I smell a 1700kg car with a 12L/100km fuel consumption. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
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I smell a 1700kg car with a 12L/100km fuel consumption. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
yeah, 4wd commodore.... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I also got quoted that price for base model manual from a Melbourne Dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
I think the car is slowly growing on me. Slowly but surely
fark if comments around increase body regidity are true then the new Euro will be awesome to drive because fanging the old model I was amazed at how confident the chassis was!!!...........only means the car itself now will feel MORE under powered.......hehehhe.
ashame for us if we buy it in March/09 as wow factor will be long gone......hahhaha.
I really would like to trade my 1 1/2 year standard Euro for the new Euro but my wife would kill me...arggghhhh.
How many more sleeps? I hope the time speeds fast otherwise I'll crack up like a piece of melting ice. That would be a downer. My wife wants me to score a new car. She's the real hero in this tale because, while I doubt I can afford it, she has faith that our investments will magically mushroom soon.
Does the car come with LSD as well as the two piston callipers?
Man! That crescendo wave of expectation is getting higher with every information-juicy post.
lol no lsd, yes to 2 pistons
Friday 20/06/08 released here in Perth.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
(3 sleeps!)
just discovered that this will be released shortly with bigger numbers to follow in Nov08. Theres not much by way of 4door sedan affordable performance so this looking likely atm.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/341...iart-revealed/
Depends on what you are after.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
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Originally Posted by Type R Positive
I'm after 4door sedan performance in price range under $40K before dealer and delivery charges. Decent interior and has to be new.
What do you consider "performance"? How many kW do you want? An XR6 with 195kW comes in at under 40k. Even the 3.5L V6 Accord is under 40k. You can even get a Falcon with the 230kW V8 for under 40k new.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
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Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
With petrol prices on the high, are you also thinking about economy? if economy isn't an issue then theres a wide range of performance sedans available, just need to find the one that really calls out to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
When i first began car hunting about 6 months ago, fuel wasn't an issue for me but now its changed entirely. I originally wanted an is300 but i thought twice about it and decided to go more economical.
good point......I did note that when I was looking through one of the car mags on prices and the new falcon does look good.........but the local cars are a tad big for us and handling wise their not quite as tight if I can call it that.......Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
my def of performance is anything I can have a kain through OPH with and for it not to feel BOATY. pretty broad def hence euro is on the list. ITS ON THE LIST!!! : ).
No fuel is not an issue as most of it is company paid for.
taking orders allready !! this model is going to be VERY popular !!
Where's my quote? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by VT3C
Mazda 6. destroys the new Euro in every aspectQuote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
Even the current Euro is a lot better than the new one. I've been trying to decide between the current one and the new one for a while now and what finally swung it for me was that picture of the boot of the new Euro. My 10 year-old hatch with a sub and an amp in its boot that I'm replacing has more space than it... :thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
Plus I ended up getting an absolute bargain on the current Euro which you just won't be getting on the new one any time soon.
But hey, to each their own.
Learn to ignore IAMVTEC. He is just seeking attention.
Thats a big call there chief.Quote:
Originally Posted by tarik
hahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
i finally drove one today and they're pure sex. they shit all over the old ones and any of the direct competitiors :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
And I stand behind it! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Seriously though, I've been looking at Euro for two years and I've been looking at the new one ever since it was announced. Maybe my expectations were too high, I'll grant you that, but I was just getting more disappointed the more I learned about it.
It's a great car on its own. It's got some good features, good looks (for a someone likes those sorts of lines) and it is relatively aggressively priced (understandable in this environment).
However, I don't see it as a replacement for the current Euro. I view the current Euro as a luxury and very sporty family-car. I view the new Euro as a luxury and sporty over-grown Civic of yesteryear.
And that's fair enough. The new Accord is an awesome luxury family car if one wants that (it was a bit too big for me). And the new Euro will fill its own niche, but I just don't think it will be a same niche as the current Euro.
I'll shut up now. :D
In what way? all news coming out seem to be positive improvements over the current model by way of slight power increase, braking and chassis.Quote:
Originally Posted by tarik
anyhow main point is your content with the one you have I suppose.
Chassis way firmer for sportier drive, way more aggressive front end, Pumped guards, lower and wider, increaced power and torque, bigger brakes, better interior, $1000 cheaper....
I think it's more than a worthy replacement indeed.
I have to admit, the body styling has grown on me. I really like the masculine lines, something I think the old euro really lacked.
I do think they could have done better on the flared guards. I like the older side mirrors with the bigger indicators better.
To me it just looks like the old euro finally grew some balls.
I think you will change your mind when you start to see them lowered on 19's or 20's. ;)
um i beg to differ.... wat about power? the accord vti has more power than mazda 6 lolQuote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
and for those that havnt seen it in the flesh, be patient, alot of the dealers said it looked so much better in the flesh than it did in the pictars
I think you need to drive it before you give your opinion either positive or negative.I'll be waiting till i drive it before i give mine.
I was thinking the same thing. But on paper.....Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
Mostly "stupid" things by most people's standards, probably, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
1. I don't like the styling. It looks a bit too aggressive for my taste and way too masculine. That's why I don't like Mazda6 either (as well as other reasons...). Again, I'm not saying it's bad, just not my cup of tea.
2. I don't like the "boot" (if it can be called that). As someone said previously, it looks like an after-thought.
3. I absolutely hate the space-saver spare wheel. This is a show-stopper for me.
4. New dash is very difficult to read in sunlight. Now, it could be that my eyes are a bit too sensitive (someone may want to link that to point 1. above :-), but I just couldn't see a thing.
I saw one at my dealer yesterday. It was only a standard but I didn't really like the looks at all. It doesn't seem to flow to me. The only thing I don't really like about the current Euro is the slab sided back and how narrow the rear track appears to be - the whole car looks a little narrow when in the company of cars like the Mazda 6. But the new one looks unresolved and fiddly. It does look wider and the stance slightly more planted but overall just not my cup of tea. I don't mind the interior from what I saw of it and I'd like to check out a lux when they get one in but so far I'm pretty happy I got an '07.
At first I thought the new Euro looked a bit flimsy just 'evolving' over the current one. But after seeing the pictures posted by VT3C - the car looks pretty damn good - in both standard and luxury. Heck, the new Mazda 6 looks ugly - it's only the luxury sports that is ok ok.. just not the base model..
As for the boot, if it has the same capacity as the current one I'm happy... or maybe wait for the wagon(hmm 2 years away?) - now there's heaps of space. - the issues of the 18s not fitting into the sedan could fit into the wagon. Anyway, tonight I'm going to one of the melbourne honda dealers - for a presentation of the new Euro so I see and fire off some questions - about the boot :p
I don't see anything wrong with the dash, - it would probably take some time getting used to it - ergonomic wise - if the new Euro has that switch which can dim the brightness of the console and the tacho, speedo etc.. then it shouldn't be a problem for sensitive eyes . :)
I'll leave my comments until I see the car tonight :)....
it's a shame these days most cars this size weigh 1300kg+.......
if only they were able to keep it around 1200kg mark.......
ive got them all on the yard now, the more i see them the more i like them.
and lol @ tariks comment on looking too masculine. do u want a girly car? maybe VW beetle??
Please give us a detailed report, especially the new Euro's boot size compared to the IS250's boot, which was pitiful.
New Euro certainly looks the goods, the boot is a bit offputting though
alot of families/business people after a fuel efficient sedan can base there decisions purely on the boot
I know when my parents were after a sedan, the GS450H was on the buying list but the boot on them is pathetic! even for a hybrid
ended up with a bmw 5 series
i wonder if the new euro can even fit a set of golf clubs in the boot? or is it better then shown in the pictures posted?
How deep is the boot? length wise
Haha, I knew someone was going to say that... Yes, please, a Mazda MX5 :pQuote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
Seriously though, when I say it's masculine, I mean that it is conspicuously masculine. It's not subtle. I like the subtlety of the lines in the current Euro.
Again, I know that these are all very much personal preferences. I respect them and to each their own.
Yeah, I probably would be gotten the new (or current) wagon if it was available. I was actually tossing up between Passat Wagon (sedan's rear is just plain ugly) and current Euro.Quote:
Originally Posted by IVTECS4
I ended up chickening out of a wagon because I didn't want to become a weekend taxi driver for trips to Ikea for the rest of the family :D
Which reminds me of an awesome sticker I saw on a ute a few months ago:
YES I HAVE A UTE
NO I WON'T HELP YOU MOVE
NSW ppl.........parra trivett honda have them for test drive this wkend. I'm tyre kicking on sunday morning.
Passat R36 wagon... now that is one a wagon I would get. If the family wanted me to be their Ikea truck, they would have to catch me and the R36 first!
Mind you before I had my Euro, I used to drive a 1998 Mazda 626 Wagon - that car was underpowered and pretty porky (1300kg + not helped by the crap 4 speed auto and 2.0 MZR engine - 93kw/178Nm ). But apart from that though, there was nothing wrong with driving a wagon :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tarik
With the wagon gone, my Euro sometimes is used for hauling things (doesn't do a bad job actually) and I think my old man's car is gonna get a replacement soon so we had a look at the diesel Passat wagon and the new Euro wagon with the new I-DTEC diesel (pity no news on the wagon or diesel engine yet). But if the wagon variant was available with the diesel engine and 5AT then sweet put me ( or my old man) down for one ;)
wagons sales in this class are under 20% hence honda not seeing the need to bring the tourer here
There are quite a number of Subaru Liberty and Outback wagons on the street though. I wonder what the ratio of Liberty and Outback wagons compared to Liberty sedans is. I'd get a diesel wagon Accord Euro.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
I read somewhere on a website( I think goauto or drive) that the wagon version could be a possibility at 2010 (when it is time for a update. ) Also it mentions the wagon was having a problem with meeting ADR - that thingo(what's it called?) for the baby seat to hook up onto.. it needs to be redesigned or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
But still I wouldn't mind the Accord Euro diesel wagon...
The market for Honda to get into is diesel on top of their fuel saving petrol cars...
I even sent my research thesis paper of the diesel technology and Australian market I did for my Masters to Honda last year!
I just saw a 2009 Euro driving around Epsom Road and Southern Cross Drive in Sydney, there is a dealer nearby. Black body, silver bonnet. Couldn't see plates or anything as I was too busy driving!
Looks good on the road though!
Do people use their car boots? I thought that the boot is there to balance the design front to rear otherwise they'd end up looking like they got a big schnoz and no bum just like the new WRX hatch.
I use mine every day and it's regularly full. Boot space, size and shape is a huge buying factor for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
Every day. There's always something in there!Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
We travel abit and it helps to have a boot you can fit luggage in for two ppl.
Saw the new Euro in the flesh this morning.Boot space is good,about the same as the current model.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
Interesting features:
- Lux gets auto headlights
- Heated side mirrors
- Passenger side mirror tilts down when you go into reverse
- Lux gets 2-memory for the powered driver's seat
- Front and rear windows are now auto up and down
- Lux with sat nav gets a reversing camera
- Lux gets front and rear sensors
Nice features...it kind of reminds me of the the features in my mums lexus rx330 and thats a luxury car and a half!Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
But yeah, i saw the new euro in person today and i like it. Especially the interior! Its very luxurious!
Also to balance weigh distribution. But this can be fixed easily by throwing in 2 giant subs in the boot. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
they look shit in the fotos, a clone between an Epica, commodore, aurion and all sorts of shit... had a chance to see one in the flesh at a QLD dealer today and i think im in love...
Do the interiors come in tan still?
Mate, the car looks stunning in the flesh... I went to a presentation yesterday night at one of the melbourne honda dealer - courtney and patterson - a invitation only by UNLS1 and I got to see, touch and sit in the new Euro - definitely a classy car! The presentation offered some very handy information as well....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilli
Well, the new pricing isn't as bad as I thought it would be, specs are nice, and the design is growing on me.
It's sure begging for some lower suspension though.
I think I'll wait 12 months or so for some low kms ex-demo's to come up at a decent price.
Hi all, I have been waiting waiting waiting for this car, drooling over the pics on the UK site, because I want to update AND of course wondering what they will TAKE OUT of the overseas model to come up usual cut down OZ version.
OK I have to live without the lane detection, the voice activated sat nav, the collision detection braking system, the adaptive cruise control, ultrasonic security alarm, superlocks etc etc, BUT WHY does Honda Australia persist in calling that 3 button 'module' stuck to the A pillar an Integrated bluetooth!! gee it mutes the audio.... while you take your hands off the wheel to fiddle with it.. It must really cost a fortune to ship the steering wheel integrated module to Australia (Sat Nav Luxury model at least).. In my present model that thing wasnt even available BECAUSE I had Sat Nav. Why cant they even allow the fully integrated overseas version as an option?? Yes it may seem petty but hmm seems to me that mobile phones are something we take for granted these days and many new car models have real integrated units...
Luv Honda cars had 4 so far, and I do like the look and techno upgrade of this new one but the bluetooth 'misssing' oh yes is an option for someone to take the dash apart to install... really is ridiculous.
interior only comes in black as far as i know
I agree that Bluetooth should be standard on the Lux or at least Lux with Sat Nav and it should be integrated into the audio system and wheel.
apart from that, theres not really much else I would want that isnt in the Euro Lux. The main ones for me was memory seats which it now has. Front and rear sensors are great.
It would have been good if the nav screen was capable of playing DVD movies as well.
I think that the Acura TSX can do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdongers
The 04-07 couldn't. Not sure about the new 08.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
Awesome, one more thing to distract already shit drivers...Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdongers
BTW it's illegal to have one in sight of the driver while the car is moving
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by euro77
Me too. Stuffs me what everyone is complaining about? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
I took a lux auto for a spin this morning, bloody nice drive.
The paddle shifters on the wheel are a nice touch.
Yeah would of been nice if they kept the up n down on the shifter too; but I like the shifter overall
Honda said it was cost. I read somewhere that it would add $10k - $15k or something rediculous to the price. In the states, the TSX competes with the IS250. Here the IS250 is what, $20k dearer?Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
It did work great. I definately noticed the difference between D mode and S mode!Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
I didn't get too much of a chance to try it out, a bit too much traffic
But the little pockets on the side of the center console are handy as hell for pens and phone, really probably one of the more useful interiors out there
So I take it that you're looking at getting one?
How did you find the road noise and power over your '04?
The 08 TSX apparently plays DVD Audio disks. I'm not familiar with that format but test reviews say the audio of the TSX is stunning when playing the DVD Audio format. I don't know if that means it will also play DVD movie disks.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
DVD Audio and Video are two different formats...
DVD Audio is like a better version of SACD (Super Audio CD) which is better than your run of the mill Audio CDs
Thanks. I was not familiar with the DVD Audio format.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
Layed down the cash.... should get it this week. :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
I was dissapointed that they didn't have a manual to drive, but the auto was fun. It is hard to compare power, from what I can remember what my '04 was like, and the '09 I drove was an auto. What I can tell you is that the engine was more than willing and capable. It didn't have problems with going to red line, and I swear I could notice more torque down low.
I should have driven it back to back, but I wasn't interested at all in getting another "old" euro.
Road noise was quiet in accord euro fashion. You can still hear the engine when you boot it, so not all is lost!!!
It drove really well. I flogged it around some roundabouts, and it stayed somewhat flat and just gripped. You can really tell that the chassis is a whole lot stiffer. I would change the tyres to something more sportier though. My corolla (that im trading in) has michi's on and although they last great, grip is lacking from them.
Since it looks like you're the 1st. new Euro owner here we'll all be waiting to hear a review after you 've had a chance to put it through it's paces over the next couple of weeks.:):pQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
I have not seen new Euro in flesh. I got to have a chance where I can see it and possibly test driving it. I had my standard 2007 6MT Euro but this new Euro has emotionally affected me to update the car. Plus, the new Euro now priced lower than ever...I am soooo tempted to get the Luxury or Luxury with sat-nav. Should I update one or not? I still think my Euro is still very nice to drive...or I wait until the new Euro got facelifted in its mid-life (2-3 years later maybe)?
Just remember that everyday you keep your existing car, your changeover will be more....
Got to have a quick look at one yesterday, quite nice, rear end styling will need to grow on me, otherwise it looks great
at least that drive by wire gas pedal is refined than the CL9, from what I heard from James(UNLS1) - he told me about testing the VSA system in the Auto... and apparently the drive by wire gas pedal is good - instant kickdown instead of the 'lag'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Laggy kickdown is not caused by drive by wire. It is caused by the auto transmission's ECU control.Quote:
Originally Posted by IVTECS4