoted:
Falken 452s from local dealer for $175
Dunlop Sportmax for $240 from local dealer.
Yoko C-drives for $275 from local bob jane.. plus free Wheel alignment and balancing..... and take it back there in 3 months for another wheel alignment n balance for FREE!!:thumbsup:

glad i paid the extra money for the c-drive... a well long term investment!

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I heard the SportsMax are pretty good tyres, but apparently pretty expensive. I got quoted like 340$ per tyre. Can i ask where you got that quote from. I'm in need of new tyres and probably opting for the Michelin Pilot Precedas (PP2) at 245$ per tyre. Any comments on the Michelins?

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Yup, I've had -0.3mm, 0mm and +0.5mm (each side) on the front same set of tyres and it is a big difference. If you travel a lot on freeways and prefer stability, go for the 0.5mm toe in (total 1.0mm toe in).

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sweet thx for the info. My tyre pressure is 37 all around at the moment, probably a little too high :p

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sweet thx for the info. My tyre pressure is 37 all around at the moment, probably a little too high :p

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I use 36psi. You should give 34-35psi a go.

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I heard the SportsMax are pretty good tyres, but apparently pretty expensive. I got quoted like 340$ per tyre. Can i ask where you got that quote from. I'm in need of new tyres and probably opting for the Michelin Pilot Precedas (PP2) at 245$ per tyre. Any comments on the Michelins?

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I have a set of michelins pilot precedas II I paid $275 balanced and fitted, which i thought was cheap, but your price is amazing....at $245 a tyre what are you waiting for ;).

EXCELLANT tyre !!!!!! Very QUIET and excellant in the WET too. Very little TRAMLINING, made for euro's.

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I heard the SportsMax are pretty good tyres, but apparently pretty expensive. I got quoted like 340$ per tyre. Can i ask where you got that quote from. I'm in need of new tyres and probably opting for the Michelin Pilot Precedas (PP2) at 245$ per tyre. Any comments on the Michelins?

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A Place In "Old Guildford" off Fairfield St and Donald St place is called AAA Tyres"

i reckon u could get it cheaper based on how good ur bargaining skills are lol

but stocks on the sports max are limited..

cheers

Finally got my tyres. I wanted to get the Michelin Pilot Precedas 2 but the tyre dude convinced me otherwise stating that they are not as good nowadays since they are made in south east asia somewhere. Ending up getting the Dunlop Sport Maxx at 260 each. For some reason the tyre does not "bulge" out as much. I remember with my Potenzas it bulges out a fair bit which protects the rims. Can anyone shed some light on why it doesn't bulge out much. The size is 225/45/17 on the '05 Lux rims.

260.... ouch.

Not a good price? Cheapest i found was 250 for the sport maxx. Most places quoted around the 280-320 mark. Went for the 260 place because its 2 mins from my house. Forgot to mention i'm in Sydney so the prices are probably bit high relative to other states.