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Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by CL455
They're still made to a budget and designed for the back streets of Thailand, not the open roads of Australia.Quote:
Originally Posted by S2kane
The NSR150's sold pretty well for a while too, and look where they ended up.
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Originally Posted by preludacris
If you find the weight of a 250 intimidating then methinks you should stick to the pushie.
i just feel for the price of picking up a single R u might as well spend the extra cash and pick up a RR....Quote:
Originally Posted by Feverpitched
i just had a bad experience with my single R ... and shoulda picked up a RR for the price... that's my reason...
Single R's are said to have 5hp more than the RR's, be marginally lighter, have only one front brake disc and have a more upright seating position. However the differences are really negligable.
If you find a good R for a decent price, and let's face it, being a single R in itself is a great bargaining advantage for the purchaser, then it'd be as good a learner's bike as a RR.
the 250rr isnt intimidating. I started riding on one =) Sure at the beginning the "power and weight" you may be a little overwhelmed. The power shouldnt be as bad after the first week. But the weight is always gona be tough lolQuote:
Originally Posted by preludacris
I wouldnt get the R if i had the money. although if i was on a budget id get a r, despite the shitty seating position imo its a good bike to learn on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feverpitched
I don't see why. They're basically the same bikes, just that one is cheaper than the other. For example, a Hurricane model R could be had for 2.5 - 3k if you bargained hard enough. Compare this to a Sumoto special RR with super smick paint job and dodgy mechanics for $5k+.
LOL at Sumoto :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Feverpitched
my mate got a good single R for 1.7k and its still running hard after 3 years, he has now given it to his little brother
Are there any cruisers that make good learner bikes? Sorry i'm a real noob on bikes.
Yamaha Virago! 250cc baby cruisers!! Search under XV250Quote:
Originally Posted by racerwannabe
Has anyone ridden a cagiva mito 125?
I can get an 05 model for $4k from one of my mates.
I was being sarcastic when I said 'what are you going to do on the second week after you learn to ride the first week?'
But seriously. If you can get a 600, Id get a 600. Will save you shit load of money down the track, and you will learn on a decent bike.
You will be bored and disapointed on a 125 or 250. I have seen it many times.
It doesn't take long at all to learn how to ride.
It's weak as piss. Its tiny and gutless.Quote:
Originally Posted by D R U
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Originally Posted by preludacris
ROFL!!!:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Feverpitched
lol well i mean. for somebody who never ridden a bike b4. they are quite diff to the ones you learn on like the cbf 250's. brakes and throttle a lot more sensitive. heavier etc.
i mean i rode on one b4 i even had any lessons, and even tho i was riding it around after a lil prac, i gotta admite when i first jumped on and pressed the brake, i almost tipped the bike... lol.
I know what you mean. :)
Just by spending a few hours on a particular bike will make you lots more comfortable.
My missus rode my brothers Hayabusa no worries. She had only ridden a dirtbike bike for a few months at the time, and only a honda cbf? 250 for about 2 hrs when she did her licence test.
I brought my missus a new WR250F to go dirtbike riding with. She had never ridden a bike before. Only took her about a week to become confident in the bike. I didn't want to get her no TTR125 or 250 as some here would have definately suggested...... She definately happy that I got her the bigger, better bike. She would have been spewing if I had of got her a heavy, slow POS that I would have had to sell a week or two later. She even found my 450F nicer to ride than her 250F. Extra power made it easier for her to ride it.
Hey guys... on topic with bikes to learn on, I have a Q.
Once you have your motorbike learners license... what would be the process of learning? I don't have any friends/family with bikes. How can I learn? Cos I'm a real noob i'd be looking at the cbr125r. Is my only option to pay for lessons? Hows does that work? Do you have to have the instructor as a pillion? I'm so confused...
Learning to ride would make more sense if as a learner you could ride your 125cc bike alone... or how else are u supposed to get experience without paying a fortune in lessons?
just ride around side streets.
i rkn if ur getting a bike purely for fun/speed, u mite wanna get a 250rr or something similar straight up, coz itll take a lil more practice to get used to, but you will enjoy it more later. a 125 would most definately be too slow after a few months.
if its for fun/petrol saving/commuting/ convenience, a 125 would be easier to learn on. and you can happily wait 1 year until you can upgrade to a 250 or 600. IMO.
125 will blow you away literally =) ... see what happens at when you ride near the oceans
Thanks guys.
I suppose my main reason for looking at the cbr125r is cos I want a new bike. I know it sounds stupid and everyone thinks you're gonna drop it anyway. But its really only for a bit of weekend fun. Nothing serious, not really even trying to go fast.
Ride around side streets ey? Is that what alot of motorbike learners do? Obviously I wouldn't know how to change atm, but if thats something i can learn/practice on the smaller streets around where i live then its sounding a little more feasable.
Hi again guys,
I've had a read around... and have to to the conclusion the the cbr125r is really not right for me. Not only will it get boring very soon... I'm also 6'2" and over 80kg... which ain't gonna look pretty.
I'm sorta annoyed because the thought of a new bike for 4k is sweet.... but now having to spend around 5k for a 2nd hand 400cc bike is sort of sad.
Anywho... this saturday i'll go out and get my RE license... and sometime (towards mid-end sep) do the basic QRide course.
I think from memory, I had to answer 3 questions. That is all for bike licence if you got car license (which I assume you have).Quote:
Originally Posted by markCivicVti
If you have your open car licence, you can get your open bike licence just by completing the Qride course. :)
Go through Qride its self to do the course. Going through a bike shop will just cost you double. For what? Booking you on the course? ;)
Mate, even a 250 is going to be the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by markCivicVti
Pffft! to all the people that recomment 125's and 250's..... :wave:
There are some exellent learner bikes out there such as the Suzuki GS500 (naked) or GS500F (fairing). Bikes like this are just so easy to ride. New ones are about $7k! :thumbsup:
Have the QLD bike laws changed yet? :confused:
If you're a big fellow get an Hyosung GT250R yo :p
I'm surprised to see the Hyosung GT250R more expensive than the kawasaki ninja 250R..
Any opinions on the ninja 250R?
My mate wants to pick one up, they dont look too bad with all the fairing, 7Gs on road?
I prefer the hyo, looks meaner IMO and if you want it to look like a GT600R take all the stickers off and paint the exhaust black! lol
From a reliability/brand name perspective I would go the Kwaka. There is still a massive back order on them I was told recently, so I would assume the retail value will also hold quite well if you were to pick one up now.Quote:
Originally Posted by markCivicVti
CBR 125 = 13hp lol.. enuf said just ride a horse or bicycle... !!! jkzjkz... well i guess for really small girls/guys its not bad... and it's a better looking alternative to scooters for daily riding...
rather than spending 2 to 3 grand for a scooter u can get cbr125 instead for 4 ish...
13hp? seems too high, lol
everyone is such a hardass on here... if you worked in my line of work you would SEE the injuries that bike riders have, the gruesome deaths they die as a result of either their own stupidity, lack of experience, or others stupidity, or a combination of both...
I wont claim to be an angel, but who gives a flying rats **** if a learner bike is 13hp? criticising the bike, or people who ride them is like willing people to go and die... is that wise? seriously, BOYS... just because you have balls doesnt mean you need to have everything you say result from your screaming hormones....
THe purpose of LAMS, and for manufacturers to make bikes like this is so that we all learn to ride with minimal risk... i dont know of any Rossi's on this forum... and i certainly am not one... so lets all grow up yeh?
I'd like to know from peoples experinces what the 125 is like to ride as a LEARNER, not as a Stoner wannabe...
end rant
well said.
ive been told im too tall and heavy for a 125
and that it wont get me past 80km/hr
so its an issue
LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by krogoth
yeah, few opinions:
don't speed - 60kph
don't ride on freeways
?? lose some weight
jk jk jk!!
yeah, it makes it tough with the restrictions. Sometimes it's just hard to "beat" the traffic and get out of trouble with underpowered bikes. IMO,i don't tend to slow down to merge, but i try to speed up and merge because then i can see and predict traffic ahead of me.
u have to have some power in the end, it is a necessity
i think 125cc 4strokes are just not good enough
u cant get urself out of trouble in case the situation arises because there is no power
but im not saying go out and get a 600cc, because thats rong too
but even now zilli, honda have a 400cc bike, learner legal, among many other manufacturers too
ya ....u need power big time. today i was riding into the tunnel, and i was beside this truck and keep my space behind it while being beside it
i decide to pass him and he crosses my lane, i dropped 2 gears and whammo got myself out of trouble just in time ....otherwise my head wuld be in the tunnel wall
and braking wasnt an option?
im always careful wen passing trucks
i make myself known to say the least
make them aware of u b4 u overtake, just keep switching lanes, making racket
i even turn my lights on wen passing trucks, this is all in the car btw
krogoth, technical issues that come with your size and weight etc are factors that you need to consider when buying a bike, and i would probably be too heavy and tall to be comfortable on one too...
thats different too saying "pffftttt 13hp.... what a gay bike".... know what i mean?
nah braking wasnt an option, i was 3/4 way beside him to passing him until i saw the blinkers on the corner of my eye
Seriously, a Yamaha WR250F trail bike STOCK has 27hp. It is a gutless learner trail bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilli
Just because it has more or less power DOESN'T make it a learner bike.
Having no power can get you into just as much trouble as having too much power.
what a ****ing stupid childish attitude... but its your attitude so whatever...Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Learners should NOT be putting themselves in situations like that... otherwise there would be NO reason to have a learner strategy, and NO need for bikes which dont have the ability to get a learner in trouble... it's attitudes like yours that cause deaths on the roads...
As a learner, ride slow, be vigilant, look at whats around and ride defensively NOT offensively...
Riding fast, and using all the power of a motorcyle are not what the first 6-12 months of riding is about... it shouldnt matter how much power a bike has, because you aren't racing
Getting out of situations? such as what? having to make a fast takeoff to avert a colision from the rear? you dont need a superbike to do that... to get away from a car that is merging on you? you're an idiot for riding in the blind spot or beside a car... you are taught that in the training... a fast launch on a CB25 to 30km/h will avert a stand still situation...
You DONT need a powerful bike as a learner, if you did theyd teach you on R1's and show you how to ride fast, not carefully...
If you proactised the principles you are taught you give yourself plenty of room so you are considering the possibility of a problem situation... anything other than that is out of your control...
just my opinion i suppose
I agree ^
me too! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by S2kane
Just quoting you Zilli. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilli
^ thanks... keep it in context when you quote me in the future...
wow... so much passion here... lol... I didn't say that Ls bike need power but I just think there are better LAMS bike out there... but If you are light and small then its not a bad choice... But I think getting a bigger bike like ninja 250, suzuki across, and other 250s or larger LAMS is better... U will have better skills in low speed manouvers... which will help you not to drop or control your ever so hot dream bike when u have your fulls (while doing u turns.. balbalblabla)... LOL...
IMO that is...
Didn't bother reading the other pages but my friend had a CB250 and it seemed to be good for a learner and not expensive either. Another friend had a Spada which he said was a decent bike aswell (more sporty than the CB250). You won't have the bike for that long anyway because as you would already know, their learning/provisional periods are different.
Why not buy a cheap yet reliable first bike and save up money for a nice bike when you get your full license like a Triumph Daytona 675 - hot.
havent read this thread but the cbr250rr shits all over anything u can get as a learner
there is simply no competition
wat about the zx2r 250 . arent they pretty much same spec as the cbr. they look the same almost
here in the states, the most popular started bike is a gsx-r 600 or the honda 600rr. The honda is obviously better with the steering that it has.
Thanks for your contribution. Very detailed and well thought out. I am sure everyone else in this thread is glad you did so much research before posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Entity
1. It is irrelevant as we cant ride them here as learnersQuote:
Originally Posted by Illegal
2. They are still not a great learner bike IMO
lol...............................Quote:
Originally Posted by Entity
wtf is so good about the cbr250rr????
yes, theyr pretty good, but they certainly DONT "shit all over anything u can get as a learner"
too many poser learners out there that want to ride because it looks cool, thats y they go off and pay 6k for a 1988 model cbr with a poof body kit on it
6k for a 19yr old bike, gtfo
its all these idiot learners that got ripped off when buying their cbr coz they thought it was some 19year old pos bike worth its weight in gold..after they got it they realised how fkn stupid they were to pay so much for it so they go off trying to rip off the next IDIOT learner
SO IMO, stay away from the cbr and go for a good naked........with the prices some cbrs go for u can buy a brand new cb250..............................
no point in spending 6K for a 19yo bike, then realise your gonna up grade to a bigger bike in less then you know it. Get a bike you can learn to ride on, somthing that wont hurt as much when you drop it, cause... as a learner... U ARE GONNA DROP IT!! weeeeeeeeeee
meh ...im not gona bother saying stuff now. the more i say things the more i get frustrated.
man,it shits me up the wall when im browsing through bike point or something
and i see 1989 cbrs and older with alot of KMz selling for anything between 5-7k
i mean wtf
and ppl buy them, fkn hell
jap sports cars of that age hardly reach that price
There's a big demand in learners bike and those cbr250s are highly reliable. You buy at that price, you learn, you move on, you sell at that same price more or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by krogoth
............but mate, they are almost 20 years old
u can get similar and better performance bikes for around the same price, NEW
http://www.hondampe.com.au/wps/wcm/c...pecifications/
thats just one option
PLENTY more
ppl get the cbr coz they want a good looking sporty bike, they dont like the nakeds, they want fancy ass farings and bloody body kits
yes the cbrs are excellent learner bikes, but theyr prices are way over inflated
if u can find a good one for 3-4k MAX, then go for it...but id rather save a little longer and go with a brand new bike and sell a year or 2 later for the same price
well it's really personal choice. If u like to spend a little more and buy a brand spanking new or second hand naked bike for around 9k+, then i assume you would want to stay on that bike for a long while... and there's probably a bigger depreciation in value for those bikes.
For the cbr250, like i said, if u buy at that price, i'm sure u can sell at that similar price with little drop in value. It's for people to learn and there's currently huge demand for learners who can't afford brand new naked bikes even though a few K extra.
For others, they may only want to learn, sell, and buy a bigger bike later.
It's your first bike, not your last...
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Originally Posted by krogoth
all of what u are saying is correctQuote:
Originally Posted by rokkuchan
and i agree with wat ur saying
but did u read my post properly?
i never said 9k.................of course not, 9k for a learner is too much, unless its a one or two bikes i can think of
did u see my link???
some ppl charge more than that brand new cbf250 for their 20 year old cbrs.........
and ppl buy it...that makes no sense to me....
There are plenty of other bikes that you can buy that hold there value, cost you alot less in the first place and wont have the maintenance issues of a 20 year old bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by rokkuchan
CBR250RR ceased production in 1996, they were so overstocked that they were still selling brand new ones till 2000 or even a bit later.
Just jumped on bikepoint and did a serach for CBR250RR in VIC and guess what, there's a 2008 Honda CBR250RR for sale... wow its an RCV22 model... must be so new that I've never even heard of it before, I'm so out of touch these days
i think those are imports that have been complianced in 2008?
those ones have aftermarket bodykits on them which look great, but im pretty sure they are still really old bikes, which are being sold for 8k which is pretty far out.
in regards to cbr250's, u guys know if an import would be worth it over a aus model? on bikesales the grey imports are for sale from as little as $3,000
Yeah dude, I was being facetious - hence my opening comment about ceasing production in 1996.Quote:
Originally Posted by preludacris
Those nice body kits are from TYGA. I still wouldn't pay $8K for the bike though.
haha. oopz. u shoulda put a lol or tongue out or something.... lol :P :P lol.
sometimes sarcasm doesnt translate well online
how much r those tyga kits cost and whats involved?
Tyga cbr is like motorbike rice.. :) jkz
By the time you pay the joke of a price for the old cbr plus buy and fit the kit you may as well buy a late model nicer bike lol
na i find out. its about 1200 for the kit landed from tyga plus paint i guess. so bout 4-5k for a cbr250 with a tyga kit lol. sif i pay that much
just get a cheapo learners.
then buy a proper 600-1000 later.
you're quite rightQuote:
Originally Posted by preludacris
Yeah, we all know how stringent motorcycle safety laws are in the States don't we: USA Motorcycle Helmet LawQuote:
Originally Posted by Illegal
There is about 150 bike models over 250cc that are LAMS aproved.
To suggest these bikes are not learner friendly is total bullshit.
thats true.. thats why LAMS is power to weight ratio... e.g Ducati monster 600 is LAMS bike... I though nearly all states gone to LAMS scheme... I kno ViC used to have the 250 cc rule.. and I tell yah aprillia 250 is not too learner friendly.. hahahha....
wats a good honda learner bike with a bit of kick but doesnt sound like a weed wacker
would a 1991 cbr250 do it?
have u been reading the last few pages??
how much have u been offered?
na i skipped thro, read the first half dozen and then skipped forward, too much crap figured ide see if anyone could just say, yes/no
guys askin 4k for it. have to get my liscense first tho
any links?
is it a grey import?
how many kmz?
the 08 aprilia 125 is ****ing hawt :D but 10k lol for a whipper snipper
Only the restricted Monster is LAMS legal. There's a doohicky on the TB which prevents you using the full throttle range.Quote:
Originally Posted by GReY_CVC
Do yourself and everyone here a favour and read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
For $4k it had better be in pristine condition and come with RWC.