So you're saying all those Excels with bonnet scoops weren't turbocharged with coolers bolted on top?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
I feel cheated now. :p
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So you're saying all those Excels with bonnet scoops weren't turbocharged with coolers bolted on top?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
I feel cheated now. :p
No , seriously :)Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
Same way local EK's have been using EK9 body parts n kits for years now. Looks the same from the outside :)
owww ok guys thanx for that
kind of seeing it in passing, i thinks it was a real type r tho
didn't look kitted up tho(not fake or anyfin)
real eye catcher tho
There's the FD2R and the FN2R. The FD2 is the JDM sedan which we don't get here in Type R form. We get the VTI and Sport. The FN2 is the EU CTR. It's a fairly "unique" looking car and very love or hate in it's styling. We get the equivalent of the GT version in the UK. The GT has rain sensing wipers, auto headlights and other stuff that doesn't belong on a Type R. :p
I don't think the new Civic comes in red though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
hmm for that price you could just about get urself an r34 gtr. i know wat ide be getting :p
the car i seen was definately red, it looked very similar(atleast very similar front bar to the mugen pic on this site) just thought they were one in the same carQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
but the one i seen was red
first new gen civic ive seen, or rather that ive noticed
really made me snap my neck to see it
Was it this one?Quote:
Originally Posted by code-87
http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/reso...lleryext06.jpg
Or this one?
http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/reso...ery_ext_04.jpg
i rather get a r34
for $60K, I'd much rather a used NSX-T.
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Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
lol ill be at honda aus in melb next tues, ill take some green and tell them to smoke it so we can get some r sedans!:thumbsup:
Well if there going to decide to bring the sedan's to Aus im assuming they won't bring them for atleast another year, because if they bring them to early it will just kill the consumer market for the CTR's. Although they recon there selling pretty good the CTR's so maybe it would only have a minor effect.
Yeah, you'll be getting crap like this for $60k.Quote:
Originally Posted by ludecrs
http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars...egions&trecs=2
Good nick NSX-Ts are still above 80k.
i would go for it if i had the money, and it's limited!!!
EWWWWW. 4 speed auto. I had no idea they even did that on the NSX. Could it be even worse than the auto RX8?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
do u guys reckon that the prices of cars say import taxes and other form of taxes will drop if aust signs a fta with japan???
Similar. On the new models, the auto gets the old 1991 3.0L engine, while the manuals get the new 3.2L. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
$60k isnt worth it for a civic i could get a second hand SLK for that
SLK 230s are piss slow. If you are talking SLK320s, those are nice, but $$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve88
yeah but i like my luxury cars more than speed =)
There's not much luxurious about a 5-7 year old SLK. Only the badge and servicing costs. A new Civic would drive 10x better. The advancements made in cars over that time is huge. Not only in performance, but also comfort.
60K for a Civic? hahahahahaha
Aren't we forgetting though that if the FD2R were on sale here we'd spend close to that to add the Mugen mods to the car anyway? The STi only has a slight increase in performance over the WRX anyway. The JDM FD2R has Brembos much like the AUDM STi and different styling. I think the only thing that would hold up the FD2R for our market would be RTA requirements about noise and emissions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
I think the car would have potential in the enthusiast market, but only if they replaced the FN2R with the FD2R. It'd be no different to the WRX/STi or GTI/R32 scenario. Both those cars have proven that there is a market for a higher end model. We all know the Civic is a much better built car than the WRX so why couldn't it work?
well, ppl paying $40k+ for the ugly UK ctr. Just 1Xk more for a Mugen built ctr is worth every dollar. Also it is one of the kind on road.
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
It's a Civic.
I'd never bolt all that shit on
It's a Civic
Civic /= 60K
In 10 years time it will still be a Civic.
Its a Civic
'nuff said
BTW: I didn't really read your post, fanbois annoy me :D
i think the thing is the 'mugen' element adds a lot of $$$ (like AMG does to mercs) when similar parts/gains can be made aftermarket for much cheaper... at the end of the day i rekon the prob would be that its performance would just not be able to stack up against the evo's and sti's which it would be compared to.
seriosulyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vinnie
people who can afford a 60K car arent young people.
for 60K u can get alot of cars.
the market isnt that big for the mugen RR
only within the honda community.
60K.....
too much..
Hi All,
The CTR sedan is only $31000 AUD full optioned, in Japan. While the base CTR sedan is $29000 AUD, it cost $10,000 AUD to import which includes all the gst, freight, compliance etc etc. So around $40,000 for a CTR sedan not Mugen RR, thats the same price as the Hatch. I would personally pick the sedan over the hatch.
Is Aus ever going to import these sedans? ...
just read this "http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/News/Type+R+sedan+enters+the+frame.html" awesome!
You forgot to add the dealer's and Honda Australia's profit margins.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1kmodem
That is the normal scenario isn't it? I still don't quite get the UK to AU pricing for CTR. I guess to remain competitive with FN2R they had to cut a deal with Honda UK because the GT version is UK£18,627 which equals AU$44,600.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Sorry forgot to mention this was a quote for a personal import of the CTR sedan from Japan.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Exactly, why pay extra for a company to mod your type r, when you could use that money to mod it as you see fit. Im sure using the extra 10g yourself to mod the car could produce a better performing car. 10g is alot of very nice performance mods, im sure mugens rr your paying as much for the mugen name, as you are for the modifications they add.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
$60g for a civic, no way, id be looking at second hand nsx's for sure:thumbsup:
Amen brother:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
UK£18,627 is the RRP. The cost to produce it is much lower. :) Definitely lower than the AU$40,000 RRP of the FN2R here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
Fanboy? Hardly, but nice trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
Come back with facts or at least a rational argument, not a short sighted opinion.
I just want to add, if that Civic turns into a different car in 10 years time, then it is a MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
<--- Owned and driven Hondas consistently for 20 years. I think I know what constitutes value for money in terms of Hondas. I've owned and driven an S800, Civic 1200RS (JDM spec gen 1), 2nd (including a JDM "S" pack), 3rd, 4th (including JDM SiR which saw track time as well as road time) Civics as well as raced 120 bhp gen 1s and a rayjay turbocharged gen 1. About 14 Civics and a concourse S800 plus an immaculate 3G Accord and a 1G teg over that time period. Please don't talk to me about "short-sighted", you have no idea how stupid you sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
Should you wish to continue your ideas, how about you raise a discussion as to why a Civic is worth 60,000 dollars. YOU might spend 20K to Mugen mods on an FN2, I can most assuredly tell you that most people won't. A Civic is a Civic, it's a budget car and the Type R is a performance variant. That doesn't make it value for money, and if you think you'd get close to your money back come sale time, you're sadly mistaken. Look at DC5Rs for example: great car but damn they took a nasty depreciation hit. Closer to home, look at the VTiR hatches and coupes. People want to sell them for 17-20K yet no-one wants to pay that much because a seven year old Civic is just that - a 7 year old Civic. People are wary because a lot of R owners drive the cars hard.
Feel free to fork out your 60K but don't tell us why WE should waste the money you're prepared to.
The question was "are you prepared to pay 60K for a Civic".
The answer is no.
BTW: Despite the engine/handling package, the car looks arse - I keep double taking when I see an Aust spec on the road - I keep thinking its a minature old droopy Falcon :D
You do know that this thread is about the FD2, not the FN2, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
I work in the motor industry. I tell people daily that their expectations on resale are too high. Many friends have told me I was crazy to mod a DC5R because it would effect resale. But who cares? My point was that I could get $60k enjoyment out of a "Mugenated" FD2R. I'm certainly getting $35k enjoyment out of my DC5R. I could sure as hell get more enjoyment out of an FD2R than an STi or an Evo. I just love the sound and delivery of the K20A.
It's just that people are quick to rave about the STi, Evo and R32 but realistically they're no better than the FD2R.
Would you spend $44k on an FD2R if it were to become available here? Let's ignore the Mugen for a second. In my opinion better build quality than Subaru and better performance than Volkswagen. The other cars in the segment don't even come close.
If they do bring it in for $44k, I would seriously consider it. But at this rate, they will probably charge over $50k just to be in line with the DC5R's price and to put it above the FN2R.
for 60 grand not worth but for 40 grand maybe its worth considering.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
your a crack up man...........
Patiently wait'n on his answer...........you think he'll spill the beans?
45k for normal fd2r i would consider it for sure, and for 60k to get mugen that's alright too i reckon, cos it's mugen, got like suspension mods and bodykit etc etc.. just wonder, is there engine mod in the RR? because in the mugen jazz (Dynamite) and civic (dominator) both are turbo charged or supercharged k20 (forgot which one hehe) so ii reckon the 60k for a mugen + type r quite good.
This one has the kit, seats and suspension. But no major changes to the engine other than bolt-ons. Not really worth the extra 10-15k in my opinion. The normal FD2R is much better value.Quote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
mugen civic RR is gonna be a very limited run of about 300 or so units anyway isn't it? which in a way justifies the high price.
^^^only if you treat your cars like colectable basketball cards i suppose:p
Personally id feel better beating on a lesser model with more aftermarket mods, than thashing the life from a rare 1 in 300 mugen enhanced civic.
ek9 ftw.
lol!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
i love this bit.. Power of dreams yo! keep on dreaming lolQuote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
go drive 1 own 1 then you'll see why i am laughing
I went for a test drive of the Evo 9 off the back of a few positive reviews I read and was quite prepared to seal a deal if it was a better driver's car than the DC2R.Quote:
Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]
I ended up sticking with the DC2R.
that's good to hear..Quote:
Originally Posted by slipangle
but i havent looked back since.
then again a test drive for a quick blast is different to living with 1
2 door coupe's cant stand em no more..
maybe im getting old lol
60K!?!?!?!
for a fkn civic?!
i'd get the lancer over the mugen RR (Evo 9 of course)
60K, lets see what u can get with 60K
or u can pay 5 more K and get a nice clean R34 GTR
its just like a collectables, some people pay a few grand for a bloody number plate, or collecting pokemon cards or whatever cards are out there, the "limited" ones ar elike a few hundred bux for a picture on a card. Not exactly paying for what its worth for this Mugen RR just paying for the liking of it and it being rare etc.
Oh right, you bought one so it must be better. It's all subjective so we're never gonna agree on this. I like VTEC cars. Their sound, power delivery and drive. You don't. You prefer boosted Lancers. Good for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]
If you're gonna disagree how about coming up with points of interest rather than the usual retarded forum chatter of lol.
You keep saying that but present no real information as to why people should spend 60K on a Civic.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
You asked the question and then have a cry because people are saying no, they wouldn't waste the money.
:confused:
Accept that people might have differing opinions to you and not agree that 60K is value for money in regards to a Civic and you might achieve inner peace.
You'd make a good Holden salesman mind you - they believe that their cars are god's gift to the world too :D
Tell me why 60k is too much for a Civic but not too much for an Evo or STi? They're just Japanese sedans too. I've given reasons for buying a $60k Civic whereas you've just said it's a Civic. An Evo is just a Lancer, an STI is just an Impreza, an R32 is just a Golf. Where do you stop? The base may be a Civic but there's so much more to it. Why do people swallow $60k for Gods gift to AWD sedans but won't cop it for a Mugen Civic. Do you buy Tsubi jeans because you think they're honestly a better made pair of pants?
This is after all a Honda enthusiast site. Why wouldn't I be passionate about Hondas? Now how many people here have spent similar money buying a cheaper car and modifying it? That makes perfect sense to us here but we dismiss the idea of buying one direct from Mugen. That doesn't make sense to me. Chuck big wheels, suspension, intercooler, exhaust and other mods on a WRX and you still have a WRX. We do it because we love it. If you look back I wasn't the one that called someone out for feeling the desire to own one.
LOL is often used as a forum term for those that don't have the balls to point the finger in criticism. How is saying I'm a fool for seeing value in a Mugen Civic a rational argument?
Spot on. Why have something that everyone else has if you wanna stand out. It's like buying those damn Zephyr 5Zigen chrome wheels at the turn of the century. Every prick had em on a Charade, Mirage and whatever other ricer they'd fit on. Buying a Mugen is something you do for hobby and passion. Buying any performance car isn't rational but sometimes you just wanna do something for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by andiiso
I agree with you, in fact, I had drafted an earlier reply along the same lines as what you have said but decided not to post it and perpetuate the discussion because, if I take a step back and weigh it up, it would be a waste of my time to be involved in a discussion where it seems quite clear that some people can be swayed by the fact that Mitsubishi was clever enough to differentiate the Lancer enough by using the name "EVO" and Subaru are equally as clever as everyone does not immediately associate an STi as an Impreza...furthermore, people can justify aligning a 60K pricetag with what they're actually getting in a Scoobishi...i.e. warmed up versions of their lower end cars,...hmmm, sounds much like a similar formula for a Mugen RR to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
I suppose it's difficult to refrain from entering a argument when someone makes what we feel is a misguided comment, particularly when little substance is added to the discussion. I empathise with your frustration as, everyone has an opinion, and in a public forum everyone is free to make their opinions heard...whatever they may be(!)...
well there isnt at all any present information at the same time, why people spend so much on other things, collectables, the pokemon cards and bloody number plates etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
i guess in the end its just what each person likes, i mean, i think if not everyone out there, most people have something they spent money on that wasnt worth it and had someone say to them "why" and reply would be "cos i like it" or something along the lines of that. So everyones different and 60k is worth it to those who "like" the mugen RR and treat it as a rare thing or something like that... and 60k for a civic ISNT worth it for those who like it but are more of a fan for something else thats 60K etc..
to be honest 60k to me isnt worth it, but i would still get it if i had the chance, just purely cos i like it and theres only 300 made. I dont think you should be comparing cars either, again everyone has own tastes.
i bought 1 cuz it's a better car and i could afford itQuote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
i've been playing with a shit load of hondas...i've had experiences with many different hondas...
i've seen alot of people like u who are stuck in the Honda supreme thought..
wake up and get out of your little fantasy.
the cars are more expensive bcuz it's a better car.
dont get me wrong i love my honda awsome built quality awsome n/a engines. but.. wake up mate. there are better cars within the same price range..
so there fore the mugen RR is not worth it
To me, the better car is the car you like best. Others might like this RR better, while for me, an E36 M3 is nicer for 20k less than this RR. No point telling people which is better because everyone has his or her own preferences.
yea pointless arguements, you guys could go on for centuries about which is better until 1 of either side suddenly has a change in taste..
The best way is for everyone to get the car that they like and we all meet up one day at Eastern Creek for a bash on the circuit. :)
im up for that bring it on lol
That implies that the fastest is the "best"...a bit simplistic ain't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I was implying that we each bought the car that we liked and then go onto the track to enjoy the car as how it was meant to be. Driving on the street at the speed limit, most cars will feel the same power/handling-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipangle
Nope, fastest is not best. But in the context of this thread, yes we are talking about the faster car. Why else would you buy a Type R/EVO/STI/M3/Ferrari/911/V8?
Just personal opinion, Civic is a civic, integra is an integra, evo is an evo, no matter how much is it. It's all about if you think it's worth to pay for the price or not
my own opinion... 60k is worthed for Type RR not Type R... (we dont know how much mugen will charge us for the upgrades anyway - maybe already cost us $10-20k?)
True and I agree...but your paying a high price for a car which would probably be worth only 40k in Aus. if it came out...at the end of the day its still going to be a Civic...but then again its is awesome car so I can understand why your mind would be saying fck it and just buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by spoondc2
not to get flamed but there are sum decent aussie cars in that price bracket as well if noones already brought em up. f6 typhoon and hsv clubbies are around that price as well iirc (the ss is $15k less) yet all would hammer the civic in a straight line. the balance and handling of a car only count for so much, at the end of the day u need sum decent power as goin as well...
my 2c neway :)
from wat i understand,t he clubbie is a pretty decent car all round... handles pretty well.. i love those big aussie cars too (unpopular tho it may be on OzHonda)
civic is a civic for me and thats what i like about it, the balance between efficiency and performance. Something Aussie cars don't have.
Thats a pretty shallow comment..im not a big fan of holdens and fords and probably wouldn't buy one but from what they used to be about 10 years ago..i personally recon they have come up in the market as good quality cars with decent performace..like the new VE SS, ClubSports and Monaro's are really nice cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGBenny
But anyway back on topic id prob spend 60k on importing a civic RR than buying a holden..just because I like my honda's..but I don't need too I'm still overwhelmed by my new civic.
He said he wanted efficiency, so his comment is pretty valid. To me, I didn't like the aussie V8s because they handled like a boat. But the new VE is amazing with regards to handling. Stock for stock, it handles better than my Euro! I've driven the VY and that was bad. The VE is so good that it is a viable alternative to a Honda with regards to handling, and it doesn't even need aftermarket coils! (unlike the Euro)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_typer
Now, if only they put in a better gearbox into that VE :)
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Originally Posted by Philip Lee
nice one!!
OK, if, on the point of measuring "fast"-ness, paying 60K for a Mugen RR is not beyond the bounds of most people's thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Case in point : just came across this vid featuring EVO, STi, Nismo 350Z, NSX-R and FD2R : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ScCGnCmroY
Now, the FD2R is not in a different league in terms of lap times to the EVO, and laps quicker than the Z. IIRC the Mugen RR laps in the 1:04 range at Tsukuba - that would mean it would lap quicker than even the NSX-R if the 1:04 time is true.
The Mugen RR is no less accomplished than the 350Z, EVO, or STi in the 60K price range if we just kept to measuring "value" based on lap times.
wow nice vid thanks. hope they have the RR in a battle soon.
doesnt the mugen civic only an extra 20hp opposed to stock?
Mugen RR does a 1:06:68 @ Tsukuba. Would seem like good value : performance to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnqZl...elated&search=
Here's times from BEST MOTORING for Tsukuba. There's a good argument for it's performance. It's only 3 100ths slower than the SPec C STi.
Nismo Skyline GT-R Z Tune 1 min 01.150 secs
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stra' 1 min 02.440 secs
Lamborghini Gallardo 1 min 03.605 secs
Honda NSX-R 1 min 03.920 secs
McLaren F1 1 min 04.620 secs
Porsche 997 Turbo 1 min 04.730 secs
Murcielago 1 min 04.760 secs
Z-Tune 1 min 05.100 secs*(diff day diff driver)
EVO IX RS 1 min 05.528 secs
997 Carrera 4 1 min 05.980 secs
Corvette Z06 1 min 06.020 secs
Lancer Evo IX 1 min 06.060 secs
NA1 NSX-R 1 min 06.198 secs
Nismo GT-R S Tune 1 min 06.232 secs (340 bhp)
Ferrari F40 1 min 06.460 secs
WRX STI SPEC-C 1 min 06.651 secs ( Current STI)
NA1 NSX-R 1 min 06.80 secs (same race as F40)
BMW M5 1 min 06.560 secs
FD2RR Mugen Civic 1 min 06.682 (running RE55s)
STI S204 1 min 06.800 secs
BMW M6 1 min 07.434 secs
350Z S Version 1 min 08.110 secs
BMW M3 1 min 08.200 secs
Audi RS4 1 min 08.368 secs
Supra Euro Version 330 bhp 1 min 08.460 secs
Mazda RX-7 1 min 08.70 secs
RX-8 A Spec 1 min 09.430 secs
Nissan 300ZX 1 min 10.70 secs
and that vid has the FD2R running on RE-55's with larger rims..
handicap given there.
*edit*
but why are we talking about track here..
if your average person buys the RR they will probably spend more time on the street than track..