[cl9] extractors question

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Originally Posted by CL9R

I am using feels. just wanna know if it good compair to others like toda :p
does other header like toda have that air sucking sound when reving? :confused:

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I would say the attention to detail and build quality of the maxim works header is better than the toda. When you see them both off the car the toda looks like a piece of machinery but the maxim works looks likes a piece of art (just my opionion).

Performance wise, they're probably very close, but have never seen a back to back dyno. I do know that the maxim works are designed with perfectly equal length runners. Each Y joins is also hand machined at the join to give a knife-edge like merge between the runners. The reccomended retail price for the maxim works a few years ago was 147,000 yen. So today (with the current exchange rate) both the Toda and Maxim works will easily set you back more than $3k shipped. For that money, neither of them are worth the money in my opinion... Hopefully the Australian dollar can recover.

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The maxim works, the primary runners are 45mm, secondary are 48.6mm then come together at a 54mm collector. The toda has 45mm primaries and 50mm secondary runners. So the piping size is very similar, but they have a very different design so you'd need to do a back to back dyno to gauge any performance differences.

toda has the hissing sound aswell from what I've heard. It's from the flex pipes and is particularly loud on the maxim works beause there are 4 flex pipes. Personlaly I think the hiss sounds good. At high rpm it's like a swarm of angry bees

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Originally Posted by kitbkk

yep! The gain was significant! How can I put it.. Even though I have heavy rims about 12kg per corner, Toda header alone can improve all rev range heaps over top speed or dc sports. The gain from toda header alone, IMO, is even greater than top speed + high flow cat.. definitely worth how much you spent:thumbsup:
hissing wise, if your using top speed header, the hissing from toda is even louder...but in more aggressive way. you do not notice it at idle but WOT.

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thanks kit. Man i dont mind spending the money for the toda at all. My only concern is the sound! IMO, the euro is a luxury-ish car so should be stealthy :p...if there wasnt that excessive hissing, i would be all over toda for sure!!

btw, i thought toda came with the cat as well?

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Originally Posted by Chris_F

I would say the attention to detail and build quality of the maxim works header is better than the toda. When you see them both off the car the toda looks like a piece of machinery but the maxim works looks likes a piece of art (just my opionion).

Performance wise, they're probably very close, but have never seen a back to back dyno. I do know that the maxim works are designed with perfectly equal length runners. Each Y joins is also hand machined at the join to give a knife-edge like merge between the runners. The reccomended retail price for the maxim works a few years ago was 147,000 yen. So today (with the current exchange rate) both the Toda and Maxim works will easily set you back more than $3k shipped. For that money, neither of them are worth the money in my opinion... Hopefully the Australian dollar can recover.

For reference:

The maxim works, the primary runners are 45mm, secondary are 48.6mm then come together at a 54mm collector. The toda has 45mm primaries and 50mm secondary runners. So the piping size is very similar, but they have a very different design so you'd need to do a back to back dyno to gauge any performance differences.

toda has the hissing sound aswell from what I've heard. It's from the flex pipes and is particularly loud on the maxim works beause there are 4 flex pipes. Personlaly I think the hiss sounds good. At high rpm it's like a swarm of angry bees

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OMG!!!did u go to school for dat??? thankx man...lol:cool:

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Originally Posted by snYpz

thanks kit. Man i dont mind spending the money for the toda at all. My only concern is the sound! IMO, the euro is a luxury-ish car so should be stealthy :p...if there wasnt that excessive hissing, i would be all over toda for sure!!

btw, i thought toda came with the cat as well?

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It comes with a testpipe :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by CL9R

I am using feels. just wanna know if it good compair to others like toda :p
does other header like toda have that air sucking sound when reving? :confused:

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You have the feels header but can't decide if its any good? :confused:

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Originally Posted by power_of_dreams

You have the feels header but can't decide if its any good? :confused:

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nah... i can...u didn't get wat im saying...i am asking ppl how is it compairing with toda and 5 zigen headers.....lol:cool: like i said later the gain on feel's is very good

yer since its the same as maxim (what ive got),i can also say its got good gains =D

^any hissing with the maxims? Heard that it sounds quieter than the toda headers, is that correct?

ive got TODA, definate hissing... but its sexy hissing... hissing like a snake when its warning you to stay back or itll bite! :thumbsup:

hahhahha lol...glad to hear your car is almost done mate! :thumbsup:

Im looking for options to gain more performance, just cant get enough of it (probably cos i got auto as well hehehe) :( lol
Got the cheap topspeed headers, noticeable response, but by the sounds of people who have switched to toda, it appears it almost difference between night and day! Thats got me thinking...

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Originally Posted by snYpz

^any hissing with the maxims? Heard that it sounds quieter than the toda headers, is that correct?

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yes. there r hissing. and i think it's even louder than toda i heard:cool:

snypz... if ya want u can test out the difference with my car and urs ;)
pretty much the same except the noise level... lol

i still hear the hissing even with all the rattle and loud exhaust
also if u drive with less throttle theres no hissing, its only there when u give it about 50% throttle or more.

I have Comptech headers,NO hissing at all.

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Originally Posted by tony1234

I have Comptech headers,NO hissing at all.

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lucky, i have hissing with my dcsports but depending on how much throttle i put on, sometimes i mistake it for my intake hiss.
i am looking at changing to 5zigen headers but i need the dough.

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Originally Posted by Crapdaz

lucky, i have hissing with my dcsports but depending on how much throttle i put on, sometimes i mistake it for my intake hiss.
i am looking at changing to 5zigen headers but i need the dough.

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Yeah, mine don't hiss at all,from idle to redline.:thumbsup:I paid $500 for mine 2nd.hand.with the shit exchange rate the Comtech are over $1K.:eek:.toda are apparently close to 3K.:eek::eek:

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Originally Posted by Crapdaz

lucky, i have hissing with my dcsports but depending on how much throttle i put on, sometimes i mistake it for my intake hiss.
i am looking at changing to 5zigen headers but i need the dough.

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Didn't you change the flexpipe too? I changed mine and no more hissing. The Comptech header is probably the best street sports header out there. The next step up are the racing headers (Toda, 5zigen, J's Racing) and crazily expensive JDM headers (Maxim/Feel's)

I was checking out a UK based online shop last night. Maxim works headers were going for over 1900 pounds... !!

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Didn't you change the flexpipe too? I changed mine and no more hissing. The Comptech header is probably the best street sports header out there. The next step up are the racing headers (Toda, 5zigen, J's Racing) and crazily expensive JDM headers (Maxim/Feel's)

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nah i was too lazy to look for someone to do it.
and i need to save up for clutch and f/w. :(

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Originally Posted by Crapdaz

nah i was too lazy to look for someone to do it.
and i need to save up for clutch and f/w. :(

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Get da ORC 309 single plate....just got it done last week....f**king awsome:D also makes gears more easier to find. it just sucking into it.

yeh i know mate, that is the one i was going to get.

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Originally Posted by tsx604

My local shop has installed 2 J's CL7 header on 2 CL9s. It is not really a direct fit and it took them 3 hrs banging on the subframe to get it fit. Just a heads up for what you should be expecting to install the J's header on a CL9. Good luck and please post a review on it.

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I hope this isn't the case. I haven't heard or read anything until now about the J's Header requiring the subframe banging to make it fit. Then again I haven't found anyone with the J's Header fitted onto the CL9 to share their experience where installation was concerned.

I guess I'll have to wait and see when I get it fitted within the next few weeks.

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Originally Posted by docker

I hope this isn't the case. I haven't heard or read anything until now about the J's Header requiring the subframe banging to make it fit. Then again I haven't found anyone with the J's Header fitted onto the CL9 to share their experience where installation was concerned.

I guess I'll have to wait and see when I get it fitted within the next few weeks.

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Yes, I am pretty sure about the subframe issue with the J's header installed on a CL9. AJ Racing tunes my CL9. I've visited the store owner and AJ Racing is the North America J's Racing Distributor here. He installed the first J's Racing CL7 header on a customer's CL9 and he lost money on it because he did not know about the subframe issue and costed his shop ~3hrs labour trying to modify the subframe to fit the header. The store owner is Ben, you can call him at 1 604 279 0329 to confirm the fitment of the J's Racing CL7 header. I was initially decided on the J's Racing CL7 because it is the less expensive CL7 header option.

Keep me posted and I'm pretty sure that this is the only issue with the J's header. Other than that, I like the header alot.

anyone know the website for maximworks/m-bit? Just want to browse around their products.

how can you tell if your flexi pipe is broken guys?

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Originally Posted by johnprocter

how can you tell if your flexi pipe is broken guys?

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From what I've heard, there's a loud hissing sound and a loss of power

Alright im not very Honda savvy, I blame it on my friends for getting me interested. But can somebody please clear this up for me.

CL7=K20A Motor
CL9=K24A Motor

You can get TODA Extractors new for $2350AUS delivered for the K20A motors, or used ones for $1700 AUS delivered.

Where is everybody getting 3k from?

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Originally Posted by integral90

From what I've heard, there's a loud hissing sound and a loss of power

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Got my flexpipe fixed on my Top speed this week. Got more power now, no doubt, gained in low-mid RPM. About 40% quieter too and minimized the hissing.

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Originally Posted by JiN_MaN

Alright im not very Honda savvy, I blame it on my friends for getting me interested. But can somebody please clear this up for me.

CL7=K20A Motor
CL9=K24A Motor

You can get TODA Extractors new for $2350AUS delivered for the K20A motors, or used ones for $1700 AUS delivered.

Where is everybody getting 3k from?

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Actually it's a little under $2200 delivered @ today's exchange rate for CL9,
& just under $1850 for DC5/EP3
That could get worse at any time though.

yeh, can't believe interest rates have dropped like 2%. OMFG~!!!!!

TODA headers *droolz*

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Originally Posted by TODA AU

Actually it's a little under $2200 delivered @ today's exchange rate for CL9,
& just under $1850 for DC5/EP3
That could get worse at any time though.

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is that including the cat? for the euro.

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Originally Posted by BusterSonic12

is that including the cat? for the euro.

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that should only include the test pipe that comes with the headers. correct me if i am wrong.

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Originally Posted by Crapdaz

that should only include the test pipe that comes with the headers. correct me if i am wrong.

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Correct....

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Originally Posted by Crapdaz

yeh, can't believe interest rates have dropped like 2%. OMFG~!!!!!

TODA headers *droolz*

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LOL I have J's Racing on the way :wave:

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...1032009222.jpg

Would these fit a CL9 euro?

They're 5zigen headers for the CL9. I dont know much about headers, but i thought headers for euro had to be 4-2-1.

Anyone had experience with these and would they directly bolt on? I've got a buddyclub exhaust as well

That 5zigen header is assembled wrong. It should be in the opposite side LOL.
That one is also 4-2-1. With 5zigen, from the photo, it doesnt have a hanger LOL.
But it will be easier with the o2 bung coz you can just twist that up side down in the 2-1 part so the bung will be on the passenger side (cl7 has o2 bung on driver side). The collector looks big! I think this race header should produce more KW than Toda I dunno.It has no flex pipe either hehe.

looks like it's for a b series or it is part together wrongly lol should look like a S instead of a C shape if u get what i mean.

sounds confusing.. i'm quite noob when it comes to all this..

all i basically need to know is 3 things as i'm trying to weigh up whether they're worth purchasing..

is what are the missing parts.. ?
how much would these parts cost and where from.. ?
is this direct bolt on or easy to install?

If it's the exact one that you've got in the pics, it's in the wrong 'configuration' to bolt onto ur CL9. Coz the K24A exhaust manifold comes out the rear end of the engine if that makes sense ~

So I guess in short, from pure logic and observation, it probably won't bolt on.

yeah.. the guy selling it was saying how it's put in the opposite way.. i'm so i'm assuming you could put it in the correct way... or issit welded like that ?

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Originally Posted by doosra

yeah.. the guy selling it was saying how it's put in the opposite way.. i'm so i'm assuming you could put it in the correct way... or issit welded like that ?

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No, that is the wrong header. You cannot modify that to fit the Euro. You need this one: http://www.5zigenusa.com/english/pro...e_headers.html

brmm brmm thats lookslike Bseries to me :D

cool thanks guys..

out of interest....if their cl9 headers and they dont fit the cl9... why do they call it that.. ?

theyre just selling the wrong product i guess. where are you look at them headers?

if the slip joins are anything like the tri y design it leaks air and sounds shit. even with it all sealed up.. can never seal them up perfectly.

where did you get that pic form johnny?

it is cl9 one...
the seller assembled it in an opposite way.
here is the link http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111815
Im not sure how you will mount it on to the cat with the donut gasget though as it doesnt have a flange for the cat.
Use your imagination as if the header is assembled in the right way and compare to the link Aaron gave. hehehe

Doosra, dats a pretty good price at the moment..i would get it if i was you.

yeah u could flip the joint the other way..
lol

but yeah

hahha

Ahh, if that's the case, then I stand corrected.

cool.. thanks guys.. so it looks like it will fit.. i think there's some missing parts that's all.. do you think an exhaust shop will be able to manage to put this on?

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Originally Posted by doosra

cool.. thanks guys.. so it looks like it will fit.. i think there's some missing parts that's all.. do you think an exhaust shop will be able to manage to put this on?

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You will need to get a tube with flange, springs to hold them together and also extend your primary O2 sensor wire.

you probably would need to get a flange welded on.. and maybe one of them donut gaskets.. and possibly a flex pipe incase its short or the cat that ur gonna run.

walk in the park for exhaust shops i reckon.

that's too much effort for a noob like me.. hahahhah i'll think about it.. :) thanx for your help guys

but nothings direct bolt on esp if your mix and matching parts.

understandable if its aftermarket cat back mixed in with oem cat n shit..

but yeah

5 zigen headers oem cat the onto a buddy club exhaust.. might need abit of a chop and weld here and there..

but yeah

you suck chooky

hahahah.. eat a d!ck du.. lol..
yeah.. sounds like a handful.. and i'd rather not buy something with the risk that it's gonna cause too much headaches..

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Originally Posted by dupac->

you probably would need to get a flange welded on.. and maybe one of them donut gaskets.. and possibly a flex pipe incase its short or the cat that ur gonna run.

walk in the park for exhaust shops i reckon.

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You need a flange welded onto a tube, which then fits to the end of the 5zigen header and is secured by 2 springs. You don't weld the flange straight onto the header.

oh ok..
springs held onto what ? the cat?

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Originally Posted by dupac->

oh ok..
springs held onto what ? the cat?

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5zigen headers are 2 part headers which are held together with spring hooks. With the flange that meets the cat, that makes it a 3 part header.

Also I'm not sure if you'd need to replace your donut ring gasket. The stock cat has one on it, but I'm not sure if it is the right design to run a flex pipe-less header on.

Sounds all too hard to me.Look for another header.

Toda is your key! Maximworks can also help you!

With Toda and Maxim, you have to modify the length of the cat and change the flange, or get a highflow or JDM cat.

^that's right... you need a JDM euro-R sized cat to fit those headers. I think maximworks now sells a CL9 header (with a 5th flex pipe! lol) which will probably be the correct size for the stock cat.

Interesting fact: the JDM euro-R cat has a 300cell metal substrate.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

With Toda and Maxim, you have to modify the length of the cat and change the flange, or get a highflow or JDM cat.

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TODA now sell a CL9 header... will fit stock cat if needed :)

speak to Adrian if your interested, i think theyre around the $2300 mark atm :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by EUR003act

TODA now sell a CL9 header... will fit stock cat if needed :)

speak to Adrian if your interested, i think theyre around the $2300 mark atm :thumbsup:

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*Looks into emtpy wallet* Why does quality cost to much :(

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Originally Posted by dtngo

*Looks into emtpy wallet* Why does quality cost to much :(

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Same as why you would pay more for an Accord Euro over an equivalent one from Geely Cars.

Toda spends a lot of dosh dosh and time in their R & D to ensure that it works and lasts..:wave:

Does anyone know where you can get toda headers in Hk? going back soon so might pick one up if the price is right :D

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Originally Posted by racerwannabe

Does anyone know where you can get toda headers in Hk? going back soon so might pick one up if the price is right :D

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I want to know too :thumbdwn:
Toda headers is the only I can't find at HK :(

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Originally Posted by akina

I want to know too :thumbdwn:
Toda headers is the only I can't find at HK :(

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That's because they are made to order I reckon. You won't find them sitting on the shelves.

what are the alternatives? i saw weaponR headers on super GT but not sure if its direct bolt on and as good as the toda one?

Try Topracing in Mk or kowloon bay!

The last 2 times i went back to Hk, they had the toda header sitting on the glass display for low $7000, brand new. But yen got up so i dont know if the price change but generally it is still cheaper.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

That's because they are made to order I reckon. You won't find them sitting on the shelves.

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all TODA headers are hand made... up until this year, they were all made by one guy!

excellent quality! :thumbsup:

do exhaust places make custom headers.. if so, has anyone had experience with them or can recommend? also, what price would you be looking at

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Originally Posted by doosra

do exhaust places make custom headers.. if so, has anyone had experience with them or can recommend? also, what price would you be looking at

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If you take in a Toda or Comptech header they'd probably copy them for you.That'd be your best option.

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Originally Posted by doosra

do exhaust places make custom headers.. if so, has anyone had experience with them or can recommend? also, what price would you be looking at

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Without flow testing, custom headers are not the best choice. You're better off with a copy than a custom one.

Between these three, which one better Toda, 5zigen, J's Racing?

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Originally Posted by free2d

Between these three, which one better Toda, 5zigen, J's Racing?

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I'd pick Toda.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Without flow testing, custom headers are not the best choice. You're better off with a copy than a custom one.

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A copy ey... How much do they typically cost to fabricate?

Anyone got a set of Toda headers up for lending? :p

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Originally Posted by euromandeluxe

A copy ey... How much do they typically cost to fabricate?

Anyone got a set of Toda headers up for lending? :p

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I don't advocate copying a company's header. They have put a lot of money into the research and testing of that product.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

I don't advocate copying a company's header. They have put a lot of money into the research and testing of that product.

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Fair enough.

Props to the lightning fast reply :)

I'm thinking maybe I should pick up a DC sports set. But maybe I'll regret not getting something better. But something better costs almost 3k.
Sigh at the quality vs cost relationship.
2.5k for Toda - around 10kwatw. No idea what the torque curve looks like - the pic looks like it was removed from the 'toda headers to CL9 thread'.

500ish for DC sports - about 6kWatw. Torque curve is raised by a bit in most parts. but, there's quality issues.

I'd bet my left nut the Toda's torque curve is epically better than the DC sports. Anyone have a dyno chart for before/after with the toda?

Same situation i was in.
If you've got the money then go for TODA, else if you just want to fill in some of the stock euro gaps then Dcsports is enough to do the job.

would these direct bolt onto a cl9 euro.. ?

http://www.heeltoeauto.com/product.php?productid=63078

it's 1200 delivered.. sounds cheap..