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that's fair thenQuote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
ahh well i said that cuz he said it wasnt his fault...i felt that theres no reason for him to lie on ozhonda...my badQuote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
i was a red p plater last year and pretty much everyone of my friends wether they drove a swift or an wrx with a cannon on it everyone knows you revv it to impress one another... its just what young people do...
plus if you install a CAI another reason to revv your car...
sure u dont do it all the time but u have pretty much said that you have never revved your car...
i thought hondas liked a rev, this sounds like terrible luck mate, i have skipped through most of the thread, but bloody bottom line should be you buy the car to use it, not baby it. so honda should base their bloody warranty on if everyone redlined the things every day.
i certainly know i do.
having a intake does not mean you revv your car hard.. so if a colored person stole a tv.. does it mean all colored people steal tvs? dont you think your over generalising? your basing all this crap on no evidence apart from your own opinion..
yet again, you use as whole different example.Quote:
Originally Posted by warwick108
you don't get a intake to drive like a granny, you get it for the noise and power it makes at higher RPM.
sure you may not do it all the time, but you do, do it.
no i'm not over generalising.
your just using a crap example of colored people stealing tv's.
So bob_san, how deep was this supposed offending puddle? It would have to be deep enough to almost fully submerge the CAI pod under water... not just a little.
well said mate. hondas are made to be revved. if not, then why did they even bother having vtec on all the new civics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherweeeny
your intake was modded, you car was also apparently ridiculously overfilled with oil and it appears you've had water in your intake.... if you were on the other side of the fence would YOU approve it under warranty.
warranty is for manfacturing defects of the vehicle, which doesnt appear to be the case here.
also you are quick to bag out the dealership, which don't appear to have actually done anything wrong. they followed all the required steps and got honda australia involved. honda australia made the call and denied the repair under warranty. there is not much the dealer can do from there in that regard
honda aust in general bend over to please the customer unless the customer is clearly in the wrong
as for storage of the car that is then on you. why should the dealer have your car in their workshop taking up space? they are only a franchise, it's not like your car was at honda australia.
you car was there for months. if you had the car in an average city/inner suburban carpark the fees would have been well over $2k lol
fuel economy :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob san
obiviosly you work for honda... its easy for you to say since its not your car.Quote:
Originally Posted by panda[cRx]
obviously you nor honda don't give a rat's ass about their customers well being, only about revenue and profits. every since this incident happen, i had to quit my job, my parents had to buy another daily car. and did honda give a crap about all this? Nope. Offer any kind of solution to solve this problem? Nope.
their solution? point the finger at the stupid kid who modded his car. they must be thinking 'this little kent modded and blew up his own car, lets milk him for all his worth'. and they truly expect him, a 21year old struggling uni student to cought up 11g on his own. hows that for common sense?
do you even know why i left the car in the dealer? if i towed it back out do u think they are gona to let me tow in back in? and hows paying $420 for their 'diagnosis' of the engine problem, when they even havn't determined if it was under warranty or not?
when you buy a new car from them, they promise you the world. try go back to them with a problem, and they don't even want to know you. :thumbdwn:
hm... somehow i have to agree with his point of view here...Quote:
Originally Posted by panda[cRx]
thats called salesman!!! no salesman ever bothered "taking care" of you after you purchase, most likely, a one off purchase like car, house, apartment, etc. If its a "rental" purchased (e.g. software rental licence, etc), then they will keep on supporting you coz they're affraid that you stop renewing the licence from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob san
yes 11k is alot of money.... so why would honda fork out 11k when it's not a defect of the car? "oh shit he's a student, we better pay for it all then!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob san
my dealership and i look after our customers very well, honda is generally quite good as i said. this time it is unfortunate for you that the repair costs are so high but it's not honda's (or your dealers) fault imo
Tho you gotta admit Panda, they should at least provide a 'official' report on what their official stance is... as in what is wrong and why it's not covered under warranty - be it due to the cai sucking in water or just excess revving.
Either way Bob_san isn't arguing their decision to not cover the repair. As I said earlier.. he's just unhappy with how he *felt* treated.
Anywho.. when I was a uni student (almost 2 yrs ago now) I was driving a hand-me-down festiva... what a beast.. wish i had a nice civic then.
Get a loan and fix up the car... get one through your parents and work your butt off on paying them back. No more modding for you!! (till its paid off)
Just accept that its your own fault.
Lesson learnt is this journey we call life.
11k is alot of money i agree, but remember Honda is not a charity they are a business and the aim of a business is to make money.
Bad luck to you man.
Sell the car, see what u can get for it.
Not trying to stir shit or anything,
But i know of people who have seen you drive
and they say you are not exactly 3rpm shift type. :)
overall, i reckon you should have put all da original parts back before you went back to honda, you might get a differnt outcome if you did so. :honda:
Should have de modded vehicle before entering your dealer. You are in every right that it should not have failed and this is a interesting topic to follow to see if honda will pay for the repair. CAI and Exhaust shouldnt kill a HONDA engine but then again the THAI product is showing its true colours.
lol forgetting a few points there dr honda. the oil was overfilled and he's run into water with his CAI. that doesn't even take in to account how hard he may have been driving it. i don't know bobsan but like dc2dc2dc2 i have also heard a few things
and dr honda why would you suggest it's a thai build quality issue? if so wouldn't the same thing be happening to stock civics out there?
I must have not read half the thread. If hes sucked water in then case closed. Over filled oil level depending on how much will not kill it either.
I asked honda a while ago, and they said you can modify the car, as long as you do not touch any sensors. Headers are a no, no... but a Cat back should be fine, as it's after any sensors.
Intakes however are most likely going to void the warrenty.
This sucks for you man... I hope it goes well.
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Originally Posted by DR HONDA
The engines and drive train are made in Japan, then exported to Thailand and assembled there. so effectively it's Japanese made, Thai assembled.
I still want to know how deep the supposed offending puddle was... how sure are you that his CAI did suck in water?
(what a useless thread)
you know ppl who seen me drive? or u know pp who know how i drive? if u know me then u know i take care of my car. so don't go around saying u know how i drive if u don't even know who i am personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2dc2dc2
and yes marcivicvti, thankyou for actully taking your time and reading on what this thread is about. i don't remember any actul effects of water going into the pod, but as u know this is a internet forum so ppl are gona say alot of stuff based on what they think is right. for i care i can tell honda i straped a big T88 turbo to the car, its up to them to tell me why and how the engine failure occrued. which to this day i have seen yet to see any proper report issued by honda.
and yes this thread is going nowhere, thanks to those who come and start posting who no understanding of the situation and don't even bother reading the thread from the start.
u know how we save 10% for the importing fees or wateva.. for them to send it to thailand then send it to australia.. how many of us would rather pay that little extra and have ur honda straight from japan? your really still generalising that if you have a cia you revv ur engine..thats just the dumbest thing ive ever heard.. just think mate.. use ur brain..
on a brand new engine under 3000km on the clock? Coz that's a problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Sherweeeny
Th dumbest thing you've ever heard is true for the majority of modifiersQuote:
Originally Posted by warwick108
Funny that i just got back from the factory in thailand and watch them grind there own engine components. Engines are made from core steel/alloy at the factory. Get your facts right champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECMACHINE
15000 already :(Quote:
Originally Posted by T-onedc2
Dr Honda, surely its the same as having BMWs and VW's made in South Africa... i havent really had any problems with the civic.. but i sure was sketchy about buying something from thailand.
however this seems to be one of those one in a million things.... so unless a lot of other engines start failing i doubt being made in thailand is really an issue!
sorry for being a lazy bastard, but was anything proven to cause this specific screwup of the engine? water getting in? was that it?
your personal life, not their problem, don't even know why you mentioned that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob san
lol.
yes, shouldn't, BUT water in the combustion chamber most probably will.Quote:
Originally Posted by DR HONDA
he said so himself in another thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by markCivicVti
lol.
lol, sooooooo people put CAI's in just for fun?Quote:
Originally Posted by warwick108
lol.
.... so what's the outcome i wonder.
okay i see your point...it may have been his fault...still...im sure they can spare 11k theyre a big business.....yeah?
business's have to stand their ground when it comes to situations like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracker
if honda passes this through, people will think, "oh we can mod our cars, and if anything happens, honda will pay for it"
lol, it's not going to happen.
right. If the car was 100% stock , and using 100% stock fluids/parts and also driven "normally" then Honda , after much discussion with its defense lawyers will fix the issue.
But if you have a modification , even worse one that can directly relate to the issue at hand ~ honda will NOT fix it. They will show you a piece of paper stating "you had a CAI and water went in. Your fault" then end.
i'm quite sure what his whinging and whining about, or so he says.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
is that he just wants a report saying it was over-revved.
but then he start bitching about the repair bill.
and how some honda dealer treated him badly.
that dealers name is in the thread somewhere, ben, shouldn't you get rid of that? it's defamation.
lol.
ill have alook thru now. If names are named then its ban time.
eithier ur just an insensitive A$$hole or just plain selfish. you probbaly think this is all just a big joke to you, laughing in your little computer chair.Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
and defamation is a term u use when you purposely use words to insult someone or something. not when your surpose to be the victim retelling your story. use a dictionary once in a while.
u can ban me for all i care. i think ive made my point here.
jokes son calm down. No one here is getting banned. Only edited.
BTW , Until proven in a court of law ~ you , stating AND titling / labelling X company did this / failed to do this is defamation. Honda , can take you or Ozhonda to court for such a case. So say what you want but dont NAME NAMES. Keep that to pm thanks.
PS you have dug yourself a hole , with this CAI / water injected stuff. I know from first hand experience not much water can weaken and destroy a engine in the same way yours sits now. Honda arent dumb and they are sticking by it. It will take alot of time and $$$ to even TRY and make then think otherwise ( in court)
good luck
no i'm not insensitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob san
it's like saying.
example
Honda is doing really bad, and can't afford to fix your car underwarranty, even though it is warranty.
how is that your problem right? it's not you expect it to be done, if it was a warranty item.
it's not a joke, it's a matter that you could of prevented, and now whinging and whining why honda won't repair your motor.
yes defamation
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/defamation
you were bad mouthing the Honda dealership
you wanted to start by trying to give me a smart ass comment about using a online dictionary, and dished it back to you, and now your upset?
lol, if you dish it out, expect to get it back.
you don't have to bother with me, i'm only in this thread, to make sure people don't get mis-informed of what actually happened, and people don't get the blame that they shouldn't be.
1 - this guy sounds so childish
2 - Why should Honda Aust. repair your car when you have violated the t&c of the warranty
3 - why should Honda care what your situation is?
4 - I wonder how you treated THEM??????
5 - most male drivers under 25 don't drive cars like a granny
6 - A representative of Honda should start a thread on this case, telling their side of the story
7 - i have read the entire thread and have come to the conclusion that you whine too much
all you do is whine, self centered, not looking at fact
yadda yadda yadda
stop crying and grow up
Cut him some slack come on his engine blew up on a new car... i would whine and do everything to get it fixed aswell.
i second to that FROST_FD
sorry to hear your blown motor mate...i hope it goes well!!!
wait wait wait. are you telling me an R18A engine costs $11,000? o.O
maybe try to source engine from wreckers? is that possible?
keep the childish comments to pm.
OP , in all eyes this looks to be something you cant get compensated for. You , really are legally at fault and no one else. I would be bitchy and moany , like you if i was in this situation for sure. But i wouldnt live in denial that i didnt read the T+C properly and also deny my mods had anything to do with this issue.
You're a insensitive douchebag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
But yes, unfortunately Honda (and all other car companies) will try and get out of honouring their warranties as much as possible, and because of the mods - they had it sort of easy.
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Whoa really? Well mechanics around aswell as Honda say otherwise. But I guess your right... You learn something new everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by DR HONDA
forget about replacing ur engine with a k20a just put a f20c.. you might aswell go all the way..
i think he said somewhere that he doesnt have a job anymore
i 2nd the first few points bludger said. he aint insensitive, just stating the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood
also honda doesnt try to get out of warranty, they replaced my window and my engine mount even after looking at my coilovers and engine mods. the window broke according to honda, cos the coil-over was way too hard. they did question whether or not i race my car cos of the mods but stil, they did replace it in the end. the discussion only lasted bout 15mins before they agreed to fix it so yeh. don't know where half you guys get your info from
so i guess it depends on the dealership as well, i bought 3 hondas from col crawford honda so i dont think they will mess with me, i deal with the same salesperson as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by 7ypeR
If this is true you are very lucky indeed, if it were at my old dealer one look and we'd price you up on the cost of replacement instead of a warranty jobQuote:
Originally Posted by 7ypeR
11 grand is alot of money for an engine but I would have to agree with the decision the Dealership/Honda Australia has decided. Anything you do that has a direct effect on the damaged item would void the warranty. Warranty only covers defects in manufacturing and workman ship. I think you should stop bagging Honda as you are clearly at fault and your story is very one sided. Look around and see how many fd civics there are on the road, yet its only your motor thats blown. It has to tell you something.
I agree with you. i knew my chances were slim when claiming but i accepted that it was my fault. it was only a bonus that they covered it. thats not to say they were all smiles when doing it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rice_4_life
It was just a basic postQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood
I could have totally owned him and you for that matter, so stfu
i'm looking at this from a broad prospective, looking at both sides
the girl in question is just whining like a Thai ladyboy
and what the **** do you know about this situation
all you know is what you read here and its only his side of the story, have you heard Honda's side of the story yet???
Aaronng edit: ~removed egging on and attack~
insensitive???Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood
what should i do????
be his mummy and say everything will be ok???
all he has done is complain
F**KING LOL!
Man I so wanna meet ya in person man, you seem like a funny man.
why, whats that meant to mean?
No, no.. nothing at all. I just LOL'd at your posts. You make me lol sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
someones in love
I feel sory for bob san.
I read his old posting about how proud he was owning honda. He even went through great effort putting sound deadening and all sort of other stuff on his car.
Truly enthusiast :thumbsup:
It's tough luck to get an engine blow up. It really really really really is.
After reading this thread, I have no idea what it is all about.
From my point of view, it's better to make the most of what you have now.
I believe one or two thing can be done with the car. The whole car is fine, apart from blow up engine and few scratches. The scrathes are not biggi really. You can drive the car with them ;), can't you?
About the engine. Is it 100% unrepairable? I believe there is a lot of expert in this forum who can offer their advice and opinion. Can the piston be replaced?, how about the block? It may work out cheaper to repair it, rather than getting new one.
So think about a new chapter of your car :)
This is my opinion, but feel free to pursuit Honda for fixing it up.
yes. im not angry about this anymore. so over it. its time to move on. time to get the R i'd always wanted...Quote:
Originally Posted by twing
thanks for all the comments guys. im getting my car fixed soon and lets just say its not gona be a 11g job.
well ive already learned that this is all just a phase i have to go through in life. SXXT happens.
and the engine its probably a write off. i don't know for sure what happened and what parts from the engine are missing.since honda didn't even bother telling me what they removed from my engine.
ive had mecahnics looked at it and it would probably be cheaper to replace it then to fix it.
i thought u hated honda and you said you'd never drive another one again.
Bob San,saw a couple of written off FD2 in a wrecking yard in Sydney,Hontoys in Yennora,both had side impact and engine looks ok.They said they are looking at $3-4k for the whole engine,went there cause I'm interested in the leather interior.
Bit harsh boys. The water incident happened days prior, so it was not the culprit. The CAI is nothing more than a cold air intake, for the ones that don't know what that is, it's basically just a different air cleaner assembly that draws air from outside the engine compartment, not a different intake manifold, that was also not the culprit. Now the overfilling of the engine oil, that could do it... I would have thought that if Honda does not want to honour it's warranty because of the mods, then they have to prove that it was the mods that caused the engine failure. If I was you bob san I would ring the Honda wreckers as stated earlier and get a quote for supply and fit of a used engine. I'd be surprised if you couldn't pick one up for under $1500 and fitted for under $3 grand. I do agree with the fact that you would have been better off at another dealership, I know about that first hand. A good service manager would have gone into bat for you. I know of a great one if you want to know. Lastly someone mentioned a rev limiter not working during a mis shift. Thats just Bull Shit. Thats what it does. It usually cuts ignition once the pre determined revs have been reached. Good luck Bob
why wouldn't it be the culprit?Quote:
Originally Posted by disappointed
it may have done enough damage for it to weaken the components, and then giving way days later.
lol.
How do you know it is? Even honda didn't say it was due to water that entered in through the CAI...Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
(I'm not saying that it wasn't.. but you can't assume that is was)
I also think you should get an engine from a wreckers if they are as cheap as 3/4 grand. I wonder if the FD2's K20 would be an easy swap... at least they are both DBW.. just make sure you get its ECU as well.
Actually.. forget about the k20.. get the r18a... atleast then you have the engine mounts and all that already in place. Would be a lot simpler.
If you are refering to the water, It would have gone straight away, damage done is damage done. Water damage would be evident in the combustion chamber, Honda would have told him about that straight away. In years gone by, mechanics used to pour litres of water down the carby to decarbon the valves, and pistons.Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
An engine can be weakened by a small amount of water and within X amount of ks just give up / seize or fail. That is , a small amount of water. Not that this matters facts are
Car owner used aftermarket parts against hondas T+C.
engine blew up.
honda isnt paying.
Not from my experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
Maybe, if you own a Honda, you should't be driving while it's raining. Make sure there are no puddles on the road, in fact maybe we shouldn't wash the dam things.
Yeah...
Maybe you should sell your Honda, if you hate them so much.
lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by disappointed
no, it can weaken them.
and then after a while, it still give way.
it doesn't have to give way on the spot.
mechanics USED to.
lol.
tell them to do it now, they use something called, carby cleaner.
lol.
yeah i can assume it is, because he said so himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by markCivicVti
lol.
Nah mate.
I woudln't wanna buy your car probably end up like ur mates. :)
stupid boy, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by disappointed
Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
How would he know? He would have been in the drivers seat... not in the puddle looking at the end of his CAI as his car was supposedly sucking up water. He drove through a puddle.. I can assume thats true.. but I don't think he knew whether or not he sucked in water.
The puddle would to have been pretty damn deep to submerge his CAI pod.. i don't think his ride is even lowered... just cai and exhaust from what I've read.
Hi Jac, late comment, LOL...just read ur thread, and now already 14 pages long:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob san
1. Just accept the fact, no point argue or begging with Honda anymore. just wasting ur energy. We all know, u'r not in good bargain.
2. pls don't go that Honda dealer anymore to fix ur engine. u already void ur warranty anyway, what the point u go back there and give them some profit to fix ur car.:thumbdwn:
3. Honda dealer price always higher than other places (and parts too).
FYI. i quote audio steering button from Honda Aus dealer $200, but i got the same parts from Honda USA only $70. today i tried again, get quote for OEM gear knob, they quote me $140, UNBELIEVABLE, Honda USA only quote me US$14 not include shipment. Yes, I can prove it. same serial number, even the salesperson (Aus) can't say anthing when i confronted to him:wave:
so shop around to other garage or re-condition engine specialist
4. FYI. My friend just had his Holden Comm. 1998 (???) new engine, only cost 2g all up. My Mazda Van also got new engine couple years ago, only around 2k too. not sure if R18 engine cost so much.
one again, shop around first. i see someone sell K20 engine, and the price not up to 11g.
5. May be u can consider selling ur car at that condition (13g may be :confused: to pay off ur loan), get same amount loan again plus add around 8g to get new civic (again:D)
at the end, GOOD LUCK mate, very sorry for ur unfortunate situation.
when you MIS-shift... you over redline your car cos your tranny is spinning faster than your engine speed... rev limiter does jack all in that situation... thats what the guy ment...Quote:
Originally Posted by disappointed