is 60000 import the mugen civic RR too expensive?

[aaronng]

Hi All,

The CTR sedan is only $31000 AUD full optioned, in Japan. While the base CTR sedan is $29000 AUD, it cost $10,000 AUD to import which includes all the gst, freight, compliance etc etc. So around $40,000 for a CTR sedan not Mugen RR, thats the same price as the Hatch. I would personally pick the sedan over the hatch.

Is Aus ever going to import these sedans? ...
just read this "http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/News/Type+R+sedan+enters+the+frame.html" awesome!

You forgot to add the dealer's and Honda Australia's profit margins.

[mpd076-chuck]

You forgot to add the dealer's and Honda Australia's profit margins.

That is the normal scenario isn't it? I still don't quite get the UK to AU pricing for CTR. I guess to remain competitive with FN2R they had to cut a deal with Honda UK because the GT version is UK£18,627 which equals AU$44,600.

[1kmodem]

You forgot to add the dealer's and Honda Australia's profit margins.

Sorry forgot to mention this was a quote for a personal import of the CTR sedan from Japan.

[Muzz]

Nah, you should compare it like this:
Civic Type R ~$50k
Mugen RR - $10k more for kit, suspension and bling.

Exactly, why pay extra for a company to mod your type r, when you could use that money to mod it as you see fit. Im sure using the extra 10g yourself to mod the car could produce a better performing car. 10g is alot of very nice performance mods, im sure mugens rr your paying as much for the mugen name, as you are for the modifications they add.

$60g for a civic, no way, id be looking at second hand nsx's for sure

[Muzz]

dosent it make sense to "modify" the current civi sedan with a K20 conversion and suspension work - for FAR less than $60k ?

You guys are taking this " JDM FTW !" thing way too far

Amen brother

[aaronng]

That is the normal scenario isn't it? I still don't quite get the UK to AU pricing for CTR. I guess to remain competitive with FN2R they had to cut a deal with Honda UK because the GT version is UK£18,627 which equals AU$44,600.

UK£18,627 is the RRP. The cost to produce it is much lower. Definitely lower than the AU$40,000 RRP of the FN2R here.

[m0nty ITR]

No

It's a Civic.

I'd never bolt all that shit on

It's a Civic

Civic /= 60K

In 10 years time it will still be a Civic.

Its a Civic

'nuff said

BTW: I didn't really read your post, fanbois annoy me

Fanboy? Hardly, but nice trolling.

Come back with facts or at least a rational argument, not a short sighted opinion.

[aaronng]

No

It's a Civic.

I'd never bolt all that shit on

It's a Civic

Civic /= 60K

In 10 years time it will still be a Civic.

Its a Civic

'nuff said

BTW: I didn't really read your post, fanbois annoy me

I just want to add, if that Civic turns into a different car in 10 years time, then it is a MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!

[Setanta]

Fanboy? Hardly, but nice trolling.

Come back with facts or at least a rational argument, not a short sighted opinion.

<--- Owned and driven Hondas consistently for 20 years. I think I know what constitutes value for money in terms of Hondas. I've owned and driven an S800, Civic 1200RS (JDM spec gen 1), 2nd (including a JDM "S" pack), 3rd, 4th (including JDM SiR which saw track time as well as road time) Civics as well as raced 120 bhp gen 1s and a rayjay turbocharged gen 1. About 14 Civics and a concourse S800 plus an immaculate 3G Accord and a 1G teg over that time period. Please don't talk to me about "short-sighted", you have no idea how stupid you sound.

Should you wish to continue your ideas, how about you raise a discussion as to why a Civic is worth 60,000 dollars. YOU might spend 20K to Mugen mods on an FN2, I can most assuredly tell you that most people won't. A Civic is a Civic, it's a budget car and the Type R is a performance variant. That doesn't make it value for money, and if you think you'd get close to your money back come sale time, you're sadly mistaken. Look at DC5Rs for example: great car but damn they took a nasty depreciation hit. Closer to home, look at the VTiR hatches and coupes. People want to sell them for 17-20K yet no-one wants to pay that much because a seven year old Civic is just that - a 7 year old Civic. People are wary because a lot of R owners drive the cars hard.

Feel free to fork out your 60K but don't tell us why WE should waste the money you're prepared to.

The question was "are you prepared to pay 60K for a Civic".

The answer is no.

BTW: Despite the engine/handling package, the car looks arse - I keep double taking when I see an Aust spec on the road - I keep thinking its a minature old droopy Falcon

[aaronng]

<--- Owned and driven Hondas consistently for 20 years. I think I know what constitutes value for money in terms of Hondas. I've owned and driven an S800, Civic 1200RS (JDM spec gen 1), 2nd (including a JDM "S" pack), 3rd, 4th (including JDM SiR which saw track time as well as road time) Civics as well as raced 120 bhp gen 1s and a rayjay turbocharged gen 1. About 14 Civics and a concourse S800 plus an immaculate 3G Accord and a 1G teg over that time period. Please don't talk to me about "short-sighted", you have no idea how stupid you sound.

Should you wish to continue your ideas, how about you raise a discussion as to why a Civic is worth 60,000 dollars. YOU might spend 20K to Mugen mods on an FN2, I can most assuredly tell you that most people won't. A Civic is a Civic, it's a budget car and the Type R is a performance variant. That doesn't make it value for money, and if you think you'd get close to your money back come sale time, you're sadly mistaken. Look at DC5Rs for example: great car but damn they took a nasty depreciation hit. Closer to home, look at the VTiR hatches and coupes. People want to sell them for 17-20K yet no-one wants to pay that much because a seven year old Civic is just that - a 7 year old Civic. People are wary because a lot of R owners drive the cars hard.

Feel free to fork out your 60K but don't tell us why WE should waste the money you're prepared to.

The question was "are you prepared to pay 60K for a Civic".

The answer is no.

BTW: Despite the engine/handling package, the car looks arse - I keep double taking when I see an Aust spec on the road - I keep thinking its a minature old droopy Falcon

You do know that this thread is about the FD2, not the FN2, right?

[m0nty ITR]

I work in the motor industry. I tell people daily that their expectations on resale are too high. Many friends have told me I was crazy to mod a DC5R because it would effect resale. But who cares? My point was that I could get $60k enjoyment out of a "Mugenated" FD2R. I'm certainly getting $35k enjoyment out of my DC5R. I could sure as hell get more enjoyment out of an FD2R than an STi or an Evo. I just love the sound and delivery of the K20A.

It's just that people are quick to rave about the STi, Evo and R32 but realistically they're no better than the FD2R.

Would you spend $44k on an FD2R if it were to become available here? Let's ignore the Mugen for a second. In my opinion better build quality than Subaru and better performance than Volkswagen. The other cars in the segment don't even come close.

[aaronng]

If they do bring it in for $44k, I would seriously consider it. But at this rate, they will probably charge over $50k just to be in line with the DC5R's price and to put it above the FN2R.