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why do you think i am upset?Quote:
Originally Posted by VT1-R
i dont think i will listen and change my fn to dc5R or ep3R, older model
, no way man, time is moving on
i need something new, so fn2r is only new type r available in australia
and there is price different anyway btween fn, dc5 and ep3
if you not happy, you should complain to honda australia why they didnt bring fd2R instead, so you would get one
sorry
Unfortunately you may have been influenced by people who cannot afford a new car(for one reason or another)and they are offering you advice based on the OLD cars they own.So,the result is they talk up their cars and they discourage people who have even the slightest interest in the FN2R.They also compare their eg DC5R/S ,the FN2R is a CIVIC not an Integra.Why don't they compare their Integras with the JDM DC5R and see how short of the mark their cars are!They've done it plenty of times with the FD2R Vs FN2R.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veegtec
There have been a number of reviews/comparisons where the FN2R has come up on top especially in overseas mags.and in our very own Wheels Mag.A couple of German reviews saw it win comparison tests!
Top Gear = Hot Hatch of 2007,AutoExpress Hot hatch of the year,CAR Mag.winner in it's category performance 2007 etc the list goes on and on.
I suggest that you try and find a copy of the British Mag called"Track and Race cars"-This publication is more specialized in the area of track work .They compared 11 hot hatchs to determine the overall winner.The FN2R came 2nd and achieved the 3rd fastest track time beating the Golf GTI Edition 30,Mazda3 MPS and Astra VXR.They also comment on the torsion beam set up on the FN2R. Consider the Peugeot GTI,Astra VXR and Megane 230 R26 also have a torsion beam set up.
I bought the car when only a few reviews existed I also tested the Golf GTI and for a turbo, it didn't impress me-it seemed a little "spongy" in the handling department.I also considered the Megane RS,Focus XR5,Mazda MPS but I kept on coming back to the Civic -I suppose I am a loyal Honda fan:)
I believe the days of having a Type R like the DC2R are over.People want their creature comforts the market has changed.The fn2R is the highest selling hot hatch in Britain at the moment.
The Fn2R isn't perfect there are a few changes that I wish could be done-but at the moment it's all we have from Honda.I suppose the CR-Z will be the next sport orientated car from Honda.......very interesting times to come.
Good luck in your choice :honda:
I dont want my creature comforts. People put down the FN2R for a reason - because compared to DC2's, and even DC5's - they are alot less rough and raw.Quote:
Originally Posted by fasthonda
Plus, it is almost an insult to true honda fanboys to put a rear torsion bar on a car that from its origins, is supposed to be track inspired.
From the civic forum..
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Originally Posted by Thachng
well said :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood
If you are not upset i am gald.. FN2R is a nice car too i mus say.. May not be lightning quick but still does the job..Quote:
Originally Posted by bodaas
Also, you should not change ur FN2 for sure because its current.. Power is not everything.. have a new and updated car is also something impt..Jus do suspension upgrades, power upgrades, possibly supercharge.. and no one would say FN2R is not a real type R anymore...
gd luck..
I understand your opinion-but Honda believes(rightly or wrongly) that you are in the miniority.Even the DC2R was suppose to come without a radio, power windows and mirrors to save weight.But for the Australian market, those items were included along with the option of AC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood
Probably cars like the VW Golf GTI had Honda and other car manufacturers looking to what the market wants-stripped out hardcore track cars seem to have taken a back seat for the softer ones-the more all-rounder types e.g Golf Gti even the Focus XR5.
Maybe Honda could have a Type RT version more suited to the hardcore fan.Ford has done this with the RS versions of it's Focus.Subaru also had special Spec versions in Japan of it's STI.
I personally would like to see a hardcore version of the Civic Type R complete with independant rear suspension-I think that the only opportunity people will have to buy such a car is to wait until the FD2R is eligible to be imported under SEVS.:honda:
Im sure Honda has spent plenty of money researching and has, indeed found out that we are the minority. That isnt the point though.Quote:
Originally Posted by fasthonda
What im saying is, they have differed from the path of creating track cars, and have instead (in Australia at least) created watered down nonsense compared to earlier models.
DC5R if I had to choose.
Sorry guys, I have to say this, all you guys carry on about "Hardcore" blah blah blah. I really do "understand" what you are saying but!
Honda sell cars to make a profit. In order to make a profit, the will sell something that is appealing to the majority.
To do this there is alot of factors, heres a few....reduce production costs, be competative against other cars in their category, have creature comforts etc...
Now, if the FN2R came stripped out as per "Traditional type r" Honda would sell jack s*it. Lose alot of money and Honda fans would bitch about how they dont even get a watered out type r.
To the people who insists on a hardcore type r, you are probably dreamers who cant afford it anyway. Otherwise, you can buy a FD or FN for that matter, strip it and wholla, a track car!
I absolutely agree that "Type R" should be left for the track orientated Hondas. But time has changed and Honda has changed with it!
Sorry if this offends anyone, but I cant stand the FN2R bashing anymore and good luck to the FN buyers, cause I really think it is a very nice all round car!
End rant!
I'd agree if Honda stopped making track orientated Hondas, but that is not true. The FD2R exists, just that Honda Australia hasn't done a feasibility (I am guessing not planning to either) on bringing it in to Australia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepolian
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Originally Posted by Nepolian
LOL.. as if Honda FN2R is like $1million dollars.. almost every hardcore type R who want to afford the FN2R can afford it.. $40000 driveaway brand new!! get a demo for say $35k? lol.. those hardcore type R ppl spend $35k easily on a real honda..For example being a DC2R($20k).. Do suspension,engine,bling stuff,body,wheels etc for that jdm hardcore look($15k)
So shut the part on ppl being able to afford it or not...It jus that you are softcore..
Arent we getting a little nit picky about the argument! My post if it did not come across like this was...if you want a track car......BUILD ONE.!Quote:
Originally Posted by VT1-R
Stop bitching about one that we cant get and putting people who buy a FN2R down.
It is so hard to believe that there are alot of dreamers on OH.????
If thats the point you are trying to get across about each to their own needs and hardcore ppl can build their own cars.. den fine...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepolian
Btw, we are not bitching about the FN2... we are just toking bout its pros and cons compared to the ITR.. and ITR came out the obvious winner..
Why go around calling ppl dreamers for that? Every1 has the rights to give opinions in this forum...
:cool: We'll leave it at that and stick to the topic.
i own a 2007 civic type R since new but, they do have problems with them such as the speedo is out by as much as 8%. the rear tail gate holds water and if you tint the windows the radio reception is poor to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by tectalk
since october 2007 i have had it back to them at least 15 times.
not a happy owner, honda australia have issued me with a letter saying they have fixed my problem to australian standards and to go away basically.
am now looking a outher makes unfortunatly.:thumbdwn: