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Looks like Revzone made a boo-boo. That part that they rewelded to rotate the sensor hole 180º is shorter than in the first pic of the pipe in the box.
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Easy, I think that call is a bit harsh considering.
Having now spoken RevZone & E-Gene
I can shed some light on what transpired.
It seems clear that the headers arrived without the donut gasket required between the header & the catalyst.
This critical piece was somehow lost in transit.
Together with myself being difficult to contact at the time,
And the customer having his car on the hoist & basically in pieces, a decision was made to alter the end of the header & make it work.
Had I been contactable, perhaps things would have worked out differently.
In any case, the donut gasket is critical in making the length together with the female flange attached to the leading edge of the test pipe / cat.
Without this gasket, there would obviously be a short fall in length.
So everyone is aware, this gasket is the same as used on the local S2000 & JDM DC2 Type R, EK9 Type R & CL7 Euro R.
It is available through the local Honda dealer network, but you need to ask for the right part. Mentioning a Euro won’t help.
The Honda part number is 18229-PCX-003
Hope that helps,
Cheers
Adrian
My apologies, my eyes must have been playing tricks on me. I thought the lengths were different from the pics.Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
The headers look great, u must be cheering! :thumbsup: And i'm glad Adrian was able to shed some light on the situation as he has always been very helpful with any problems i have had! Just a shame i couldn't get my car to him last week while he was up in brissy :( Enjoy the Toda Pipes mate!
So what is happening with your additional cost?Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
Well, I'm asking the same question.
Not only that, I now have a non-standard Toda Header. It wasn't my prefer option to have to weld an extra flange to the headers, so this is definitely going to affect it when I try to sell it. Or I'll have to pay to get the flange off again.
It's easy to say in hindsight but you probably should have waited for JTUNE header.
PM sentQuote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
For another half a year or more. I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
E-Gene <------ Mr. impatientQuote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
Its not that bad.About 8-10 weeks from what i've been told.Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
if you get the jtune header you MUST get the jtune exhaust... its not plug and play like the toda one, it has a much longer run requiring the cat to be pushed further back towards the rearQuote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
no offence though,
what i think is, isnt it better to ask revzone to fit the stock header and everything back since the donut ring is missing and everything seemed to be too short or didnt look like it was gonna fit. this way it would have been cheaper and it would be under toda's false and fitting everything back wouldnt cost much as it is very simple to do even a noob like me can do it. i personally wouldnt cut and weld an expensive header in the frst place. just my opinion though, hope everything is solved out. at least ur car is running great.:thumbsup:
You're right,i forgot,you need to install JTUNE header,cat +exhaust.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
Well, when you think about cost. This was my situation, my car was already in pieces on the hoist and the parts didn't really fit. If I had them put everything back and I drive away, I'd probably still have to pay for the time that my car was on the hoist. Plus we didn't know that the donut gasket was missing cos we were unable to reach Adrian at that time. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
But anyway they didn't cut anything off the headers but just added to it and it can still be taken off when I want to return to original. Besides, if I were to sell the whole system, then it would still be a straight bolt on, in fact now that the O2 sensors have been rotated to the correct sides, the new owner would even need to extend any wiring at all. :thumbsup:
Ok, but everything has now been settled. Adrian has agreed to cover the additional cost of the install:thumbsup:. All is well. Great product, fantastic feel and I would say good service as well.
TODA & Revzone FTW.
was nice to hear that:thumbsup:
just wondering, wouldnt the recomended workshop know that there are certain parts thats was missing?? Unless your car is the first one they install this product"....
I'm sure that my car wasn't the first, but at the same time it's not the only car that they do as well. They did notice something missing, but like the story goes...
The difference between an average and great business is how they deal with customer problems. Well done Toda. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
That's one good reason to support Toda AU. :)
My engine light came on a few days ago and I had it checked out by Essendon Honda and they told me that it's got to do with the new cat that I have on. Apparently the O2 sensors are detecting that the cat isn't burning the gas efficiently enough so the engine light came on. They've resetted it but mentioned that it will probably come back on again.
Any ideas on how to fix this?
Personally I'm hoping that it's got to with the fact that the cat is new and now that it's more "worn" in, it won't happen again.
u prolly need to get an anti fouler.
http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthre...stpost&t=55284
in us its quite common to get CEL after replacing the cat.
oh and u might wanna read this.
http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/show...ht=random+tech
I didn't get the check engine light myself but yes it's quite common when you replace the cat. A lot of people get it with the Random Technology cat from what i've read.
Hmmm...it seems that missing gaskets can be the cause of it.
It's not the missing gasket that causes it. It is the leak that comes with a missing gasket that causes CEL. :)
Im running Random Tech cat and I have had no probs ever.
Its quite strange that ur having the CEL. Never heard of anyone in AUS having it before. try double gasgets, might help I think.
Well, looks like I've been drawing the short end of the stick. There's always a first, not that I want to be the first.Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
It hasn't come on yet today and I hope that it stays that way.
Surprise surprise, my CEL came on again today.
Anyone knows how to reset it without having to send it to the dealer? Could it be bad install that caused it?
You need a scan tool to clear the code. On the TSX if you get the check engine light the ECU goes into limp mode too so there is a drop in power. Not sure if that is the same on ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
Yep the Euro has a limp mode when CEL is activated dependant on the problem. It happend to me when my flex pipe cracked on my DC style headers and I couldn't get above 3000 rpm.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
With the good exchange rate against the US dollar, it's time to pick up an OBD2 code reader off ebay.
Can I clear the CEL with the OBD2 reader?
Yes. You can read the code and then clear it. Good readers can read the 5 digit specific code in addition to the general 2 digit code.
jaycar electronics - OBDII scan tool $129...
i havent tried it on my euro, but ill try do it sometime this week
$129, ouch. Can it read the manufacturer-specific 5 digit code as well?
So something like this will do?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/OBD2-OBDII-Ca...QQcmdZViewItem
Yup, that will work.
Woah, this is a cheap one. Do we need 5 digit codes or will 4 do?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Creader-ENGIN...QQcmdZViewItem
Usually the ones with the 4 digit display will cycle the 5 digit code across the screen. But this cheap one doesn't mention that it can read the manufacturer specific 5 digit code...
Anyway, here are the codes: http://aaronng.ozhonda.com/temp/ECU%20CODES.doc
Ok guys, need some advice.
So I went and got a OBD2 scantool and have erased the CEL. But of course every few days it comes back up again and I've got to erase it.
I need a permanent solution for this. I'm not sure if it's a TODA fault (read previous few pages) or an installation issue. So who should I go to cos I REALLY want this fixed.
What was the CEL code?Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
It was P0420 Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)
Have you tried asking the Hondata guys they seem to be doing amazing things with the JTune products and ECUs I’m sure they have come across the problem before.
I know what the problem is but what I can't decide is who is suppose to fix it? Toda, or Revzone?
It's not Toda's nor Revzone's fault. This code is common with highflow cats. What you need is an O2 sensor defouler. It's basically an extension to get the O2 sensor out of the stream of the exhaust gas. While it could mess a bit with closed loop mode, it'll stop the CEL code from coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
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I know of this solution but I also know that there are people out there with Toda hi-flow cats that don't have this problem. And with the mess-ups with my installation (read previous pages) I'm wondering if it's because of the missing gasket or the installation that caused it.
I don't think a leak would cause your O2 sensor to read richer than it actually was. It depends on how rich your car is setup to run. If your ECU is stock and doesn't have tuned fuel maps, of course it would run rich. The high flow cat would be the straw that breaks the camel's back.Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
You get this error code when the O2 sensor voltage is out of what has been preset as "normal". Honda might have changed O2 sensor part numbers or changed the range of O2 sensor voltages that the ECU deemed normal, thus making Euros of other years less susceptible to this code.
So where can I get one of these defoulers in Aus? Looks like I'm fixing this myself.
I realise that the defoulers will solve the problem P0421, but will it solve P0420 too?
You're meant to use the defouler on the 2nd O2 sensor to fix the P0420 code (running too rich). P0421 means "Warmup Catalyst Efficiency Below Normal", which is probably the 1st sensor reading rich, while the 2nd sensor is reading normal, since the Euro has only 1 cat and doesn't have a pre-cat.Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Gene
Was checking other forums and they got P0421 when they had cracks in their headers (no pre-cat). So P0420 is good when compared to P0421
Before 108kw
After 119kw
increase across the whole rev range!
good quality headers! thanks adrian and ashley for the install :)
f*ck yeah!Quote:
Originally Posted by akina
congrats on nice figures buddy! damn i love my TODAs...
very nice!
was that done at toda? (the dyno)
i bags a ride in ur car first!Quote:
Originally Posted by akina
yea was done at toda.Quote:
Originally Posted by enkay
and now the exhaust is fking loud too haha
Compare with my car please!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by akina
haha i also have a dyno done there =D gotta find a scanner somewhere and then we can all compare haha thou i got no exhaust, but i got pulleys
pulled 129.1
Hey Guys,
Just would like to add that Toda Rocks!!!!!!
No other headers will ever come closed to a Toda!!!!!!
Tested And Proven!!!!!!
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Cheers!
congrats akina!Quote:
Originally Posted by akina
thanks for the figures as well.:thumbsup:
I saw your car today. You have a very clean and nicely kitted car.Quote:
Originally Posted by akina
nice work alex.Quote:
Originally Posted by akina
btw you prob need to let it adjust beforehand. Then get it dyno'd cause it's not use to the better air flow.
your beating me by 6kw!!! --> wait til ECU adjusts to more airflow and you'll prob get the same almost as enkay.
dammit!!
I put my name on the fact that TODA headers are proven, and the price and quality speaks for itself!
trust me, u'll hear me 5 streets away.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
putting b4 was only 2-3 streets haha
thanks mate :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by e240
yea, it jumped on the dyno straight after the headers were in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
but we did have a few runs tho... it was like...
112... 115... 117... 119! :D
Can't say it better myself :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
nice nice wouldnt be surprised if it was worn in after the dyno run.
im thrashing it every chance i get :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
but now gf has said its too loud! i dunno i might keep both the exhaust and change it when tracking or street.
Show us how loud it is with the BC exhaust. hehe.
sure, whos up for a meet? :p
Sure, come out this way :D
There is a real difference btwn the lowend aftermarket headers and the Toda one.
I have had both and you really pay for what you get so Toda wins again.
i am opted to test out the 5zigen race headers but the price is the problem atm....
Quote:
Originally Posted by mugen88
I second that statement and both MUGEN88 and me have Dyno sheets to prove that the TODA headers works!
For those who get the CEL coming on, mine came on 2 days after the install of the headers and Hi-flow cat. I was driving on the freeway and it just popped up. I completely ignored it for the time being.
A few days later, I gave it a good squirt of petrol and the CEL magically disappeared as it was gone when I got home into the garage.
Now could driving the car nice and hard have any chance of being higher pressure to clean the second o2 sensor as it reads the cat being efficient enough, as to babying the car would have less pressure and get the o2 sensor dirty, therefore, CEL comes on?
Yes, the hotter the cat, the more efficient it gets. So when you gave it a squirt, the cat got hot enough to operate within the range that the ECU considers as normal.
Does anyone know how the Toda Headers compare to the Jtune headers?
I don't think they butcher the Toda headers when they install them like jtune do, and they probably don't fall apart like the Jtune headers, and they also probably have a warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozluder
See pics of my jtune headers that I have just removed after multiple failures!
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...t=70781&page=9
any problem or modification required for install TODA header on CL9? how about not install the cat? just using the test pipe? what can I do to switch off the engine check lights without install a cat? Thanks
You can be fined $10,000 for running a test pipe on the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accord Basic
you gotta reweld the hanger to fit.
relocate (cut-twist-reweld) o2 bung from the test pipe if your not installing a cat.
then your ready to go..
With CEL,,,.if you happen to get it.. anti fouler will solve it..
what do you mean anti fouler? sorry English is my second language.
what do you guys thinking between Comptech header and Toda header? they are about AUD 900 different. will I get more power and torque from Toda header compare the Comptech header? from the price, Comptech header is more valuable. isn't it? Please advise. Thanks