true that.. heh.
modding NA requires quite a bit of cashola..
mate of mine's DC2-R worked NA is a machine but at a very expensive price!
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true that.. heh.
modding NA requires quite a bit of cashola..
mate of mine's DC2-R worked NA is a machine but at a very expensive price!
well i just bought my b16a halfcut for 1.9 k =] but its ausdm =[
That's a bargain! Hook us up if you can...
oh nice one..
How does the ausdm b16a compare to the other b16a's?Quote:
Originally Posted by iwantvtec
lol.. basically the ausdm b16a has onli 118kw.. compared to jap spec b16a which has 125kw.. power diff...Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
the other diff i am not sure..
Since you're so knowledgeable could you explain why the jap spec makes more power?Quote:
Originally Posted by VT1-R
^And by your estimate here my integra non vtec that made 80kw atw should be making about 118kw to the flywheel?Awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by VT1-R
turbo sucks
LMAO
far out im blind
i thought this thread said
diesel turbo vs b16a
i was gonna say
diesel turbo hands down.
lol
idiot.
Drivetrain loss is all dependant on the car. ALso don't forget you have Dyno differences also.
I beleive the Jap spec b16 was slightly higher compression than the AU version. I had a comparision table somewhere but i dunno where i misplced it
Yeah!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2dc2dc2
lol i dont know the dif between jdm and ausdm b16's but all i know is that the b16 is bit faster. AND THE DOHC ON the rocket cover is bigger =] hehehehe
Here's the latest dyno sheet broQuote:
Originally Posted by VT1-R
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car...05-05-2008.jpg
More info here
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...=79182&page=22
Lol.. I didnt say i am so knowledgeable.. I jus know that jap spec b16a makes more power than Audm b16a.. Did i mention i noe alot?Quote:
Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T
Also, the estimate about a stock b16a makes is a rough guage proven by many ppl who dyno their car.. I have a friend stock b16a who said he dyno 82kw atw stock.. So i am jus stating an example..
Nobody gives a shit about how ur shithouse non vtec got 80kw atw after u spending $10k on it..
If u are not helping this guy out, go check out the asian chick forums and wank urself out and leave this to us..
nice bro.. Turbo D does have good potential.. good luck.. Concentrate on internals for longevity and reliablity..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
IN THE END there are 3 issues CHEAP, POWER, Reliability.
Chooose 2 (example cheap power) the third is gonna be the issue (the reliability).
10k?Buddy that was stock ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by VT1-R
My point is,as i've noticed over time,you go round posting incorrect bs misleading others who don't know better..
No need to get upset lol
10k? i dnt think it would of cost that much, because da9's have the b18a engine? lol there cheap to mod + fun. HEAPS OF GOODIES FOR them. Mate had 1.
get b16. go n/a for a few months and then turbo it when u get the cash again.
a turboed b16 will eat the d16 turbo alive.
nah bro turbo d series FTW... i heard it will eat a K-series for breakfeast
lol.. what bullshit have i posted? by saying jap spec b16a is faster than Audm b16a?Quote:
Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T
Is estimating a fact that a stock b16a makes about 80+kw at the wheels wrong?
If i am in the wrong i admit, but for u to lash out like a dick at me for just trying to help, thats not cool.. lol..
Example of a b16a civic dyno result with only an intake shows 92kw(124hp) atw.. So stock unmodded, b16a with a dyno should make mid-high 80kw atw.. What i say may not be 100% correct, its not bullshit at least..
http://www.dohc-vtec.net/pages/linke...-exhausted.htm
LOL. don't u have a b series engine?Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
yeh dude.. Turbo D are the shizzle
i think he's being sarcastic.
Hey,it's great to see you've come around Fatboy!Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
so whats a safe psi to boost ur d series? without any internals done.?
10 psi :)
10psi in vtec D will easily munch a mildly modified b18c7.
who said i am....i've seen one in action(racing) and driven a d16y8 turbbbbbbbbbboooo..... Nothing special.Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
hehe I know your a b-boy :)
shit dam this is a long thread.
I can't believe y anyone is even arguing for.
TURBO-D-SERIES is the FUTURE! MAX POWER and MAX STREET CREED!
/thread
who me bboy? lol yer..
So true Barefoot.Just look at how cheap d-series stuff is.You just have to learn how to fix stuff and you can keep a d Turbo going and going on the cheap ftw!
What d-series VTec engine would you guys recommend for a Turbo setup?
I'm lostQuote:
Originally Posted by beeza
are we now talking for real or just been stupid noobs?
slap a GT40!! woohoooooooooooooo.....will make crazy power.Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
I was joking b4 but my last post was serious.I've never driven a b-series engine but I love the d and a d Turbo would just be mad fun haven't driven one either but I was a member on d-series.org and for a year I read thier stories about the Turbo d.My d16y4 just loves to be wound out to the 6.5k rev limiter,increase the power and rev limiter = PHOOOOOOAARRRRR Yeh :)
Wouldn't there be a fair bit of lag on such a big turbo though? I would ultimately want the car to be very responsive and fun.Big high end power would be cool but I just wouldn't get to use it often and I would be tempted to use it where I shouldn't be...
If you P&P and 3 angle valve job etc etc on the head would that sacrifice low end power for top end?
lol @ this thread, so many arguments at the end of the day, we can all quote numbers and figures lol just bring it to the strip!!!! im interested to see how the d's do on the 1/4 in australia anyway dont quote the americans :wave: :thumbsup:
I started a new thread with my questions above:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...33#post1668933
Cheers guys.
getting my b16a installed 2morrow i cant wait!~!~!~
:thumbsup: Good choice buddyQuote:
Originally Posted by iwantvtec
Ill pump 20psi into a stock D-series!
lol... d series ftw!~!~
I've driven a few B16's and they didn't feel much better then my D16 stock lol
I know a few people dispointed with there swaps... but oneced turboed they love me heheh
yeah i ran a couple of B16's..
after each run they used the excuse that their vtec is ****ed!! bahahaha
maybe it wasn't tuned...
You need to drive a few more by the sounds of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
The b16 isn't that amazing but comparing to d series both na its no comparison.
i've never seen a NA D16 beat a na B16 that's for sure.
i've seen some b16s beat some b18s though
its called driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
ye fat one and skinny one lol
Not saying they beat em just they didn't feel much better!Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
yer dat was wat i was gonna say, i drove my mates dseries sohc vti eg, and i drove my mates si eg, the si dohc nonvtec had way more torque i believe.
d feel of vtec and the feel of vtec + turbo is 2 different things.
no doubt if i had the cash i would go b16+turbo but unfortunately im POOR.
Seems like ur on a tight budget, go for the boost.
or u could go for d b series + extra cash from whereever. You can then pay off the cash u borrowed over time and then boost your b series.
or u could have more fun with your d series and save up money for your b later on.
obviosly everyone on here has their own opinions. n personally at the end whoe opinion u going to follow? sum guy who thinks that d series r the best and u should boost it. or sum guy who hasa b and thinks that d-turbos are for try hards and wankers? If sum1 has a b, they gon think the b is better, cause if they thaught the d was better theyd get a d. and the chances of dat is pretty low.
where as sum1 wid a d, usually cant afford a b so they boost their d and go faster than the b.
thats what i did n im luving it.
so what do u wanna do? go faster than a b? or dun want "ppl" to think your a try hard n get a b and be slower than the d turbos, which u could have had? lol
i think the answer is obvious.
OR get a b and save up for sum boost. short term or long term? up2 u
and as far as it goes with your budget, pay me 3.5k n ill hook your car up lol. 3.5k is plenty to boost your d.
That's about what I paid :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fo55il
Fo55il
Ya go boosted in the end hay?
Nice one, what kit did you end up going for and what power are you making?
nah i bought my b16a alrdy getting back on fri... im probably gonna drive my b16a till i get off my p's save up for turbs, whilst doing my sussy and handling. I may be thinking to upgrade to a b20/turbs in near future...
lol i'd gladly take any EK to the track with my d series..
true there are more parts out there for b series, but once i boost my d, you'd best be running for the hills!! mehehe
if i boosted my b16a/ comparing apples with apples, i think that'd be the same with your d series too. You just cant compare a turb car with a NA car..
yupQuote:
Originally Posted by iwantvtec
NA to NA
turbo to turbo
Its unfair to test it otherwise
lolz ok..
looked at a peakboost kit for the d series..
standard kit can pull up to 450WHP..
ridiculously quick..
yes well i wouldnt waste time running an NA B16 if my d is boosted would i?
what can I expect for 3.5k ? what sort of power and is it a DIY kit ?
3.5k = greddy bolt on + cooler n piping + injectors + installation
im waiting on my injectors atm tho then a tune. all set
But if u wan compare apples wid apples. compare 3.5k to 3.5k
d series on boost compared to a b series half cut lying in your garage. ?
lol
personally if i was gonna turb my car, i wouldn't trust a "DIY" thats just imo. I think i would be going all out, bout like 6 k for jus a kit...
you get what you pay for...
omg - go back n read lukenz posts. !!!
on prices and read mine too.
what diy u talkin bout? greddy bolton + installation. no DIY
lol i dont think i paid that much for my b16a w/ jdm block only 1.8 k. lol if u paid 3.5k. consider yourself paying bit too much. hate all this talk bout b16a cost this much lol. Know right people and it wont cost "that" much.Quote:
But if u wan compare apples wid apples. compare 3.5k to 3.5k
d series on boost compared to a b series half cut lying in your garage. ?
lol
oh yer i jus drove my mates turbo ej8. The torqueness is totally different compared to a bseries. I admit his ej8 had big balls. But its totally different to NA.
oh ok -Quote:
Originally Posted by iwantvtec
not too sure how much they r,
apart from that. not everyone knows the right ppl.
Erm.. built that 450whp 1st then come back and laugh at N/A B16 k..Quote:
Originally Posted by B147ch
Before that, dun say B16 is shit.. A heavily modded EG B16a can run low to mid 13s k.. Its respectable.. Not a waste of time..
F**K yer go b16's, nah like its not the power house sh*t like a dseries turb, like i have heaps of respect for a dseries, coz f*k they quick man. but you can't say the b16 n/a is a hunka junk. For what it is a 1.6 l, far out i've seen it give some 180's and s13's (sr20de's some times turbs and ca18dets) a goodQuote:
Erm.. built that 450whp 1st then come back and laugh at N/A B16 k..
Before that, dun say B16 is shit.. A heavily modded EG B16a can run low to mid 13s k.. Its respectable.. Not a waste of time..
go.....
Also, i would respect a person if he has a 450whp D series turbo ride in his garage more than one who talks about it and starts putting other engines down as if he has been there done tat..lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by iwantvtec
can be achievable. We ran 13.9 with a average b16a +ITR CAMS, had the usual I/H/E ecu and tune. With some crazy head work and slicks those times can be achievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by VT1-R
lol YER never underestimate a 1.6 B!
You know I loved my SOHC VTec even before it was boosted..
For a 1000kg car 96kw can still be fun IMO
lol its obvious that a
b > d
but $ wise d > b
yer b's arn't the cheapest cup of tea.
good choice if u'r on ur P's. why boost the D if u cant drive it?
& wen u finally get ur B boosted u WILL have a big-ass smile on ya face!!
i like how this guy thinks, think practical =]Quote:
good choice if u'r on ur P's. why boost the D if u cant drive it?
& wen u finally get ur B boosted u WILL have a big-ass smile on ya face!!
btw, now u got vtec, u'll have to change ur name :p
Change it to "Ihavevtec"..lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by kraiye
your damn right! also if your going to boost the b, i wouldnt bother getting a b18/20 block, just keep the b16 cos you'll get enough torque from the turbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwantvtec
btw whos doing the conversion for you?
andy GEEE!